Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution in Schamper
+1 2015-05-12 19:28 GMT+02:00 Ruben Maes ru...@janmaes.com: Hello list The student magazine Schamper published two maps without attribution in their latest publication. (http://www.schamper.ugent.be/files/pdf/555.pdf, maps on page 39, and on the latest page) I have composed this letter (in Dutch): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:M!dgard/Brief_Schamper If there is no negative feedback, I'm planning to send it by email this Friday, May 15th. Groeten Ruben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution in Schamper
Hello list The student magazine Schamper published two maps without attribution in their latest publication. (http://www.schamper.ugent.be/files/pdf/555.pdf, maps on page 39, and on the latest page) I have composed this letter (in Dutch): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:M!dgard/Brief_Schamper If there is no negative feedback, I'm planning to send it by email this Friday, May 15th. Groeten Ruben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution in Schamper
Hallo Ruben, Dat ziet er zeker OK uit. Groeten, Jo 2015-05-12 19:28 GMT+02:00 Ruben Maes ru...@janmaes.com: Hello list The student magazine Schamper published two maps without attribution in their latest publication. (http://www.schamper.ugent.be/files/pdf/555.pdf, maps on page 39, and on the latest page) I have composed this letter (in Dutch): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:M!dgard/Brief_Schamper If there is no negative feedback, I'm planning to send it by email this Friday, May 15th. Groeten Ruben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
2015-03-20 14:01 GMT+01:00 Ruben Maes ru...@janmaes.com: They are OK with us copying the toilets. If we mention the city of Ostend as a source, they ask to also include the year of publication of the version we used, because it is updated each year. So that's good news. :) Mention the source in the changeset comment, is that what you/they mean ? regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
*Nederlands beneden* == English == I sent the mail today and I already received an answer. They confirm that they used OSM and will include the required attribution in future publications, including new revisions of the plasplan. The toilet locations in the plasplan are currently being updated and a new version of it will be printed in the near future. There are no more plasplans from 2014 in stock. They are OK with us copying the toilets. If we mention the city of Ostend as a source, they ask to also include the year of publication of the version we used, because it is updated each year. So that's good news. :) Being able to give the map a custom style sounds interesting to them. The person who answered my email (who was not the one to whom I sent my email) will look into the possibilities of OSM shortly. Perhaps someone could offer them a hand? == Nederlands == Ik heb de mail vandaag verstuurd en ik heb al een antwoord gekregen. Ze bevestigen dat ze OSM gebruiken en ze zullen de nodige verwijzing maken in toekomstige publicaties, waaronder nieuwe uitgaven van het plasplan. The toiletlocaties worden momenteel geüpdatet en een nieuwe versie zal binnenkort worden gedrukt. Er zijn geen plasplannen van 2014 meer in voorraad. We mogen van hen de toiletlocaties overnemen. Als we stad Oostende als bron vermelden, zouden ze graag hebben dat we ook het jaartal vermelden van de versie van het plasplan die we gebruiken, omdat het elk jaar wordt bijgewerkt. Dat is dus goed nieuws. :) De kaart een eigen stijl kunnen geven lijkt hun interessant. De persoon die mijn e-mail beantwoordde (die niet dezelfde was als degene naar wie ik mijn mail had gestuurd) zal eerstdaags naar de mogelijkheden van OSM kijken. Misschien zou iemand kunnen voorstellen een handje te helpen? ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
2015-03-20 14:21 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: Mention the source in the changeset comment, is that what you/they mean ? regards m I think they don't really know how we provide source information. I think it would be easiest to indeed use a source on the changeset, and also put them on the wiki page (but it doesn't really make much sense to include a year there, because we can use all of the revisions). ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
Could you please help me out with properly referring to umap/maperitive? Actually I'm interested in even making a map style of my own but I have not looked into it deep enough. I've tried something out: http://piratepad.net/H7J6nGybr7 You should all be able to edit this. Thanks Ruben/M!dgard PS: I'm not from Ostend and the only thing I can remember doing there was while adding all the beaches in Belgium, back in my very early days. ;) 2015-02-02 12:59 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: 2015-02-02 12:55 GMT+01:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Asking to free the toilets dataset wouldn't hurt either (they don't even have to do anything technically, we can just copy it from the OSM-based printed map and the listed addresses). Is that after they'd give their consent to do so? Or is the fact they used OSM as the background enough to have freed that dataset? That would be very surprising. That's after their agreement. Displaying different datasets on top of each other (without mixing them) doesn't trigger the share-alike clause. Anyway, I agree that it would be far better if we could include those bathrooms in our data. At that point they could render a map based solely on OSM with an empasis on what they deem important to show on such a map. I think it's important to tell it to them that way. Maybe point them to umap or maperitive as well. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
