Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Phillip Barnett]

Yes, round here in Cambridge too! At least my local box now has a last 
collection at 9am - which rather caught me out when I was trying to catch the 
former 17:30 last post



> On 26 Mar 2015, at 11:46, John Aldridge  wrote:
> 
>> On 26/03/2015 10:20, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
>> Collection times are increasingly meaningless, thanks to the dear old
>> Post Office replacing them with “there will be a collection here before
>> 5pm” (rather than "at X pm") type of notices (at least around here,
>> anyway, and I believe that it is generally true)
> 
> Not round here (Cambridge). The wording is "Last collection time -- Monday to 
> Friday 6.00pm ... Saturday 12 noon ... Additional collections may be made 
> throughout the day until the last time shown.", i.e. if you get your letter 
> in the box by the stated time, it'll be collected today.
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 26 March 2015 at 13:15, Philip Barnes  wrote:

> On Thu, 2015-03-26 at 12:54 +, Pmailkeey . wrote:
> >
> > Maybe you have a higher density of postboxes but even so, it's usually
> > quite possible to remember the location of the one with the later
> > collection.
>
> The point is you are not always at home, you may be away or en-route
> somewhere.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>


Which is why the locations of boxes is valuable info. If sending by RM,
it's unlikely it's time-critical in any case. Safe to presume the next
collection is tomorrow.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 26 March 2015 at 12:48, Shaun McDonald  wrote:

>
>
> On the flip side how many people in the general population know how to use
> a grid ref or lat/long? I’d hazard a guess, it’s less than those who know
> what a postcode is (ignoring the technical details of postcodes).
>
> Shaun
>
>
>
Just a case of following the instructions on the satnav and knowing where
you want to go (a problem for some !!)


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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Philip Barnes]

On Thu, 2015-03-26 at 12:54 +, Pmailkeey . wrote:
> 
> 
> On 26 March 2015 at 09:08, Pierre Riteau 
> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015, at 09:22 PM, Pmailkeey . wrote:
> 
> >  
> > What use are post box ref numbers ? Who is really bothered
> > about collection times ? The nearest post box is useful
> > info.
> > 
> >  
> > I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing.
> > Postcodes, I guess are only of use to Royal Mail for the
> > purpose of organising delivery rounds and abbreviating
> > locations inaccurately.
> > 
> >  
>  
> I am one of the mappers interested in post box data. I find it
> very handy to know the collection times. Around my house there
> are post boxes collected at 11:00, 11:30, or 12:00 on
> Saturdays. When I want to send a letter on a Saturday after
> 11:00, I check OSM for the closest uncollected post box.
> 
>  
> The fact that the data is not useful to you doesn't mean is it
> not useful for other people!
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe you have a higher density of postboxes but even so, it's usually
> quite possible to remember the location of the one with the later
> collection. 

The point is you are not always at home, you may be away or en-route
somewhere. 

Phil (trigpoint)




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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 26 March 2015 at 11:40, Ed Loach  wrote:

> Stuart wrote:
>
> > Collection times are increasingly meaningless, thanks to the dear old
> Post Office
> > replacing them with “there will be a collection here before 5pm” (rather
> than "at
> > X pm") type of notices
>
> 5pm. 5pm! How I long for 5pm.
>
> Last Collection Time Monday to Friday 9.00am (Saturday 7.00am)
>

Is that the new national standard ? If so, no point in putting collection
times on the box ! There used to be a number of collections through the day.



>
> To be fair they tell me there is a collection at 4pm at a postbox that is
> only 0.54km away (source:distance=yournavigation.org), or 6pm at the main
> delivery office.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
My brother reported back to say that a box he'd visited stated there was a
later collection (15 mins later) at another box (20 mins away)

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Philip Barnes]

On Thu, 2015-03-26 at 10:20 +, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
> We certainly use postcodes for routing within traveline - they are
> unambiguous. Indeed, I was considering a task only yesterday to use
> postcode polygons as a means of assigning postcodes to bus stops. 
> 
> 
> Collection times are increasingly meaningless, thanks to the dear old
> Post Office replacing them with “there will be a collection here
> before 5pm” (rather than "at X pm") type of notices (at least around
> here, anyway, and I believe that it is generally true)
> 
Usually only the last collection time is given, but that is useful in
that you can find a box where the last collection has not gone for the
day.

Many have 10am, or 11am. Probably emptied by the postie delivering to
the area. It is certainly useful information.

