Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 10/23/2015 05:19 PM, ael wrote:
> Personally, I think that they should be blocked until they provide a
> proper explanation. The sheer scale is highly suspicious.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/828

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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[ael]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:01:16PM +0100, Dave F. wrote:
> Adding accurate data is, of course, improving OSM, but only if it's from an
> allowable source.
> 
> The lack of communication implies there's something to hide.

Personally, I think that they should be blocked until they provide a
proper explanation. The sheer scale is highly suspicious.

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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Dave F.]

Hello again.

User Zain Ahmad Hashmi is still at it with "Improving road network" 
edits ,which as far as I can see are just adding maxweight tags. The 
couple I've
checked seem legit, but the edits are wide spread implying it's not 
local knowledge. I'm correct in thinking there's no open database with 
this info, aren't I?


To me, with the maxhieght & maxweight tags being added over a large 
area, it suggests someone with interests in developing a routing 
application.


Cheers
Dave F.

On 05/10/2015 10:19, David Fisher wrote:

Hi all,

Just had the same thing happen near me (Croydon) but by a different
user (Zain Ahmad Hashmi, e.g.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34443141).
The only thing that occurred to me is that all the edits involved ways
passing over or under railway lines... although like Dave F I can't
see what the actual improvement is.

Both "dataOne" and "Zain Ahmad Hashmi" joined Sep 15th, 2015, and seem
to have done nothing other than a large number of similar edits.
Either they're the same person/bot, or there's some source somewhere
that is encouraging such edits for whatever reason.

Thanks,
David. (user Pgd81)



On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:56 PM, David Woolley
 wrote:

On 02/10/15 20:26, Philip Barnes wrote:

On Fri Oct 2 14:47:05 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote:


A new editor has started splitting roads in my locale, but from what I
can see making no tagging amendments. Am I missing something? If not I'd
like to halt him before there's too much damage.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dataOne/history#map=11/51.2981/-1.9753

I've sent a message asking for clarification.


I can see nothing othet than the splits, don't think you have missed
anything.


Even if this is a botched attempt at legitimate changes, the scale of the
process makes it look like an un-sourced bulk import, possibly from an
ineligible source.



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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Philip Barnes]

I had been meaning to express my concerns over dataOne with the list,
although as I added a new changeset comment yesterday and pm'd him
about one from last week which he has not responded to, I was waiting
for one more edit that so far hasn't happened.

My concern has been over a very large number of maxwidth=2 in Kent, it
feels wrong, I am not in Kent to verify but would be surprised if Kent
is that far out of step with other UK LAs.

In http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34325458 comments Zain Ahmad
Hashmi mentions PIE mapping, which is is for commercial truck routing.

My suspicion is that he is using the legal maxwidth tag to block roads
to HGVs, even where there is no maxwidth in force. A max width of 2m
will restrict tractors and some range rovers.

Phil (trigpoint)



On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 20:26 +0100, Dave F. wrote:
> Hello again.
> 
> User Zain Ahmad Hashmi is still at it with "Improving road network" 
> edits ,which as far as I can see are just adding maxweight tags. The 
> couple I've
> checked seem legit, but the edits are wide spread implying it's not 
> local knowledge. I'm correct in thinking there's no open database
> with 
> this info, aren't I?
> 
> To me, with the maxhieght & maxweight tags being added over a large 
> area, it suggests someone with interests in developing a routing 
> application.
> 


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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Colin Smale]

 

If their edits are factually correct, they are improving OSM which is a
good thing. But they should really engage more with the community so we
can see where all this wisdom is coming from, what they are working
towards and who is behind it. Failure to respond to the many enquiries
does not exactly do anything to help their case. 

--colin 

On 2015-10-22 21:26, Dave F. wrote: 