Since you're a mapper in Ostend, your data is probably also on the map, which makes you one of the copyright holders. So you can even write the mail in your own name. The letter is good, though I wouldn't only ask attribution for the future publications. I'd also ask to add attribution to the already-printed publications. This is possible with a small cheap sticker, so not too difficult either. Asking to free the toilets dataset wouldn't hurt either (they don't even have to do anything technically, we can just copy it from the OSM-based printed map and the listed addresses). Thanks for working on this, Sander Op 2 februari 2015 10:56 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Idd, goede brief trouwens. Laat hem dit zien: They got your pee covered down below: https://toiletmap.gov.au/ On 02-02-15 09:39, Ben Abelshausen wrote: Ziet er goed uit... En het zou inderdaad geen kwaad kunnen om ff te vragen naar de beschikbaarheid van de toiletten-database voor hoogdringende sanitaire stops in Oostende! :-) Je kan hem ook gewoon mailen denk ik: http://www.oostende.be/persoon.aspx?id=2247 ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
Idd, goede brief trouwens. Laat hem dit zien: They got your pee covered down below: https://toiletmap.gov.au/ On 02-02-15 09:39, Ben Abelshausen wrote: Ziet er goed uit... En het zou inderdaad geen kwaad kunnen om ff te vragen naar de beschikbaarheid van de toiletten-database voor hoogdringende sanitaire stops in Oostende! :-) Je kan hem ook gewoon mailen denk ik: http://www.oostende.be/persoon.aspx?id=2247 ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
Asking to free the toilets dataset wouldn't hurt either (they don't even have to do anything technically, we can just copy it from the OSM-based printed map and the listed addresses). Is that after they'd give their consent to do so? Or is the fact they used OSM as the background enough to have freed that dataset? That would be very surprising. Anyway, I agree that it would be far better if we could include those bathrooms in our data. At that point they could render a map based solely on OSM with an empasis on what they deem important to show on such a map. I think it's important to tell it to them that way. Maybe point them to umap or maperitive as well. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
2015-02-02 12:55 GMT+01:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Asking to free the toilets dataset wouldn't hurt either (they don't even have to do anything technically, we can just copy it from the OSM-based printed map and the listed addresses). Is that after they'd give their consent to do so? Or is the fact they used OSM as the background enough to have freed that dataset? That would be very surprising. That's after their agreement. Displaying different datasets on top of each other (without mixing them) doesn't trigger the share-alike clause. Anyway, I agree that it would be far better if we could include those bathrooms in our data. At that point they could render a map based solely on OSM with an empasis on what they deem important to show on such a map. I think it's important to tell it to them that way. Maybe point them to umap or maperitive as well. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
please note that the umap servers only allow non-commercial use. They could install their own instance of course regards m On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Ruben Maes ru...@janmaes.com wrote: Could you please help me out with properly referring to umap/maperitive? Actually I'm interested in even making a map style of my own but I have not looked into it deep enough. I've tried something out: http://piratepad.net/H7J6nGybr7 You should all be able to edit this. Thanks Ruben/M!dgard PS: I'm not from Ostend and the only thing I can remember doing there was while adding all the beaches in Belgium, back in my very early days. ;) 2015-02-02 12:59 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: 2015-02-02 12:55 GMT+01:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Asking to free the toilets dataset wouldn't hurt either (they don't even have to do anything technically, we can just copy it from the OSM-based printed map and the listed addresses). Is that after they'd give their consent to do so? Or is the fact they used OSM as the background enough to have freed that dataset? That would be very surprising. That's after their agreement. Displaying different datasets on top of each other (without mixing them) doesn't trigger the share-alike clause. Anyway, I agree that it would be far better if we could include those bathrooms in our data. At that point they could render a map based solely on OSM with an empasis on what they deem important to show on such a map. I think it's important to tell it to them that way. Maybe point them to umap or maperitive as well. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
