Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
À prendre en compte ? Entre autres événements, la compétition et la finale du championnat de football Euro2016 : 10 juillet 2016 2015-03-12 15:00 GMT+01:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: Je proposerai bien un SOTM 2016 à Paris... vu que la proposition pour 2015 n'avait pas eu de réponse. Pour le lieu, Jean avait des pistes du côté de la Ville de Paris, je vais voir de mon côté sur d'autres sites que j'ai repéré. Pour la date, je verrai plutôt ça vers l'été ou l'automne. Qu'en pensez-vous ? Le 10/03/2015 22:36, Emilie Laffray a écrit : Pour ceux que ca interesse. -- Forwarded message -- From: *Richard Weait* rich...@weait.com mailto:rich...@weait.com Date: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:16 PM Subject: Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016 The Call for Venues for State of the Map 2016 is now open. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues Build a team for your city and bid to host the OpenStreetMap conference. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
On s'oriente plutôt sur l'automne... ça laisse le champ libre au printemps à des SOTM nationaux, à l'été à des SOTM continentaux et à l'automne on termine l'année en beauté ;) Le 22/03/2015 12:01, althio a écrit : À prendre en compte ? Entre autres événements, la compétition et la finale du championnat de football Euro2016 : 10 juillet 2016 2015-03-12 15:00 GMT+01:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: Je proposerai bien un SOTM 2016 à Paris... vu que la proposition pour 2015 n'avait pas eu de réponse. Pour le lieu, Jean avait des pistes du côté de la Ville de Paris, je vais voir de mon côté sur d'autres sites que j'ai repéré. Pour la date, je verrai plutôt ça vers l'été ou l'automne. Qu'en pensez-vous ? Le 10/03/2015 22:36, Emilie Laffray a écrit : Pour ceux que ca interesse. -- Forwarded message -- From: *Richard Weait* rich...@weait.com mailto:rich...@weait.com mailto:rich...@weait.com mailto:rich...@weait.com Date: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:16 PM Subject: Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016 The Call for Venues for State of the Map 2016 is now open. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues Build a team for your city and bid to host the OpenStreetMap conference. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Hi, We need to be careful not to burn up everybody and make sure we don't overstep on what we can handle. There are still just about 5-8 people willing to contribute in some way so I think it's risky to start doing too much too soon. I think it's a good idea to organize smaller mapping events, like mapping parties, and then to go for organizing SOTM-2016. Having two conferences/events may be a bit much. I think it's possible to submit a proposal for SOTM-2016 and if it fails we can always try to organize SOTM-EU (maybe with OSM-FR, I heard there have been some vague plans for this) or SOTM-BE. We should be able to finance this with only sponsors from the OSM-world as has been done in the past. For sure if we get the venue from ULB. I think our priority should be, apart from ongoing mapping parties and meetups, to do this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues And to talk about how/who/when as soon as possible. We can reuse all our efforts and the same group of people that has submitted the proposal for SOTM-EU or SOTM-BE. I think we need to focus on a clear goal, and SOTM 2016 could be just what we need! Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Hi, Very ambitious, I like the idea lot! That being said I also have my doubts but maybe that should not stop us of entertaining the idea. I also like Julien's idea of doing a SOTM Belgium. Anyway, you will have my full support in any of these initiatives. I also think that if we would organize the global SOTM we can count on some support from Open Belgium. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Hi everyone, Just my two cents on SOTM-2016. -Organising Open Belgium 2015 cost OKFN Belgium around 3 months of fulltime work as organiser, with two other co-organisers and a communication partner. Something like this is even harder if it not your full time job and especially when your audience is spread around the globe. -But having a location and ULB as a venue partner is a great advantage. You can use it’s proximity to the NL / DE border as a positive way to show that it is strategically located. Having a fixed point like that is good for your proposal. -Even if most of the organising is done by volunteers, beware that costs pile up quickly, maybe it would be wise to contact the people from Karlsruhe (SOT-EU 14) and Birmingham (SOTM-global 13) to see what their challenges were, what do you need to consider ask for a broad estimation of the costs (financially and in time / manpower). This will give you a clear vision of what assets you need to make this a success. If you want help with the proposal let us know :). We can even co-organise the whole event if you want, we can see if we can find some commercial funding to make this possible. Kind regards, Pieter-Jan Pieter-Jan Pauwels Community Coordinator, Open Knowledge Belgium m: +32 476 66 27 77 tel:+32 476 66 27 77 | e: pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org mailto:pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org | w: okfn.be http://okfn.be/ On 12 Mar 2015, at 09:40, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We need to be careful not to burn up everybody and make sure we don't overstep on what we can handle. There are still just about 5-8 people willing to contribute in some way so I think it's risky to start doing too much too soon. I