[talk-au] OSMF Advisory Board Representative

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Bit of info for (perhaps!) general interest's sake :-)

A while back, there was mention made that there was a vacancy open for an
OSM Oceania rep on the OSMF Advisory Board.

After some thought (& a bit of arm-twisting! :wink: ) I stuck my hand up &
was duly accepted (against almost-overwhelming opposition - NOT!).

Still trying to figure out just what it really entails, as comments have
been made that the Advisory Board is a bit of a non-event?

But the plan atm is trying to get OSM Oceania up & running, so if any of
you have any ideas / thoughts / suggestions of things you'd like to see,
please share!

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Local Chapter discussions

[FlashKiwi]

 Great email Andrew!
Andrew makes some great comments and raises some very fair concerns. The key is 
participation, and if you have a passion for all things OSM in AU/NZ/Pacific 
then I really encourage you to be part of the process. Subscribe to the 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/ and follow the discussions.
Please don't forget that the 2019 Conference is being held in Wellington
Cheers
Greg LauerOn Monday, 17 December 2018, 4:16:17 PM AEST, Andrew Harvey 
 wrote:  
 
 There is a movement at the moment on the FOSS4G Oceania mailing list,
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/, by the group who
organised the recent FOSS4G SotM Oceania conference, looking to get a
bit more organised through some kind of governance and organisation
structure.

Their proposal is to setup an OSGeo Oceania entity against the terms
of reference at
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/attachments/20181214/f7637cbb/attachment-0001.pdf

The rationale behind this originally stemmed from a desire for an
organisation to run our regional joint FOSS4G and SotM conference, but
the proposal is for "Its purpose is to foster the growth of the
geospatial open source & open data community in the Oceania region,
including the oversight and stewardship of a FOSS4G & SotM Conference
series."

The proposed OSGeo Oceania entity would be similar to the German
FOSSGIS eV https://www.fossgis.de/ which is both the German OSMF Local
Chapter and the Open Source Geospatial organisation.

The OSGeo Oceania terms of reference explicitly state the intention to
become an OSMF Local Chapter
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters, so I feel it's
important the whole community here is aware and has the opportunity to
get involved.

Personally I think a local chapter is a good thing, it can be used to
foster the growth of OpenStreetMap within Australia, New Zealand and
the pacific islands. On my personal wish list:

1. Set up a local HOT Tasking Manager to be used locally for all kinds
of mapping coordination, including post disaster

2. LGA level extracts, this will hopefully make OSM data even more
accessible by local government and help promote OpenStreetMap within
local government

3. Take control of openstreetmap.org.au though the OpenStreetMap
trademark in Australia that OSMF holds

4. A rendering of the OSM Carto style but showing indigenous names.

5. Provide a contact point for government

I have concerns too:

1. Have we reached out to the pacific islands OpenStreetMap community?
If we're starting a Local Chapter that includes them, they need to be
involved in it. (This email is one step to try to get the Australian
and New Zealand communities involved)

2. An OSMF Local Chapter for our region should have the goal to foster
the growth of the OpenStreetMap project within our region. In my
opinion this should include supporting OpenStreetMap within
proprietary software and services, so long as in line with the
OpenStreetMap license. A joint OSGeo Oceania should be okay with
supporting OpenStreetMap and even promoting it together with non free
and open source geospatial software.

3. Funding and money. Funds could be raised through individual
memberships like OSMF and organisation supporters/sponsors. At the
moment the OSGeo Oceania terms of reference don't go into that detail,
it's mostly around running the conference. I'm unsure how the funds
raised would flow into funds distributed, would a sponsor or member be
able to choose if they want their contribution allocated towards just
OpenStreetMap, just free and open source software, or both? What about
at a country level?

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Local Chapter discussions

[John Bryant]

Thanks Andrew! I'm hopeful this will be seen as a positive move, taken in
the spirit it's intended - to enable and empower the OSM and open source
geospatial communities to work together with common purpose.

