Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 120, Issue 53

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Jonathan Brown  wrote:

> Hi, Keith. I’m in the same predicament. The OSM community tell me that it
> may be possible, but not in the short run. We are using the BC2020i
> framework for our March 29 event that Durham Region’s Open Data folks are
> hosting. One idea is to have the students add trees to OSM. For
> accessibility, you should see what Clifford Snow is doing with
> postsecondary students from the the Taskar Centre
> .
>
>
> I want to clear up any misconception. I'm not leading the accessibility
mapping effort with the Taskar Center. I've assisted with some meetups and
early help on their proposed sidewalk schema. Nick Bolton, PhD candidate,
is doing much of the work along with the director of the Taskar Center and
a number of grad students.

They are doing important work that should be adapted by communities across
the globe.

Clifford
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Re: [Talk-ca] using image recognition to create building foot prints.

[Gravel, Pierre (NRCan/RNCan)]

Hi Stewart
Our automatic extraction process is based on airborne LiDAR point cloud and not 
on optical imagery or elevation raster derived from LiDAR.

NRCAN doesn't have LiDAR over Toronto yet.
I will try to spread the pre-production over urban and rural areas (ehre we 
have LiDAR of course).
You can check yourself our LiDAR collection through Open Maps Canada. 
Presently, the viewer seems to not work well but you can download metadata 
coverage in kml or shp as well.
I open to suggestion for our pre-production. I prefer to process data where 
people have an interest.

Regards

Pierre

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From: Stewart C. Russell [mailto:scr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: February 6, 2018 12:54 PM
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Cc: Gravel, Pierre (NRCan/RNCan) 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] using image recognition to create building foot prints.

On 2018-02-02 11:01 AM, Gravel, Pierre (NRCan/RNCan) wrote:
> 
> I take the opportunity to ask you if you accept to give us a feedback 
> on these footprints before the official launch.
> 
> If yes, It will be my pleasure to provide a pre-production data for 
> those who want to check them.
> 
> It sounds good ?

It sounds amazing, thanks. I'd be very happy to take a look at a sample from 
Toronto if one's available. I'd like to see how it compares with the 
not-yet-usable-in-OSM Toronto building data.

cheers,
 Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020i Mapathon Event

[Jonathan Brown]

Rob Halkon, GIS Supervisor at the Durham Region, has approval to host an 
all-day mapathon event on March 29. The region has kindly offered to provide 
the venue with food. I attended the Toronto OSM Meetup last week and they 
suggested someone by the name of Richard might be able to help with the 
training, We are meeting on Friday Feb 23 from 1 pm to 4 pm to create a “flight 
plan” for the mapathon. This event will be followed up with a second event in 
late September or early October prior to the Oct 22 Municipal Elections in 
Ontario. We want to connect it to mapping trees in a narrowly defined boundary 
and connect it to the theme of sustainable development goals and climate 
change. We also want to use the BC2020i framework and mobile app for this 
event. Your feedback is welcome.  

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Today's Topics:

   1. Cleanup of addr:country, addr:province, addr:state
  (Matthew Darwin)
   2. Re: Formatting of Municipality Names (Matthew Darwin)
   3. Re: Formatting of Municipality Names (James)


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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:40:15 -0500
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Subject: [Talk-ca] Cleanup of addr:country, addr:province, addr:state
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Hi all,

During the discussion of cleaning up municipality names in Canada, it 
was suggested that the addr:city could be removed entirely if the 
appropriate boundaries are defined.   I would hazard to guess (and 
will endeavour to investigate) that the addr:city and the boundaries 
do not always align in Canada (there are ~11300 administrative 
boundaries of some type and there are ~7000 unique addr:city tags)... 
so this will be a much more long term effort.

However, the provincial/territorial boundaries are defined, so 
removing the addr:country, addr:provice and addr:state tags might be a 
more reasonable at this time.  (addr:country is used ~94% less than 
addr:street)

Tags, by number of occurrences:

  167902 addr:country

   33252 addr:state

  179741 addr:province

2950115 addr:city

2942159 addr:street

2934341 addr:housenumber


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To start the cleanup process, the following *Ontario* cities are being 
changed (remove "City of" or "City Of").   Once that is done, I'll 
come back with the next batch to process...

The idea to remove the city name in its entirety will require careful 
consideration to ensure the necessary boundary relations are in place 
and of course more discussion to see if people are comfortable to 
proceed on that kind of activity.

