Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:00:11 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: that P2 does indeed prevent you from using any URL with the string google in it. I like Merkaartor and JOSM, and have not seen any need yet to try Potlatch2. I could set up a proxy - on my squid to rewrite URL 'forbidden_image' to 'google' if I wanted. However I have zero interest in using google imagery, so I won't. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:27 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I think what they have a problem with is that its so open-ended, like we just have to trust the OSMF because they'll do no wrong. Hang on a second, this is sounding vaguely like some heated discussions from a few months back. OSMF doesn't direct JOSM development. Or Potlatch or Merkaartor development either. I'm not aware of any OSMF board members being involved in development of an OSM editor.[1] [1] Steve was at CloudMade when they were working on an editor but I don't know if he wrote code for it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 11:26 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:51 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I was sent a link to this thread on the JOSM dev mailing list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2011-January/005185.html The jist is some people are pushing to put URL filtering into JOSM, currently the discussion is focused on Google images/tiles however it wouldn't take much of a leap for things to also block Nearmap URLs since those pushing for this change seem to want to make JOSM difficult to use for anything but OSM allowed sources. Thankfully the main author of the software seems to want a more general editor, not just one that works with OSM specific APIs etc. You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago? Exactly that is the core question. Why wasnt that question asked of the community before the change was made? It seems they dont even understand what the whole 'community' usage of their app even is, given their surprise when objections were raised and other alternatives suggested, such as flagging edits made when a certain background is used, and issuing warnings instead of simply blacklisting. Why not participate in the conversation? Im not subscribed to the JOSM dev mailing list. I guess we should we happy that it was even announced anywhere, but unless John Smith had posted the above link how many of us would have been aware of the changes in the software? I dont think anyone objects to raising barriers to block google images for tracing, as a specific case. If the code was changed to block 'google' then thats one thing, but for the code to be changed to download/use an arbitrary blocklist which (presumably?) can change at any time a handful of people dont like what youre doing. I think what they have a problem with is that its so open-ended, like we just have to trust the OSMF because they'll do no wrong. Hang on a second, this is sounding vaguely like some heated discussions from a few months back. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:27 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I think what they have a problem with is that its so open-ended, like we just have to trust the OSMF because they'll do no wrong. Hang on a second, this is sounding vaguely like some heated discussions from a few months back. OSMF doesn't direct JOSM development. Or Potlatch or Merkaartor development either. Potlatch developer Richard Fairhurst was a board member in 2007-2008. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I could set up a proxy - on my squid to rewrite URL 'forbidden_image' to 'google' if I wanted. In the latest version of JOSM it's actually quite trivial to bypass the blacklist. No need to set up a proxy at all. Of course, if I publicized the bypass then someone would likely close it. However I have zero interest in using google imagery, so I won't. One nice thing about the Google imagery is that it's often more up-to-date than the other alternatives. And so long as you're careful and check multiple sources, no one is ever going to figure out that you used Google vs. one of your other sources. On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Richard Weait wrote: OSMF doesn't direct JOSM development. Or Potlatch or Merkaartor development either. Exactly. The best-known Potlatch instance is hosted on OSMF-owned hardware at the OSMF-owned openstreetmap.org domain. OSMF could, in theory, request a particular feature for this instance and refuse to deploy any version that didn't contain this feature. They have, however, never done this. JOSM and Merkaartor and Mapzen and insert random other editor here development is purely at the discretion of the development team. If you don't like it, write/fork your own. It's all open source. While I agree that a fork is a viable option if all else fails, I believe a fork should be the *last* option, not the first. And I don't foresee it being a necessary option in this case. I don't see any reason why the developers wouldn't support a build-time option to turn on/off the blacklist, and I wouldn't consider a special build with the blacklist off (and with the default API URL set somewhere else) to be a fork. For now I'm happy with the fact that there's a loophole in the blacklist. And I'm happy to report that JOSM is quickly becoming my favorite editor. I just discovered how easy it is to switch between different imagery layers. It's really great switching between USGS, Bing, and Google in the area where I live. They each have different subtleties that complement each other, in terms of resolution, age, and coverage. I'd guess in Australia it's much the same, with the candidates bing Nearmap, Bing, and Google. