Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data

[Steve Bennett]

Awesome! I sit with the GIS team, so if you need any information about the
spatial data or any questions, don't hesitate.

We have quite a few identifiers of various types (asset IDs, property IDs
etc), so it may be helpful to import those to facilitate future updates?

Another couple of datasets to look at are the bar/tavern/pub and
cafe/restaurant ones. They're comprehensive lists of every establishment of
those types across the whole municipality, updated on a rolling cycle every
2 years.

Steve

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Daniel O'Connor 
wrote:

> I'll put my hand up for (slowly) importing addresses; have begun sketching
> out a plan in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/
> data.melbourne.vic.gov.au-addresses
>
> Dataset:
> https://data.melbourne.vic.gov.au/Property-Planning/
> Address-Points/a7rp-xtya
>
> Sent email re explicit permission (all datasets), will add to wiki.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Daniel O'Connor <
> daniel.ocon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A good dataset may be address point data, if available. I know we have
>> GNAF, but we've been unable to get the explicit permission needed.
>>
>> Coverage is OK at the moment, so any import would be better as a
>> semi-manual, street by street kind of thing.
>>
>>
>> Public toilets, BBQs, Playgrounds, Park names, etc also spring to mind.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Steve Bennett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>   I'm a long time contirbutor (user:Stevage) but a bit quiet of late.
>>> I'm now working as Senior Open Data Specialist at City of Melbourne (email:
>>> opend...@melbourne.vic.gov.au), and have just got approval for our data
>>> to be used in OpenStreetMap.
>>>
>>> So: If someone would like to email that address and formally request
>>> permission to use current and future open data in OSM, I'd be very happy to
>>> respond in the affirmative.
>>>
>>> Also: is anyone interested in importing any of our data? You can see
>>> most of our public spatial data at maps.melbourne.vic.gov.au (to
>>> actually access it, go to data.melbourne.vic.gov.au). If there is
>>> interesting data on the maps site that's not on the open data portal, we'll
>>> prioritise getting it out.
>>>
>>> Perhaps some of the street furniture datasets (bike hoops, water
>>> fountains etc) would be good starting points?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data

[Daniel O'Connor]

I'll put my hand up for (slowly) importing addresses; have begun sketching
out a plan in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/data.melbourne.vic.gov.au-addresses

Dataset:
https://data.melbourne.vic.gov.au/Property-Planning/Address-Points/a7rp-xtya

Sent email re explicit permission (all datasets), will add to wiki.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Daniel O'Connor 
wrote:

> A good dataset may be address point data, if available. I know we have
> GNAF, but we've been unable to get the explicit permission needed.
>
> Coverage is OK at the moment, so any import would be better as a
> semi-manual, street by street kind of thing.
>
>
> Public toilets, BBQs, Playgrounds, Park names, etc also spring to mind.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Steve Bennett 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>   I'm a long time contirbutor (user:Stevage) but a bit quiet of late. I'm
>> now working as Senior Open Data Specialist at City of Melbourne (email:
>> opend...@melbourne.vic.gov.au), and have just got approval for our data
>> to be used in OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> So: If someone would like to email that address and formally request
>> permission to use current and future open data in OSM, I'd be very happy to
>> respond in the affirmative.
>>
>> Also: is anyone interested in importing any of our data? You can see most
>> of our public spatial data at maps.melbourne.vic.gov.au (to actually
>> access it, go to data.melbourne.vic.gov.au). If there is interesting
>> data on the maps site that's not on the open data portal, we'll prioritise
>> getting it out.
>>
>> Perhaps some of the street furniture datasets (bike hoops, water
>> fountains etc) would be good starting points?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data

[Daniel O'Connor]

A good dataset may be address point data, if available. I know we have
GNAF, but we've been unable to get the explicit permission needed.

Coverage is OK at the moment, so any import would be better as a
semi-manual, street by street kind of thing.


Public toilets, BBQs, Playgrounds, Park names, etc also spring to mind.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Steve Bennett  wrote:

> Hi all,
>   I'm a long time contirbutor (user:Stevage) but a bit quiet of late. I'm
> now working as Senior Open Data Specialist at City of Melbourne (email:
> opend...@melbourne.vic.gov.au), and have just got approval for our data
> to be used in OpenStreetMap.
>
> So: If someone would like to email that address and formally request
> permission to use current and future open data in OSM, I'd be very happy to
> respond in the affirmative.
>
> Also: is anyone interested in importing any of our data? You can see most
> of our public spatial data at maps.melbourne.vic.gov.au (to actually
> access it, go to data.melbourne.vic.gov.au). If there is interesting data
> on the maps site that's not on the open data portal, we'll prioritise
> getting it out.
>
> Perhaps some of the street furniture datasets (bike hoops, water fountains
> etc) would be good starting points?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
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[talk-au] City of Melbourne data

[Steve Bennett]

Hi all,
  I'm a long time contirbutor (user:Stevage) but a bit quiet of late. I'm
now working as Senior Open Data Specialist at City of Melbourne (email:
opend...@melbourne.vic.gov.au), and have just got approval for our data to
be used in OpenStreetMap.

So: If someone would like to email that address and formally request
permission to use current and future open data in OSM, I'd be very happy to
respond in the affirmative.

Also: is anyone interested in importing any of our data? You can see most
of our public spatial data at maps.melbourne.vic.gov.au (to actually access
it, go to data.melbourne.vic.gov.au). If there is interesting data on the
maps site that's not on the open data portal, we'll prioritise getting it
out.

Perhaps some of the street furniture datasets (bike hoops, water fountains
etc) would be good starting points?

