Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Sebastian S.]

Good point, supercharger and most likely any fast chargers do come in 
multiples. As in one fuel station with many pumps. 

I would take the same approach, map the 'station' first. For Tesla Supercharger 
you could indicate the model which in turn defines the max charging current etc.

On 26 December 2022 10:22:22 am AEDT, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>For multiple chargers you could use a 'named' area rather than individual
>chargers. The individual chargers could also be points with details on
>output etc, especially if they differ
>
>Cheers - Phil
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ian Steer  
>Sent: Monday, 26 December 2022 9:56 AM
>To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
>I also agree - but if there are several superchargers at the same location,
>do they all get the same name? (probably)
>
>Ian
>
>On 16 December 2022 1:33:21 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey
> wrote:
>>I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger 
>>Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask 
>>someone to meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's 
>>it's
>name.
>>Just like we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since that's what the 
>>receipt would label it as, and what you might tell someone when 
>>referring to the store. It doesn't stop you also tagging brand= and
>branch=.
>>
>
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[stevea]

I mean, people use amenity=charging_station [1], which has a name=* tag.  And I 
think Europe imported a bunch of these over a decade ago.  Maybe it's ME who is 
behind the curve here?  Dian and/or Phil linked this / raised this already.

Regarding what Warin says, OSM just MIGHT be either "a" or "the" preferred 
method of navigating to the charger.  OSM might even aspire to be "real time" 
in the regard, although that seems like an "under evolution now" process.  (And 
some EVs already do this on their on-screen navigation).  It's all how 
dedicated we want to be, starting with capturing the present inventory, 
comparing it to what is known to exist, and "gardening" that into a smooth, 
accurate future.  OSM does this with roads and some POIs already, EV chargers 
are another class of POI.  Getting tagging syntax on these to "established, 
agreed-upon, wide-area standards" is happening.  And will until it settles 
down.  That seems in our near-term or maybe medium-term future, as there is a 
lot of growth and change here.

I think a node tagged amenity=charging_station is a "yes, now, today..." and 
maybe you could agree to add fee=yes (as I don't see a lot of free ones, though 
who knows, with widespread fusion in 50 years, we could dream).  But yeah, 
tagging actual pricing would be like chasing pump data is today at a site like 
gas buddy dot com, with all its wackiness and sometimes / not always 
trustworthiness / updated status.  OSM might get better at "real-time" in our 
future, but for now, I think focusing on "every single one of them on Earth, 
and with a solid syntax wiki-documented so most any mapper could nail one up 
the day its ribbon is cut" is good for us now.  Node, plus good, sensible tags 
(including name=*) and technical stuff like sockets and voltages / amps and the 
operator=* and maybe owner=* tags, then getting into network=* stuff like 
ownership and standardization happens, all while more are built and more vanish 
or are behind private gates or "buses only" or "city corporate vehicles o
 nly" and they might be mapped, but dimmed in some renderers (like restricted 
parking lots are in Carto), because they are non-public.  All of this is 
emerging, all of this will continue to emerge.

I haven't drilled down too much into it, but I recall reading on some wiki 
somewhere (long ago?) that even amenity=fuel could "reveal" one of these (an EV 
charger), even though the "fuel" isn't liquid or gaseous but electrons via a 
socket that might even fit YOUR EV.  So, wider-area taginfo and OT queries 
might continue with comparison against "known to exist" databases / inventories 
of these.  And harmonization of tagging continues.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[stevea]

There is also a "site relation" [1] (a relation with type=site), useful as a 
grouping at a single site.  I'm not saying this is how EV things have been 
done, are or will be, rather something to consider as a "might be."  These are 
relations so it's good for them to be orderly and structured, and "at a single 
site" pretty much goes without saying.

As EVs and their charging stations evolve, grow, move, merge and multiply 
(along with smart parking lots with solar roofs, smarter grids 
infrastructure...), I think there remains a good deal yet of fluidity in this 
sort of tagging.  We do have regional trends, it appears.  We do have fluidity 
in tagging, it appears.  OSM is strong enough and smart enough and fast enough 
to "flow with this" in real time.  Getting big, hugging arms around it all I 
think will take some time, and will smear a bit as it does, though we are 
getting there.