Phil (trigpoint)



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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 26 March 2015 at 09:08, Pierre Riteau  wrote:

>  On Wed, 25 Mar 2015, at 09:22 PM, Pmailkeey . wrote:
>
>
> What use are post box ref numbers ? Who is really bothered about
> collection times ? The nearest post box is useful info.
>
> I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing. Postcodes, I guess are
> only of use to Royal Mail for the purpose of organising delivery rounds and
> abbreviating locations inaccurately.
>
>
>
> I am one of the mappers interested in post box data. I find it very handy
> to know the collection times. Around my house there are post boxes
> collected at 11:00, 11:30, or 12:00 on Saturdays. When I want to send a
> letter on a Saturday after 11:00, I check OSM for the closest uncollected
> post box.
>
> The fact that the data is not useful to you doesn't mean is it not useful
> for other people!
>
>
>
Maybe you have a higher density of postboxes but even so, it's usually
quite possible to remember the location of the one with the later
collection. The other point is, RM is so slow nowadays I no longer bother
with first class as second is usually as quick. If a packet is urgent, best
send it by e-mail.


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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Shaun McDonald]

> On 26 Mar 2015, at 12:26, Pmailkeey .  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 25 March 2015 at 21:35, Colin Spiller  > wrote:
> ?
> Postcodes are GREAT for routing. It's far quicker to type the postcode as 
> destination than a long address. If it takes me to the correct street I can 
> usually find the building by myself, if I haven't entered the house number. 
> Postcodes every time.
> 
> Colin
> 
> 
> Grid ref or lat/long for me - to the gate.
> 
> Got sick of giving postcodes as asked by delivery companies only to have them 
> phone me from the street to find out where I am ! ("House with trees in 
> garden" - hmm, I'll put the trees on OSM just in case !)
> 
> Obviously not everyone has the intelligence to find the route of the last leg 
> of the journey!

Granted in rural areas postcodes are less useful due to the large area that 
they cover, however within towns and cities, they are generally accurate 
enough, which covers the majority of the journey plans required. Just because 
it isn’t useful to you doesn’t mean it isn’t useful to other people.

On the flip side how many people in the general population know how to use a 
grid ref or lat/long? I’d hazard a guess, it’s less than those who know what a 
postcode is (ignoring the technical details of postcodes).

Shaun


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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 25 March 2015 at 22:17, Steve Doerr  wrote:

> On 25/03/2015 21:22, Pmailkeey . wrote:
>
>  I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing.
>>
>
> Seriously? Try googling "satnav ref".
>
> --
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>
>
Those at 90 Lapstone Road, Millom could as the house is the only property
with that postcode!

Other than the few occasions like that, postcodes are too imprecise.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 25 March 2015 at 22:13, Carles Pina i Estany  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> On Mar/25/2015, Pmailkeey . wrote:
> > On 25 March 2015 at 18:25, Dan S  wrote:
> >
> > > 2015-03-25 18:20 GMT+00:00 Pmailkeey . :
>
> > > Postcodes are very valuable for routing - people outside OSM use them
> > > very heavily for that. Postcodes are not even a minority concern.
>
> [...]
>
> > I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing. Postcodes, I guess
> are
> > only of use to Royal Mail for the purpose of organising delivery rounds
> and
> > abbreviating locations inaccurately.
>
> I do use them, when I usee Google Maps - when I want an approximate
> route it's the quickest way to pin down place.
>
> In the UK (at least in London) a postcode is a very small zone so it's
> very useful. In other countries a postcode is too big to be useful.
>
> Not to mention that there are streets with the same name or almost the
> same name so the postcode serves to double check that the street is the
> wanted one.
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Not everyone gives the correct post code as well !

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 25 March 2015 at 21:35, Colin Spiller  wrote:

>  ?
> Postcodes are GREAT for routing. It's far quicker to type the postcode as
> destination than a long address. If it takes me to the correct street I can
> usually find the building by myself, if I haven't entered the house number.
> Postcodes every time.
>
> Colin
>
>
As for programming satnavs, I find the dest. on the map and click 'take me
here'

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 25 March 2015 at 21:49, Colin Smale  wrote:

>  On 2015-03-25 22:22, Pmailkeey . wrote:
>
>  What use are post box ref numbers ? Who is really bothered about
> collection times ? The nearest post box is useful info.
>
> I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing. Postcodes, I guess are
> only of use to Royal Mail for the purpose of organising delivery rounds and
> abbreviating locations inaccurately.
>
>
>  Personally I can't see the point in camp sites. Nobody I know goes
> camping so what's the point of having them in OSM.
>
>
>
Totally agree - campers are either illiterate or have soggy paper.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 25 March 2015 at 21:35, Colin Spiller  wrote:

>  ?
> Postcodes are GREAT for routing. It's far quicker to type the postcode as
> destination than a long address. If it takes me to the correct street I can
> usually find the building by myself, if I haven't entered the house number.
> Postcodes every time.
>
> Colin
>


Grid ref or lat/long for me - to the gate.