> Hello again.
> 
> User Zain Ahmad Hashmi is still at it with "Improving road network" edits 
> ,which as far as I can see are just adding maxweight tags. The couple I've
> checked seem legit, but the edits are wide spread implying it's not local 
> knowledge. I'm correct in thinking there's no open database with this info, 
> aren't I?
> 
> To me, with the maxhieght & maxweight tags being added over a large area, it 
> suggests someone with interests in developing a routing application.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave F.
> 
> On 05/10/2015 10:19, David Fisher wrote: Hi all,
> 
> Just had the same thing happen near me (Croydon) but by a different
> user (Zain Ahmad Hashmi, e.g.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34443141).
> The only thing that occurred to me is that all the edits involved ways
> passing over or under railway lines... although like Dave F I can't
> see what the actual improvement is.
> 
> Both "dataOne" and "Zain Ahmad Hashmi" joined Sep 15th, 2015, and seem
> to have done nothing other than a large number of similar edits.
> Either they're the same person/bot, or there's some source somewhere
> that is encouraging such edits for whatever reason.
> 
> Thanks,
> David. (user Pgd81)
> 
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:56 PM, David Woolley
>  wrote: On 02/10/15 20:26, Philip Barnes wrote: 
> On Fri Oct 2 14:47:05 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote: 
> A new editor has started splitting roads in my locale, but from what I
> can see making no tagging amendments. Am I missing something? If not I'd
> like to halt him before there's too much damage.
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dataOne/history#map=11/51.2981/-1.9753
> 
> I've sent a message asking for clarification.
> 
> I can see nothing othet than the splits, don't think you have missed
> anything.
 Even if this is a botched attempt at legitimate changes, the scale of
the
process makes it look like an un-sourced bulk import, possibly from an
ineligible source.

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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Andy Townsend]

For info - I've added a comment to the discussion on 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34799530 (a recent changeset by 
Zain Ahmad Hashmi) and also one to 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34777018 (dataOne).


It'd certainly be interesting to see what correlation there is between 
the changes made and roadsigns in the real world.  Lots of the edits 
(press "Load More" a few times on 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Zain Ahmad Hashmi/history) are where 
OSM has lots of local mappers - London, Oxford, Cotswolds - it'd be nice 
to see a review based on actual signage of these edits.


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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Colin Smale]

 

AFAIK Kent doesn't go round putting 2m width limits on country lanes  -
more likely to be 6'6" "except for access". A random spot-check on his
most recent changesets with Google Streetview shows indeed 6'6" "except
for access" so he may actually be correct, except for the discutable
correctness of the conversion to metres and the absence of anything for
the "except for access" bit (how do we even tag that anyway?). I wonder
what his source is. is this manual surveying, or is it cruising
round the countryside in GSV? 

--colin 

On 2015-10-22 21:52, Philip Barnes wrote: 

> I had been meaning to express my concerns over dataOne with the list,
> although as I added a new changeset comment yesterday and pm'd him
> about one from last week which he has not responded to, I was waiting
> for one more edit that so far hasn't happened.
> 
> My concern has been over a very large number of maxwidth=2 in Kent, it
> feels wrong, I am not in Kent to verify but would be surprised if Kent
> is that far out of step with other UK LAs.
> 
> In http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34325458 comments Zain Ahmad
> Hashmi mentions PIE mapping, which is is for commercial truck routing.
> 
> My suspicion is that he is using the legal maxwidth tag to block roads
> to HGVs, even where there is no maxwidth in force. A max width of 2m
> will restrict tractors and some range rovers.
> 
> Phil (trigpoint)
> 
> On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 20:26 +0100, Dave F. wrote: 
> 
>> Hello again.
>> 
>> User Zain Ahmad Hashmi is still at it with "Improving road network" 
>> edits ,which as far as I can see are just adding maxweight tags. The 
>> couple I've
>> checked seem legit, but the edits are wide spread implying it's not 
>> local knowledge. I'm correct in thinking there's no open database
>> with 
>> this info, aren't I?
>> 
>> To me, with the maxhieght & maxweight tags being added over a large 
>> area, it suggests someone with interests in developing a routing 
>> application.
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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Dave F.]

Adding accurate data is, of course, improving OSM, but only if it's from 
an allowable source.


The lack of communication implies there's something to hide.

Dave F.

On 22/10/2015 21:34, Colin Smale wrote:


If their edits are factually correct, they are improving OSM which is 
a good thing. But they should really engage more with the community so 
we can see where all this wisdom is coming from, what they are working 
towards and who is behind it. Failure to respond to the many enquiries 
does not exactly do anything to help their case.


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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Antje]

Found another misleading “merging into 1 way to tag restriction”:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34080708

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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 10/05/2015 05:21 PM, Andy Townsend wrote:
> I'm away for a few days dodging raindrops in Wales so won't be able to deal 
> with it directly

Blocked both

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/815
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/816

with a polite request for explanation.

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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Jo Walsh]

I'm not on irc much at the moment, sorry. In general you can ping 
d...@osmfoundation.org with requests for mapper blocks, supplying context. 

This sounds like a call for a zero-hour block, which obliges the mapper to log 
in and read messages before editing.

