[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Anotehr n development: Gerge Road, Edrington
I noticed at the weekend (but was driving with passengers, so couldn't stop), that the former MEB site on George Road, Erdington: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.51533lon=-1.86205zoom=16layers=M has been developed and now contains new side-roads with residential premises. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes
Hi all, I've just uploaded a bunch of changes to expand on some I made with Andy Mabbett's assistance (thanks Andy) many moons ago. They are all based on the development at 52.6799280, -1.8239728 and as this is the first time I've performed any edits I'd appreciate any feedback you have (if you have time to look over them). If I'm on the right track I have a couple of GPS traces to add on too. Thanks! Phil -- Philip John, philipjohn.co.uk lichfieldcommunitymedia.org.uk journallocal.co.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes
On 25 October 2011 13:40, Philip John p...@philipjohn.co.uk wrote: Hi all, I've just uploaded a bunch of changes to expand on some I made with Andy Mabbett's assistance (thanks Andy) many moons ago. *falls off chair* They are all based on the development at 52.6799280, -1.8239728 and as this is the first time I've performed any edits I'd appreciate any feedback you have (if you have time to look over them). Looks good to me. If I'm on the right track I have a couple of GPS traces to add on too. JFDI! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Anotehr n development: Gerge Road, Edrington
Andy, I was in there in Sept last year and added what I could see at the time (roads). Some of the properties were up. Needs a new survey. We don't have the road names yet either. I'll cover next time I'm passing, its on my radar. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 25 October 2011 12:38 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Anotehr n development: Gerge Road, Edrington I noticed at the weekend (but was driving with passengers, so couldn't stop), that the former MEB site on George Road, Erdington: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.51533lon=- 1.86205zoom=16layers=M has been developed and now contains new side-roads with residential premises. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes
Am I missing something? That's the same George Road development? (Northcote). If so then I'm not seeing any changes other than my edits from last September. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 25 October 2011 14:29 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes On 25 October 2011 13:40, Philip John p...@philipjohn.co.uk wrote: Hi all, I've just uploaded a bunch of changes to expand on some I made with Andy Mabbett's assistance (thanks Andy) many moons ago. *falls off chair* They are all based on the development at 52.6799280, -1.8239728 and as this is the first time I've performed any edits I'd appreciate any feedback you have (if you have time to look over them). Looks good to me. If I'm on the right track I have a couple of GPS traces to add on too. JFDI! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes
@Ed - Thanks, I think I'll stick with highway=path. Although the developers drawings show some sort of cycling utopia there's nothing to suggest they are especially cycle routes. @Andy - ;) @Andy R - George Road? Nope, sorry! This is the City Wharf development in Lichfield, off Cherry Orchard. Thanks! Phil On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Am I missing something? That's the same George Road development? (Northcote). If so then I'm not seeing any changes other than my edits from last September. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 25 October 2011 14:29 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes On 25 October 2011 13:40, Philip John p...@philipjohn.co.uk wrote: Hi all, I've just uploaded a bunch of changes to expand on some I made with Andy Mabbett's assistance (thanks Andy) many moons ago. *falls off chair* They are all based on the development at 52.6799280, -1.8239728 and as this is the first time I've performed any edits I'd appreciate any feedback you have (if you have time to look over them). Looks good to me. If I'm on the right track I have a couple of GPS traces to add on too. JFDI! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes
My apologies Philip. I'd cut and pasted the co-ords from your post wrongly and my map browser was having none of it J Cheers Andy From: Philip John [mailto:p...@philipjohn.co.uk] Sent: 25 October 2011 16:14 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes @Ed - Thanks, I think I'll stick with highway=path. Although the developers drawings show some sort of cycling utopia there's nothing to suggest they are especially cycle routes. @Andy - ;) @Andy R - George Road? Nope, sorry! This is the City Wharf development in Lichfield, off Cherry Orchard. Thanks! Phil On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Am I missing something? That's the same George Road development? (Northcote). If so then I'm not seeing any changes other than my edits from last September. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 25 October 2011 14:29 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes On 25 October 2011 13:40, Philip John p...@philipjohn.co.uk wrote: Hi all, I've just uploaded a bunch of changes to expand on some I made with Andy Mabbett's assistance (thanks Andy) many moons ago. *falls off chair* They are all based on the development at 52.6799280, -1.8239728 and as this is the first time I've performed any edits I'd appreciate any feedback you have (if you have time to look over them). Looks good to me. If I'm on the right track I have a couple of GPS traces to add on too. JFDI! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Anotehr n development: Gerge Road, Edrington
I work in George Road and as such go past every weekday. Sorry, I thought the new development had been done - I'll pop out and get some traces later in the week and get the map updated. ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
