Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Node vs. relation for railway station

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

This schema is straight from the osm wiki on how to map stations

Regards

Brian

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, 16:31 Andy Mabbett,  wrote:

> I'm not sure why we need (for example) this node:
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/21257480
>
> for Perry Barr railway station, when we have a relation:
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6892614
>
> Can someone explain the reason; or can we agree to move tags from the
> node to the relation?
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mapping of roads in Digbeth

[Brian Prangle]

Agreed. I change them when I come across them

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022, 14:31 Nathan Case,  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> First time posting to this mailing list as I'm new (ish) to the area.
>
> I've found that a lot of the roads in Digbeth (Birmingham) are tagged as
> residential roads. These roads, as far as I'm aware, are minor roads
> through a fairly industrial part of town. I'd have thought they'd be
> better tagged as unclassified.
>
> An example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4928916/history
>
> Streetview link:
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@52.4761302,-1.8821697,3a,75y,121.59h,95.49t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suTQd72R3sEPSM92JbYfjRg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DuTQd72R3sEPSM92JbYfjRg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D43.86864%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
>
> I can see many (all?) were changed from unclassified to residential
> about 4 years ago in a rather large changeset
> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57843252) by a now-banned user
> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1898).
>
> I know there isn't a huge difference between these unclassified and
> residential in terms of route planning or rendering, but do you agree
> they should be reverted back to unclassified?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Nathan
>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Restarting face to face meetings

[Brian Prangle]

We should get these going again. If you younger folk want to get it going
again please do so - I shall wait probably until May before I feel
confident about mixing outside my immediate circle but if infections
decrease substantially in April I might be tempted

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Access to High Street, Birmingham for blue badge holders.

[Brian Prangle]

I've changed it to motor_vehicle=destination as that is the most sense I
could make of the wiki. Your link Rob was all in German.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 at 19:45, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> No it's the other way round. More specific tags override the general tags.
>
> So in the example
>
> access=destination
> motor_vehicle=no
>
> The first tag marks all transport modes (including foot) as destination
> only, and motor_vehicle then changes this for that specific subset of
> transportation modes to "no". In effect this is saying motorised vehicles
> are not allowed, while non motorised vehicles, (horses) and pedestrians are
> only allowed when going to their destination.
>
> Simplified Hierarchy diagram:
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:access#/media/File%3AAccess_hierarchy_simple2.png
>
> Best regards
> Rob
>
>
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 12:55 Andy Mabbett, 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 at 09:33, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> >
>> > I've added the 7 disabled spaces round the corner on Albert Street and
>> New Meeting
>> > Street.
>>
>> Thank you, but I think your edit may have failed to save (or someone
>> has since deleted them). I can find no such objects (I can see you
>> node in High Street).
>>
>> > I've used access=destination
>>
>> I'm still confused, as we now have roads with:
>>
>>access=destination
>>motor_vehicle=no
>>
>> Is there an implicit priority whereby the former overrides the latter?
>>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Access to High Street, Birmingham for blue badge holders.

[Brian Prangle]

I had a good nose round yesterday and updated the area. The disabled space
opposite Boots also has "Taxi" marking on the road so what the status is is
anyone's guess. The issue is moot  as there is a trench right through most
of it so I've amended it to amenity:disused. I've added the 7 disabled
spaces round the corner on Albert Street and New Meeting Street. I've also
referenced the TRO in a note tag. I've used access=destination  as this
seems correct from the TRO

Regards

Brian

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 at 13:30, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 22:09, Ryan Underwood 
> wrote:
>
> > The section between Carrs Lane and Dale End is shut to all traffic
> except buses and, I imagine, black cabs.
>
> Vehicles used[*] by Blue Badge holders may also use this section;
> indeed, it is their only option once they have traversed Carrs Lane.
>
> Note that the restriction sign also permits "loading at any time", and
> "authorised vehicles 7pm-6am".
>
>
> [*] This includes vehicles which have already dropped off, or are
> about to pick up, Blue Badge holders, on the road(s) concerned.
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Access to High Street, Birmingham for blue badge holders.