think it's a good idea to organize smaller mapping events, like mapping parties, and then to go for organizing SOTM-2016. Having two conferences/events may be a bit much. I think it's possible to submit a proposal for SOTM-2016 and if it fails we can always try to organize SOTM-EU (maybe with OSM-FR, I heard there have been some vague plans for this) or SOTM-BE. We should be able to finance this with only sponsors from the OSM-world as has been done in the past. For sure if we get the venue from ULB. I think our priority should be, apart from ongoing mapping parties and meetups, to do this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues And to talk about how/who/when as soon as possible. We can reuse all our efforts and the same group of people that has submitted the proposal for SOTM-EU or SOTM-BE. I think we need to focus on a clear goal, and SOTM 2016 could be just what we need! Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Hello Pieter-Jan, -Organising Open Belgium 2015 cost OKFN Belgium around 3 months of fulltime work as organiser, with two other co-organisers and a communication partner. Something like this is even harder if it not your full time job and especially when your audience is spread around the globe. indeed. We have (abelli) the experience with the organisation at ULB of the RMLL 2013. See http://2013.rmll.info -But having a location and ULB as a venue partner is a great advantage. You can use it’s proximity to the NL / DE border as a positive way to show that it is strategically located. Having a fixed point like that is good for your proposal. I am quite sure I can get ULB for a reasonable amount. What would be the best dates ? (question to all) -Even if most of the organising is done by volunteers, beware that costs pile up quickly, maybe it would be wise to contact the people from Karlsruhe (SOT-EU 14) and Birmingham (SOTM-global 13) to see what their challenges were, what do you need to consider ask for a broad estimation of the costs (financially and in time / manpower). indeed. Could you please get in touch with these teams and get these informations ? This will give you a clear vision of what assets you need to make this a success. indeed If you want help with the proposal let us know :). We can even co-organise the whole event if you want, we can see if we can find some commercial funding to make this possible. I would very much like that OKFN Be be a coorgannizer and that, for the work done, you get paid as well as anyone who would like to get paid reasonnably for the word done (and appreciated by the community). But for me, as much as possible, like RMLL and Fosdem, the event must be freely accessible. Best regards, Nicolas ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Much thanks Ben for the clear proposal. I propose to focus on SOTM 2016 at ULB as our main goal and then, as fall back to have SOTM-Eu with France if possible (Gael Musquet, former president of OSM-fr will be in Brussels on April 25 as he told me at OpenBelgium) or SOTM-Be. Let's go and prepare in the wiki what is indicated in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues Met vriendelijk groeten, Best regards, Cordialement, Nicolas ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Great, Check with the ULB, if they have done things like RMLL, FOSDEM and so on, they should have a package deal specifically for such events. About the dates: It depends on your target audience and local events (Belgian / ULB local). So not to close to holiday periods (summer is possible though) or when they are other global / EU / Local events attracting the same target audience. Having smaller local events to build up to the main event is however a smart choice. Making this a free and accessible event is something I support you in completely. However, it is a big challenge. I didn’t like charging people 130 euros to go to Open Belgium 15 but even then it wasn’t nearly enough to cover for all the costs, even while doubling the amount of sponsors from last year. The fact that this was a commercial venue did not help us though. Kind regards, Pieter-Jan Pieter-Jan Pauwels Community Coordinator, Open Knowledge Belgium m: +32 476 66 27 77 tel:+32 476 66 27 77 | e: pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org mailto:pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org | w: okfn.be http://okfn.be/ On 12 Mar 2015, at 10:11, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be wrote: Hello Pieter-Jan, -Organising Open Belgium 2015 cost OKFN Belgium around 3 months of fulltime work as organiser, with two other co-organisers and a communication partner. Something like this is even harder if it not your full time job and especially when your audience is spread around the globe. indeed. We have (abelli) the experience with the organisation at ULB of the RMLL 2013. See http://2013.rmll.info http://2013.rmll.info/ -But having a location and ULB as a venue partner is a great advantage. You can use it’s proximity to the NL / DE border as a positive way to show that it is strategically located. Having a fixed point like that is good for your proposal. I am quite sure I can get ULB for a reasonable amount. What would be the best dates ? (question to all) -Even if most of the organising is done by volunteers, beware that costs pile up quickly, maybe it would be wise to contact the people from Karlsruhe (SOT-EU 14) and Birmingham (SOTM-global 13) to see what their challenges were, what do you need to consider ask for a broad estimation of the costs (financially and in time / manpower). indeed. Could you please get in touch with these teams and get these informations ? This will give you a clear vision of what assets you need to make this a success. indeed