Some of you might have seen mention of new datasets being released (today, apparently, but I can't find them yet) by the DfT http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8844733/Publishing-road-works-cycle-routes-and-car-parking-data-will-finally-get-Britain-moving.html Obviously my main interest is in the cycling infrastructure data, but I can see car parking being useful for OSM too. I've only been involved with the cycling data. For once, there's actually been a lot of planning behind-the-scenes on how to make this data as useful as possible, including which steps would make it more useful to combine into OSM - to me, clearly the best way to keep the data up-to-date in the long term. That's a big step forward from the throw it over the wall approach of most government open-data releases, and I hope appropriate credit goes to the right people when it's all finally fully public. I've been working on some features in Potlatch 2 so that we can inspect, consider and merge the cycling data attributes into OSM on a street-by-street basis. Cyclestreets made a blog post about this yesterday, including some screenshots. I'm working on setting up a demonstration so that we can get feedback on both the data and the new p2 features. http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2011/10/24/osm-merging-tool/ Until then, this is just a heads-up to say we don't need to worry about either bulk-importing the cycling data (boo, hiss etc), nor about converting it from whatever format it is published on data.gov.uk in, since converting it to a useful OSM-based format, unencumbered by OS toids etc, is already being done. Also, it's a heads-up to say I might be asking for volunteers soon to start picking though the dataset and using it to improve the detail of our cycling information. If anyone has any questions, I'll do my best to answer! Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How to tag Police Memorial Trust (and similar) memorials
On 24/10/2011 14:43, John Sturdy wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Andy Mabbetta...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I recently mapped a couple of Police Memorial Trust memorials, for example: http://www.policememorial.org.uk/Police_Memorial_Trust/PMT_Local_Memorials/PMT-Swindells-2004/PMT-Swindells-2004.htm http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.511667lon=-1.866628zoom=18layers=M http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1478159796 with Tag:historic=memorial. I included the text on each memorial, tagged text. Would that be better tagged inscription, or with some other tag? I've used commemoration on a couple of memorial benches in my village, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1419167468, but now you mention it, inscription sounds more generic, as there might be inscribed public objects that aren't commemorative. I've certainly used inscription when mapping Swedish rune stones ... so it certainly has flexibility! Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
Andy wrote: Some of you might have seen mention of new datasets being released (today, apparently, but I can't find them yet) by the DfT http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8844733/Publishing-road-wo rks-cycle-routes-and-car-parking-data-will-finally-get-Britain-movin g.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8844733/Publishing- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8844733/Publishing-road-wo rks-cycle-routes-and-car-parking-data-will-finally-get-Britain-movin g.html road-works-cycle-routes-and-car-parking-data-will-finally-get- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8844733/Publishing-road-wo rks-cycle-routes-and-car-parking-data-will-finally-get-Britain-movin g.html Britain-moving.html That story now links to: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8847676/Road-works-cycle-ro utes-and-car-parks-data-mapped.html which contains download links. Is anyone looking at the car parks data in a similar method to the cycle data as mentioned in the cyclestreets blog post? I've downloaded it, but I'm guessing it needs something to parse it and reproject it. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Not that I'm aware of. From the ones I've seen so far, the geocoding isn't exactly great for them, so I suspect they've been geocoded using the address or postcode. Gah, now that I look at the actual carpark data instead of just looking at the telegraph's map, there's not actually any coordinates in the dataset at all. Silly me. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
I've been working on some features in Potlatch 2 so that we can inspect, consider and merge the cycling data attributes into OSM on a street-by-street basis. I've just been looking at the cycle data. While the dataset is licenced as OGL (or as the metadata says Crown Copyright with data.gov.uk rights, if that is the same) I notice each record has an allowedUse element which in the bits I've looked at are Commercial Licence or Not For Profit - are those latter records still OK for OSM use, or do the Potlatch 2 changes you've worked on filter them out? I'll confess I've not looked in detail at what items are covered by what, but it looks to be that their community provided data is not for profit use in general, whereas the professionally surveyed stuff allows commercial use. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Not that I'm aware of. From the ones I've seen so far, the geocoding isn't exactly great for them, so I suspect they've been geocoded using the address or postcode. Gah, now that I look at the actual carpark data instead of just looking at the telegraph's map, there's not actually any coordinates in the dataset at all. Silly me. Right. The actual actual data has eastings and northings. The excel spreadsheet the telegraph links to doesn't. And it appears to me that the telegraph's Google map is made from the spreadsheet, using geocoded addresses rather than the actual eastings and northings. I'll shut up on this now! Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On 25/10/11 12:12, Andy Allan wrote: Gah, now that I look at the actual carpark data instead of just looking at the telegraph's map, there's not actually any coordinates in the dataset at all. Silly me. Yes there are: AccessPoints GeocodeTypeEntrance/GeocodeType Easting459904/Easting Northing451314/Northing StreetNameNUNNERY LANE/StreetName BarrierInOperationNo/BarrierInOperation /AccessPoints etc etc. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On 25 October 2011 12:11, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Is anyone looking at the car parks data in a similar method to the cycle data as mentioned in the cyclestreets blog post? I've downloaded it, but I'm guessing it needs something to parse it and reproject it. Not that I'm aware of. From the ones I've seen so far, the geocoding isn't exactly great for them, so I suspect they've been geocoded using the address or postcode. Thankfully the cycling data is a lot more professional than that, and thankfully we won't need to unpick the GML that it comes in! UIDs, anyone? NLPG? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: I've been working on some features in Potlatch 2 so that we can inspect, consider and merge the cycling data attributes into OSM on a street-by-street basis. I've just been looking at the cycle data. While the dataset is licenced as OGL (or as the metadata says Crown Copyright with data.gov.uk rights, if that is the same) I notice each record has an allowedUse element which in the bits I've looked at are Commercial Licence or Not For Profit - are those latter records still OK for OSM use, or do the Potlatch 2 changes you've worked on filter them out? The Potlatch2 stuff doesn't deal with the GML at all. What we're being given, separately from this GML, is a converted version of the dataset, and from the correspondence that I have it's going to be released under the OGL. For the dataset that I'm dealing with, there's no question whether there will be some bits not suitable for inclusion in OSM - that would somewhat defeat the point! As for the potlatch 2 code, it's worth clarifying that both the merging code (in potlatch2) and the serverside code for accessing it per-bbox [1] only deals with OSM format data, not GML. The work for converting it from GML into .osm is contracted to the people who actually understand the GML representation! It was done this way to ensure that everything I've put into potlatch 2 is entirely generic and reusable for any other datasets we wish to merge in the future. Cheers, Andy [1] See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Snapshot_Server ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
As for the potlatch 2 code, it's worth clarifying that both the merging code (in potlatch2) and the serverside code for accessing it per-bbox [1] only deals with OSM format data, not GML. The work for converting it from GML into .osm is contracted to the people who actually understand the GML representation! It was done this way to ensure that everything I've put into potlatch 2 is entirely generic and reusable for any other datasets we wish to merge in the future. snip [1] See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Snapshot_Server So if I, or someone else, writes something that parses the car parks GML into OSM format tagging, is there someone and/or somewhere it could be uploaded it to for people to use, do you know? If so then I might look at a wiki page to discuss the mapping(s). They seem to have coordinates (in Eastings and Northings) for entrances, exits, and map which is I'm guessing where they would place a label (though will know more when I've had chance to look at the data more). For the Snapshot_Server to handle it, would it be able to match a point location to an already mapped car park area? Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On 25/10/11 13:22, Ed Loach wrote: So if I, or someone else, writes something that parses the car parks GML into OSM format tagging, is there someone and/or somewhere it could be uploaded it to for people to use, do you know? If so then I might look at a wiki page to discuss the mapping(s). They seem to have coordinates (in Eastings and Northings) for entrances, exits, and map which is I'm guessing where they would place a label (though will know more when I've had chance to look at the data more). For the Snapshot_Server to handle it, would it be able to match a point location to an already mapped car park area? If you read the documentation then you wouldn't have to guess what things means... To save you the trouble, yes, that is exactly what the Map access point is for. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Anotehr n development: Gerge Road, Edrington
On 25 October 2011 17:10, Nick Verdegem digital.dia...@gmail.com wrote: I work in George Road and as such go past every weekday. Sorry, I thought the new development had been done - I'll pop out and get some traces later in the week and get the map updated. Thank you. I managed to get down there today. I've added the roads and some infrastructure; I also picked up a sales brochure showing the planned layout, and took notes of the few house numbers already allocated, some of which I'll add later tonight or tomorrow. It's still only half built; with occupied houses nearer George Road and holes in the ground at the far end. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Anotehr n development: Gerge Road, Edrington
On 25 October 2011 17:57, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 25 October 2011 17:10, Nick Verdegem digital.dia...@gmail.com wrote: I work in George Road and as such go past every weekday. Sorry, I thought the new development had been done - I'll pop out and get some traces later in the week and get the map updated. Thank you. I managed to get down there today. I've added the roads and some infrastructure; I also picked up a sales brochure showing the planned layout, and took notes of the few house numbers already allocated, some of which I'll add later tonight or tomorrow. It's still only half built; with occupied houses nearer George Road and holes in the ground at the far end. OK, done for now. The size and relative arrangement of the buildings is approximate There's something very odd with the numbering between 15 and 27 Lake View Drive (the houses fronting George Road), if someone can check that. The stream in the adjacent cutting also needs further survey - where does it rise, and end? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
