Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Richard Mann]

Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.

My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street /
concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels. I'm
thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and
the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.

Richard

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Richard Mann <
richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Issues with the rendering are here:
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto
>
> I couldn't see anything about platforms (except as a side-issue on
> something else that had been closed), but I didn't search exhaustively.
>
> Richard
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>
>> Jerry - thanks for the post in the 3D forum. Richard (Mann)  where do I
>> check to see if a ticket has  been raised on the platform rendering?
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On 21 September 2015 at 21:16, SK53  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> I've put a couple of messages, one in the UK forum & one here in the 3D
>>> mapping forum
>>> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=548662#p548662.
>>>
>>> It's all fairly standard bboard software: I think OSM user name works.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> On 21 September 2015 at 13:34, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Jerry

 I'm not familiar with OSM fora - how do I find out? Or can you give me
 list and where they're found ;-)

 On 21 September 2015 at 12:13, SK53  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> Seems a very sensible request. It may be worth posting this to the
> forums. Marek who is very active in both 3D buildings & indoor mapping
> tends to be there and not on mailing lists. There are both 3D building &
> indoor mapping subfora too,
>
> Jerry
>
> On 20 September 2015 at 19:54, Brian Prangle 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I've blogged  about this and the
>> complexities involved with this multi-level and multi-purpose building. 
>> It
>> would be good if we can plan how to map this sensibly and co-ordinate
>> effort in an agreed way and not just have a  free-for-all accretion of 
>> POIs
>> and ways which will end up as an indecipherable tangle (it's pretty bad
>> already).
>>
>> Grand Central, the shopping mall on top of New Street station opens
>> this week on 24 September
>>
>> Assistance welcomed from railway, public transport and 3D mappers. If
>> there's any enthusiasm for helping local mappers I'll start a wiki 
>> project
>> page where we can record agreed protocols.
>>
>> Regards
>>
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>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Derick Rethans]

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:

> Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
> mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
> multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
> 
> My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street /
> concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels. I'm
> thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and
> the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.

I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and 
draw (where possible) the different shop outlines: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the 
footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1

It doesn't render well, but the data is there. 

cheers,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Brian Prangle]

All sounds great to me. So the platforms/lines will be layer-1; the station
concourse layer 0; Grand Central mall layer 1; short stay car park layer
2.  Problem: there are a couple of retail outlets each side of Southside
entrance which should be layer 0 to match the street, but layer -1 to refer
to station concourse. I've got outline location plans so can proceed to get
them added.

regards

Brian

On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:
>
> > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
> > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
> > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
> >
> > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street /
> > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels.
> I'm
> > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and
> > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.
>
> I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
> draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
> footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1
>
> It doesn't render well, but the data is there.
>
> cheers,
> Derick
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Brian Prangle]

I've put in the internal outlines for the concourse and populated a few
units. Thanks for the suggestion Marc I'll take a look.
Richard - I now like the bridge idea for layer 1 Grand Central Mall.

Should the entrances be rendered?

Regards

Brian



On 24 September 2015 at 19:53, SK53  wrote:

> Yes, I had meant to mention it. There was a nice presentation at SotM-Fr.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 24 September 2015 at 19:46, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>
>> Would a tool like http://github.pavie.info/openlevelup/ be of any help
>> to visualize the shops ?
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, SK53  wrote:
>>
>>> One strategy is to try & map shops at one level as areas; and map shops
>>> in remaining areas as nodes; the nodes can be slightly offset so that all
>>> are visible. It's a bit of a kludge, but providing the tagging is sensible
>>> about using layer & building:level etc, it's not tagging for the renderer,
>>> merely choosing a particular convention for mapping.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:

 > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
 > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
 > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
 >
 > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main
 street /
 > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other
 layers/levels. I'm
 > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes,
 and
 > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.