If you want help with the proposal let us know :). We can even co-organise the whole event if you want, we can see if we can find some commercial funding to make this possible. I would very much like that OKFN Be be a coorgannizer and that, for the work done, you get paid as well as anyone who would like to get paid reasonnably for the word done (and appreciated by the community). But for me, as much as possible, like RMLL and Fosdem, the event must be freely accessible. Best regards, Nicolas ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Hi, It's maybe a bit quick to start discussing details like this :-) If we have won the SOTM-2016 bid we will get help from the OpenStreetMap Foundation team dedicated to organizing this. We should put together all the necessary details for the bid the rest we can do later. There is no quarantee whatsoever we will win this bid. There was a great proposal from Toronto last year, so I'm assuming they will try again this year: Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
I think that State of the map belgium is a more wise choice. But sometimes it is worthful to not being too wise... I'm ok to help but I have also a lot of work... On 11 March 2015 at 12:07, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks Pieter-Jan for keeping an eye on things as always! ;-) On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org wrote: One of the ideas for the next Open Belgium Conferences was even to have a specific main theme (eg. OSM) each year in stead of trying to cover every Open Knowledge aspect. The more I think about this, the more I think we can do this. We can even show we have experience organizing great events! ;-) We should try and meetup with the OSM-people willing to help and setup a roadmap to submit a proposal by the 16th of april. The fact that we are even considering this is already a win for me! Cheers, Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- et en avant pour de folles aventures... ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/06/22/why-sotm-eu-was-awesome/ I think if we're going to do it, we should do it right. Brussels is a great location for such a conference. The ULB campus has proven to be a great venue, look at FOSDEM, RMLL, Odoo (back when they were still OpenERP). Jo 2015-03-11 18:33 GMT+01:00 Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com: I think that State of the map belgium is a more wise choice. But sometimes it is worthful to not being too wise... I'm ok to help but I have also a lot of work... On 11 March 2015 at 12:07, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks Pieter-Jan for keeping an eye on things as always! ;-) On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org wrote: One of the ideas for the next Open Belgium Conferences was even to have a specific main theme (eg. OSM) each year in stead of trying to cover every Open Knowledge aspect. The more I think about this, the more I think we can do this. We can even show we have experience organizing great events! ;-) We should try and meetup with the OSM-people willing to help and setup a roadmap to submit a proposal by the 16th of april. The fact that we are even considering this is already a win for me! Cheers, Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- et en avant pour de folles aventures... ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Le mer 11 mar 2015 à 19:59, Jo winfi...@gmail.com a écrit : http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/06/22/why-sotm-eu-was-awesome/ I think if we're going to do it, we should do it right. Brussels is a great location for such a conference. The ULB campus has proven to be a great venue, look at FOSDEM, RMLL, Odoo (back when they were still OpenERP). indeed. At the beginning of May, I have an appointment with the president of ULB and its administrator. I proposed that ULB hosts RMLL. I am ready to propose that ULB hosts STOM. Yes, definitively, SOTM-Belgium would be a good start, but with Fosdem and RMLL experiences, and enough people, I think we can definitively aim at SOTM. Now, we just need to build the file and enter a good proposal. I'll meet soon ministers and try to get money for other projects related to free software, open access, open data. OSM is only the next step. What about organising in the beginning of 2016 SOTM-Belgium to get some traction, and that during only a week-end (like Fosdem). We could advertise during Fosdem and also before at different local events. Then we could go larger for a full blown SOTM at the beginning of September 2016. What do you think of such a proposal ? I am ready also to propose it to the team that is behind the organisation of the associalibre.be activity of free software for associations on April 24 (where you are all welcome). And where Julien will come and hopefully help with the planned OSM activity. Best regards, Nicolas ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Le mer 11 mar 2015 à 7:15, Jo winfi...@gmail.com a écrit : Hmm, the wiki recommends a team of 3+ people. I dismissed the idea yesterday (when I read that call for venue), as I thought it would rather take a 20+ people team and we don't have that. You can count me in, but I only count for 50%... I would like us to be at least 5 . Yes, I think 20+ is needed for the event itself NP ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Hmm, the wiki recommends a team of 3+ people. I dismissed the idea yesterday (when I read that call for venue), as I thought it would rather take a 20+ people team and we don't have that. You can count me in, but I only count for 50%... Jo 2015-03-11 5:23 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be: Dear all, I have proposed and obtained that RMLL be organised in Brussels in July 2013. I would like to propose that State of the map be organised at ULB in Brussels in 2016. Who would help in structuring the dossier and later help with the local organization ? Much thanks, Nicolas PS I think that organizing such an event can help to structure our community and strengthen the use of OSM in Belgium -- Message transféré -- From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Date: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:16 PM Subject: Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016 The Call for Venues for State of the Map 2016 is now open. