Re: [OSM-talk-be] New user: Kreatos - wants to do import of their shops

[Marc Gemis]

On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Johan C  wrote:

> On your question Marc to contact companies: I have mixed experiences in
> the past. Some companies (like McDonalds) were not interested in
> OpenStreetMap. A situation that should change, since there are just four
> global players in geodata, OSM being one of them. Our product is not worse
> than Google places. probably better, because we're in open data. I like
> your idear, maybe we can join forces for the Benelux. We could start having
> a platform for entry of business users in OSM, showing them the advantages
> of using OSM. For instance, if we present the number of OSM app downloads
> (combined 30 million or so), businesses might gain interest. Let me know if
> you/others are interested.
>
> Cheers, Johan
>
> Op vrijdag 20 september 2013 schreef Marc Gemis (marc.ge...@gmail.com):
>
> I welcomed a new user, expecting that it was related to the Kreatos
>> hairdressers company:
>>
>> their reply:
>>
>> Dank voor de informatie.
>> Weet u een manier om (meerdere) nodes (in één keer) te uploaden naar
>> OpenStreetMap? Bij Google is dit via Google Places, met een XLS of XML
>> file.
>> Heb hiervoor gezocht op de website van OpenStreetMap, maar ik raak er
>> niet meteen wijs uit?
>> De informatie zou uit en MySQL database komen, dus een api met
>> rechtstreekse import/sync mogelijkheid hiervoor zou natuurlijk nog beter
>> zijn…
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> How do I proceed ? Show them the OSM Api v0.6 ? + policy page ? Josm
>> upload ? Ask them the file and do the upload myself + verification of
>> individual points ?
>>
>> I was also wondering this week whether we could contact companies to ask
>> them to share their shops or fuel stations. What do you think about that ?
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
>>
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Hallo Johan,

I'm wiling to send out such emails to companies in Belgium, but I'm not so
good in writing those letters. It takes me more time than I'm willing to
spend to get it right. But if someone can come up with a good template, I
can do the "import" later.

I also think that we need a page that describes how companies can easily
add their POIs. This guy  (from Kreatos) did not find a page on the wiki
with some API to do so. It would be nice to have some page that describes
the different methods (e.g. JOSM + OpenData, the osm file generation
described in this thread, the import procedure, etc. ) Furthermore the page
should list some Overpass examples on how they can retrieve their shops
again. And maybe a link to leaflet, umap.openstreetmap.fr and
switch2osm.orgso they know how to visualize their data. I provided
some of this
information in my response to him. I just thought of leaftlet/umap this
morning.

So I have some ideas, but lack to time to write the proper letters and
documentation. Maybe you can add this to the dreams for OSM ?

regards

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New user: Kreatos - wants to do import of their shops

[Marc Gemis]

On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 2:39 AM, André Pirard wrote:

>  On 2013-09-20 15:55, Marc Gemis wrote :
>
> I welcomed a new user, expecting that it was related to the Kreatos
> hairdressers company:
>
>  their reply:
>
>  Dank voor de informatie.
> Weet u een manier om (meerdere) nodes (in één keer) te uploaden naar
> OpenStreetMap? Bij Google is dit via Google Places, met een XLS of XML
> file.
> Heb hiervoor gezocht op de website van OpenStreetMap, maar ik raak er niet
> meteen wijs uit?
> De informatie zou uit en MySQL database komen, dus een api met
> rechtstreekse import/sync mogelijkheid hiervoor zou natuurlijk nog beter
> zijn…
>
>
>
>  ---
>
>  How do I proceed ? Show them the OSM Api v0.6 ? + policy page ? Josm
> upload ? Ask them the file and do the upload myself + verification of
> individual points ?
>
>  I was also wondering this week whether we could contact companies to ask
> them to share their shops or fuel stations. What do you think about that ?
>
>
>  regards
>
>  m
>
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> I would create a single sample shop node in a new JOSM layer and save it
> to an *.osm file.
> A shop looks like this:
>
>   
> 
> 
>   
>
> Then I would
>
> - either edit that file, replicate the node and change whatever must
>   be changed
>   - or run a perl regexp command to transform another file to that
>   format
>- reload the result in JOSM
>- maybe check that everything is OK (esp. in the right place) or let
>them do that later
>- update OSM
>- save the *.osm file again
>
> It can also be done with waypoints in a GPX file, but I know no GPX
> extension to add OSM tags.
>
> Notes:
>
>- the IDs can be any negative number but must be different
>- it's important to "save the *.osm file again": it will contain the
>real IDs and it can help to make later mass updates
>
> If the problem is regexp, I can (most probably ;-) do it for you, but I'll
> have to find how to generate the ID.
> Send node sample and parseable flat text file (like csv).
>
> Cheers,
>   André
>

André, thanks for your input. This is the method I use to convert the pages
of Onroerend Erfgoed of Wikipedia into an OSM file using Python. All items
of 1 page end up in 1 osm file.  I copy them 1-by-1 from that layer into
the data layer, I use 2 layers in JOSM. On the data layer I merge them with
the existing data (typically using CTRL-SHIFT-g with existing building
outlines and some minor tweaks to the tags). Then I go back to the imported
layer, delete the node and move on to the next. I delete the node in the
imported layer to keep track of what I did. This is needed for larger towns
where there more than a few protected items.