In California, these sorts of things are popping up a LOT, like at "truck stop 
parking areas" and "state Department of Transportation Rest Stops," grocery 
store parking lots and municipal or "corporate yard" lots / shops.  Public 
parking and private parking alike; supply and demand.  Some areas have "smart 
parking" at "just drove into this zone off the freeway and a right turn ahead 
means they have over 500 available parking spaces."  On digital signs that 
update through the neighborhood's main drag, live / in real time.  Entire bus 
networks using electric vehicles.  I often think we choke on our current 
transportation systems, (which often feel last-century), though, slowly and 
surely, it does seem to be getting greener and smarter around here.  There's 
even a nascent hydrogen network.  And in my backyard, "we have ignition" (as in 
net-positive fusion).

>From cold and rainy winter California, Happy Holidays, Happy '23, mates.

that Yank Stevea (in our/OSM's wiki, though not usually or maybe even ever in 
Australia/ wiki)

[1] https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Relation:site 



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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Dian Ågesson]

Hey Andrew,

I'm not sure I agree with you that naming a supercharger is equivalent 
to the naming of a supermarket branch.


To me, the supercharger seems more akin to a petrol pump, and while you 
might map individual pumps only the service station would be named.


Phil raises a good point with regards to locations with more than one 
charger: it's not really the pump itself that has a name, but the 
facility that is offering the charging services. The wiki seems to 
follow this line of thinking (but of course, it's not perfect) 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station. For 
consideration, I'd also consider the equivalence to how device charging 
stations or vending machines are mapped. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddevice_charging_station 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine


Dian

On 2022-12-16 13:33, Andrew Harvey wrote:

I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask 
someone to meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's 
it's name. Just like we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since 
that's what the receipt would label it as, and what you might tell 
someone when referring to the store. It doesn't stop you also tagging 
brand= and branch=.


On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 00:02, Sebastian S.  wrote:

Hi Phil,

I think you are getting to the real question...

So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not 
give any REF or Name. It simply states the address.
The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW' in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid 
using ame here).


For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I 
want to see the full token to easily distinguish between several 
chargers. I also would be happy to see the token on a rendered map.


Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care.

I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug 
, access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed 
to dream right?


So back to the real question. Is the argument that
' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be 
used as a single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a 
NAME tag and instead a REF tag?


Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the 
information from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great 
idea but unrealistic see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' 
example where the city=Tuggerah.


I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference.

Cheers Seb

On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt 
 wrote:


Hi Sebastian,

I suppose for me it's a question of should OSM hold a name which can be 
made from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging 
wikis?


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name

Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other 
networks? This usually goes in the ref key.


I suspect many of these are 'named' simply so they get a label in the 
carto map without people realising that the operator and ref are used 
for labelling charging stations in that map instance.


Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.

Some interesting 'name' insights in this post as well

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565

Cheers - Phil

From: Sebastian S. 
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Phil Wyatt ; 
'Warin' <61sundow...@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

Hello all,

As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.

I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. 
Tesla has names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla 
Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, 
NSW'. For the latter the name is not the same as the address which is 
one of my key reasons to have the name tag, full length.


Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high 
current or DC charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly 
because the are or will be key stopover points that people will 
navigate to.


But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why 
is ' Woolworths Dee Why '


Seb

On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt  
wrote:


Thanks Warin,

Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually 
descriptions or operators/networks and locations


https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N

Cheers - Phil

From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:

My thoughts:

I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say 

Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Phil Wyatt]

For multiple chargers you could use a 'named' area rather than individual
chargers. The individual chargers could also be points with details on
output etc, especially if they differ

Cheers - Phil

-Original Message-
From: Ian Steer  
Sent: Monday, 26 December 2022 9:56 AM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

I also agree - but if there are several superchargers at the same location,
do they all get the same name? (probably)

Ian

On 16 December 2022 1:33:21 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey
 wrote:
>I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger 
>Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask 
>someone to meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's 
>it's
name.
>Just like we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since that's what the 
>receipt would label it as, and what you might tell someone when 
>referring to the store. It doesn't stop you also tagging brand= and
branch=.
>


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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Maybe just name them as Tesla Charger at this Place 1, 2, 3 & so on?