For this new organisation (OSGeo Oceania) to legitimately claim to
represent the OSM community, it will certainly need ongoing engagement from
OSM people from around the region. Ideally this will include active
participation in the governance & management of the organisation.
Representation of the OSM community on the board of the new org is
explicitly stated as an objective in the newly-written Terms of Reference
.

Looking forward to carrying on the discussion.

Cheers!
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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Local Chapter discussions

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for sharing Andrew.

Sounds good to me!

Thanks

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[talk-au] OSMF Local Chapter discussions

[Andrew Harvey]

There is a movement at the moment on the FOSS4G Oceania mailing list,
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/, by the group who
organised the recent FOSS4G SotM Oceania conference, looking to get a
bit more organised through some kind of governance and organisation
structure.

Their proposal is to setup an OSGeo Oceania entity against the terms
of reference at
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/attachments/20181214/f7637cbb/attachment-0001.pdf

The rationale behind this originally stemmed from a desire for an
organisation to run our regional joint FOSS4G and SotM conference, but
the proposal is for "Its purpose is to foster the growth of the
geospatial open source & open data community in the Oceania region,
including the oversight and stewardship of a FOSS4G & SotM Conference
series."

The proposed OSGeo Oceania entity would be similar to the German
FOSSGIS eV https://www.fossgis.de/ which is both the German OSMF Local
Chapter and the Open Source Geospatial organisation.

The OSGeo Oceania terms of reference explicitly state the intention to
become an OSMF Local Chapter
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters, so I feel it's
important the whole community here is aware and has the opportunity to
get involved.

Personally I think a local chapter is a good thing, it can be used to
foster the growth of OpenStreetMap within Australia, New Zealand and
the pacific islands. On my personal wish list:

1. Set up a local HOT Tasking Manager to be used locally for all kinds
of mapping coordination, including post disaster

2. LGA level extracts, this will hopefully make OSM data even more
accessible by local government and help promote OpenStreetMap within
local government

3. Take control of openstreetmap.org.au though the OpenStreetMap
trademark in Australia that OSMF holds

4. A rendering of the OSM Carto style but showing indigenous names.

5. Provide a contact point for government

I have concerns too:

1. Have we reached out to the pacific islands OpenStreetMap community?
If we're starting a Local Chapter that includes them, they need to be
involved in it. (This email is one step to try to get the Australian
and New Zealand communities involved)

2. An OSMF Local Chapter for our region should have the goal to foster
the growth of the OpenStreetMap project within our region. In my
opinion this should include supporting OpenStreetMap within
proprietary software and services, so long as in line with the
OpenStreetMap license. A joint OSGeo Oceania should be okay with
supporting OpenStreetMap and even promoting it together with non free
and open source geospatial software.

3. Funding and money. Funds could be raised through individual
memberships like OSMF and organisation supporters/sponsors. At the
moment the OSGeo Oceania terms of reference don't go into that detail,
it's mostly around running the conference. I'm unsure how the funds
raised would flow into funds distributed, would a sponsor or member be
able to choose if they want their contribution allocated towards just
OpenStreetMap, just free and open source software, or both? What about
at a country level?

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[talk-au] OSMF 2014 AGM vote results

[Richard Weait]

Hi all,

Thank you to all of the candidates.  Offering to spend your time and
energy acting on behalf of the group is an act of generosity.

The OpenStreetMap Foundation held the 2014 AGM yesterday including
votes on several matters including the election to the board.

The results are summarized on the wiki. Official results will be on
the Foundation web site in future.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM14

I've added some background on STV (voting method) because it is the
first time I have been involved in it.  Learn along with me at my site
 http://weait.com  in several recent articles and several more on the
way.

I hope that you have found some inspiration and motivation from the
election cycle.  if so, please act on that new energy and contribute
to the project by:

* mapping your neighbourhood.  :-)
* starting a regular local event for (new) mappers
* writing and publishing some awesome code
* writing and publishing some awesome documentation
* joining a Foundation Working Group to act on behalf of groups of mappers

None of these require standing for election or waiting for another
election cycle to complete.