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

Don't recall seeing any BB spaces there but the whole place is a mess with
the tram roadworks and the data is probably a mess too -I gave up on trying
to fix it after so many people editing trying to interpret the bus gates.
When are you going in? Can't guarantee when I'll be in the city next

Regards

Brian

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 19:50, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> I'm planning a trip by car to central Birmingham for a relative who
> has restricted mobility, and so has a blue badge.
>
> Birmingham CIty Council say there are three spaces for BB holders on
> the stretch of High Street between Carrs Lane and Dale End, opposite
> Boots.
>
> OSM has that length of road as "motor_vehicle=no"; it has the same on
> Carrs Lane; and on the stretch of Moor Street Queensway after Albert
> Street, by which one would approach Carrs Lane from the north (Aston
> University) end. The southern end of Dale End (which one would have to
> use to leave the area; presuming Lower Bull Street is still closed) is
> marked "acccess=destination".
>
> Are these incorrect?
>
> GSV shows a "Pedestrian and cycle zone - except Blue badge [and other
> exceptions]" sign on MSQ, after Albert Street when coming from the
> north, but in images dated March 2021; and the same on Carrs Lane,
> from September 2020. Are they still there?
>
> Can Carrs Lane be approached via MSQ from Digbeth?
>
> I can do a survey during the trip, but this is chicken-and-egg!
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Perry Barr Island redesign

[Brian Prangle]

Visited Perry Barr today. What a mess! I've updated stuff as best as I can.
I'm sure it's not all correct and there's still lots of change to come.
Needs a constant watch. It looks like the railway station is nearly complete

Regards

Brian

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 22:17, Ryan Underwood 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The Perry Barr island (A4040 and A34 Birchfield Road) was recently
> redesigned. It's no longer a roundabout and is now a regular four way
> intersection.  If you have a look at Google Maps you'll see they've already
> got it updated. There should be a diagram buried somewhere on Birmingham
> City Council's website for the new road layout, however I can't locate it
> after a brief search.
>
> Would anybody be willing to do a bit of digging and perhaps ground level
> surveying to get this new layout in place on OSM?  Would do it myself but a
> bit busy with other ventures at the moment!
>
> Might be a bit of fiddling needed for bus route relations on the many
> segments of the existing roundabout lines.
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ryan.
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Disability wheelchair curb project

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Mark

You have a great project to undertake. It's unlikely I'll have the time to
do a workshop- even a brief one (and I suspect there will be no others
either as we're all volunteers) but the resources I've indicated below
should be a good guide. You know OpenStreetMap already so these resources
should be sufficient for you and there's nothing that can beat learning by
doing!  If you have any questions or problems that crop up then email the
local talk list but frankly there's more activity on the national talk-gb
list and you're more likely to get a rapid response there

Happy Mapping

Brian

Why OpenStreetMap? 
is a great and brief introduction

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wheelchair  is a good place to
start for how to map wheelchair access

Wheelmap  is good app for
showing whether establishments have wheelchair accessibility

Wheelchair routing 
is a German project but has a wealth of information on highway attributes
to survey and how to map them (in English)

If you only want to map dropped kerbs/ tactile paving then this page
 is a good guide

There are a variety of mobile apps to assist in mapping but I find them
clumsy and slow  to use and for beginners it could get overwhelming.
Vespucci is the leader, Mapzen is another. Others may have  a different
opinion.

