Re: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

2010-06-27 Thread Tom Brennan

On 27/06/2010 2:10 AM, John Smith wrote:

Since I'm not in Sydney I was hessitent to make changes, at least
without announcing ahead of time.


Fair enough.  However, I think it's out of date enough that you could 
just make the changes anyway. It will probably spur some Sydneysiders to 
then tidy it up.



Speaking of which, the NoName layer appears way out of date. There are
streets I named a couple of months ago that still haven't made it off that
layer. Is it still being regenerated?


Is this the BTC noname layer or the Cloudmade noname layer?


It's the Cloudmade layer. Even with a cache refresh it's still months 
out of date in the area I'm interested in. I had to Google BTC to find 
out what it was, but its NoName layer is much more up to date.


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Re: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

2010-06-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 June 2010 17:51, Tom Brennan webs...@ozultimate.com wrote:
 Fair enough.  However, I think it's out of date enough that you could just
 make the changes anyway. It will probably spur some Sydneysiders to then
 tidy it up.

This thread prompted at least one person to update their info a little :)

I've also removed the section that prompted this thread to see if
anyone will be upset at all.

 It's the Cloudmade layer. Even with a cache refresh it's still months out of

You have to force the tiles to be redrawn by viewing the tile and
putting /dirty on the end, otherwise you see the cached tiles.

 date in the area I'm interested in. I had to Google BTC to find out what it
 was, but its NoName layer is much more up to date.

Sorry, I thought the URL was common knowledge :)

http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=11ll=-33.866,151.028layer=BFTFFF

There is a couple of big red blobs around Blacktown and Penrith...

Also no one replied to my post about stopping things from showing up
on the noname layer, so I just pushed the current thoughts to the
Aussie tagging guidelines page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#How_can_I_tag_streets_with_missing_signs.2Fno_names.3F

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

2010-06-27 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 08:16 +1000, Tom Brennan wrote:
 On 27/06/2010 8:38 PM, John Smith wrote:
  It's the Cloudmade layer. Even with a cache refresh it's still months out 
  of
 
  You have to force the tiles to be redrawn by viewing the tile and
  putting /dirty on the end, otherwise you see the cached tiles.
 
 Like this ?
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.7127lon=150.4666zoom=15layers=000BFTF/dirty

No, load the map in your browser, then right click on the map image tile
you want to refresh, click 'view image', then when the single image
loads, add /dirty to the end.

David


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Re: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

2010-06-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 June 2010 08:16, Tom Brennan webs...@ozultimate.com wrote:
 Like this ?
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.7127lon=150.4666zoom=15layers=000BFTF/dirty
 I filled in all the streets in this area back in April.

As David wrote, you need to view the individual tiles and add dirty to the end:

eg if the image is

http://c.tile.cloudmade.com/fd093e52f0965d46bb1c6c6281022199/3/256/15/30078/19646.png

You do this:

http://c.tile.cloudmade.com/fd093e52f0965d46bb1c6c6281022199/3/256/15/30078/19646.png/dirty

but that's a complete pain in the butt to do, especially if you have
to force a lot of tiles to be re-drawn

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

2010-06-26 Thread Tom Brennan

On 26/06/2010 1:12 PM, John Smith wrote:

I think points of interest are one of the best aspects to OSM data and
I don't think we should be telling people not to map specific types of
POIs just because it might clutter up a rendering of a map, if
anything we should use this as an example of where rendering
technology could be improved:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sydney#Where_do_I_get_a_drink.3F


To be honest, that Wiki page is way out of date. I'm guessing that 
almost none of those people listed are still mapping where they say they 
are.


With the high res Nearmap imagery, the places to go are between Penrith 
and Blacktown. At least half of those suburbs still need their 
residential streets named. Perhaps we should use it to suggest places 
for people to go if they're interested in contributing?


Speaking of which, the NoName layer appears way out of date. There are 
streets I named a couple of months ago that still haven't made it off 
that layer. Is it still being regenerated?


cheers


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Re: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

2010-06-26 Thread John Smith
On 27 June 2010 00:08, Tom Brennan webs...@ozultimate.com wrote:
 With the high res Nearmap imagery, the places to go are between Penrith and
 Blacktown. At least half of those suburbs still need their residential
 streets named. Perhaps we should use it to suggest places for people to go
 if they're interested in contributing?

Since I'm not in Sydney I was hessitent to make changes, at least
without announcing ahead of time.

 Speaking of which, the NoName layer appears way out of date. There are
 streets I named a couple of months ago that still haven't made it off that
 layer. Is it still being regenerated?

Is this the BTC noname layer or the Cloudmade noname layer?

Cloudmade seem to cache very heavily and while they seem to have more
up to date data, you have to force a refresh to see it.

BTC tiles should be up to date, the should be expiring based on the
minutely changesets now, but browsers may be caching the tiles.

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

2010-06-26 Thread Ben Kelley
I thought about changing that the other day. That text is very old.

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Subject: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

I think points of interest are one of the best aspects to OSM data and
I don't think we should be telling people not to map specific types of
POIs just because it might clutter up a rendering of a map, if
anything we should use this as an example of where rendering
technology could be improved:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sydney#Where_do_I_get_a_drink.3F

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