  110707 City of Toronto
   45716 City of Hamilton
   27234 City of London
   25393 City of Brampton
   17251 City of Vaughan
   16929 City of St. Catharines
   16592 City of Kawartha Lakes
   16087 City of Thunder Bay
   14787 City of Niagara Falls
   13966 City of Kingston
   12085 City of Oshawa
   11321 City of Barrie
   10981 City of Burlington
   10347 City of Guelph
    9666 City of Brantford
    9384 City of Sarnia
    9102 City of Windsor
    9044 City Of Sault Ste. Marie
    8263 City of Peterborough
    7819 City of Quinte West
    7593 City of Welland
    6753 City of Pickering
    6608 City of Greater Sudbury
    6375 City Of Greater Sudbury
    6239 City of Belleville
    6165 City of Prince Edward County
    5696 City of Cornwall
    5269 City Of Timmins
    4877 City of Port Colborne
    4208 City of Woodstock
    3971 City of Thorold
    3692 City of St. Thomas
    3603 City of Cambridge
    3529 City of Orillia
    3355 City of Brockville
    3098 City of Owen Sound
    2733 City of Clarence-Rockland
    2377 City Of Pembroke
  

Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 120, Issue 53

[Jonathan Brown]

Hi, Keith. I’m in the same predicament. The OSM community tell me that it may 
be possible, but not in the short run. We are using the BC2020i framework for 
our March 29 event that Durham Region’s Open Data folks are hosting. One idea 
is to have the students add trees to OSM. For accessibility, you should see 
what Clifford Snow is doing with postsecondary students from the the Taskar 
Centre. 

Jonathan 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work (keith hartley)
   2. Re: Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work
  (john whelan)
   3. Re: Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work (James)
   4. Re: Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work
  (keith hartley)


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Subject: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work
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 Hi OSM'ers

I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here http://opengov.brandon.ca/
terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an email if need be as well.
Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba land initiative website (MLI)
and I can see that the city of Brandon Data is much more accurate (in both
attributes and position) I will review the current data. Is there anything
else I should be doing before I upload this?

The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using walking
maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is accessible
for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write the
results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas how to
get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)

Cheers,
Keith
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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[john whelan]

 If I look at OpenStreetMap at Brandon there seems to be most buildings
have been mapped.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Brandon%20canada#
map=14/49.8381/-99.9503

They don't align perfectly with Bing but they aren't too bad.  If you ask
nicely someone could pick them up and move them over so they did but the
highways don't quite align either.

Why would you want to do an import here when most of the buildings are
already mapped or am I looking in the wrong place?

If I am perhaps we could identify those buildings that are likely to be of
interest to be marked as accessible or not and ensure they are mapped
before your event.

Cheerio John


On 28 February 2018 at 19:26, john whelan  wrote:

> If I look at OpenStreetMap at Brandon there seems to be most buildings
> have been mapped.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Brandon%20canada#
> map=14/49.8381/-99.9503
>
> They don't align perfectly with Bing but they aren't too bad.  If you ask
> nicely someone could pick them up and move them over so they did but the
> highways don
>
> On 28 February 2018 at 10:31, keith hartley 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi OSM'ers
>>
>> I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
>> questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
>> shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
>> OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
>> course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
>> license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here
>> http://opengov.brandon.ca/terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an
>> email if need be as well. Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba
>> land initiative website (MLI) and I can see that the city of Brandon Data
>> is much more accurate (in both attributes and position) I will review the
>> current data. Is there anything else I should be doing before I upload
>> this?
>>
>> The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using
>> walking maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is
>> accessible for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write
>> the results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas
>> how to get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[john whelan]

If I look at OpenStreetMap at Brandon there seems to be most buildings have
been mapped.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Brandon%20canada#map=14/49.8381/-99.9503

They don't align perfectly with Bing but they aren't too bad.  If you ask
nicely someone could pick them up and move them over so they did but the
highways don

On 28 February 2018 at 10:31, keith hartley 
wrote:

> Hi OSM'ers
>
> I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
> questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
> shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
> OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
> course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
> license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here
> http://opengov.brandon.ca/terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an
> email if need be as well. Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba
> land initiative website (MLI) and I can see that the city of Brandon Data
> is much more accurate (in both attributes and position) I will review the
> current data. Is there anything else I should be doing before I upload
> this?
>
> The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using walking
> maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is accessible
> for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write the
> results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas how to
> get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings and data that high school students could add

[Jonathan Brown]

Keith, I have had several conversations within this forum and offline about 
importing municipal building footprints into OSM for a mapathon event with 
students on March 29 in Durham Region. Based on advice from this and other OSM 
community member, we are holding off on importing building footprints for now. 