Best to either annotate a GPS logger in the field (multiple mobile apps
available) and then upload at home/office/cafe to a laptop and edit with ID
(beginners/intermediate) or JOSM (advanced)

Whilst surveying it's easy to miss things so a photo is a good idea
.Kartaview or Mapillary are two "OSM-approved" apps that will upload photos
to your editor of choice, and also make them available to other mappers

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:59 AM Mark Croft Redditch Linux Mint <
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>
>>
> Hi
>
> We at kickstart project are going too bring back the project back.too life.
>
> The idea is that we map a small area of city too show where all.the curbs
> for wheelchair users to find shortage route n.navigation around town..
>
> Anyone can do a small.talk.about osm?
>
> Help with what app too use on a mobile device to tag the kurbs on the map?
>
> The principles of open data how too stop it getting tie too closed source
> data. We want the data too.be used as much as possible.. Hopefully used
> in a satnav app.
>
> We can come too you n have this meeting
>
> We based in Kidderminster..
>
> Mark Redditch
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Wishaw Lane, Minworth and the Peddimore industrial development

[Brian Prangle]

Well done Andy saved me a trip

On Sun, 10 Oct 2021, 20:43 Andy Robinson,  wrote:

> Had time on Friday on a quick trip to Brum to pop out to Minworth to update
> the map with the current Peddimore development activity. The huge site is
> crawling with earth movers.
> Map updated though it will need a further visit when they start earthworks
> on the east side of Wishaw Lane
>
> https://osm.org/go/euzPtdmN--
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Robinson 
> Sent: 22 September 2021 09:01
> To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Wishaw Lane, Minworth and the Peddimore industrial development
>
> I understand from friends that Wishaw Lane, Minworth has permanently closed
> as part of the Peddimore development. I've not edited as I'm not sure
> exactly where it is physically stopped up at each end. Please also keep an
> eye out for construction works commencing for the new industrial
> development
> which fills most of the space between the A38 and Wiggins Hill Road to the
> south of Peddimore Hall and north of the canal. A new roundabout is due to
> be built on the A38 to access the site.
>
> Cheers
> Andy
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Voi scooter parking racks

[Brian Prangle]

amenity=parking
parking=e-scooter
operator=Voi

On Mon, 24 May 2021, 01:30 Ryan Underwood,  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> See article -
> https://www.uktech.news/news/to-reduce-street-hazards-voi-introduces-parking-racks-for-e-scooters-in-the-uk-20210520
>
> I've spotted a couple of these Voi e-scooter parking racks about in
> Birmingham city centre. They hold ten scooters each, and are RNIB certified.
>
> Just wondering how these could be tagged?
>
> Cheers,
> Ryan.
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: Pop-up cycle lanes

[Brian Prangle]

Anyone willing to take up this offer?

-- Forwarded message -
From: Andrew Radford 
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 16:36
Subject: RE: Pop-up cycle lanes
To: Brian Prangle 


Brian



Perhaps a cheeky request but would you (or someone else) be able to provide
a short training session on how to update the map (probably with the online
tools, rather than JOSM) if I get a few interested of the project team
(probably 2 or 3) on board.



The project people would probably be able to update the map off the top of
their head, rather than having to produce intermediate OS-free maps.



A



*From:* Brian Prangle 
*Sent:* 20 August 2020 14:16
*To:* Andrew Radford 
*Subject:* Re: Pop-up cycle lanes



Hi Andrew



Good to hear from you. It doesn't seem that complicated. Just add
cycleway=lane to the relevant stretches of road if there are to be
cycleways on both sides or use cycleway:left=lane or cycleway:right = lane
as appropriate if not.  Add  a tag like description:COVID19=temporary for
future selection for easy maintenance. Glad to help out editing these if
you can provide a rollout timetable and a map that isn't OS copyright
tainted.  Also I'd like to include the  local neighbourhood active travel
plans plans for Kings Heath and Lozells with the proposed installation of
modal filters and the pedestrianisation of York Road. Again a rollout
timetable and an OS copyright-free map would help obviate the need for a
ground survey. (perhaps you should publish public-facing maps on one of the
OS open-licensed  products? Or perhaps you are and are just adding the
OS-required attribution, if so some clarity would be helpful.) For the
modal filters best practice seems to be just convert a short stretch of the
road to highway=cycleway with perhaps barrier=modal_filter. And finally if
you could provide me with details of the school street programme ready for
September rollout I'd be grateful. I've placed notes on each of the schools
affected but I need details of which bits of which roads are covered and
what times .Perhaps there's   already a web page up?