I have a similar script that converts my GPX waypoints into an .osm file,
but I'm not sure that using that file is much faster than using the regular
JOSM tools.

I also used the csv method before, for the monitoring stations of the
Vlaamse Milieu Maatschappij. I think this method is easier for them, since
the generation of a csv file from a database requires less programming than
generating a .osm file. But I could have mentioned the method via direct
osm-file generation as well.

regards

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New user: Kreatos - wants to do import of their shops

[André Pirard]

On 2013-09-20 15:55, Marc Gemis wrote :
> I welcomed a new user, expecting that it was related to the Kreatos
> hairdressers company:
>
> their reply:
>
> Dank voor de informatie. 
> Weet u een manier om (meerdere) nodes (in één keer) te uploaden naar
> OpenStreetMap? Bij Google is dit via Google Places, met een XLS of XML
> file. 
> Heb hiervoor gezocht op de website van OpenStreetMap, maar ik raak er
> niet meteen wijs uit? 
> De informatie zou uit en MySQL database komen, dus een api met
> rechtstreekse import/sync mogelijkheid hiervoor zou natuurlijk nog
> beter zijn…
>
>
>
> ---
>
> How do I proceed ? Show them the OSM Api v0.6 ? + policy page ? Josm
> upload ? Ask them the file and do the upload myself + verification of
> individual points ?
>
> I was also wondering this week whether we could contact companies to
> ask them to share their shops or fuel stations. What do you think
> about that ?
>
>
> regards
>
> m
>

Hi Marc,

I would create a single sample shop node in a new JOSM layer and save it
to an *.osm file.
A shop looks like this:

  


  

Then I would

  o either edit that file, replicate the node and change whatever
must be changed
  o or run a perl regexp command to transform another file to that
format
  * reload the result in JOSM
  * maybe check that everything is OK (esp. in the right place) or let
them do that later
  * update OSM
  * save the *.osm file again

It can also be done with waypoints in a GPX file, but I know no GPX
extension to add OSM tags.

Notes: 

  * the IDs can be any negative number but must be different
  * it's important to "save the *.osm file again": it will contain the
real IDs and it can help to make later mass updates

If the problem is regexp, I can (most probably ;-) do it for you, but
I'll have to find how to generate the ID.
Send node sample and parseable flat text file (like csv).

Cheers,

André.





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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New user: Kreatos - wants to do import of their shops

[Johan C]

On your question Marc to contact companies: I have mixed experiences in the
past. Some companies (like McDonalds) were not interested in OpenStreetMap.
A situation that should change, since there are just four global players in
geodata, OSM being one of them. Our product is not worse than Google
places. probably better, because we're in open data. I like your idear,
maybe we can join forces for the Benelux. We could start having a platform
for entry of business users in OSM, showing them the advantages of using
OSM. For instance, if we present the number of OSM app downloads (combined
30 million or so), businesses might gain interest. Let me know if
you/others are interested.

Cheers, Johan

Op vrijdag 20 september 2013 schreef Marc Gemis (marc.ge...@gmail.com):

> I welcomed a new user, expecting that it was related to the Kreatos
> hairdressers company:
>
> their reply:
>
> Dank voor de informatie.
> Weet u een manier om (meerdere) nodes (in één keer) te uploaden naar
> OpenStreetMap? Bij Google is dit via Google Places, met een XLS of XML
> file.
> Heb hiervoor gezocht op de website van OpenStreetMap, maar ik raak er niet
> meteen wijs uit?
> De informatie zou uit en MySQL database komen, dus een api met
> rechtstreekse import/sync mogelijkheid hiervoor zou natuurlijk nog beter
> zijn…
>
>
>
> ---
>
> How do I proceed ? Show them the OSM Api v0.6 ? + policy page ? Josm
> upload ? Ask them the file and do the upload myself + verification of
> individual points ?
>
> I was also wondering this week whether we could contact companies to ask
> them to share their shops or fuel stations. What do you think about that ?
>
>
> regards
>
> m
>
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[OSM-talk-be] An introduction to OSMLY

[Marc Gemis]

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Aaron%20Lidman/diary/20035

it's a simple tool that should help with the import of polygons. It might
be useful for however is planning an import.