Thanks

Graeme


On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 at 09:00, Ian Steer  wrote:

> I also agree - but if there are several superchargers at the same location,
> do they all get the same name? (probably)
>
> Ian
>
> On 16 December 2022 1:33:21 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey
>  wrote:
> >I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger
> >Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask
> >someone to meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's it's
> name.
> >Just like we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since that's what the
> >receipt would label it as, and what you might tell someone when
> >referring to the store. It doesn't stop you also tagging brand= and
> branch=.
> >
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Ian Steer]

I also agree - but if there are several superchargers at the same location,
do they all get the same name? (probably)

Ian

On 16 December 2022 1:33:21 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey
 wrote:
>I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger 
>Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask 
>someone to meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's it's
name.
>Just like we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since that's what the 
>receipt would label it as, and what you might tell someone when 
>referring to the store. It doesn't stop you also tagging brand= and
branch=.
>


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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Sebastian S.]

I agree with you here. In my view OSM aim should be to have the charger mapped 
with a 'name' and/or reference so other data consumers can find and relink with 
additional information.

On 16 December 2022 6:55:53 pm AEDT, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>On 16/12/22 09:54, Phil Wyatt wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks folks,
>> 
>>  a consumer of EV chargers is unlikely to be using OSM as their primary 
>> source for charging information. Its more likely to be an app or in car 
>> service.
>
>
>I believe the apps also give information on 'out of service' chargers ...
>
>With a bit more effort they could also tell if any are vacant/available.. but 
>that does not look to be the case as yet.
>
>Possibly the apps give connection method (plug type/s) and charging rate (both 
>$ and kWh)
>
>
>OSM might still be a preferred method of navigating to the charger, just not 
>the best method of getting real time charger information.
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Sebastian S.]

Yes indeed, charging cost is something that is already in flux give the general 
rise of energy cost and it is going to hopefully be showing cost benefits when 
we charge during the day when the sun is high. 

I agree that this is an attribute that is better left off since it will likely 
not age well.

On 16 December 2022 10:19:27 am AEDT, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
 wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 08:58, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> There are some well attributed chargers out there -
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7814409569/
>>
>
>I'd question having the actual $ cost listed, rather than just fee=yes?
>
>We tag servo's as having 91, 98 & diesel, but we don't attempt to say that
>diesel is $2.29 / l as the prices are constantly changing.
>
>Wouldn't the electricity cost via the charger also change on a regular
>basis?
>
>Thanks
>
>Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Sebastian S.]

Hi Andrew,
I agree with this.

On 16 December 2022 1:33:21 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey  
wrote:
>I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger
>Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask someone
>to meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's it's name.
>Just like we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since that's what the
>receipt would label it as, and what you might tell someone when
>referring to the store. It doesn't stop you also tagging brand= and branch=.
>
>On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 00:02, Sebastian S.  wrote:
>
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> I think you are getting to the real question...
>>
>> So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not give
>> any REF or Name. It simply states the address.
>> The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene,
>> NSW' in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid using ame here).
>>
>> For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I want
>> to see the full token to easily distinguish between several chargers. I
>> also would be happy to see the token on a rendered map.
>>
>> Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care.
>>
>> I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug ,
>> access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed to
>> dream right?
>>
>> So back to the real question. Is the argument that
>> ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be used
>> as a single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a NAME tag
>> and instead a REF tag?
>>
>> Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the
>> information from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great idea
>> but unrealistic see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' example
>> where the city=Tuggerah.
>>
>> I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference.
>>
>> Cheers Seb
>>
>> On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Sebastian,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be
>>> made from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other
>>> networks? This usually goes in the ref key.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the
>>> carto map without people realising that the operator and ref are used for
>>> labelling charging stations in that map instance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers – Phil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Sebastian S. 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
>>> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Phil Wyatt ;
>>> 'Warin' <61sundow...@gmail.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.
>>>
>>> I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value.
>>> Tesla has names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla
>>> Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'.
>>> For the latter the name is not the same as the address which is one of my
>>> key reasons to have the name tag, full length.
>>>
>>> Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current
>>> or DC charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the
>>> are or will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.
>>>
>>> But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is
>>> ' Woolworths Dee Why '
>>>
>>> Seb
>>>
>>> On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Warin,
>>>
&

Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Warin]

On 16/12/22 09:54, Phil Wyatt wrote:


Thanks folks,

 a consumer of EV chargers is unlikely to be using OSM as their 
primary source for charging information. Its more likely to be an app 
or in car service.



I believe the apps also give information on 'out of service' chargers ...

With a bit more effort they could also tell if any are 
vacant/available.. but that does not look to be the case as yet.


