Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
Hello gents (and ladies?), I am new to OSM and mapping but have an interest in rights of way - particularly unsurfaced roads. These are generally referred to as byways, ORPAs, UCRs . I see that the OSM data has some of these, but possibly only 10% to 20% coverage. There are a few things I'd like to do to improve this. (1) Surveys - I am doing what I can but it's a slow process. (2) Update designation='public_byway' to designation='byway_open_to_all_traffic' or designation='restricted_byway' as appropriate Perhaps a FIXME tag on designation='public_byway' would be useful - any advice on this welcome. (3) Use council definitive statements to update the data semi-automatically as I understand the licensing may be ok. (4) Create more knowledge/clarity on tagging UCRs/ORPAs/unsurfaced roads. I am trying to understand the optimum tagging from the OSM KB here, and update/collate this. Any help/advice would be very welcome. Also - a meetup/mapping party/social would be good.. I'm based in Haslemere, Surrey (bordering Surrey/Sussex/Hampshire). Peter On 20 April 2012 09:21, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > > > > > >>> I'm up for it. Finding enough to sustain a mapping party might be > >>> difficult (South Hants is more or less road and footpath complete) but > >>> we could make it a social. Anyone else interested? > > > >>> Andy > >> > >> Yes, I'd be interested. Robert - I'm aware of you via 'robbieonsea' > edits (usually in the exact same type of areas I tend to go!) so would be > great to meet up >>with you. Anyone else - Caroline? 'Sailor Steve' ? > > >Sure. Also I bumped into jjrscott last night, he might be interested too. > > OK, shall I do a doodle poll? > > How does somewhere in Southampton sound? Could be Portsmouth or Winchester > if people would prefer that. > > Nick > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
> >>> I'm up for it. Finding enough to sustain a mapping party might be >>> difficult (South Hants is more or less road and footpath complete) but >>> we could make it a social. Anyone else interested? > >>> Andy >> >> Yes, I'd be interested. Robert - I'm aware of you via 'robbieonsea' edits >> (usually in the exact same type of areas I tend to go!) so would be great to >> meet up >>with you. Anyone else - Caroline? 'Sailor Steve' ? >Sure. Also I bumped into jjrscott last night, he might be interested too. OK, shall I do a doodle poll? How does somewhere in Southampton sound? Could be Portsmouth or Winchester if people would prefer that. Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
On 14/04/2012 21:46, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Maybe we should organize an East Hampshire OSM people (maybe for a pub walk / or mapping party ) get together some time this>>summer - it would be great to meet AndyS, NickW and any other like minded individuals. I'm up for it. Finding enough to sustain a mapping party might be difficult (South Hants is more or less road and footpath complete) but we could make it a social. Anyone else interested? Andy Yes, I'd be interested. Robert - I'm aware of you via 'robbieonsea' edits (usually in the exact same type of areas I tend to go!) so would be great to meet up with you. Anyone else - Caroline? 'Sailor Steve' ? Sure. Also I bumped into jjrscott last night, he might be interested too. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
On 16/04/2012 12:26, Barnett, Phillip wrote: Off -topic --- Apparently it's not been a good year for bluebells - wrong kind of spring. The ones in my garden have flowered for the first time in years! ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
It is a bit early though, they're normally late April/Early May. I have seen a few this year though. I guess the warm March and cold, wet April must confuse a fair few things, though it seems a good one for blossom. The colder weather seems to have put a brake on the over-advanced development seen during March, which is good if you don't want spring to end too early. Nick -"Barnett, Phillip" wrote: - To: 'Robert Norris' , "talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" From: "Barnett, Phillip" Date: 16/04/2012 12:27PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? Off -topic --- Apparently it's not been a good year for bluebells - wrong kind of spring. -Original Message- From: Robert Norris [mailto:rw_nor...@hotmail.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 19:39 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:27:31 +0100 > From: openstreet...@jordan-maynard.org > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? > > On 29/03/2012 19:30, Robert Norris wrote: > > > > I've just noticed Bere Forest (and trails) has been wiped from the map: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.91178&lon=-1.15578&zoom=15 > > > > It's literally empty space! > > > > Probably most where Andy Steets initial trials, but he's agreed so > > was there some over zealous deletion by some one? > > > > Unfortunately the history service contains to many world edits to be > > of use, and the general OSM history is quit slow at the moment. > > I think user monxton has tried to repair stuff. > > If it helps, I don't mind if you revert my changesets to get back to a > better place. I reinstated the roads, but clearly there's a lot more > that went missing too. > This afternoon I went to the Forest of Bere in search of Bluebells as recommended by the Woodland Trust website [1] However it didn't live up to it's 5 star rating, but it was quite nice nevertheless - maybe I'm a bit late for Bluebells - there were some but not that many. So I've had a good wander and should be able to redo most main tracks (there's also loads of little paths - which where never in before anyway - not that I walked many of them). What's all nice is the Forestry Commission allow you to cycle on *all* paths, and horse riding is by permit only (tag as 'horse=permit' ?) I'll remap it time permitting tomorrow morning (out and about tonight) plus fixing the longer routes that go through it from previous outings / and renewed knowledge. I didn't go to the north parts of the Upperford Copse section though. [1]http://visitwoods.org.uk/en/visit-woods/Pages/get-involved.aspx ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems.___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