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On 31 January 2011 22:38, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:27 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I think what they have a problem with is that its so open-ended, like we just have to trust the OSMF because they'll do no wrong. Hang on a second, this is sounding vaguely like some heated discussions from a few months back. OSMF doesn't direct JOSM development. Or Potlatch or Merkaartor development either. I'm not aware of any OSMF board members being involved in development of an OSM editor.[1] [1] Steve was at CloudMade when they were working on an editor but I don't know if he wrote code for it. Yes and the US government didn't ask Amazon.com to take down wikileaks, but Amazon was probably being a little protective due all the large hosting contracts it has with the US govt. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On 31 January 2011 23:20, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: The best-known Potlatch instance is hosted on OSMF-owned hardware at the OSMF-owned openstreetmap.org domain. OSMF could, in theory, request a particular feature for this instance and refuse to deploy any version that didn't contain this feature. They have, however, never done this. Another option could be for editors to send a list of imagery sources in use during the edit period, and then the server could do the filtering based on this, rather than trying to blacklist in the client. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 20:58 -0500, Anthony wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:21 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 23:51 +1000, John Smith wrote: Thankfully the main author of the software seems to want a more general editor, not just one that works with OSM specific APIs etc. This makes me wonder. Dirk has stated that he does not want the feature implemented, while Frederik has stated that he has already implemented it. Is that not the rudest form of vandalism in OSM (even worse than vandalising a part of the map)? To be fair, Frederik had already made the changes before Dirk stated that he didn't want them. Isnt it (maybe an unwritten) OSM policy that for a significant change, it should be talked about before making the change, rather than after? That would mean that Frederik's actions didnt just go against the maintainers wishes (who he didnt even ask about first seemingly), but also against the basis of which all major changes are made in OSM? So its not just vandalism against the package maintainer's position, its vandalism against the OSM policies. Isnt that why such policies are in-place, to prevent people making changes and dealing with complaints afterwards..? Its better to have the problems addressed before any change is made, and it can be implemented properly rather than a half hack that Frederik has done to achieve a certain goal. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:51 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I was sent a link to this thread on the JOSM dev mailing list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2011-January/005185.html The jist is some people are pushing to put URL filtering into JOSM, currently the discussion is focused on Google images/tiles however it wouldn't take much of a leap for things to also block Nearmap URLs since those pushing for this change seem to want to make JOSM difficult to use for anything but OSM allowed sources. Thankfully the main author of the software seems to want a more general editor, not just one that works with OSM specific APIs etc. You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago? Why not participate in the conversation? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:21 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 23:51 +1000, John Smith wrote: Thankfully the main author of the software seems to want a more general editor, not just one that works with OSM specific APIs etc. This makes me wonder. Dirk has stated that he does not want the feature implemented, while Frederik has stated that he has already implemented it. Is that not the rudest form of vandalism in OSM (even worse than vandalising a part of the map)? Oh dear. You've whipped yourself into a frenzy on this. No. This is a case of two respected committers to a project disagreeing on the best response to a bug. Happens all the time. And they are discussing it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On 31 January 2011 02:26, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago? However David's point, and Anthony and mine and Dirks where, why should JOSM only support things that are applicable to OSM-F? Perhaps some other community out there doesn't care about Google's terms and conditions, why should it come down to baby sitting people? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
CommonMap fosm, and perhaps wikimapia in the future, and anyone who likes to use the great josm software. ... I'm using it to convert .osm to .gpx and .osm to .img After using shp-to-osm.jar, i use JOSM to work with the data ... I should be able to trace what i like, and create what i want ... never touching the osm-api. Incase JOSM developers do decide to block 'outside world users' qgis.org does exist, and it's a powerfull tool... So all is not lost. It's a good think that potlatch2 doesn't restrict APIs :) cheers, Sam On 1/30/11, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 January 2011 02:26, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago? However David's point, and Anthony and mine and Dirks where, why should JOSM only support things that are applicable to OSM-F? Perhaps some other community out there doesn't care about Google's terms and conditions, why should it come down to baby sitting people? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:45 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 January 2011 02:26, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago? However David's point, and Anthony and mine and Dirks where, why should JOSM only support things that are applicable to OSM-F? Perhaps some other community out there doesn't care about Google's terms and conditions, why should it come down to baby sitting people? For JOSM, the Java OpenStreetMap editor? Really? That's what you are asking? from josm.openstreetmap.de Java OpenStreetMap Editor ¶ /svn/trunk/images/logo.png JOSM is an editor for OpenStreetMap (OSM) written in Java 1.6. Which seems to declare the core interest of the JOSM project pretty clearly. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