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues Build a team for your city and bid to host the OpenStreetMap conference. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Hi, Thanks Pieter-Jan for keeping an eye on things as always! ;-) On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org wrote: One of the ideas for the next Open Belgium Conferences was even to have a specific main theme (eg. OSM) each year in stead of trying to cover every Open Knowledge aspect. The more I think about this, the more I think we can do this. We can even show we have experience organizing great events! ;-) We should try and meetup with the OSM-people willing to help and setup a roadmap to submit a proposal by the 16th of april. The fact that we are even considering this is already a win for me! Cheers, Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Hello all, As Ben said, if there is any need in support for organising this, we’d be happy to help. One of the ideas for the next Open Belgium Conferences was even to have a specific main theme (eg. OSM) each year in stead of trying to cover every Open Knowledge aspect. So feel free to keep me in the loop or to activate me when possible. Kind regards, Pieter-Jan Pieter-Jan Pauwels Community Coordinator, Open Knowledge Belgium m: +32 476 66 27 77 tel:+32 476 66 27 77 | e: pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org mailto:pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org | w: okfn.be http://okfn.be/ On 11 Mar 2015, at 11:17, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Very ambitious, I like the idea lot! That being said I also have my doubts but maybe that should not stop us of entertaining the idea. I also like Julien's idea of doing a SOTM Belgium. Anyway, you will have my full support in any of these initiatives. I also think that if we would organize the global SOTM we can count on some support from Open Belgium. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
I was wondering if we should not organize a state of the map belgium first, to train us. I think this should also strengthen our community and make speak about us. This is also the [occasion/gelegenheid] to invite people from administrations, companies, ... who are curious about OSM and are wondering about how to participate. Julien Le 11/03/15 08:12, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit : Le mer 11 mar 2015 à 7:15, Jo winfi...@gmail.com a écrit : Hmm, the wiki recommends a team of 3+ people. I dismissed the idea yesterday (when I read that call for venue), as I thought it would rather take a 20+ people team and we don't have that. You can count me in, but I only count for 50%... I would like us to be at least 5 . Yes, I think 20+ is needed for the event itself NP ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
Hello, I am meeting Noël Van Herreweghe (Adviseur eGovernment, Programmamanager Open Data) who was the official representative of Vlanderen at OpenBelgium this Friday Maart 13 afternoon in Gent to speak about the project I have to make an international conference about OpenAccess on Sunday 25 octobre 2015 in Brussels (with the support of many academic and hopefully a large amount of public money). We could (the OSM-Be community) be present at that time as well. If some of you (at least 4 people) tell me here that they would support, I'll propose to Mr Van Herreweghe that we hold a SOTM-Be conference first at the beginning of next year (February or March) to get going and then a full blown SOTM conference in beginning of September. One of the thing I would very much like that we get is at least the start of a officially supported OpenSeaMap of the Belgian coast (the sand up to the lower tide line belongs to Flanders, the sea belongs to federal Belgium) with a community gathered bathymetric data (read more on http://depth.openseamap.org/) With the help of the state (both Vlaanderen en Belgium) we could equip some leisure boats that are at Nieuwpoort, Oostende, Blankenberghe, Zeebrugge with the inexpensive equipment ( http://depth.openseamap.org/#introduction and http://seesea.sourceforge.net/datalogger/index.html) and start collecting the data, gathering them all in OSM and them producing the very best sea maps with depth of the world. With worldeader dredgers in Belgium (Jan De Nul and De Cloedt for example) and a full blown sea map with crowdsourced bathylmetric data, Belgium could be proud. For those who already own a depth measurer (un profondimètre électronique) coupled to a GPS, adding such a cheap logging device is simple. Uploading the data is also simple and cheap. Navigating in the summer is a pleasure. Soon we'll have good maps of the seaground next to our coast to show at both Belgian and world SOTM next year. I may be dreaming, but I think that with your help we could make it become true. And OpenKnowledgeBelgium could be the main organizer, with some public support. It would make a lot of sense to organize Belgian SOTM in a sea city (either Oostend or Antwerpen), and then the main SOTM in Brussels. What do you think ? Best regards, Nicolas ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