Off -topic --- Apparently it's not been a good year for bluebells - wrong kind of spring. -Original Message- From: Robert Norris [mailto:rw_nor...@hotmail.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 19:39 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:27:31 +0100 > From: openstreet...@jordan-maynard.org > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? > > On 29/03/2012 19:30, Robert Norris wrote: > > > > I've just noticed Bere Forest (and trails) has been wiped from the map: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.91178&lon=-1.15578&zoom=15 > > > > It's literally empty space! > > > > Probably most where Andy Steets initial trials, but he's agreed so > > was there some over zealous deletion by some one? > > > > Unfortunately the history service contains to many world edits to be > > of use, and the general OSM history is quit slow at the moment. > > I think user monxton has tried to repair stuff. > > If it helps, I don't mind if you revert my changesets to get back to a > better place. I reinstated the roads, but clearly there's a lot more > that went missing too. > This afternoon I went to the Forest of Bere in search of Bluebells as recommended by the Woodland Trust website [1] However it didn't live up to it's 5 star rating, but it was quite nice nevertheless - maybe I'm a bit late for Bluebells - there were some but not that many. So I've had a good wander and should be able to redo most main tracks (there's also loads of little paths - which where never in before anyway - not that I walked many of them). What's all nice is the Forestry Commission allow you to cycle on *all* paths, and horse riding is by permit only (tag as 'horse=permit' ?) I'll remap it time permitting tomorrow morning (out and about tonight) plus fixing the longer routes that go through it from previous outings / and renewed knowledge. I didn't go to the north parts of the Upperford Copse section though. [1]http://visitwoods.org.uk/en/visit-woods/Pages/get-involved.aspx ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
>> Maybe we should organize an East Hampshire OSM people (maybe for a pub walk >> / or mapping party ) get together some time this >>summer - it would be >> great to meet AndyS, NickW and any other like minded individuals. >I'm up for it. Finding enough to sustain a mapping party might be >difficult (South Hants is more or less road and footpath complete) but >we could make it a social. Anyone else interested? >Andy Yes, I'd be interested. Robert - I'm aware of you via 'robbieonsea' edits (usually in the exact same type of areas I tend to go!) so would be great to meet up with you. Anyone else - Caroline? 'Sailor Steve' ? Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
On Sat, 2012-04-14 at 13:04 +0100, Robert Norris wrote: > IIRC the OSM map before had the Upperford Copse as footpaths only which is > correct (I remember once going to cycle there several years ago but found out > I was not allowed). The Southern section (name North Boarhunt?) only has > signs about 'Riders needing permits', which previously I thought applied to > cyclists. But now I think means Horse Riders. Yes, I mapped the paths in Upperford Cose as highway=footway when I originally surveyed them years ago. I guess it is understandable that the FC want to discourage riders in that area as the paths are generally much narrower than the rest of the forest. > Well I've now finished my edits > (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/robbieonsea/edits) and hopefully got them > right, but still many more paths there and the 'Oak Trail' is only partly > surveyed. It's looking great. From what I recall there are some more paths in the South-West corner near the A32 but it certainly looks like all the main ones are covered. > Maybe we should organize an East Hampshire OSM people (maybe for a pub walk / > or mapping party ) get together some time this summer - it would be great to > meet AndyS, NickW and any other like minded individuals. I'm up for it. Finding enough to sustain a mapping party might be difficult (South Hants is more or less road and footpath complete) but we could make it a social. Anyone else interested? Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
> > > > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:27:31 +0100 > > > From: openstreet...@jordan-maynard.org > > > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > > > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? > > > > > > On 29/03/2012 19:30, Robert Norris wrote: > > > > > > > > I've just noticed Bere Forest (and trails) has been wiped from the map: > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.91178&lon=-1.15578&zoom=15 > > > > > > > > It's literally empty space! > > > > > > > > Probably most where Andy Steets initial trials, but he's agreed so was > > > > there some over zealous deletion by some one? > > > > > > > > Unfortunately the history service contains to many world edits to be of > > > > use, and the general OSM history is quit slow at the moment. > > > > I think user monxton has tried to repair stuff. > > > > > > If it helps, I don't mind if you revert my changesets to get back to a > > > better place. I reinstated the roads, but clearly