Possibly the apps give connection method (plug type/s) and charging rate 
(both $ and kWh)



OSM might still be a preferred method of navigating to the charger, just 
not the best method of getting real time charger information.
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Andrew,

 

I think that was the general idea behind this 
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/pull/4985

 

Leave the name there and HOPE that folks add the extra details but in reality 
most folks didn’t (in Oz). Problem is, it is only implemented on selected EV 
charging_point entries so the consistency is the issue for me. The name could 
be used as an ‘advertising space’ for either a brand, operator or network so 
which should we consistently try to apply. I suspect as these roll out on a 
wider basis folks may wish to see their network in the name (Ie Tesla, Evie, 
NRMA, Chargefox, NextCharge) as they use these apps to discover sites, however 
the operators (like small businesses) might prefer their name up in lights.

 

I have edited a lot of the site names but all the Tesla ones will likely 
reappear due to the ID editor validation. I would like to ensure there is a 
consistent approach to all if possible.

 

Also some of the Tesla  unique names in their systems are somewhat spurious

 

https://www.tesla.com/en_au/findus?v=2 
<https://www.tesla.com/en_au/findus?v=2=-41.41258012536085%2C150.17672076757816%2C-43.04954513167433%2C145.8563472324219=9=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty=dc75696>
 
=-41.41258012536085%2C150.17672076757816%2C-43.04954513167433%2C145.8563472324219=9=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty=dc75696

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Andrew Harvey  
Sent: Friday, 16 December 2022 1:33 PM
To: Sebastian S. 
Cc: Phil Wyatt ; talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Warin 
<61sundow...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask someone to 
meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's it's name. Just like 
we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since that's what the receipt would 
label it as, and what you might tell someone when referring to the store. It 
doesn't stop you also tagging brand= and branch=.

 

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 00:02, Sebastian S. mailto:mapp...@consebt.de> > wrote:

Hi Phil,

I think you are getting to the real question...

So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not give any 
REF or Name. It simply states the address.
The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' 
in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid using ame here).

For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I want to 
see the full token to easily distinguish between several chargers. I also would 
be happy to see the token on a rendered map.

Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care.

I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug , 
access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed to dream 
right?

So back to the real question. Is the argument that 
' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be used as a 
single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a NAME tag and 
instead a REF tag?

Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the information 
from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great idea but unrealistic 
see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' example where the city=Tuggerah.

I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference.

Cheers Seb

On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Sebastian,

 

I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made 
from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?

 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name

 

Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other networks? 
This usually goes in the ref key.

 

I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto map 
without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling 
charging stations in that map instance. 

 

Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.

 

Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565

 

Cheers – Phil

 

From: Sebastian S. mailto:mapp...@consebt.de> > 
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> ; Phil Wyatt 
mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> >; 'Warin' 
<61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

Hello all,

As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.

I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has 
names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene,

Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 08:58, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

>
>
> There are some well attributed chargers out there -
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7814409569/
>

I'd question having the actual $ cost listed, rather than just fee=yes?

We tag servo's as having 91, 98 & diesel, but we don't attempt to say that
diesel is $2.29 / l as the prices are constantly changing.

Wouldn't the electricity cost via the charger also change on a regular
basis?

Thanks

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[Phil Wyatt]

Thanks folks,

 

For me its also about the name suggestion index adding a default name to a 
limited set of chargers that is not unique. In some cases the ‘name’ it adds is 
the same as the operator and network which just seems superfluous. Below are 
some links to the issue. What I am looking for is consistency of application.

 

https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/pull/4985

https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/da630160e174cbe7682357cef7c91d6a6923d0be/data/brands/amenity/charging_station.json

 

As for searching, that’s up to the individual app designer or search engine on 
how they interpret the attributes that are in OSM (if they use that as a data 
source)

 

Personally, I think the ref field is where the unique reference for the 
operator/brand should be.

 

I think that much of the case for a ‘name’ is so it gets a label on the carto 
map but lets be honest, a consumer of EV chargers is unlikely to be using OSM 
as their primary source for charging information. Its more likely to be an app 
or in car service. Maybe the labelling of chargers via carto needs a revisit if 
this is the case.

 

There are some well attributed chargers out there - 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7814409569/ 

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Sebastian S.  
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 11:56 PM
To: Phil Wyatt ; talk-au@openstreetmap.org; 'Warin' 
<61sundow...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

Hi Phil,

I think you are getting to the real question...

So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not give any 
REF or Name. It simply states the address.
The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' 
in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid using ame here).