regards

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New user: Kreatos - wants to do import of their shops

[Marc Gemis]

Thanks for your input. I wrote him back with an example csv file, an
Overpass turbo query and the message that we want to help with with the
import. The mail got pretty long

have a nice weekend

m


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Jo  wrote:

> The only thing we can automate is the verification that the data remains
> up to date. The initial work needs to be done manually.
>
> Jo
>
>
> 2013/9/20 Ben Abelshausen 
>
>> How many stores do they have? If we all pitch in we could put them in
>> pretty quickly no?
>>
>> An automatic import/update will never work.
>>
>>  Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ben Abelshausen
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>>
>>> I welcomed a new user, expecting that it was related to the Kreatos
>>> hairdressers company:
>>>
>>> their reply:
>>>
>>> Dank voor de informatie.
>>> Weet u een manier om (meerdere) nodes (in één keer) te uploaden naar
>>> OpenStreetMap? Bij Google is dit via Google Places, met een XLS of XML
>>> file.
>>> Heb hiervoor gezocht op de website van OpenStreetMap, maar ik raak er
>>> niet meteen wijs uit?
>>> De informatie zou uit en MySQL database komen, dus een api met
>>> rechtstreekse import/sync mogelijkheid hiervoor zou natuurlijk nog beter
>>> zijn…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> How do I proceed ? Show them the OSM Api v0.6 ? + policy page ? Josm
>>> upload ? Ask them the file and do the upload myself + verification of
>>> individual points ?
>>>
>>> I was also wondering this week whether we could contact companies to ask
>>> them to share their shops or fuel stations. What do you think about that ?
>>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> m
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] weekly OSM news on blog.openstreetmap.de

[Julien Fastré]

2 ideas :
1/
I do worry about such weekly news : we must have human resource to 
produce them.


Maybe we should have monthly releases. We might use a 
http://framapad.org to prepare them: every month, we drop there news. 
Someone organize the framapad (an instance of etherpad), and copy them 
on the website once a month.


2/
If there are interessant article in German, we may have a team to 
translate into Duits / French (if the licence is compatible :-) ) . In 
France, http://framablog.org translate articles from English. They do 
the translation collectively, using a framapad. I regularly discover 
very interesting writer through them !


Julien

Le 17/09/13 17:42, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Marc Gemis > wrote:


De Duitse site http://blog.openstreetmap.de/ heeft een wekelijkse
"Wochennotiz". Deze lijst een aantal artikels, blog posts,
geupdate of nieuwe kaarten of software, conferenties en
belangrijke forumdraadjes op. De focus list op algemeen en Duits
nieuws, maar het een tof om eens over de grenzen te kijken. de
korte beschrijvingen bij de links zijn in het Duits, de artikels
kunnen ook in Engels zijn. Het verschijnt normaal gezien elke
woensdag, in de late namiddag.

Het komt ook voor in de lijst van http://blogs.openstreetmap.org

Ik vind het interessant om te volgen, en dacht dat er misschien
nog wel iemand interesse zou hebben.


Maybe someone could translate this for osm.be  once we 
have it completely up-and-running? Filter out the german-specific 
stuff and maybe add some local things?


Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GIS contact gemeente Mol

[Julien Fastré]

Hi,

I made a presentation of OSM in March : 
https://cloud.fastre.info/public.php?service=files&t=8b32510318f65c01778c5f95ac3b1487


Some parts might be reused, but the presentation focused on Open Data, 
and the import of Cadastre in France.


I think I may have some problem speaking in Dutch for such technical 
subject. In English it might be possible.


Julien Fastré

Le 19/09/13 20:18, Gilbert Hersschens a écrit :
Today I had a meeting with the GIS responsible for Mol. She stumbled 
"by accident" upon OSM and found some of my changes which were 
coinciding with editing work she was doing in AGIV and contacted me.
We had an interesting talk this afternoon where I gave here an 
overview about what OSM is and what's going on in BE. She concludes 
that one one hand there is a lot of duplication (compared to AGIV) in 
what we're doing - which will hopefully be reduced by importing the 
CRAB DB, but on the other hand there are also lots of potential 
synergies where the government might benefit from work done by the OSM 
community. While this is by no means a possible onset for government 
instances to use OSM i.s.o. big G as their default map in many of 
their web sites, I see this as a nice opportunity to create awareness 
and give more visibility to OSM at the level of municipalities. One 
step at a time...
She suggested that it might be interesting to present OSM on one of 
the many meetings organized for GIS staff.
I'm not expert enough to do this, so here I am looking for volunteers 
to pick this up and take it further. I can provide phone and e-mail 
contact.