Good to be planning work with you again



Regards



Brian







On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:18 PM Andrew Radford <
andrew.radf...@birmingham.gov.uk> wrote:

Hi Brian,



BCC are currently building a bunch of pop=up cycle lanes for COVID –
consultation and maps here:-



https://covidmeasuresbirmingham.commonplace.is
<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcovidmeasuresbirmingham.commonplace.is%2F=02%7C01%7CAndrew.Radford%40birmingham.gov.uk%7Ce17ef893af4b4eb018e208d8450b4c96%7C699ace67d2e44bcdb303d2bbe2b9bbf1%7C0%7C1%7C637335262137331978=P2ErNRfs6PHitTa5eS%2FItCwQenXA9vBSvr71p2hPApI%3D=0>



The question has come up as to whether these should go on OSM. I noted that
there is a wiki page about COVID but I’m not sure I’m knowledgeble enough
to put things on to the map with that level of complexity. I understand
some of the features will remain forever, but others will get taken out.



Could you let me know your views on all this?





Andy


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Black Country Geopark

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy and mappamercia

I've delved into this some more and it appears that the Geopark is a
collection of pre-existing sites so mapping them as a relation shouldn't be
too difficult. However the list of sites is published on the geopark
website <https://blackcountrygeopark.dudley.gov.uk/sites-to-see/>with a
copyright claim so presumably we need to get explicit permission  to use
the list.(blackcountrygeop...@dudley.gov.uk). @Andy do you feel like
writing a nice diplomatic email to them?. I'll take a look at the UNESCO
resources to see if they have a copyright free list. Assuming we get a list
that's useable we could create a multipolygon for all the existing parks,
nature reserves that are included but there are a number of sites that
might be nodes - so how to include them?.

Proposed tagging
heritage=1
heritage:operator=UNESCO
operator= Black Country Geopark
boundary=protected_area
protect_class=3;98
protection_class= Global Geopark
start_date=2020-07-10
name= Black Country UNESCO Global Geopark
website=https://blackcountrygeopark.dudley.gov.uk/bcg

Interesting project for us to complete. Pity they have a google map to show
the extent of the geopark

Regards

Brian

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:18 AM Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi Andy
>
> Great news that this has been achieved after the failure several years
> ago. Once we have the boundaries from a licence-compatible source I'm happy
> to complete this.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 21:04, Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
>> Do we have plans to map the new "Black Country Geopark":
>>
>>http://blackcountrygeopark.org.uk
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Country_Geopark
>>
>> or to tag the various components as belonging to it? Is this suitable
>> for a "relation"?
>>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Black Country Geopark

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

Great news that this has been achieved after the failure several years ago.
Once we have the boundaries from a licence-compatible source I'm happy to
complete this.

Regards

Brian

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 21:04, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> Do we have plans to map the new "Black Country Geopark":
>
>http://blackcountrygeopark.org.uk
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Country_Geopark
>
> or to tag the various components as belonging to it? Is this suitable
> for a "relation"?
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] One-way in Wolverhampton

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

Didn't catch this piece myself. Couple of questions:

How long is temporary? If it's too short-term - not really worth it

Is this a plan or has it been executed?

Really needs a site survey if it is to be done at all

Regards

Brian

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 18:51, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> According to Midlands today just now, there's a new, temporary,
> one-way system and bike lanes in Wolverhampton, and the speed limit on
> the ring-road has changed from 40 to 30 mph.
>
> This has also resulted in changes to bus stops/ routes.
>
> Is anyone able to map all this? Can we armchair map it, given the
> "current situation"?
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] HS2footpath diversions

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Who is closest to this and wants to do a survey?