Best regards and happy mapping,

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Redaction bot working on Australia

[Leon Kernan]

Well, there goes the neighbourhood :-)   (literally!)
I didn't even realise it had moved from Europe to America yet.
Thanks for mentioning it.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Arie Paap  wrote:

> Hello
>
> I've been watching the progress of the bot on North America and it
> seems to have mostly finished there. It is now working on Australia:
> starting from the South and working northwards. I suspect it will be
> done by the end of today, but the high rate of redactions required
> might slow it down.
>
> In lieu of a midnight announcement by someone in UK or Europe I
> thought I'd mention it here.
>
> If you've missed the various announcements you can monitor progress
> here:
> http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php
> and see the edits at
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/OSMF%20Redaction%20Account/edits
>
> Arie.
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[talk-au] OSMF Redaction bot working on Australia

[Arie Paap]

Hello

I've been watching the progress of the bot on North America and it
seems to have mostly finished there. It is now working on Australia:
starting from the South and working northwards. I suspect it will be
done by the end of today, but the high rate of redactions required
might slow it down.

In lieu of a midnight announcement by someone in UK or Europe I
thought I'd mention it here.

If you've missed the various announcements you can monitor progress
here: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php
and see the edits at
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/OSMF%20Redaction%20Account/edits

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF elections

[80n]

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:48 PM, David Murn 
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 15:12 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> >
> >> OSMF is a democratically elected body. Candidates welcome. I guess
> 2011's
> >> elections will take place at the start of July as usual.
> >>
> >> (Last year's election:
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM10/Election_to_Board )
> >
> > Out of interest, how come only 3 names are shown as 'elected' on that
> > page, but the foundation page lists 7 members?  Is the entire board
> > required to stand down every year, before elections are held?
>
> In 2010, OSMF transitioned from "chair serves two year term and others
> serve one-year terms", to "1/3 of board stands for election each
> year".  Ulf, Mike and Andy chose to step down and not to run again.
> Six new candidates stood and three were elected to the three
> vacancies.
>
>
Hmmm, according to the articles of association "The members of the Board to
retire shall be those who have been longest in office since their last
election or appointment."

So if I'm reading your table correctly then SteveC, Mikel and Andy should
have retired and, if they wished, stood for re-election.  The fact that
other board members wished to retire does not appear to be relevant.



> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM09
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM08
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM07
>
> FYI, and because I love ASCII-(ch)art, here is the history of the OSMF
> board elections. (monospace font required.)
>
> 07|08|09|10|
>  Y |-> | Y |-> | Steve Coast
>  Y | Y | Y | - | Andy Robinson
>  Y | Y | N | - | George James (Etienne)
>  Y | Y | Y | - | Michael Collinson
>  Y | Y | Y |-> | Mikel Maron
>  Y | - | - | - | Richard Fairhurst
>  Y | - | - | - | Corey Burger
>  - | Y | N | - | Nick Black
>  - | Y | Y |-> | Henk Hoff
>  - | N | - | - | Grant Slater
>  - | N | Y |-> | Simone Cortesi
>  - | N | - | - | Richard Weait
>  - | - | Y | - | Ulf Möller
>  - | - | N | - | Peter Miller
>  - | - | N | - | Hurricane Coast (nee McEwen)
>  - | - | - | Y | Emilie Laffray
>  - | - | - | Y | Iván Sánchez Ortega
>  - | - | - | Y | Oliver Kühn
>  - | - | - | N | Lars Franke
>  - | - | - | N | Thea Clay
>  - | - | - | N | Kate Chapman
>
> [ ... ]
> > Interestingly, I notice the number of foundation members is dropping
> > over previous years, 2009 numbers were over 250, where 2010 numbers were
> > only 130.  Has any effort been made to find out why so many former
> > members decided not to rejoin?
>
> Those numbers surprise me.  Where did you get them?  145 valid votes
> were cast for the most recent election, so your "130" does not match
> the election results found here.
>
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2010-August/000975.html
>
> I do remember the AGM10 report from the membership secretary
> mentioning the number of paid members (but I don't recall the number).
>  Perhaps I can find that report.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > Do the various working
> > groups publish their own minutes or decisions, [ ... ]
>
> Steve Bennett showed us the location of the minutes.
>
> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes
>
> There is also an unofficial summary of Board and Working Group
> activities that is published periodically at
> http://blog.osmfoundation.org/
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Re: [talk-au] OSMF elections

[Richard Weait]

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:01 AM, David Murn  wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 08:30 -0500, Richard Weait wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:48 PM, David Murn  wrote:

[ ... ]

> Thanks for the explanation, someone else provided the simple two-year
> explanation off-list, which makes the elections make more sense.