there's a lot more > > > that went missing too. > > > > > > > This afternoon I went to the Forest of Bere in search of Bluebells as > > recommended by the Woodland Trust website [1] > > > > However it didn't live up to it's 5 star rating, but it was quite nice > > nevertheless - maybe I'm a bit late for Bluebells - there were some but not > > that many. I now realise the 5 star rating is for overall wood, not just the Bluebell quality (my mistake). > I've not been down there this year but IIRC the Upperford Copse/Woodend > bit is often a good area for Bluebells. Doh! That's the bit I didn't go to. That needs remapping especially for the missing Soberton and Newtown Millennium Walk route. > > So I've had a good wander and should be able to redo most main tracks > > (there's also loads of little paths - which where never in before anyway - > > not that I walked many of them). > > Great stuff! > > > What's all nice is the Forestry Commission allow you to cycle on *all* > > paths, and horse riding is by permit only (tag as 'horse=permit' ?) > > Be careful as not all parts of the forest have the same access > permissions. As a rule of thumb I'd say that it is worth double checking > any part of the forest that you have to cross a road to access. Yes, although their own leaflet which I picked up there (West Walk section) I quote "The Forestry Commission welcomes walkers, cyclists and horse riders to use any of the forest trails. Horse riders will need a permit, ...". Also available here: (http://www.forestry.gov.uk/pdf/WestWalk.pdf/$FILE/WestWalk.pdf) IIRC the OSM map before had the Upperford Copse as footpaths only which is correct (I remember once going to cycle there several years ago but found out I was not allowed). The Southern section (name North Boarhunt?) only has signs about 'Riders needing permits', which previously I thought applied to cyclists. But now I think means Horse Riders. Well I've now finished my edits (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/robbieonsea/edits) and hopefully got them right, but still many more paths there and the 'Oak Trail' is only partly surveyed. > > I'll remap it time permitting tomorrow morning (out and about tonight) plus > > fixing the longer routes that go through it from previous outings / and > > renewed knowledge. > > > > I didn't go to the north parts of the Upperford Copse section though. > > > > [1]http://visitwoods.org.uk/en/visit-woods/Pages/get-involved.aspx > > > > It looks like the rain is clearing here so I'll probably try and get out > this afternoon to put some of Swanmore parish back on the map. I've > started up the Bishop's Waltham & Dundridge valley end and slowly making > my way back towards the village. I was lucky yesterday - the sky looked quite black when I started and tried to rain - but then it rapidly improved into sunshine :) > Cheers, > > Andy > Maybe we should organize an East Hampshire OSM people (maybe for a pub walk / or mapping party ) get together some time this summer - it would be great to meet AndyS, NickW and any other like minded individuals. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
On Fri, 2012-04-13 at 19:39 +0100, Robert Norris wrote: > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:27:31 +0100 > > From: openstreet...@jordan-maynard.org > > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? > > > > On 29/03/2012 19:30, Robert Norris wrote: > > > > > > I've just noticed Bere Forest (and trails) has been wiped from the map: > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.91178&lon=-1.15578&zoom=15 > > > > > > It's literally empty space! > > > > > > Probably most where Andy Steets initial trials, but he's agreed so was > > > there some over zealous deletion by some one? > > > > > > Unfortunately the history service contains to many world edits to be of > > > use, and the general OSM history is quit slow at the moment. > > > I think user monxton has tried to repair stuff. > > > > If it helps, I don't mind if you revert my changesets to get back to a > > better place. I reinstated the roads, but clearly there's a lot more > > that went missing too. > > > > This afternoon I went to the Forest of Bere in search of Bluebells as > recommended by the Woodland Trust website [1] > > However it didn't live up to it's 5 star rating, but it was quite nice > nevertheless - maybe I'm a bit late for Bluebells - there were some but not > that many. I've not been down there this year but IIRC the Upperford Copse/Woodend bit is often a good area for Bluebells. > So I've had a good wander and should be able to redo most main tracks > (there's also loads of little paths - which where never in before anyway - > not that I walked many of them). Great stuff! > What's all nice is the Forestry Commission allow you to cycle on *all* paths, > and horse riding is by permit only (tag as 'horse=permit' ?) Be careful as not all parts of the forest have the same access permissions. As a rule of thumb I'd say that it is worth double checking any part of the forest that you have to cross a road to access. > I'll remap it time permitting tomorrow morning (out and about tonight) plus > fixing the longer routes that go through it from previous outings / and > renewed knowledge. > > I didn't go to the north parts of the Upperford Copse section though. > > [1]http://visitwoods.org.uk/en/visit-woods/Pages/get-involved.aspx > It looks like the rain is clearing here so I'll probably try and get out this afternoon to put some of Swanmore parish back on the map. I've started up the Bishop's Waltham & Dundridge valley end and slowly making my way back towards the village. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:27:31 +0100 > From: openstreet...