For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I want to 
see the full token to easily distinguish between several chargers. I also would 
be happy to see the token on a rendered map.

Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care.

I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug , 
access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed to dream 
right?

So back to the real question. Is the argument that 
' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be used as a 
single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a NAME tag and 
instead a REF tag?

Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the information 
from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great idea but unrealistic 
see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' example where the city=Tuggerah.

I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference.

Cheers Seb

On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Sebastian,

 

I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made 
from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?

 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name

 

Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other networks? 
This usually goes in the ref key.

 

I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto map 
without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling 
charging stations in that map instance. 

 

Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.

 

Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565

 

Cheers – Phil

 

From: Sebastian S. mailto:mapp...@consebt.de> > 
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> ; Phil Wyatt 
mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> >; 'Warin' 
<61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

Hello all,

As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.

I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has 
names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the 
name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the 
name tag, full length.

Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC 
charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or 
will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.

But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' 
Woolworths Dee Why '

Seb

On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Thanks Warin,

 

Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or 
operators/networks and locations

 

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4

Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Sebastian S.]

Hi Phil,

I think you are getting to the real question...

So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not give any 
REF or Name. It simply states the address.
The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' 
in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid using ame here).

For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I want to 
see the full token to easily distinguish between several chargers. I also would 
be happy to see the token on a rendered map.

Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care.

I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug , 
access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed to dream 
right?

So back to the real question. Is the argument that 
' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be used as a 
single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a NAME tag and 
instead a REF tag?

Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the information 
from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great idea but unrealistic 
see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' example where the city=Tuggerah.

I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference.

Cheers Seb

On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>Hi Sebastian,
>
> 
>
>I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made 
>from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?
>
> 
>
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station
>
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name
>
> 
>
>Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other 
>networks? This usually goes in the ref key.
>
> 
>
>I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto 
>map without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling 
>charging stations in that map instance. 
>
> 
>
>Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.
>
> 
>
>Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well
>
> 
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565
>
> 
>
>Cheers – Phil
>
> 
>
>From: Sebastian S.  
>Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
>To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Phil Wyatt ; 'Warin' 
><61sundow...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
> 
>
>Hello all,
>
>As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.
>
>I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has 
>names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger 
>Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the 
>name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the 
>name tag, full length.
>
>Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC 
>charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or 
>will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.
>
>But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' 
>Woolworths Dee Why '
>
>Seb
>
>On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:
>
>Thanks Warin,
>
> 
>
>Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or 
>operators/networks and locations
>
> 
>
>https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N
>
> 
>
>Cheers - Phil
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com> > 
>Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
>To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> 
>Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
> 
>
> 
>
>On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:
>
>My thoughts:
>
> 
>
>I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely 
>does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a 
>name.
>
> 
>
>"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there 
>would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging 
>some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. 
>
>The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way 
>OSM looses no information. 
>
>Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> - Ben.
>
> 
>
>On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:
>
>Hi Folks,
>
> 
>
>Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'.
>
> 
>
>

Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Charles Gregory]

Hi all, I just shared this on the community site so will share here for
completeness:
---
I think it depends on the type of charger. If it’s ABC Service Station or
XYZ Hotel and they have a charger on their site, as an ancillary feature to
their primary business, that they self own and manage, I don’t think it
needs a dedicated name.

If it’s ABC Restaurant and the company who installed/operates the charger
is different, then the name should be included. If it’s a shopping centre
which had many other tenants (all named, of which the charging operator is
another tenant), or just an unnamed car park in a town (where the charging
station is the only named feature), then the charger name is even more
relevant.

The apps for the various charging networks all list a name for each of
their sites, so there is a canonical name which can be used.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:09 PM Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi Sebastian,
>
>
>
> I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be
> made from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?
>
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name
>
>
>
> Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other
> networks? This usually goes in the ref key.
>
>
>
> I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the
> carto map without people realising that the operator and ref are used for
> labelling charging stations in that map instance.
>
>
>
> Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.
>
>
>
> Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well
>
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565
>
>
>
> Cheers – Phil
>
>
>
> *From:* Sebastian S. 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Phil Wyatt ;
> 'Warin' <61sundow...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.
>
> I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla
> has names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla
> Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'.
> For the latter the name is not the same as the address which is one of my
> key reasons to have the name tag, full length.
>
> Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current
> or DC charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the
> are or will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.
>
> But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is
> ' Woolworths Dee Why '
>
> Seb
>
> On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Warin,
>
>
>
> Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions
> or operators/networks and locations
>
>
>
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:
>
> My thoughts:
>
>
>
> I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing
> definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially
> if 50% have a name.
>
>
>
> "Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And
> there would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like
> tagging some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'.
>
> The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that
> way OSM looses no information.
>
> Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*.
>
>
>
>
>
>  - Ben.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some
> 'name'.
>
>
>
> Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc
> (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets
> rendered on the map.
>
>
>
> Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are
> lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the
> correct tags.
>
>
>
> (I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)
>
>
>
> [Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Sebastian,

 

I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made 
from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?

