Re: [Talk-ca] Canvec Import

[Viajero Perdido]

From: James 

not sure why Canvec always gets shat uppon, their water features are great
and pretty accurate


Bovine excrement.  Do I need to make an exhaustive list of the 
water-feature nonsense I keep finding?  Lakes dry up, and rivers change 
course (especially around Calgary in 2013).  Somebody imported a whole 
swath of ponds and lakes in NE Alberta, where a glance at imagery shows 
few if any still exist; it's all farmland now.


CanVec gets shat upon because the data quality is shite.  You can put 
water features in the BAD column along with landcover, POIs (schools are 
not prisons), trails (approximate is not good enough), and so on.


I am part of the CanVec immune system, because I want to see us create a 
*quality* map.


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Re: [Talk-ca] Multiple university departments in one building

[James]

tim if you need an example of how to tag multiple levels via the indoor
tagging:

I did it at St-Laurent shopping mall:

https://openlevelup.net/?l=0#18/45.42184/-75.63833

everything is tagged using the simple indoor tagging schema. I highly
suggest using JOSM filter on level=

but then again josm now has a built in filter for levels

On Wed., Nov. 28, 2018, 12:41 p.m. Tim Elrick  Thank you, John and James.
>
> Place d'Orleans looks nice. And, of course, we do not map for the
> renderer. However, as the departments that I want to map are on
> different floor levels and not specifically in this or that corner of
> the building, the approach I have taken is still not pleasing.
>
> I guess, I will read into the Simple Indoor Tagging schema then and see
> how it works out.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On 2018-11-28 07:37, john whelan wrote:
> Have a look at OSMand and see what it looks like.
>
> Generally it is considered bad practise to map for the renderer.
>
> As an alternative take a look at Place d'Orleans shopping center in
> Orleans Ontario each unit is mapped in outline with the appropriate tags
> added.
>
> If you look at mapping a building with floors I've seen office outlines
> before now.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 8:00 pm Tim Elrick   wrote:
>
>  Hello,
>
>  I am trying to contribute to filling the gaps on McGill campus on
>  OSM at
>  the moment and I ran into a problem which I haven't fund a
> satisfactory
>  answer for yet.
>
>  We have several buildings on campus which are home to multiple
>  departments, all buildings have a building name.
>
>  I looked the OSM wiki feature pages and in the OSM forum and found the
>  following approach as apparently standard procedure:
>  1) Map building outline with building = university , name= XYZ
>  building,
>  operator=McGill University
>  2) Add a node inside the building for each department with
>  office=university, description=department name
>  This produces irritating blue dots in the outline of the building, see
>  https://osm.org/go/cIrNt~j2u 
>
>  When I looked at other universities, I found e.g. a node with
>  amenity=university, name=department name. But when looking at the OSM
>  wiki feature page for universities[1] it says you only should use
>  amenity=university for the whole campus.
>
>  The office tag I found when looking for multiple businesses in one
>  building, but the blue dot aren't nice.
>
>  Any suggestions on how to map this elegantly?
>
>  Thank you,
>  Tim (aka AGeographer)
>
>  [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=university
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Multiple university departments in one building

[Tim Elrick]

Thank you, John and James.

Place d'Orleans looks nice. And, of course, we do not map for the 
renderer. However, as the departments that I want to map are on 
different floor levels and not specifically in this or that corner of 
the building, the approach I have taken is still not pleasing.


I guess, I will read into the Simple Indoor Tagging schema then and see 
how it works out.


Cheers,
Tim

On 2018-11-28 07:37, john whelan wrote:
Have a look at OSMand and see what it looks like.

Generally it is considered bad practise to map for the renderer.

As an alternative take a look at Place d'Orleans shopping center in
Orleans Ontario each unit is mapped in outline with the appropriate tags
added.

If you look at mapping a building with floors I've seen office outlines
before now.

Cheerio John

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 8:00 pm Tim Elrick mailto:o...@elrick.de> wrote:

Hello,

I am trying to contribute to filling the gaps on McGill campus on
OSM at
the moment and I ran into a problem which I haven't fund a satisfactory
answer for yet.

We have several buildings on campus which are home to multiple
departments, all buildings have a building name.