@jordan-maynard.org > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? > > On 29/03/2012 19:30, Robert Norris wrote: > > > > I've just noticed Bere Forest (and trails) has been wiped from the map: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.91178&lon=-1.15578&zoom=15 > > > > It's literally empty space! > > > > Probably most where Andy Steets initial trials, but he's agreed so was > > there some over zealous deletion by some one? > > > > Unfortunately the history service contains to many world edits to be of > > use, and the general OSM history is quit slow at the moment. > > I think user monxton has tried to repair stuff. > > If it helps, I don't mind if you revert my changesets to get back to a > better place. I reinstated the roads, but clearly there's a lot more > that went missing too. > This afternoon I went to the Forest of Bere in search of Bluebells as recommended by the Woodland Trust website [1] However it didn't live up to it's 5 star rating, but it was quite nice nevertheless - maybe I'm a bit late for Bluebells - there were some but not that many. So I've had a good wander and should be able to redo most main tracks (there's also loads of little paths - which where never in before anyway - not that I walked many of them). What's all nice is the Forestry Commission allow you to cycle on *all* paths, and horse riding is by permit only (tag as 'horse=permit' ?) I'll remap it time permitting tomorrow morning (out and about tonight) plus fixing the longer routes that go through it from previous outings / and renewed knowledge. I didn't go to the north parts of the Upperford Copse section though. [1]http://visitwoods.org.uk/en/visit-woods/Pages/get-involved.aspx ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
On Wed, 2012-04-04 at 13:12 +0100, monxton wrote: > On 29/03/2012 21:38, Andy Street wrote: > > > > Yes, there were some rather over zealous remappers in this area. > > Swanmore, the Forest of Bere and the surrounding area was left in a > > right old mess which I'll have to fix. Sadly with the number of > > overlapping changesets it's not going to be a simple revert job so this > > weekend I'll probably end up going "scorched earth" on the whole area > > followed by a proper on the ground re-survey. > > Andy, some large sections of the outline of the South Downs NP have also > gone for walk. Do you have the data to repair them too? My original import of the SDNP boundary came from the OS OpenData Strategi product and I am currently in the middle of repairing the missing sections. The Strategi data is rather low-res so if anyone has some free time and fancies some armchair mapping then improving the quality of the data would be a useful task. It is quite easy to see where the boundary follows the edges of fields, woods, residential areas, etc; just use the Strategi data as a guide and think like a planning inspector! Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
On 29/03/2012 21:38, Andy Street wrote: Yes, there were some rather over zealous remappers in this area. Swanmore, the Forest of Bere and the surrounding area was left in a right old mess which I'll have to fix. Sadly with the number of overlapping changesets it's not going to be a simple revert job so this weekend I'll probably end up going "scorched earth" on the whole area followed by a proper on the ground re-survey. Andy, some large sections of the outline of the South Downs NP have also gone for walk. Do you have the data to repair them too? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
On 29/03/2012 19:30, Robert Norris wrote: I've just noticed Bere Forest (and trails) has been wiped from the map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.91178&lon=-1.15578&zoom=15 It's literally empty space! Probably most where Andy Steets initial trials, but he's agreed so was there some over zealous deletion by some one? Unfortunately the history service contains to many world edits to be of use, and the general OSM history is quit slow at the moment. I think user monxton has tried to repair stuff. If it helps, I don't mind if you revert my changesets to get back to a better place. I reinstated the roads, but clearly there's a lot more that went missing too. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 19:30 +0100, Robert Norris wrote: > Probably most where Andy Steets initial trials, but he's agreed so was > there some over zealous deletion by some one? Yes, there were some rather over zealous remappers in this area. Swanmore, the Forest of Bere and the surrounding area was left in a right old mess which I'll have to fix. Sadly with the number of overlapping changesets it's not going to be a simple revert job so this weekend I'll probably end up going "scorched earth" on the whole area followed by a proper on the ground re-survey. Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
Andy's aware of it. Could be zealotry or an honest mistake by an inexperienced mapper... that or someone's used it as a nuclear test site :-) Nick -Robert Norris wrote: - To: From: Robert Norris Date: 29/03/2012 07:30PM Subject: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? I've just noticed Bere Forest (and trails) has been wiped from the map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.91178&lon=-1.15578&zoom=15 It's literally empty space! Probably most where Andy Steets initial trials, but he's agreed so was there some over zealous deletion by some one? Unfortunately the history service contains to many world edits to be of use, and the general OSM history is quit slow at the moment. I think user monxton has tried to repair stuff. I suspect this happened may be over a week ago. Unfortunately I'm not around from now & over the weekend to investigate further. It would be great if someone else could investigate. Thanks in advance. Be Seeing You - Rob. If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