 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name

 

Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other networks? 
This usually goes in the ref key.

 

I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto map 
without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling 
charging stations in that map instance. 

 

Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.

 

Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565

 

Cheers – Phil

 

From: Sebastian S.  
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Phil Wyatt ; 'Warin' 
<61sundow...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

Hello all,

As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.

I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has 
names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the 
name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the 
name tag, full length.

Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC 
charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or 
will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.

But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' 
Woolworths Dee Why '

Seb

On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Thanks Warin,

 

Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or 
operators/networks and locations

 

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

 

On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:

My thoughts:

 

I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely 
does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a 
name.

 

"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there 
would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging some 
petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. 

The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way OSM 
looses no information. 

Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. 

 

 

 - Ben.

 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'.

 

Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc (ie 
Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets rendered 
on the map. 

 

Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are lost 
by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the correct tags.

 

(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)

 

[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)

 

Cheers - Phil

 




 

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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Sebastian S.]

Hello all,

As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.

I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has 
names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the 
name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the 
name tag, full length.

Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC 
charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or 
will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.

But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' 
Woolworths Dee Why '

Seb

On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>Thanks Warin,
>
> 
>
>Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or 
>operators/networks and locations
>
> 
>
>https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N
>
> 
>
>Cheers - Phil
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
>To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
> 
>
> 
>
>On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:
>
>My thoughts:
>
> 
>
>I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely 
>does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a 
>name.
>
> 
>
>"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there 
>would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging 
>some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. 
>
>The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way 
>OSM looses no information. 
>
>Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> - Ben.
>
> 
>
>On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:
>
>Hi Folks,
>
> 
>
>Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'.
>
> 
>
>Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc (ie 
>Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets 
>rendered on the map. 
>
> 
>
>Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are lost 
>by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the correct tags.
>
> 
>
>(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)
>
> 
>
>[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)
>
> 
>
>Cheers - Phil
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Simon Poole]

See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565 while 
amenity=charging_station is not the worst offender, it is still pretty 
bad 
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/main/data/brands/amenity/charging_station.json


Am 15.12.2022 um 04:20 schrieb Phil Wyatt:


Hi Folks,

Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have 
some 'name'.


Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator 
etc (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so 
it gets rendered on the map.


Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details 
are lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to 
the correct tags.


(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)

[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)

Cheers - Phil


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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Phil Wyatt]

Thanks Warin,

 

Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or 
operators/networks and locations

 

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

 

On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:

My thoughts:

 

I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely 
does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a 
name.

 

"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there 
would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging some 
petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. 

The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way OSM 
looses no information. 

Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. 

 

 

 - Ben.

 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'.

 

Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc (ie 
Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets rendered 
on the map. 

 

Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are lost 
by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the correct tags.

 

(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)

 

[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)

 

Cheers - Phil

 








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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Warin]

On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:

My thoughts:

I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing 
definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does, 
especially if 50% have a name.



"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And 
there would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like 
tagging some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'.


The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that 
way OSM looses no information.


Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*.




 - Ben.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

Hi Folks,

Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have
some 'name'.

Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the
operator etc (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc),
I suspect so it gets rendered on the map.

Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no
details are lost by making sure any operator or network details
gets added to the correct tags.

(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)

[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)

Cheers - Phil





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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Ben Kelley]

My thoughts:

I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing
definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially
if 50% have a name.

 - Ben.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some
> 'name'.
>
>
>
> Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc
> (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets
> rendered on the map.
>
>
>
> Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are
> lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the
> correct tags.
>
>
>
> (I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)
>
>
>
> [Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
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[talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Folks,

 

Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some
'name'.

 

Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc
(ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets
rendered on the map. 

 

Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are
lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the
correct tags.

 

(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)

 

[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)

 

Cheers - Phil

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