Maybe add a little section about adding his dataset to OSM instead of just projecting it on top of it! In the UK they recently had a similar project https://gailknight.wordpress.com/2014/11/25/the-great-british-public-toilet-map/ Tagging schema is present: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets I don't see them in OSM : http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7qk Glenn On 01-02-15 23:49, Ruben Maes wrote: *Nederlands beneden* == English == Today I went to the cinema. There was a flyer rack there with this peeing map. It sports a map showing toilet locations, and it's clearly OpenStreetMap. This is the big part of the map on OSM: http://osm.org/#map=15/51.2210/2.9109 Le me of course super-enthousiastic. (My girlfriend as well, she's a casual mapper!) That is, until I found out there was no attribution to OSM whatsoever. This was on the front: responsible publisher: Kristof Beuren, town's secretary, Vindictivelaan 1, Ostend I was thinking about sending him a letter like this, what do you think? Any objections/remarks? (see Dutch below; the letter applauds the use of OSM data but asks to include a copyright notice) M!dgard == Nederlands == Vandaag ging ik naar de cinema. Er was een folderrekje en dit plasplan lag daar in. Er staat een kaart op met toiletlocaties, en het is duidelijk OpenStreetMap. Dit is de grote kaart op OSM: http://osm.org/#map=15/51.2210/2.9109 Ik natuurlijk superenthousiast. (Mijn vriendin ook, ze is een occasionele mapper!) Mijn enthousiasme was een beetje over toen ik zag dat er helemaal geen vermelding van OSM op stond. Dit stond op de voorkant: v.u.: Kristof Beuren, stadssecretaris, Vindictivelaan 1, Oostende Ik denk eraan hem een brief als deze te sturen, wat denken jullie? Enige bezwaren/suggesties? M!dgard == Brief == Geachte heer Beuren Ik schrijf u namens het OpenStreetMap-team van België. De stad Oostende heeft een plasplan gepubliceerd met een kaart waarop openbare toiletten zijn aangegeven. Gezien de grote overeenkomsten tussen de kaartgegevens op de publicatie en de gegevens van ons project, veronderstellen wij dat u OpenStreetMap-data gebruikt. Het deed ons plezier dat te zien, aangezien we een open project zijn dat dit expliciet aanmoedigt. Dit gebruik is kosteloos, we vragen alleen een eenvoudige verwijzing naar ons project op te nemen, bijvoorbeeld: © OpenStreetMap-bijdragers. Zie openstreetmap.org/copyright. Meer informatie hierover kunt u zelf ook op openstreetmap.org/copyright vinden. We moedigen het gebruik van onze kaart graag aan en vragen enkel deze vermelding op te nemen in toekomstige publicaties. Alvast hartelijk bedankt. Namens OpenStreetMap België, Ruben Maes ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Everything is going to be 200 OK. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Map without attribution
Ziet er goed uit... En het zou inderdaad geen kwaad kunnen om ff te vragen naar de beschikbaarheid van de toiletten-database voor hoogdringende sanitaire stops in Oostende! :-) Je kan hem ook gewoon mailen denk ik: http://www.oostende.be/persoon.aspx?id=2247 Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen 2015-02-02 9:32 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Maybe add a little section about adding his dataset to OSM instead of just projecting it on top of it! In the UK they recently had a similar project https://gailknight.wordpress.com/2014/11/25/the-great-british-public-toilet-map/ Tagging schema is present: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets I don't see them in OSM : http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7qk Glenn On 01-02-15 23:49, Ruben Maes wrote: *Nederlands beneden* == English == Today I went to the cinema. There was a flyer rack there with this peeing map. It sports a map showing toilet locations, and it's clearly OpenStreetMap. This is the big part of the map on OSM: http://osm.org/#map=15/51.2210/2.9109 Le me of course super-enthousiastic. (My girlfriend as well, she's a casual mapper!) That is, until I found out there was no attribution to OSM whatsoever. This was on the front: responsible publisher: Kristof Beuren, town's secretary, Vindictivelaan 1, Ostend I was thinking about sending him a letter like this, what do you think? Any objections/remarks? (see Dutch below; the letter applauds the use of OSM data but asks to include a copyright notice) M!dgard == Nederlands == Vandaag ging ik naar de cinema. Er was een folderrekje en dit plasplan lag daar in. Er staat een kaart op met toiletlocaties, en het is duidelijk OpenStreetMap. Dit is de grote kaart op OSM: http://osm.org/#map=15/51.2210/2.9109 Ik natuurlijk superenthousiast. (Mijn vriendin ook, ze is een occasionele mapper!) Mijn enthousiasme was een beetje over toen ik zag dat er helemaal geen vermelding van OSM op stond. Dit stond op de voorkant: v.u.: Kristof Beuren, stadssecretaris, Vindictivelaan 1, Oostende Ik denk eraan hem een brief als deze te sturen, wat denken jullie? Enige bezwaren/suggesties? M!dgard == Brief == Geachte heer Beuren Ik schrijf u namens het OpenStreetMap-team van België. De stad Oostende heeft een plasplan gepubliceerd met een kaart waarop openbare toiletten zijn aangegeven. Gezien de grote overeenkomsten tussen de kaartgegevens op de publicatie en de gegevens van ons project, veronderstellen wij dat u OpenStreetMap-data gebruikt. Het deed ons plezier dat te zien, aangezien we een open project zijn dat dit expliciet aanmoedigt. Dit gebruik is kosteloos, we vragen alleen een eenvoudige verwijzing naar ons project op te nemen, bijvoorbeeld: © OpenStreetMap-bijdragers. Zie openstreetmap.org/copyright. Meer informatie hierover kunt u zelf ook op openstreetmap.org/copyright vinden. We moedigen het gebruik van onze kaart graag aan en vragen enkel deze vermelding op te nemen in toekomstige publicaties. Alvast hartelijk bedankt. Namens OpenStreetMap België, Ruben Maes ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Everything is going to be 200 OK. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