CubbingtonThe path known as 129d off Mill Lane has been temporarily
diverted at the edge of South Cubbington Wood. The diversion will be in
place while enabling works take place along 129d for site set-up,
archaeology, ground investigations, surveys and creating new wildlife
habitats for HS2’s green corridor. These activities involve heavy machinery
crossing parts of the 129d, requiring a diversion.The public right of way
known as W130 will be temporarily closed, with a diversion in place, from
early March 2020. HS2’s enabling works contractor will oversee the
construction of two diversionsfor W130 to create a safe walking loop around
our worksites
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Meetings

[Brian Prangle]

I think we'll have to cancel our monthly meetings until further notice @Ian
I hope your rail trip is not too chaotic

Regards

Brian
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Thursday March 5th 730 The Bull. Come with ideas for travelling meetings in
the summer

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mark Renn, sculptor

[Brian Prangle]

Thanks for this Andy. Any reason why he didn't justify an article whilst he
was alive? I'll try to fill in some of the gaps. BTW is Ben Mabbett a
relative?He's doing lots of mapping in the W Mids

Regards

Brian

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 5:41 PM Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> Happy New Year to you all.
>
> Those of you who appreciate public art might be interested in a
> Wikipedia article I've just written, on Birmingham sculptor Mark Renn,
> who sadly died last month:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Renn
>
> Some of his works don't seem to be mapped, and some of those in the
> table on the article need coordinates and/ or photos.
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] HS2 phase 1 updates - Solihull interchange station

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Thanks for the update Andy: drove past there on Sunday and things have
moved on considerably. I've updated appropriately. Do you think it's
necessary to have the compounds identified by name and entrance? They're
going to be around for a couple of years and folk will need to get to them.
I've also updated  some demolition areas in Birmingham. I'm on the updates
list for HS2 for Warwicks and Birmingham now. Do you think it would be a
good idea for OSMers to adopt a stretch of the HS2 route and keep an eye on
it - possible set HS2 up as a UK OSM national project with its own wiki
page ( you might already have done this). Thanks for all your sterling
efforts in getting the data in.

Regards and Merry Xmas

Brian

On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 at 16:29, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> The link below provides info on compounds and new highway bridge structures
> being set-up and constructed next year in and around the proposed
> interchange station by the NEC.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/rmspe8q
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Banksy

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Well done - you beat me to it

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 at 22:09, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> It's OK folks, you can relax.
>
> I've added Birmingham's new Banksy artwork to the map:
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7047824939
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] December - Christmas curry

[Brian Prangle]

Gosh it come around quickly! See you there

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 18:34, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just a reminder that this is tomorrow (Manzils Restaurant, Digbeth
> - Thursday, 5th December meet at 7:30).
>
> Hope to see you there.
>
> Rob
>
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, 21:42 Rob Nickerson, 
> wrote:
>
>> Great. Anyone else able to make it?
>> *Rob*
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 15:14, Brian Prangle 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Works for me
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:05 PM Rob Nickerson <
>>> rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> In what is now becoming a bit of a tradition, we discussed going for
>>>> curry for our December mappa mercia meeting. If in agreement I suggest we
>>>> stick to the same place as previous years (Manzils Restaurant, Digbeth).
>>>>
>>>> First Thursday of the month would make it 5th December. Shall we say to
>>>> meet at 7:30?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> *Rob*
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] HSBC UK edit

[Brian Prangle]

Why restrict it to w mids? Do the whole UK and have done with it . It's no
more work.
Rgds
Brian

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, 21:33 Rob Nickerson,  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In line with the Automated Edit guidelines I would like to draw your
> attention to the following proposal. This proposal would update HSBC banks
> in the West Midlands region (hence this mailing list) to reflect the new
> HSBC UK brand.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/RobJN
>
> I've suggested December 2019, but if supportive I might be able to do this
> before the end of November.
>
> Best regards,
> *Rob*
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] December - Christmas curry

[Brian Prangle]

Works for me

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:05 PM Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In what is now becoming a bit of a tradition, we discussed going for curry
> for our December mappa mercia meeting. If in agreement I suggest we stick
> to the same place as previous years (Manzils Restaurant, Digbeth).
>
> First Thursday of the month would make it 5th December. Shall we say to
> meet at 7:30?
>
> Best regards,
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Today's meetup

