Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential properties in rural areas
Many thanks for the comments. I will now stick to Highway=Service for direct access from roads to Farmyards. I will also use this for residential properties set back from the road as there are quite a few old farms/farm buildings being converted into residential use. I will also try and remember to use Access=Private when there is no public right of way designation. I doubt that there will every be rendering for UK public rights of way on the main OSM map but it does render Highways that are tagged as private differently and it is helpful to know when a path goes through a Farmyard etc if the Highway connecting the Farmyard is a public right of way or not. Regards Dudley > From: nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:47:18 + > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential > properties in rural areas > > > Oops - highway=service, not surface... > > -Nick Whitelegg/FT/Solent wrote: - > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > From: Nick Whitelegg/FT/Solent > Date: 12/03/2013 11:46AM > Subject: Re: Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential > properties in rural areas > > > >This may be a matter of style but it seems that both Highway=Service and > >Highway=Track are used for the access highways to farms and also residential > >properties in rural areas. I must admit I was using High=Track based on > >>whether it was paved (tarmac) or not. i.e. tarmac would suggest > >Highway=Service but looking closer at the wiki it appears that > >Highway=Service isn't dependent on this. It would also appear that there > >has been an import > >(source tag) that has tagged Highway=Service in some areas for Farm access. > > I would generally always use highway=surface for these, plus surface=unpaved > if necessary. > > The exception is where it appears to be a public road rather than private > drive. Diagnostic features for this would include "Give Way" markers on the > road, the "T" no through road sign, or a road name. > In these cases I would use highway=unclassified. > > Nick > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential properties in rural areas
Oops - highway=service, not surface... -Nick Whitelegg/FT/Solent wrote: - To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: Nick Whitelegg/FT/Solent Date: 12/03/2013 11:46AM Subject: Re: Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential properties in rural areas >This may be a matter of style but it seems that both Highway=Service and >Highway=Track are used for the access highways to farms and also residential >properties in rural areas. I must admit I was using High=Track based on >>whether it was paved (tarmac) or not. i.e. tarmac would suggest >Highway=Service but looking closer at the wiki it appears that Highway=Service >isn't dependent on this. It would also appear that there has been an import >(source tag) that has tagged Highway=Service in some areas for Farm access. I would generally always use highway=surface for these, plus surface=unpaved if necessary. The exception is where it appears to be a public road rather than private drive. Diagnostic features for this would include "Give Way" markers on the road, the "T" no through road sign, or a road name. In these cases I would use highway=unclassified. Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential properties in rural areas
>This may be a matter of style but it seems that both Highway=Service and >Highway=Track are used for the access highways to farms and also residential >properties in rural areas. I must admit I was using High=Track based on >>whether it was paved (tarmac) or not. i.e. tarmac would suggest >Highway=Service but looking closer at the wiki it appears that Highway=Service >isn't dependent on this. It would also appear that there has been an import >(source tag) that has tagged Highway=Service in some areas for Farm access. I would generally always use highway=surface for these, plus surface=unpaved if necessary. The exception is where it appears to be a public road rather than private drive. Diagnostic features for this would include "Give Way" markers on the road, the "T" no through road sign, or a road name. In these cases I would use highway=unclassified. Ncik ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential properties in rural areas
Kevin Peat wrote: On 11 Mar 2013 21:27, "Dudley Ibbett" mailto:dudleyibb...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > Is there a correct answer for this or is it a matter of mapping style? I am leaning towards using Highway=Service for these and keeping Highway=Track for "tracks" that link from fields to farms or roads to fields (i.e. not from roads to farmyards or residential properties... > Modern farms are more like industrial estates with access designed for 40t trucks and massive farm machinery so in those cases I favour highway=service for the main farm access road even if it has a central divide like a track might have. Highway=track is better for typical bridleways, green lanes, etc that only a tractor or 4x4 could use. I tend to follow the same rule. As soon as there is a diversity of premises on the way then it tends to get 'service'. A single residence would not normally have it's drive shown, but where it may have public access to walk down, 'track' seems less formal? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential properties in rural areas