I looked the OSM wiki feature pages and in the OSM forum and found the
following approach as apparently standard procedure:
1) Map building outline with building = university , name= XYZ
building,
operator=McGill University
2) Add a node inside the building for each department with
office=university, description=department name
This produces irritating blue dots in the outline of the building, see
https://osm.org/go/cIrNt~j2u 

When I looked at other universities, I found e.g. a node with
amenity=university, name=department name. But when looking at the OSM
wiki feature page for universities[1] it says you only should use
amenity=university for the whole campus.

The office tag I found when looking for multiple businesses in one
building, but the blue dot aren't nice.

Any suggestions on how to map this elegantly?

Thank you,
Tim (aka AGeographer)

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=university

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Re: [Talk-ca] canvec imports

[Matthew Darwin]

Andrew,

Keep up the great work making OSM great for Canada.


On 2018-11-27 1:36 p.m., Andrew Lester wrote:
I agree. A selective import from CANVEC is fine and generally gives 
good results. As long as you don't import things like forests and 
buildings (which are both woefully out-of-date, broken, or outright 
wrong), there usually isn't a problem. However, if someone just 
imports an entire block of data without inspecting it, that's when 
we run into the visible issues that the peanut gallery picks apart.


Andrew
Victoria, BC

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*From: *"James" 
*To: *"Andrew" 
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*Sent: *Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:58:19 AM
*Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] canvec imports

not sure why Canvec always gets shat uppon, their water features are 
great and pretty accurate, the forest/landcover on the other hand 
needs fixing before import. I think it's clear enough on the canvec 
wiki page that only experienced mappers/importers should attempt a 
canvec import.


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Re: [Talk-ca] Multiple university departments in one building

[James]

Yeah I did that with the indoor tagging schema

On Wed., Nov. 28, 2018, 7:40 a.m. john whelan  Have a look at OSMand and see what it looks like.
>
> Generally it is considered bad practise to map for the renderer.
>
> As an alternative take a look at Place d'Orleans shopping center in
> Orleans Ontario each unit is mapped in outline with the appropriate tags
> added.
>
> If you look at mapping a building with floors I've seen office outlines
> before now.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 8:00 pm Tim Elrick 
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am trying to contribute to filling the gaps on McGill campus on OSM at
>> the moment and I ran into a problem which I haven't fund a satisfactory
>> answer for yet.
>>
>> We have several buildings on campus which are home to multiple
>> departments, all buildings have a building name.
>>
>> I looked the OSM wiki feature pages and in the OSM forum and found the
>> following approach as apparently standard procedure:
>> 1) Map building outline with building = university , name= XYZ building,
>> operator=McGill University
>> 2) Add a node inside the building for each department with
>> office=university, description=department name
>> This produces irritating blue dots in the outline of the building, see
>> https://osm.org/go/cIrNt~j2u
>>
>> When I looked at other universities, I found e.g. a node with
>> amenity=university, name=department name. But when looking at the OSM
>> wiki feature page for universities[1] it says you only should use
>> amenity=university for the whole campus.
>>
>> The office tag I found when looking for multiple businesses in one
>> building, but the blue dot aren't nice.
>>
>> Any suggestions on how to map this elegantly?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Tim (aka AGeographer)
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=university
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Multiple university departments in one building

[john whelan]

Have a look at OSMand and see what it looks like.

Generally it is considered bad practise to map for the renderer.

As an alternative take a look at Place d'Orleans shopping center in Orleans
Ontario each unit is mapped in outline with the appropriate tags added.

If you look at mapping a building with floors I've seen office outlines
before now.

Cheerio John

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 8:00 pm Tim Elrick  Hello,
>
> I am trying to contribute to filling the gaps on McGill campus on OSM at
> the moment and I ran into a problem which I haven't fund a satisfactory
> answer for yet.
>
> We have several buildings on campus which are home to multiple
> departments, all buildings have a building name.
>
> I looked the OSM wiki feature pages and in the OSM forum and found the
> following approach as apparently standard procedure:
> 1) Map building outline with building = university , name= XYZ building,
> operator=McGill University
> 2) Add a node inside the building for each department with
> office=university, description=department name
> This produces irritating blue dots in the outline of the building, see
> https://osm.org/go/cIrNt~j2u
>
> When I looked at other universities, I found e.g. a node with
> amenity=university, name=department name. But when looking at the OSM
> wiki feature page for universities[1] it says you only should use
> amenity=university for the whole campus.
>
> The office tag I found when looking for multiple businesses in one
> building, but the blue dot aren't nice.
>
> Any suggestions on how to map this elegantly?
>
> Thank you,
> Tim (aka AGeographer)
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=university
>
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