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Dreadful weather: cancelled
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Saturday at Houton

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Hi everyone

Let's meet at the Visitors Centre Car Park for 10am to decide what and how
to map. The Tuning Fork(adjacent) do good grub so we could have lunch
there. If there has been insufficient progress on new roads/houses since
our last visit to occupy us, we can discuss where else to map

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa Mercia October mapping

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Gareth

My only two free dates are 19 and 26 October. Of the two I'd prefer 26
October. So I propose 26 October unless it's inconvenient for anyone else

Regards

Brian

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 9:51 AM Gareth L  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Has a Saturday to visit Houlton, this October, been decided upon?
>
> The link road (from Clifton-upon-dunsmore/butlers leap) wass due to be
> opened imminently, although it was scheduled “late september/early october”
> and now it sounds like December.
>
>
>
> A lot more construction work is underway, to the west of the visitors
> centre - closer to hillmorton - although my brief passing through the other
> night made it look mostly like groundwork and foundations, with a portion
> of the crick road having a lane closure and a trench dug along it.
>
>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Southam meetup Sat 21st Sep

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I shall concentrate on mapping the Kineton Road Industrial Estate See you
there at the Bowling Green pub at about 1245

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] September meeting

[Brian Prangle]

OK we're on for Saturday 21st September. I suggest we meet at the Bowling
Green High Street Southam
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/647270898#map=16/52.2524/-1.3842> from
about 1245.Map either in Southam or one of the surrounding villages.If
you'relanning to attend let us know here where you intend to map sowe don't
duplicate effort.

Regards

Brian

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 23:17, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Works for me.
>
> Best wishes,
> Rob
>
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019, 18:41 Brian Prangle,  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>> This was planned for a Saturday meeting and the next place on our list is
>> Southam in Warwickshire.
>> The only free Saturday I have is 21st so I'm proposing that. If there are
>> any takers then I'll look for a pub. Perhaps we advertise on talk GB too if
>> we're going ahead?
>>
>> Regards
>>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] September meeting

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Hi everyone
This was planned for a Saturday meeting and the next place on our list is
Southam in Warwickshire.
The only free Saturday I have is 21st so I'm proposing that. If there are
any takers then I'll look for a pub. Perhaps we advertise on talk GB too if
we're going ahead?

Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tonight's meeting

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Hi everyone
I'llbe surveying the industrial estate behind Morrisons Buntsford Park Road

Rgds

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bromsgrove meetup Pub

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Ewe & Lamb Stoke Heath for 8pm (south Bromsgrove)

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/443974668#map=18/52.31191/-2.07669

Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] July Meetup

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone
This month we revert to our Trursday setup which is this week July 4th. As
part of our summer wanderings this month we're in Bromsgrove. Haven't had
time to select a pub yet so if anyone knows a good pub with decent food get
in touch. When we know where we're meeting I'll let you know but we'll meet
at 8 after the usual early evening mapping

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Swift Payzones .

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

All the original swift collectors were mapped in collaboration  with TfWM.
They're tagged as per this example

amenity=vending_machine
category=Interchange
name=The Pavillions
operator=TfWM
payment=no
postal_code=B4 7SE
public_transport_ticket=Swift Card
source=TfWM;survey
top_up=yes
vending=public_transport_tickets

TfWM have shown no interest in maintaining this data in OpenStreetMap
despite repeated prompts from me,so as they've rolled out they haven't been
added.

Payzones - nothing done so far. Good luck with this - don't know how you'd
tag this - perhaps you'll just have to invent something- perhaps the
talk-transit mailing list might help

Regards

Brian

On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 at 17:09, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> In our collaboration with Centro/ TfWM, have we mapped any of the
> "Swift Payzones" (in shops; and kiosks in bus stations) and on-street
> "Swift Collectors"? [1]
>
> Neither of the two closest to my home seem to be mapped, and I'm
> looking for a model of best practice - though if we could get TfWM to
> add and maintain them, so much the better.
>
>
> [1] See: https://www.networkwesmidlands.com/swift/topping-up/
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Saturday mapping event: 22 June in Wombourne

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

This month's monthly meeting will be on Saturday 22 June in order to give
us  most of the day to map Wombourne
 in
South Staffs. Pub meetup for lunch at 1pm at the Waggon and Horses
 which
is a canalside Banks's pub and looks like it has  good menu. Lots of gaps
to map, sparse level of detail - which is why we picked it of course.