Oops, I mean restrict Imagery URLs. ... sorry got carried away on the last message :) On 1/30/11, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: CommonMap fosm, and perhaps wikimapia in the future, and anyone who likes to use the great josm software. ... I'm using it to convert .osm to .gpx and .osm to .img After using shp-to-osm.jar, i use JOSM to work with the data ... I should be able to trace what i like, and create what i want ... never touching the osm-api. Incase JOSM developers do decide to block 'outside world users' qgis.org does exist, and it's a powerfull tool... So all is not lost. It's a good think that potlatch2 doesn't restrict APIs :) cheers, Sam On 1/30/11, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 January 2011 02:26, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago? However David's point, and Anthony and mine and Dirks where, why should JOSM only support things that are applicable to OSM-F? Perhaps some other community out there doesn't care about Google's terms and conditions, why should it come down to baby sitting people? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago? The only proper answer to that question is mu. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On 31 January 2011 08:02, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago? The only proper answer to that question is mu. For everyone else confused by this, I was sent this: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/mu.html The correct answer to the classic trick question “Have you stopped beating your wife yet?”. Assuming that you have no wife or you have never beaten your wife, the answer “yes” is wrong because it implies that you used to beat your wife and then stopped, but “no” is worse because it suggests that you have one and are still beating her. According to various Discordians and Douglas Hofstadter the correct answer is usually “mu”, a Japanese word alleged to mean “Your question cannot be answered because it depends on incorrect assumptions”. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
Sam Vekemans wrote: It's a good think that potlatch2 doesn't restrict APIs :) [...] Oops, I mean restrict Imagery URLs. ... sorry got carried away on the last message :) Elizabeth Dodd wrote: If you wade through the whole conversation on the josm-dev mailing list you would be aware that P2 does indeed prevent you from using any URL with the string google in it. Or, mu. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/JOSM-filtering-image-map-tile-URLs-tp5972714p5975776.html Sent from the Australia mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On 30 January 2011 00:21, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: So, what happens now? Has Frederik appointed himself as top-dog in the JOSM project, above and beyond the maintainer? Frederik was the JOSM project maintainer for a number of years before he handed off to Dirk and others. He is also part of a small team which has commit access to the live JOSM source tree. Frederik is also a member of the Data Working Group, along with myself, who have to deal with the consequences of people recklessly tracing in from inappropriate sources. Although a little different, see a recent case here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ec/2011-January/55.html Regards Grant ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On 31 January 2011 10:04, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Frederik is also a member of the Data Working Group, along with myself, who have to deal with the consequences of people recklessly tracing in from inappropriate sources. Although a little different, see a recent case here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ec/2011-January/55.html Which leads back to Anthony's suggestion about a special build for OSM-F with what ever filtering they deem appropriate, they could go so far as to host some kind of config that JOSM interacts with *IF* and only if the data is being uploaded to OSM-F's API address. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
Not that I'm getting involved in this... but if there is to be a multiplicity of servers, why not have the server provide a REST call* that can be used by PL/JOSM (or anything else) to establish which tracing sources are permitted for that server and which aren't? That way, the tools don't need to cater for specific needs, they become more generall. cheers b (writing as just an interested software engineer for once) * Just returning a static file of filters, or the like, to make implementation simple. On 31 January 2011 08:18, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 January 2011 10:04, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Frederik is also a member of the Data Working Group, along with myself, who have to deal with the consequences of people recklessly tracing in from inappropriate sources. Although a little different, see a recent case here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ec/2011-January/55.html Which leads back to Anthony's suggestion about a special build for OSM-F with what ever filtering they deem appropriate, they could go so far as to host some kind of config that JOSM interacts with *IF* and only if the data is being uploaded to OSM-F's API address. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ben Last Development Manager nearmap.