 I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
 draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
 footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1

 It doesn't render well, but the data is there.

 cheers,
 Derick

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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Brian Prangle]

I'm not sure that tagging the internal footways as bridges quite reflects
what's on the ground so I think we should just tag the layer

Rgds Brian

On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:
>
> > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
> > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
> > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
> >
> > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street /
> > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels.
> I'm
> > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and
> > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.
>
> I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
> draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
> footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1
>
> It doesn't render well, but the data is there.
>
> cheers,
> Derick
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[SK53]

Yes, I had meant to mention it. There was a nice presentation at SotM-Fr.

Jerry

On 24 September 2015 at 19:46, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> Would a tool like http://github.pavie.info/openlevelup/ be of any help to
> visualize the shops ?
>
> regards
>
> m
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, SK53  wrote:
>
>> One strategy is to try & map shops at one level as areas; and map shops
>> in remaining areas as nodes; the nodes can be slightly offset so that all
>> are visible. It's a bit of a kludge, but providing the tagging is sensible
>> about using layer & building:level etc, it's not tagging for the renderer,
>> merely choosing a particular convention for mapping.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:
>>>
>>> > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
>>> > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
>>> > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
>>> >
>>> > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main
>>> street /
>>> > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other
>>> layers/levels. I'm
>>> > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes,
>>> and
>>> > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.
>>>
>>> I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
>>> draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
>>> footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1
>>>
>>> It doesn't render well, but the data is there.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Derick
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Marc Gemis]

Would a tool like http://github.pavie.info/openlevelup/ be of any help to
visualize the shops ?

regards

m

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, SK53  wrote:

> One strategy is to try & map shops at one level as areas; and map shops in
> remaining areas as nodes; the nodes can be slightly offset so that all are
> visible. It's a bit of a kludge, but providing the tagging is sensible
> about using layer & building:level etc, it's not tagging for the renderer,
> merely choosing a particular convention for mapping.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:
>>
>> > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
>> > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
>> > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
>> >
>> > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street
>> /
>> > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels.
>> I'm
>> > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes,
>> and
>> > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.
>>
>> I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
>> draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
>> footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1
>>
>> It doesn't render well, but the data is there.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Derick
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[SK53]

One strategy is to try & map shops at one level as areas; and map shops in
remaining areas as nodes; the nodes can be slightly offset so that all are
visible. It's a bit of a kludge, but providing the tagging is sensible
about using layer & building:level etc, it's not tagging for the renderer,
merely choosing a particular convention for mapping.

Jerry

On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:
>
> > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
> > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
> > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
> >
> > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street /
> > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels.
> I'm
> > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and
> > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.
>
> I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
> draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
> footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1
>
> It doesn't render well, but the data is there.
>
> cheers,
> Derick
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Brian Prangle]

Jerry - thanks for the post in the 3D forum. Richard (Mann)  where do I
check to see if a ticket has  been raised on the platform rendering?

Rgds

Brian

On 21 September 2015 at 21:16, SK53  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> I've put a couple of messages, one in the UK forum & one here in the 3D
> mapping forum
> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=548662#p548662.
>
> It's all fairly standard bboard software: I think OSM user name works.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 21 September 2015 at 13:34, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jerry
>>
>> I'm not familiar with OSM fora - how do I find out? Or can you give me
>> list and where they're found ;-)
>>
>> On 21 September 2015 at 12:13, SK53  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> Seems a very sensible request. It may be worth posting this to the
>>> forums. Marek who is very active in both 3D buildings & indoor mapping
>>> tends to be there and not on mailing lists. There are both 3D building &
>>> indoor mapping subfora too,
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> On 20 September 2015 at 19:54, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone

 I've blogged  about this and the
 complexities involved with this multi-level and multi-purpose building. It
 would be good if we can plan how to map this sensibly and co-ordinate
 effort in an agreed way and not just have a  free-for-all accretion of POIs
 and ways which will end up as an indecipherable tangle (it's pretty bad
 already).

 Grand Central, the shopping mall on top of New Street station opens
 this week on 24 September

 Assistance welcomed from railway, public transport and 3D mappers. If
 there's any enthusiasm for helping local mappers I'll start a wiki project
 page where we can record agreed protocols.