Gilbert


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New user: Kreatos - wants to do import of their shops

[Jo]

The only thing we can automate is the verification that the data remains up
to date. The initial work needs to be done manually.

Jo


2013/9/20 Ben Abelshausen 

> How many stores do they have? If we all pitch in we could put them in
> pretty quickly no?
>
> An automatic import/update will never work.
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
>
> Ben Abelshausen
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>
>> I welcomed a new user, expecting that it was related to the Kreatos
>> hairdressers company:
>>
>> their reply:
>>
>> Dank voor de informatie.
>> Weet u een manier om (meerdere) nodes (in één keer) te uploaden naar
>> OpenStreetMap? Bij Google is dit via Google Places, met een XLS of XML
>> file.
>> Heb hiervoor gezocht op de website van OpenStreetMap, maar ik raak er
>> niet meteen wijs uit?
>> De informatie zou uit en MySQL database komen, dus een api met
>> rechtstreekse import/sync mogelijkheid hiervoor zou natuurlijk nog beter
>> zijn…
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> How do I proceed ? Show them the OSM Api v0.6 ? + policy page ? Josm
>> upload ? Ask them the file and do the upload myself + verification of
>> individual points ?
>>
>> I was also wondering this week whether we could contact companies to ask
>> them to share their shops or fuel stations. What do you think about that ?
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New user: Kreatos - wants to do import of their shops

[Jo]

I think it would be best to get a csv file from them with coordinates and
adress information, then do the import ourselves.

After that you can show them how to verify the information remains current
from time to time with an Overpass API query. If they are really motivated,
you can also explain them how to create building outlines and add the data
themselves according to our standards, of course.

I have already been considering something like this as some sort of
business opportunity... It's been done before in Germany. No idea how
successful that was.

Jo


2013/9/20 Marc Gemis 

> I welcomed a new user, expecting that it was related to the Kreatos
> hairdressers company:
>
> their reply:
>
> Dank voor de informatie.
> Weet u een manier om (meerdere) nodes (in één keer) te uploaden naar
> OpenStreetMap? Bij Google is dit via Google Places, met een XLS of XML
> file.
> Heb hiervoor gezocht op de website van OpenStreetMap, maar ik raak er niet
> meteen wijs uit?
> De informatie zou uit en MySQL database komen, dus een api met
> rechtstreekse import/sync mogelijkheid hiervoor zou natuurlijk nog beter
> zijn…
>
>
>
> ---
>
> How do I proceed ? Show them the OSM Api v0.6 ? + policy page ? Josm
> upload ? Ask them the file and do the upload myself + verification of
> individual points ?
>
> I was also wondering this week whether we could contact companies to ask
> them to share their shops or fuel stations. What do you think about that ?
>
>
> regards
>
> m
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New user: Kreatos - wants to do import of their shops

[Ben Abelshausen]

How many stores do they have? If we all pitch in we could put them in
pretty quickly no?

An automatic import/update will never work.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> I welcomed a new user, expecting that it was related to the Kreatos
> hairdressers company:
>
> their reply:
>
> Dank voor de informatie.
> Weet u een manier om (meerdere) nodes (in één keer) te uploaden naar
> OpenStreetMap? Bij Google is dit via Google Places, met een XLS of XML
> file.
> Heb hiervoor gezocht op de website van OpenStreetMap, maar ik raak er niet
> meteen wijs uit?
> De informatie zou uit en MySQL database komen, dus een api met
> rechtstreekse import/sync mogelijkheid hiervoor zou natuurlijk nog beter
> zijn…
>
>
>
> ---
>
> How do I proceed ? Show them the OSM Api v0.6 ? + policy page ? Josm
> upload ? Ask them the file and do the upload myself + verification of
> individual points ?
>
> I was also wondering this week whether we could contact companies to ask
> them to share their shops or fuel stations. What do you think about that ?
>
>
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>
> m
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[OSM-talk-be] New user: Kreatos - wants to do import of their shops

[Marc Gemis]

I welcomed a new user, expecting that it was related to the Kreatos
hairdressers company:

their reply:

Dank voor de informatie.
Weet u een manier om (meerdere) nodes (in één keer) te uploaden naar
OpenStreetMap? Bij Google is dit via Google Places, met een XLS of XML
file.
Heb hiervoor gezocht op de website van OpenStreetMap, maar ik raak er niet
meteen wijs uit?
De informatie zou uit en MySQL database komen, dus een api met
rechtstreekse import/sync mogelijkheid hiervoor zou natuurlijk nog beter
zijn…



---

How do I proceed ? Show them the OSM Api v0.6 ? + policy page ? Josm upload
? Ask them the file and do the upload myself + verification of individual
points ?

I was also wondering this week whether we could contact companies to ask
them to share their shops or fuel stations. What do you think about that ?


regards

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