I will have a look when i get off the phone if it's not been done





On October 5, 2015 12:36:20 PM GMT+01:00, Philip Barnes  
wrote:
>Message either SomeoneElse or zool in #talk-gb.
>
>Phil (trigpoint)
>
>On Mon Oct 5 12:31:09 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote:
>> Dataone is at it again. He's not replied to my post.
>> 
>> As each edit is an individual changeset & therefore laborious to
>revert, 
>> I think a temporary stop should be placed on him (both?) just until 
>> their attentions are grabbed. Is there anyone on this forum able to
>it 
>> or should I post in the talk forum?
>> 
>> Dave F.
>> 
>> On 05/10/2015 11:21, Tom Hukins wrote:
>> > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 10:19:47AM +0100, David Fisher wrote:
>> >> Just had the same thing happen near me (Croydon) but by a
>different
>> >> user (Zain Ahmad Hashmi, e.g.
>> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34443141).
>> > I've left a comment on this changeset.  Hopefully this will help us
>> > understand what's going on.
>> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Jo Walsh]

Ah, I'm some way behind the times ;)

On October 6, 2015 12:40:48 PM GMT+01:00, Frederik Ramm  
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On 10/05/2015 05:21 PM, Andy Townsend wrote:
>> I'm away for a few days dodging raindrops in Wales so won't be able
>to deal with it directly
>
>Blocked both
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/815
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/816
>
>with a polite request for explanation.
>
>Bye
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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[David Fisher]

Hi all,

Just had the same thing happen near me (Croydon) but by a different
user (Zain Ahmad Hashmi, e.g.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34443141).
The only thing that occurred to me is that all the edits involved ways
passing over or under railway lines... although like Dave F I can't
see what the actual improvement is.

Both "dataOne" and "Zain Ahmad Hashmi" joined Sep 15th, 2015, and seem
to have done nothing other than a large number of similar edits.
Either they're the same person/bot, or there's some source somewhere
that is encouraging such edits for whatever reason.

Thanks,
David. (user Pgd81)



On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:56 PM, David Woolley
 wrote:
> On 02/10/15 20:26, Philip Barnes wrote:
>>
>> On Fri Oct 2 14:47:05 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> A new editor has started splitting roads in my locale, but from what I
>>> can see making no tagging amendments. Am I missing something? If not I'd
>>> like to halt him before there's too much damage.
>>>
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dataOne/history#map=11/51.2981/-1.9753
>>>
>>> I've sent a message asking for clarification.
>>>
>> I can see nothing othet than the splits, don't think you have missed
>> anything.
>>
>
> Even if this is a botched attempt at legitimate changes, the scale of the
> process makes it look like an un-sourced bulk import, possibly from an
> ineligible source.
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Dave F.]

Dataone is at it again. He's not replied to my post.

As each edit is an individual changeset & therefore laborious to revert, 
I think a temporary stop should be placed on him (both?) just until 
their attentions are grabbed. Is there anyone on this forum able to it 
or should I post in the talk forum?


Dave F.

On 05/10/2015 11:21, Tom Hukins wrote:

On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 10:19:47AM +0100, David Fisher wrote:

Just had the same thing happen near me (Croydon) but by a different
user (Zain Ahmad Hashmi, e.g.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34443141).

I've left a comment on this changeset.  Hopefully this will help us
understand what's going on.

Tom

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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Philip Barnes]

Message either SomeoneElse or zool in #talk-gb.

Phil (trigpoint)

On Mon Oct 5 12:31:09 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote:
> Dataone is at it again. He's not replied to my post.
> 
> As each edit is an individual changeset & therefore laborious to revert, 
> I think a temporary stop should be placed on him (both?) just until 
> their attentions are grabbed. Is there anyone on this forum able to it 
> or should I post in the talk forum?
> 
> Dave F.
> 
> On 05/10/2015 11:21, Tom Hukins wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 10:19:47AM +0100, David Fisher wrote:
> >> Just had the same thing happen near me (Croydon) but by a different
> >> user (Zain Ahmad Hashmi, e.g.
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34443141).
> > I've left a comment on this changeset.  Hopefully this will help us
> > understand what's going on.
> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Andy Townsend]

(let's try that again with an actual message)

I did have a bit of a conversation on some of the earliest of their changesets, 
but didn't really get a sense of why the roads were being split. You could 
argue that splitting a piece out "prior to surveying what the height 
restriction actually is" is ok, but i'd be worried that the "surveying" bit 
wouldn't actually happen. In one of the changeset discussions it was suggested 
to me that I could verify a height restriction by looking at GSV; naturally I 
mentioned that this would be an inappropriate source for OSM (and to be fair, 
when I last looked a few days ago I was unable to see any GSV-sourced heights.
 ‎
I'm away for a few days dodging raindrops in Wales so won't be able to deal 
with it directly, but as ever the best way of bringing it to the DWG's 
attention is the usual ‎d...@osmfoundation.org email address.