Dudley, On 11 Mar 2013 21:27, "Dudley Ibbett" wrote: > > Is there a correct answer for this or is it a matter of mapping style? I am leaning towards using Highway=Service for these and keeping Highway=Track for "tracks" that link from fields to farms or roads to fields (i.e. not from roads to farmyards or residential properties... > Modern farms are more like industrial estates with access designed for 40t trucks and massive farm machinery so in those cases I favour highway=service for the main farm access road even if it has a central divide like a track might have. Highway=track is better for typical bridleways, green lanes, etc that only a tractor or 4x4 could use. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential properties in rural areas
I tend to use the combination of service/driveway, for roads that lead to residential buildings or farm houses, even when they have other farm buildings around them. Tracks i tend to use for "roads" that go just to barns, farm out buildings, or to fields. Jason (Unieagle) Connected by Motorola Dudley Ibbett wrote: > >Hi > >This may be a matter of style but it seems that both Highway=Service and >Highway=Track are used for the access highways to farms and also residential >properties in rural areas. I must admit I was using High=Track based on >whether it was paved (tarmac) or not. i.e. tarmac would suggest >Highway=Service but looking closer at the wiki it appears that Highway=Service >isn't dependent on this. It would also appear that there has been an import >(source tag) that has tagged Highway=Service in some areas for Farm access. > >Is there a correct answer for this or is it a matter of mapping style? I am >leaning towards using Highway=Service for these and keeping Highway=Track for >"tracks" that link from fields to farms or roads to fields (i.e. not from >roads to farmyards or residential properties). It would seem to suggest this >in the wiki on Track. The wiki would also suggest the use of Service=Driveway >when using Highway=Service. > >Has anyone come to a conclusion on this? > >Many Thanks > >Dudley > > > > > > > > >___ >Talk-GB mailing list >Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential properties in rural areas
On Mon, 2013-03-11 at 23:11 +, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > I'd say that a track only exists because vehicles have passed that > way, > and will only exist while vehicles continue to use it (which in some > ways implies it's unfenced), whereas an unsurfaced/dirt service road > has been constructed in some way, even if it's not been sealed or > metalled. To me a road is something that I can comfortably drive my normal non-4x4 car along at roughly the same sort of speed that I could on a regular well maintained sealed highway. A track on the other hand would be probably passable by a normal car (but not always), slower speeds and a desire to use it only if it is required to reach my destination. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential properties in rural areas
On 11/03/2013 21:26, Dudley Ibbett wrote: > Is there a correct answer for this or is it a matter of mapping style? > I am leaning towards using Highway=Service for these and keeping > Highway=Track for "tracks" that link from fields to farms or roads to > fields (i.e. not from roads to farmyards or residential properties). It > would seem to suggest this in the wiki on Track. The wiki would also > suggest the use of Service=Driveway when using Highway=Service. I'd say that a track only exists because vehicles have passed that way, and will only exist while vehicles continue to use it (which in some ways implies it's unfenced), whereas an unsurfaced/dirt service road has been constructed in some way, even if it's not been sealed or metalled. Does that help? Jonathan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Highways Leading to Farms and single residential properties in rural areas
Hi This may be a matter of style but it seems that both Highway=Service and Highway=Track are used for the access highways to farms and also residential properties in rural areas. I must admit I was using High=Track based on whether it was paved (tarmac) or not. i.e. tarmac would suggest Highway=Service but looking closer at the wiki it appears that Highway=Service isn't dependent on this. It would also appear that there has been an import (source tag) that has tagged Highway=Service in some areas for Farm access. Is there a correct answer for this or is it a matter of mapping style? I am leaning towards using Highway=Service for these and keeping Highway=Track for "tracks" that link from fields to farms or roads to fields (i.e. not from roads to farmyards or residential properties). It would seem to suggest this in the wiki on Track. The wiki would also suggest the use of Service=Driveway when using Highway=Service. Has anyone come to a conclusion on this? Many Thanks Dudley ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