No problem.  You planning to run in 2011?  Never too early to start
campaigning. ;-)

>> > Interestingly, I notice the number of foundation members is dropping
>> > over previous years, 2009 numbers were over 250, where 2010 numbers were
>> > only 130.  Has any effort been made to find out why so many former
>> > members decided not to rejoin?
>>
>> Those numbers surprise me.  Where did you get them?  145 valid votes
>> were cast for the most recent election, so your "130" does not match
>> the election results found here.
>
> I found the numbers in the minutes, but from a quick look through now I
> cant remember exactly which ones.

I'm not certain if membership numbers fall under "must be reported",
"may be reported", or "may only be reported under specific privacy
guidelines".  I'll send a request to the board / membership secretary
and copy you.

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF elections

[David Murn]

On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 08:30 -0500, Richard Weait wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:48 PM, David Murn  wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 15:12 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> >
> In 2010, OSMF transitioned from "chair serves two year term and others
> serve one-year terms", to "1/3 of board stands for election each
> year".

Thanks for the explanation, someone else provided the simple two-year
explanation off-list, which makes the elections make more sense.

> > Interestingly, I notice the number of foundation members is dropping
> > over previous years, 2009 numbers were over 250, where 2010 numbers were
> > only 130.  Has any effort been made to find out why so many former
> > members decided not to rejoin?
> 
> Those numbers surprise me.  Where did you get them?  145 valid votes
> were cast for the most recent election, so your "130" does not match
> the election results found here.

I found the numbers in the minutes, but from a quick look through now I
cant remember exactly which ones.  Unfortunately a lot of them dont have
membership reports, and those that do often dont state the number of
members.  Im not sure what the association laws are like in the UK, but
from my experience of minuting meetings (and openness of documents and
reports) under Australian law, these wouldnt come close to muster.  Im
happy enough to be corrected if youre actually able to find minutes
somewhere that do have the relevant numbers from points in time.

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF elections

[Richard Weait]

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:48 PM, David Murn  wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 15:12 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>
>> OSMF is a democratically elected body. Candidates welcome. I guess 2011's
>> elections will take place at the start of July as usual.
>>
>> (Last year's election:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM10/Election_to_Board )
>
> Out of interest, how come only 3 names are shown as 'elected' on that
> page, but the foundation page lists 7 members?  Is the entire board
> required to stand down every year, before elections are held?

In 2010, OSMF transitioned from "chair serves two year term and others
serve one-year terms", to "1/3 of board stands for election each
year".  Ulf, Mike and Andy chose to step down and not to run again.
Six new candidates stood and three were elected to the three
vacancies.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM09
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM08
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM07

FYI, and because I love ASCII-(ch)art, here is the history of the OSMF
board elections. (monospace font required.)

07|08|09|10|
 Y |-> | Y |-> | Steve Coast
 Y | Y | Y | - | Andy Robinson
 Y | Y | N | - | George James (Etienne)
 Y | Y | Y | - | Michael Collinson
 Y | Y | Y |-> | Mikel Maron
 Y | - | - | - | Richard Fairhurst
 Y | - | - | - | Corey Burger
 - | Y | N | - | Nick Black
 - | Y | Y |-> | Henk Hoff
 - | N | - | - | Grant Slater
 - | N | Y |-> | Simone Cortesi
 - | N | - | - | Richard Weait
 - | - | Y | - | Ulf Möller
 - | - | N | - | Peter Miller
 - | - | N | - | Hurricane Coast (nee McEwen)
 - | - | - | Y | Emilie Laffray
 - | - | - | Y | Iván Sánchez Ortega
 - | - | - | Y | Oliver Kühn
 - | - | - | N | Lars Franke
 - | - | - | N | Thea Clay
 - | - | - | N | Kate Chapman

[ ... ]
> Interestingly, I notice the number of foundation members is dropping
> over previous years, 2009 numbers were over 250, where 2010 numbers were
> only 130.  Has any effort been made to find out why so many former
> members decided not to rejoin?