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On 31 January 2011 10:24, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Not that I'm getting involved in this... but if there is to be a multiplicity of servers, why not have the server provide a REST call* that can be used by PL/JOSM (or anything else) to establish which tracing sources are permitted for that server and which aren't? That way, the tools don't need to cater for specific needs, they become more generall. +1 That's a better suggestion than a static config file. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:18 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 January 2011 10:04, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Frederik is also a member of the Data Working Group, along with myself, who have to deal with the consequences of people recklessly tracing in from inappropriate sources. Although a little different, see a recent case here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ec/2011-January/55.html Which leads back to Anthony's suggestion about a special build for OSM-F with what ever filtering they deem appropriate, they could go so far as to host some kind of config that JOSM interacts with *IF* and only if the data is being uploaded to OSM-F's API address. Yes, with a special build they could also allow JOSM to work with a Trusted Platform Module that could attest that the contributor had never checked a photograph to see whether or not a particular turn across a divided highway was possible - at least not using that computer. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
I was sent a link to this thread on the JOSM dev mailing list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2011-January/005185.html The jist is some people are pushing to put URL filtering into JOSM, currently the discussion is focused on Google images/tiles however it wouldn't take much of a leap for things to also block Nearmap URLs since those pushing for this change seem to want to make JOSM difficult to use for anything but OSM allowed sources. Thankfully the main author of the software seems to want a more general editor, not just one that works with OSM specific APIs etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 23:51 +1000, John Smith wrote: I was sent a link to this thread on the JOSM dev mailing list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2011-January/005185.html Interesting thread. ... since those pushing for this change seem to want to make JOSM difficult to use for anything but OSM allowed sources. This worries me a little. It seems like there are some within the community who are adamant to split the users. It seems some people are trying to do the best they can, to achieve forks within the project, while others are running along behind them trying to repair the damage and lost morale. This wouldnt be such an issue, if those who were pushing to break the project up werent in the (perceived) highest levels of power. When people suggested that these tools might have uses other than for OSM, the response always came back as 'well, fork it and host the project yourself'.. which leads to... Thankfully the main author of the software seems to want a more general editor, not just one that works with OSM specific APIs etc. This makes me wonder. Dirk has stated that he does not want the feature implemented, while Frederik has stated that he has already implemented it. Is that not the rudest form of vandalism in OSM (even worse than vandalising a part of the map)? To force someone to take changes to their program because of your position. If an athiest decided to remove any references to religion/churches in JOSM, and forced the community to take their patch, what would happen? Are we expected to just lie down and take it, because we should respect one persons opinion, or should we look at the bigger picture and send OSM in the direction the community wants, rather than the direction a few foundation board members want. So, what happens now? Has Frederik appointed himself as top-dog in the JOSM project, above and beyond the maintainer? What would happen if the maintainer (or someone else following the OSM communities wishes) reverted that patch? David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On 30 January 2011 10:21, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: their program because of your position. If an athiest decided to remove any references to religion/churches in JOSM, and forced the community to take their patch, what would happen? Are we expected to just lie down and take it, because we should respect one persons opinion, or should we look at the bigger picture and send OSM in the direction the community wants, rather than the direction a few foundation board members want. It's unfortunately that things turned out how I thought they might, what's worst of course is the deceitful tactics employed to force through change that may not even be needed since maps aren't just raw facts, there is quite a bit of creativity going into things at all levels. So, what happens now? Has Frederik appointed himself as top-dog in the JOSM project, above and beyond the maintainer? What would happen if the maintainer (or someone else following the OSM communities wishes) reverted that patch? As Anthony pointed out in one post, there is no reason this couldn't be a build time option with multiple builds produced as a result, although it's disturbing the amount of pressure being applied to force things through so everyone else but OSM-F can be easily excluded. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:21 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 23:51 +1000, John Smith wrote: Thankfully the main author of the software seems to want a more general editor, not just one that works with OSM specific APIs etc. This makes me wonder. Dirk has stated that he does not want the feature implemented, while Frederik has stated that he has already implemented it. Is that not the rudest form of vandalism in OSM (even worse than vandalising a part of the map)? To be fair, Frederik had already made the changes before Dirk stated that he didn't want them. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