 Regards

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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Richard Mann]

Issues with the rendering are here:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto

I couldn't see anything about platforms (except as a side-issue on
something else that had been closed), but I didn't search exhaustively.

Richard

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Jerry - thanks for the post in the 3D forum. Richard (Mann)  where do I
> check to see if a ticket has  been raised on the platform rendering?
>
> Rgds
>
> Brian
>
> On 21 September 2015 at 21:16, SK53  wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> I've put a couple of messages, one in the UK forum & one here in the 3D
>> mapping forum
>> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=548662#p548662.
>>
>> It's all fairly standard bboard software: I think OSM user name works.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On 21 September 2015 at 13:34, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jerry
>>>
>>> I'm not familiar with OSM fora - how do I find out? Or can you give me
>>> list and where they're found ;-)
>>>
>>> On 21 September 2015 at 12:13, SK53  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Brian,

 Seems a very sensible request. It may be worth posting this to the
 forums. Marek who is very active in both 3D buildings & indoor mapping
 tends to be there and not on mailing lists. There are both 3D building &
 indoor mapping subfora too,

 Jerry

 On 20 September 2015 at 19:54, Brian Prangle 
 wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> I've blogged  about this and the
> complexities involved with this multi-level and multi-purpose building. It
> would be good if we can plan how to map this sensibly and co-ordinate
> effort in an agreed way and not just have a  free-for-all accretion of 
> POIs
> and ways which will end up as an indecipherable tangle (it's pretty bad
> already).
>
> Grand Central, the shopping mall on top of New Street station opens
> this week on 24 September
>
> Assistance welcomed from railway, public transport and 3D mappers. If
> there's any enthusiasm for helping local mappers I'll start a wiki project
> page where we can record agreed protocols.
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[SK53]

Hi Brian,

Seems a very sensible request. It may be worth posting this to the forums.
Marek who is very active in both 3D buildings & indoor mapping tends to be
there and not on mailing lists. There are both 3D building & indoor mapping
subfora too,

Jerry

On 20 September 2015 at 19:54, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> I've blogged  about this and the
> complexities involved with this multi-level and multi-purpose building. It
> would be good if we can plan how to map this sensibly and co-ordinate
> effort in an agreed way and not just have a  free-for-all accretion of POIs
> and ways which will end up as an indecipherable tangle (it's pretty bad
> already).
>
> Grand Central, the shopping mall on top of New Street station opens this
> week on 24 September
>
> Assistance welcomed from railway, public transport and 3D mappers. If
> there's any enthusiasm for helping local mappers I'll start a wiki project
> page where we can record agreed protocols.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Richard Mann]

Well, it's going to be a struggle to get a good result while the default
rendering puts layer=-1 platforms on top of layer=0 footways. Has anyone
raised a ticket for that?

Richard

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:13 PM, SK53  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> Seems a very sensible request. It may be worth posting this to the forums.
> Marek who is very active in both 3D buildings & indoor mapping tends to be
> there and not on mailing lists. There are both 3D building & indoor mapping
> subfora too,
>
> Jerry
>
> On 20 September 2015 at 19:54, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I've blogged  about this and the
>> complexities involved with this multi-level and multi-purpose building. It
>> would be good if we can plan how to map this sensibly and co-ordinate
>> effort in an agreed way and not just have a  free-for-all accretion of POIs
>> and ways which will end up as an indecipherable tangle (it's pretty bad
>> already).
>>
>> Grand Central, the shopping mall on top of New Street station opens this
>> week on 24 September
>>
>> Assistance welcomed from railway, public transport and 3D mappers. If
>> there's any enthusiasm for helping local mappers I'll start a wiki project
>> page where we can record agreed protocols.
>>
>> Regards
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Neil Matthews]

I want to flag up a couple of "historical edits" in Bristol:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34126960
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34147883

it might be wise to check other edits from this user.

Many thanks,
Neil (ndm)

P.S. Unfortunately, the "whodidit" service isn't operating 100% -- this 
makes it harder to pick up problems.


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