Regards

Brian

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 9:59 PM Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We suggested a Saturday mapping event in June in Wombourne, Staffordshire.
> This will be on 22 June. Brian has kindly offered to pick a pub / cafe.
>
> P.S. I see this is the same date as the next Norwich meeting [1]. Given
> that this is quite a long trip for us (2hr 30min from Coventry, longer if
> starting from further away), I hope that this is not a conflict.
>
> [1]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2019-June/022994.html
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Road junctions

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Rob

Replied in a similar vein to Gareth with a  reworked JOSM file for him to
study and/or upload

Regards

Brian

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 1:29 PM Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> I would put a lot less feeder roads in. How does it look if you only split
> the road when there is a physical object it needs to go around? For example
> don't split the left/right turn lanes when driving frm Technology Drive to
> Mill Road as there is no physical barrier between these lanes.
>
> If you'd like, I can have a go at mapping it how I would do it so that you
> can compare...let me know?
>
> *Rob*
>
>
> On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 23:53, Gareth L  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there a nice example of mapping road junctions? Particularly ones that
>> are spread out?
>>
>> Basically, I’ve had a punt at mapping the junction between technology
>> drive and mill road in Rugby.
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.38125/-1.24981 It has all the
>> turn restrictions correct, and I’d expect it to route beautifully, but...
>> avoiding the mapping for the renderer pitfalls, it looks rather rough.
>>
>> My objective here was actually to allow myself to map the
>> pedestrian/cycle ways more clearly - especially the crossing islands - as
>> the crossing doesn’t clear right across the junction, just across the lane.
>> The issue is this large T junction is spread over a very large area of
>> asphalt with filter lanes etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess my gripe is having a bunch of ways representing what is really a
>> field of asphalt. I’d welcome some advice on this, even if it’s “oh gads,
>> revert that to a simple T junction immediately”, although in that case I’d
>> really like to know the right way to do it, if such a thing exists.
>>
>>
>>
>> There’s substantial mapillary and google streetview imagery available of
>> this location if you want some context.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Gareth
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail  for
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Collaboration with Shire transport authorities followup

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone
Thanks to everyone who volunteered. We now have totoal coverage except for
Staffordshire north of Stafford and especially Stoke on Trent .

Maybe volunteers could feedback in about  3 months about what they were
asked to fix and how the collaboration went?

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] River Rea, West of Kings Norton Park

[Brian Prangle]

delete the name on the tributary should do the trick

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 12:05 PM Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> Compare the tagging on:
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34080550
>
> and:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/591479120
>
> and ways upstream (west) of the latter.
>
> I think the former is a tributary, and the latter is the river proper.
> What needs to be changed?
>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] OSM West Mids May meetup

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Our May meeting is scheduled for Thursday this week and we're in Coventry
this month. Mapping first from whenever you can get there: we've chosen the
area around  Far Gosford Street
which looks in need of
improvement (lots of retail premises missing so fits in with our UK
Quarterly Project). So that we don't trip over each other and duplicate
effort let us know what you intend to do.If you've got another area of
Coventry you'd like to map that's OK too.
We'll meet for chat eats and drinks at the Botanist(not mapped yet!) in
Broadgate in the City Centre  from 8

Regards

Brian
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Collaboration with shire tansport authorities

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Mainly for west mids mappers but cross-posted to talkgb for a wider
audience.