Those numbers surprise me.  Where did you get them?  145 valid votes
were cast for the most recent election, so your "130" does not match
the election results found here.

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2010-August/000975.html

I do remember the AGM10 report from the membership secretary
mentioning the number of paid members (but I don't recall the number).
 Perhaps I can find that report.

[ ... ]

> Do the various working
> groups publish their own minutes or decisions, [ ... ]

Steve Bennett showed us the location of the minutes.

http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes

There is also an unofficial summary of Board and Working Group
activities that is published periodically at
http://blog.osmfoundation.org/

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Fwd: license change map

[Steve Bennett]

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:48 PM, David Murn  wrote:
> outcomes arent published back into the minutes.  Do the various working
> groups publish their own minutes or decisions, or do we just find out
> what they decide after the changes have taken place, such as the
> JOSM/Nearmap issue recently?

They appear to go here:

http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Fwd: license change map

[David Murn]

On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 15:12 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

> OSMF is a democratically elected body. Candidates welcome. I guess 2011's
> elections will take place at the start of July as usual.
> 
> (Last year's election:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM10/Election_to_Board )

Out of interest, how come only 3 names are shown as 'elected' on that
page, but the foundation page lists 7 members?  Is the entire board
required to stand down every year, before elections are held?  Having
been on the board of a non-profit for many years, looking at the
minutes, the election process either seems wrongly done or wrongly
minuted.

Interestingly, I notice the number of foundation members is dropping
over previous years, 2009 numbers were over 250, where 2010 numbers were
only 130.  Has any effort been made to find out why so many former
members decided not to rejoin?

I note in minutes from October, that an action item enquired why so many
people have unsubscribed from osmf mailing list dating back to May which
Mike was to follow up, which is still pending.  Id be interested to know
these reasons too.. is it because these members (or former members) are
feeling the OSMF is moving in one direction regardless of the influence
they try to have, and are simply leaving the group and possibly even the
project feeling that even though its an open project, theres a one-track
minded foundation at the helm?

It is revealing seeing some of these details, as being secretary of a
non-profit I can only imagine what would happen if our minutes were
sparsely written like these, action items were simply deferred until
forgotten, and important tasks passed off to 'working groups' whos
outcomes arent published back into the minutes.  Do the various working
groups publish their own minutes or decisions, or do we just find out
what they decide after the changes have taken place, such as the
JOSM/Nearmap issue recently?

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Re: [talk-au] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

[Richard Fairhurst]

On 05/12/2009 21:31, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
> The proposed licence is not a benefit to Australians in my view.

You have generously qualified this with "in my view" and I should point 
out that I disagree with all the force I can muster.

I spent about two hours this morning writing a pretty detailed e-mail, 
with all the case law citations you could want, explaining how the 
recent Australian High Court judgement followed Rural v Feist in the US, 
and therefore required the contract approach of ODbL rather than the 
copyright-only approach of CC-BY-SA.

I don't think you have at all answered the points in that, and therefore 
I stand by the viewpoint that in Australia, ODbL has the best chance of 
any open, non-clickwrap licence of protecting OSM's data. CC-BY-SA will 
not protect it at all.

The e-mail is here:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2009-December/000479.html

I don't mind that your vote is lost; but I hope that others will look 
into the law and the references cited, rather than taking either yours, 
or my, interpretations on trust.

Apologies for the cross-post, but you have raised this same point on all 
three lists. For anyone good enough to read and reply, please do trim 
the follow-ups.