Cheers,
Andy (SomeoneElse)
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Phil (trigpoint)

On Mon Oct 5 12:31:09 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote:
> Dataone is at it again. He's not replied to my post.
> 
> As each edit is an individual changeset & therefore laborious to revert, 
> I think a temporary stop should be placed on him (both?) just until 
> their attentions are grabbed. Is there anyone on this forum able to it 
> or should I post in the talk forum?
> 
> Dave F.
> 
> On 05/10/2015 11:21, Tom Hukins wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 10:19:47AM +0100, David Fisher wrote:
> >> Just had the same thing happen near me (Croydon) but by a different
> >> user (Zain Ahmad Hashmi, e.g.
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34443141).
> > I've left a comment on this changeset. Hopefully this will help us
> > understand what's going on.
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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Dave F.]

I'm not convinced 'preemptive' edits, especially when the editor appears 
to have no valid maxheight data, is justifiable.


http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34325458#map=14/52.4077/-0.9628

Even if he did, the ways are being arbitrarily split only once, often a 
long way from the bridge.


From the wiki:
"only the approximate section of the way which is under the bridge 
should be tagged with maxheight"


Dave F.


On 05/10/2015 16:21, Andy Townsend wrote:

(let's try that again with an actual message)

I did have a bit of a conversation on some of the earliest of their changesets, but didn't really 
get a sense of why the roads were being split. You could argue that splitting a piece out 
"prior to surveying what the height restriction actually is" is ok, but i'd be worried 
that the "surveying" bit wouldn't actually happen. In one of the changeset discussions it 
was suggested to me that I could verify a height restriction by looking at GSV; naturally I 
mentioned that this would be an inappropriate source for OSM (and to be fair, when I last looked a 
few days ago I was unable to see any GSV-sourced heights.
  ‎
I'm away for a few days dodging raindrops in Wales so won't be able to deal 
with it directly, but as ever the best way of bringing it to the DWG's 
attention is the usual ‎d...@osmfoundation.org email address.

Cheers,
Andy (SomeoneElse)
‎

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Phil (trigpoint)

On Mon Oct 5 12:31:09 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote:

Dataone is at it again. He's not replied to my post.

As each edit is an individual changeset & therefore laborious to revert,
I think a temporary stop should be placed on him (both?) just until
their attentions are grabbed. Is there anyone on this forum able to it
or should I post in the talk forum?

Dave F.

On 05/10/2015 11:21, Tom Hukins wrote:

On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 10:19:47AM +0100, David Fisher wrote:

Just had the same thing happen near me (Croydon) but by a different
user (Zain Ahmad Hashmi, e.g.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34443141).

I've left a comment on this changeset. Hopefully this will help us
understand what's going on.

Tom

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[Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Dave F.]

Hi

A new editor has started splitting roads in my locale, but from what I 
can see making no tagging amendments. Am I missing something? If not I'd 
like to halt him before there's too much damage.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dataOne/history#map=11/51.2981/-1.9753

I've sent a message asking for clarification.

Cheers
Dave F.





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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[Philip Barnes]

On Fri Oct 2 14:47:05 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote:
> Hi
> 
> A new editor has started splitting roads in my locale, but from what I 
> can see making no tagging amendments. Am I missing something? If not I'd 
> like to halt him before there's too much damage.
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dataOne/history#map=11/51.2981/-1.9753
> 
> I've sent a message asking for clarification.
> 
I can see nothing othet than the splits, don't think you have missed anything. 

Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

[David Woolley]

On 02/10/15 20:26, Philip Barnes wrote:

On Fri Oct 2 14:47:05 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote:


A new editor has started splitting roads in my locale, but from what I
can see making no tagging amendments. Am I missing something? If not I'd
like to halt him before there's too much damage.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dataOne/history#map=11/51.2981/-1.9753

I've sent a message asking for clarification.


I can see nothing othet than the splits, don't think you have missed anything.



Even if this is a botched attempt at legitimate changes, the scale of 
the process makes it look like an un-sourced bulk import, possibly from 
an ineligible source.



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