As for good ideas on how to engage students in adding to the OSM map, we are 
considering having students add trees to school building. The Toronto District 
School Board has a Green School Program and a database with over 40,000 trees 
on 5000 acres across approximately 600 schools. [Note: This was based on 
research from 2009 by an intern graduate student from the U of Toronto Forestry 
Department. It would be interesting to see if they would open this data to 
their students to use as an educational resource. 

Have you connected with Shawn Goulet and Steven Johnson at OSM Learn. They may 
have some good ideas as well. We may use their services to train our 
facilitators for the March 29 event. 

Jonathan  

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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[James]

Before Scruss comes out and says it:
1. Wiki documentation
2. You need to get LWG to approve license as it's not a standard license.
Explicit permission can certainly help our case.

After license is approved we could move on to approval of data quality,
then submit it for revue on import list(p.s. if it's crappy data they are
going to tell you about how it's crappy)

After all that(maybe 1-2 years later) can we move on to the serving of data
via a tasking manager and start the import

On Feb 28, 2018 11:54 AM, "john whelan"  wrote:

> Similar to does not mean the same unless it is the TB Open Data license
> but I suspect it predates that one.  Given that Stats Canada has said it
> will make the data available through the Federal Government's Open Data
> portal real soon now I suspect that an email from the city even to yourself
> would be acceptable.
>
> There is an import process speak nicely to James and he may be kind enough
> to handhold you through it.
>
> The LWG will give an opinion on the license but it could take some
> considerable time to do so.
>
> The import needs to be approved by a the local community.  In Ottawa two
> or three local mappers gathered together over coffee to approve it.  I
> think there were more than three.
>
> Given your suspected time frames its probably best to document the import
> fairly quickly.  That way it allows for those mappers who feel imports are
> terrible to have their say.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 28 February 2018 at 10:31, keith hartley 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi OSM'ers
>>
>> I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
>> questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
>> shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
>> OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
>> course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
>> license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here
>> http://opengov.brandon.ca/terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an
>> email if need be as well. Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba
>> land initiative website (MLI) and I can see that the city of Brandon Data
>> is much more accurate (in both attributes and position) I will review the
>> current data. Is there anything else I should be doing before I upload
>> this?
>>
>> The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using
>> walking maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is
>> accessible for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write
>> the results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas
>> how to get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[john whelan]

Similar to does not mean the same unless it is the TB Open Data license but
I suspect it predates that one.  Given that Stats Canada has said it will
make the data available through the Federal Government's Open Data portal
real soon now I suspect that an email from the city even to yourself would
be acceptable.

There is an import process speak nicely to James and he may be kind enough
to handhold you through it.

The LWG will give an opinion on the license but it could take some
considerable time to do so.

The import needs to be approved by a the local community.  In Ottawa two or
three local mappers gathered together over coffee to approve it.  I think
there were more than three.

Given your suspected time frames its probably best to document the import
fairly quickly.  That way it allows for those mappers who feel imports are
terrible to have their say.

Cheerio John

On 28 February 2018 at 10:31, keith hartley 
wrote:

> Hi OSM'ers
>
> I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
> questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
> shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
> OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
> course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
> license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here
> http://opengov.brandon.ca/terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an
> email if need be as well. Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba
> land initiative website (MLI) and I can see that the city of Brandon Data
> is much more accurate (in both attributes and position) I will review the
> current data. Is there anything else I should be doing before I upload
> this?
>
> The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using walking
> maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is accessible
> for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write the
> results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas how to
> get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
>
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[Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[keith hartley]

 Hi OSM'ers

I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here http://opengov.brandon.ca/
terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an email if need be as well.
Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba land initiative website (MLI)
and I can see that the city of Brandon Data is much more accurate (in both
attributes and position) I will review the current data. Is there anything
else I should be doing before I upload this?

The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using walking
maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is accessible
for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write the
results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas how to
get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)

Cheers,
Keith
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