Steve
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Nick Hocking]

Regarding the Address data potential import.
The Vic Map data is already available for import and it contains the
address info for all of Victoria. (as well as tons of roads missing from
OSM)

I think this would be the best source of address data to import.
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Simon Poole]

Am 20.08.2014 11:38, schrieb Leon Kernan:

> 
> Yes, this would be great.  For people who've never seen it, check out
> Geelong on http://demo.f4map.com and you can see how big building data
> is going to be.
> 
> I believe some building imports are going to be essential at the start. 
> It's just too tedious for anyone to do large areas, even badly. 
> I'm working though placing basic building areas in Frankston, Seaford
> and across parts of Northern Tasmania and it's just a massive task.
> That's not even going into a lot of detail or adding data like height
> like the Geelong data.
> 
> My hope is that by placing the basic areas down, people might find it a
> little easier to add details to them later on.


This is slightly off topic: but there is no evidence at all that imports
make things better. What is true is that coverage initially (after the
import) tends to be good, it then typically rapidly decays because there
are no mappers to actually maintain the data (and that has shown itself
many times from a small to a large scale). While it might be tedious,
actually doing the work is the thing that builds strong communities.

The above doesn't mean that you shouldn't do the import(s), but you
should probably not expect too much in the way of kick starting anything.

Simon



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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Leon Kernan]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Daniel O'Connor 
wrote:

> If they have the data, building footprints are also pretty neat.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geelong_Building_Import is one I did a
> few months ago - some of the geospatial team there are dead keen on open
> data and would no doubt be happy to talk with their melbourne counterparts
> as well
>

Yes, this would be great.  For people who've never seen it, check out
Geelong on http://demo.f4map.com and you can see how big building data is
going to be.

I believe some building imports are going to be essential at the start.
It's just too tedious for anyone to do large areas, even badly.
I'm working though placing basic building areas in Frankston, Seaford and
across parts of Northern Tasmania and it's just a massive task. That's not
even going into a lot of detail or adding data like height like the Geelong
data.

My hope is that by placing the basic areas down, people might find it a
little easier to add details to them later on.
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Daniel O'Connor]

Oh, and I nearly forgot: one of the issues with data is bitrot - you'll
want to think about not only the initial data import, but how best to keep
it up to date.

I've found subscribing to a feed of data from planningalerts.org.au is a
good indicator for when housing or addresses in my area are possibly going
to be invalidated.


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel O'Connor 
wrote:

>
>> One thing we could do is import some of their data into OSM. For example:
>> - addresses
>>
>
> Addresses may be one of the more useful data sets, and you might want to
> look at things like openaddresses.io as well - though I did open up a
> pull request for VicMap data.
>
> A similar import is
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/NYC_Buildings_Addresses
>  - speaking to folks on the imports list will be useful, as there are
> undoubtedly lessons learned etc that are applicable.
>
> If they have the data, building footprints are also pretty neat.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geelong_Building_Import is one I did a
> few months ago - some of the geospatial team there are dead keen on open
> data and would no doubt be happy to talk with their melbourne counterparts
> as well.
>
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Daniel O'Connor]

>
>
> One thing we could do is import some of their data into OSM. For example:
> - addresses
>

Addresses may be one of the more useful data sets, and you might want to
look at things like openaddresses.io as well - though I did open up a pull
request for VicMap data.

A similar import is
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/NYC_Buildings_Addresses
 - speaking to folks on the imports list will be useful, as there are
undoubtedly lessons learned etc that are applicable.

If they have the data, building footprints are also pretty neat.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geelong_Building_Import is one I did a
few months ago - some of the geospatial team there are dead keen on open
data and would no doubt be happy to talk with their melbourne counterparts
as well.
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Paul Norman]

On 8/19/2014 3:42 PM, Daniel Sobey wrote:

Hi Steve,

There is a lot of open data that could potentially be used from 
data.gov  and state portals.

http://www.data.gov.au/
https://www.data.vic.gov.au/
http://data.sa.gov.au/

Much of this was released for the govhack competition last month.
No idea about the process of importing data but try and ensure that 
you add tags to say where the data came from, what licence it was 
released under etc.
You need to consult with the imports@ list for any imports you want to 
do, but there's no need for tags. Attribution is provided in accordance 
with 4.2c or 4.3 of the ODbL, currently done by means of the wiki page 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors.


It *may* be useful to add a source tag, but that's for mapper 
convenience, not any legal requirements. You can also indicate source 
with a changeset tag.
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Daniel Sobey]

Hi Steve,

There is a lot of open data that could potentially be used from data.gov
and state portals.
http://www.data.gov.au/
https://www.data.vic.gov.au/
http://data.sa.gov.au/

Much of this was released for the govhack competition last month.
No idea about the process of importing data but try and ensure that you add
tags to say where the data came from, what licence it was released under
etc.



On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Steve Bennett  wrote:

> Hi guys,
>   I'm working with the City of Melbourne on some open data projects.
> www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/an-open-data-vision-20140818-105d5n.html
>
> One thing we could do is import some of their data into OSM. For example:
> - water fountains
> - addresses
> - businesses
> - trees
>
> I haven't done any automated imports before, but I'm sensible enough to go
> through the procedures, triple check that we're not duplicating existing
> data etc.
>
> Just wanted to check what you think of this idea, and whether anyone has
> worked with CoM data before?
>
> Steve
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[talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Steve Bennett]

Hi guys,
  I'm working with the City of Melbourne on some open data projects.
www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/an-open-data-vision-20140818-105d5n.html

One thing we could do is import some of their data into OSM. For example:
- water fountains
- addresses
- businesses
- trees

I haven't done any automated imports before, but I'm sensible enough to go
through the procedures, triple check that we're not duplicating existing
data etc.

Just wanted to check what you think of this idea, and whether anyone has
worked with CoM data before?

Steve
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