Re: [OSM-talk-be] Temporary Blocker roads

[Marc Gemis]

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Ben Laenen  wrote:
> example put an access=no on a road that's closed for a month, and during that
> month someone else makes a dump of the data and now that dump will have an
> inaccessible road until a new dump is made, maybe several months later. Or

I know this is the argument that you hear over and over, but I find it
rather weak.
If you make a dump now and I make a correction a second later (any
change, e.g. direction of one-way, maxspeed, streetname, add a new
street, put a barrier on a road (so-called permanent changes)), you
also do not have the correct information until you make a new dump.

And the other one: forget to change the tag back: what if I forget to
add a new, permanent bollard ? Then the data is also incorrect until
someone adds it.

Anyhow, the Fietsbrug across the Dijle has now an access tag = no. And
it's in my agenda to check it again at the end of August.

There is an abandoned proposal
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/temporary , but
it's hardly used I think

regards

m

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Temporary Blocker roads

[Ben Laenen]

On Tuesday 05 April 2016 12:12:15 Marc Gemis wrote:
> I'll probably do it (access=no) for the "fietsbrug" near Rumst, since
> it will be closed from May to Sep.
> I'll place a reminder in my agenda to go check it and update it in
> September.

We need some proper international rules for those temporary closures, and 
better tags that are actually supported. The problem now is that you for 
example put an access=no on a road that's closed for a month, and during that 
month someone else makes a dump of the data and now that dump will have an 
inaccessible road until a new dump is made, maybe several months later. Or 
worse, someone forgets to remove the tags when the road has opened again and 
then it stays like that until someone happens upon it.

Personally I refrain from tagging temporarily blocked roads unless it takes 
longer than half a year or so. But a proper solution should really come from 
the international community if we want something that's supported across 
different applications.

Ben


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Temporary Blocker roads

[Stijn Rombauts]

I think it only makes sense to change or add tags because of roadworks if you 
know very well what's the exact situation. Is (a part of) a road really 
completely unaccessible (access=no) or is it access=destination? Which other 
measures have been taken to prevent cut-through traffic?  E.g. in this case you 
can't cross the Liersesteenweg anymore at the intersection with the Mechelbaan. 
Because if you don't add them too, the GPS will still make mistakes.
StijnRR

  From: Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>
 To: Frank Vdm <vdmfrank...@gmail.com>; OpenStreetMap Belgium 
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 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 12:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Temporary Blocker roads
   
The only thing that is recognized by most/all routers is "vehicle=no"
(or access=no)
But you have to change that tag when the road is open again. And
afterwards it takes some time before all routers have updated their
database. Not to mention the users of those navigation apps.
So they will have to make a detour until the data is updated.

The one you mention (temporary) is nice, but has no support AFIAK.

I'll probably do it (access=no) for the "fietsbrug" near Rumst, since
it will be closed from May to Sep.
I'll place a reminder in my agenda to go check it and update it in September.

m

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Jakka <vdmfrank...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How to resolve this note?
>
> Roads blocked already for long period .
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/539156#map=17/51.05132/4.72987
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/temporary
>
> PS how do a search in the archiefs of mailing list???
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Temporary Blocker roads

[Marc Gemis]

The only thing that is recognized by most/all routers is "vehicle=no"
(or access=no)
But you have to change that tag when the road is open again. And
afterwards it takes some time before all routers have updated their
database. Not to mention the users of those navigation apps.
So they will have to make a detour until the data is updated.

The one you mention (temporary) is nice, but has no support AFIAK.

I'll probably do it (access=no) for the "fietsbrug" near Rumst, since
it will be closed from May to Sep.
I'll place a reminder in my agenda to go check it and update it in September.

m

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Jakka  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How to resolve this note?
>
> Roads blocked already for long period .
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/539156#map=17/51.05132/4.72987
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/temporary
>
> PS how do a search in the archiefs of mailing list???
>
>
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