Richard

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF

[James Livingston]

On 21/08/2009, at 8:16 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
> 1. nominations open.
> 2. voting opens
> 3. nominations close (how can anyone vote if nominations aren't  
> closed)
> 4. last minute registrations to vote
> 5. last minute call to vote (24 hours notice)

Nomination closing after the voting had opened confused the hell out  
of me too. I think the voting closed 48 hours after the nominations  
did, which is also a bit odd.

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF

[Gordon Smith]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Matt White wrote:
> Liz wrote:
>> Big flame war on the OSMF-talk list today
>> and it didn't even need us Aussies to fuel it.
>>
>> If you are a member, please vote, it will make life easier for us all if as
>> many potential voters as possible vote
>>
>> or else we will hear for the next three years how the poll was 'fixed".
>>
>>
> Was it just me, or was there no announcement on the OSMF list (or
> elsewhere like the wiki front page) that the voting had opened?
>
> Or did I just miss it?
>
> Either way, I missed the opportunity to vote - I hadn't checked my email
> for two days... :(
>
> Matt

There was an email entitled "Voting for Board Members" a few days ago.
 It would have been much more useful if it had said "VOTING NOW OPEN".

Then, as Liz said, Frederick Ramm mailed a reminder (in upper case to
wake people up).


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Re: [talk-au] OSMF

[Elizabeth Dodd]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Matt White wrote:
> Was it just me, or was there no announcement on the OSMF list (or
> elsewhere like the wiki front page) that the voting had opened?
>
> Or did I just miss it?
>
> Either way, I missed the opportunity to vote - I hadn't checked my email
> for two days... :(

If Frederick Ramm hadn't started out with a please vote email on osmf-talk, 
I'd have missed it too.
Disorganised.

1. nominations open.
2. voting opens
3. nominations close (how can anyone vote if nominations aren't closed)
4. last minute registrations to vote
5. last minute call to vote (24 hours notice)



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Re: [talk-au] OSMF

[Matt White]

Liz wrote:
> Big flame war on the OSMF-talk list today
> and it didn't even need us Aussies to fuel it.
>
> If you are a member, please vote, it will make life easier for us all if as 
> many potential voters as possible vote
>
> or else we will hear for the next three years how the poll was 'fixed".
>
>   
Was it just me, or was there no announcement on the OSMF list (or 
elsewhere like the wiki front page) that the voting had opened?

Or did I just miss it?

Either way, I missed the opportunity to vote - I hadn't checked my email 
for two days... :(

Matt

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF

[John Smith]

--- On Thu, 20/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd  wrote:

> i think our laws make it necessary that they are separate
> :-))

Legal entities can operate and sign contracts with other legal entities, and 
this is where things could get very messy depending how complicated the 
inter-group contract is.

This seems to be the hold up at present, what the OSMF contract with LCs ends 
up being.


  

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF

[Elizabeth Dodd]

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
> > If you are a member, please vote, it will make life easier
> > for us all if as
> > many potential voters as possible vote
> >
> > or else we will hear for the next three years how the poll
> > was 'fixed".
>
> This is one reason I've decided to take an active interest in the
> discussion on Local Chapters.
>
> I think they should be as independent as possible otherwise it could be
> very detrimental with inter and intra infighting spilling over to local
> chapters, and vice versa. If they're operationally independent of each
> other it's a lot more clear cut.
i think our laws make it necessary that they are separate
:-))

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF

[John Smith]

--- On Thu, 20/8/09, Liz  wrote:

> If you are a member, please vote, it will make life easier
> for us all if as 
> many potential voters as possible vote
> 
> or else we will hear for the next three years how the poll
> was 'fixed".

This is one reason I've decided to take an active interest in the discussion on 
Local Chapters.

I think they should be as independent as possible otherwise it could be very 
detrimental with inter and intra infighting spilling over to local chapters, 
and vice versa. If they're operationally independent of each other it's a lot 
more clear cut.


  

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[talk-au] OSMF

[Liz]

Big flame war on the OSMF-talk list today
and it didn't even need us Aussies to fuel it.

If you are a member, please vote, it will make life easier for us all if as 
many potential voters as possible vote

or else we will hear for the next three years how the poll was 'fixed".



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