Got sick of giving postcodes as asked by delivery companies only to have
them phone me from the street to find out where I am ! ("House with trees
in garden" - hmm, I'll put the trees on OSM just in case !)

Obviously not everyone has the intelligence to find the route of the last
leg of the journey!

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[John Aldridge]

On 26/03/2015 10:20, Stuart Reynolds wrote:

Collection times are increasingly meaningless, thanks to the dear old
Post Office replacing them with “there will be a collection here before
5pm” (rather than "at X pm") type of notices (at least around here,
anyway, and I believe that it is generally true)


Not round here (Cambridge). The wording is "Last collection time -- 
Monday to Friday 6.00pm ... Saturday 12 noon ... Additional collections 
may be made throughout the day until the last time shown.", i.e. if you 
get your letter in the box by the stated time, it'll be collected today.


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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Ed Loach]

Stuart wrote:

> Collection times are increasingly meaningless, thanks to the dear old Post 
> Office 
> replacing them with “there will be a collection here before 5pm” (rather than 
> "at 
> X pm") type of notices 

5pm. 5pm! How I long for 5pm.

Last Collection Time Monday to Friday 9.00am (Saturday 7.00am)

To be fair they tell me there is a collection at 4pm at a postbox that is only 
0.54km away (source:distance=yournavigation.org), or 6pm at the main delivery 
office.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Stuart Reynolds]

We certainly use postcodes for routing within traveline - they are unambiguous. 
Indeed, I was considering a task only yesterday to use postcode polygons as a 
means of assigning postcodes to bus stops.

Collection times are increasingly meaningless, thanks to the dear old Post 
Office replacing them with “there will be a collection here before 5pm” (rather 
than "at X pm") type of notices (at least around here, anyway, and I believe 
that it is generally true)

Regards,
Stuart



On 26 Mar 2015, at 09:57, 
jonat...@bigfatfrog67.me wrote:

+1 on collection times and Postcodes for routing.

Jonathan

http://bigfatfrog67.me

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On Wed, 25 Mar 2015, at 09:22 PM, Pmailkeey . wrote:

What use are post box ref numbers ? Who is really bothered about collection 
times ? The nearest post box is useful info.

I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing. Postcodes, I guess are only 
of use to Royal Mail for the purpose of organising delivery rounds and 
abbreviating locations inaccurately.


I am one of the mappers interested in post box data. I find it very handy to 
know the collection times. Around my house there are post boxes collected at 
11:00, 11:30, or 12:00 on Saturdays. When I want to send a letter on a Saturday 
after 11:00, I check OSM for the closest uncollected post box.

The fact that the data is not useful to you doesn't mean is it not useful for 
other people!

As for routing via postcodes, as pointed out already it is ubiquitous on 
satnavs…

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[jonathan]

+1 on collection times and Postcodes for routing.






Jonathan

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On Wed, 25 Mar 2015, at 09:22 PM, Pmailkeey . wrote:




 


What use are post box ref numbers ? Who is really bothered about collection 
times ? The nearest post box is useful info.


 


I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing. Postcodes, I guess are only 
of use to Royal Mail for the purpose of organising delivery rounds and 
abbreviating locations inaccurately.


 

 

I am one of the mappers interested in post box data. I find it very handy to 
know the collection times. Around my house there are post boxes collected at 
11:00, 11:30, or 12:00 on Saturdays. When I want to send a letter on a Saturday 
after 11:00, I check OSM for the closest uncollected post box.


 

The fact that the data is not useful to you doesn't mean is it not useful for 
other people!


 

As for routing via postcodes, as pointed out already it is ubiquitous on 
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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pierre Riteau]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2015, at 09:22 PM, Pmailkeey . wrote:
>
> What use are post box ref numbers ? Who is really bothered about
> collection times ? The nearest post box is useful info.
>
> I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing. Postcodes, I guess
> are only of use to Royal Mail for the purpose of organising delivery
> rounds and abbreviating locations inaccurately.
>

I am one of the mappers interested in post box data. I find it very
handy to know the collection times. Around my house there are post boxes
collected at 11:00, 11:30, or 12:00 on Saturdays. When I want to send a
letter on a Saturday after 11:00, I check OSM for the closest
uncollected post box.

The fact that the data is not useful to you doesn't mean is it not
useful for other people!

As for routing via postcodes, as pointed out already it is ubiquitous
on satnavs…

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