For some time I've collaborated with TfWM who make extensive use of
OpenStreetMap. Together we've refreshed the entire NapTAN dataset for the
West Midlands and we're engaged on an ongoing basis in solving data quality
issues where the OSM data throws up errors with their bus routeing software.
Word spreads and at a regional meeting of  shire transport authorities
there was a request for contact with local OSM volunteers in the following
areas:

Herefordshire, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Stoke, Telford, Warwickshire,
Worcestershire

If anyone wants to volunteer please get in touch with me and I can put you
in touch. It will mainly involve dealing with errors they spot such as
missing/wrong roadnames, missing/wrong roads. With TfWM there's been an
average of one of these week, sometimes bunched together followed by weeks
with nothing - so not a heavy workload and worth the effort to improve the
data.

If my experience is anything to go by, there'll be an initial peak and then
they'll realise, with a little prompting, it's easier and quicker to fix
the errors themselves. But it's good to have an initial period of
handholding as  I think they are respectful  of causing any damage

Regards


Brian
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy  - a great improvement over on-road cycle lanes. Very safe but
dreary given the nature of the road and the traffic volume alongside. Not
much cycle traffic on it yet so uneducated pedestrians walking along it not
yet a problem. Where the cycle lane is furthest away from the road
pedestrians seem to prefer it as it makes them feel safer. It will be
interesting to see how much vehicles respect the give way signs where the
cycle lane crosses a road without a crosssing and indeed cyclisst where
they meet a give way sign onto a shared space. It will need regular
sweeping as it is already accumulating a layer of grit from the traffic on
the road.
The shared space around some bus stops and pedestrian crossings could get
interesting once cycle traffic builds up. Interesting to see traffic
signals and turn restrictions on a cycle route!

BTW thanks for all your work on HS2

Regards

Brian

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 11:04, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> Great. As a cyclist what was your impression of the route?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 15 April 2019 19:52
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* Brian Prangle; OSM Group WM
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route
>
>
>
> Hi Andy
>
>
>
> Just to make absolutley sure I cycled this route today and added/corrected
> detail and also took the opportunity to check upon the progress of the
> Commonwealth Games Athletes Village - the old BCU is completely demolished
> apart from the pub - maybe they're going to retain it as an example of
> English quaintness.
>
>
>
> The Bristol Road cycleway is way behind schedule but I've added an
> untagged way ready for the opening
>
>
>
> Rgds
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 08:37, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>
> Excellent, Cheers Brian.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org]
> *Sent:* 09 April 2019 22:04
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* OSM Group WM
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route
>
>
>
> All in hand I have surveyed most of it and added it as an untagged way
>
> I'll tag it tomorrow
>
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, 21:15 Andy Robinson,  wrote:
>
> I see the new A34 cycle route is basically open. Looks like there is some
> mapping to do! Alas I can’t get onto it anytime soon.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy (now very definitely in Cheshire)
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

Just to make absolutley sure I cycled this route today and added/corrected
detail and also took the opportunity to check upon the progress of the
Commonwealth Games Athletes Village - the old BCU is completely demolished
apart from the pub - maybe they're going to retain it as an example of
English quaintness.

The Bristol Road cycleway is way behind schedule but I've added an untagged
way ready for the opening

Rgds

Brian

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 08:37, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> Excellent, Cheers Brian.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org]
> *Sent:* 09 April 2019 22:04
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* OSM Group WM
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route
>
>
>
> All in hand I have surveyed most of it and added it as an untagged way
>
> I'll tag it tomorrow
>
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, 21:15 Andy Robinson,  wrote:
>
> I see the new A34 cycle route is basically open. Looks like there is some
> mapping to do! Alas I can’t get onto it anytime soon.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy (now very definitely in Cheshire)
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route

[Brian Prangle]

All in hand I have surveyed most of it and added it as an untagged way
I'll tag it tomorrow

On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, 21:15 Andy Robinson,  wrote:

> I see the new A34 cycle route is basically open. Looks like there is some
> mapping to do! Alas I can’t get onto it anytime soon.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy (now very definitely in Cheshire)
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] April 4 - Meeting in Alcester

[Brian Prangle]

See you there- I'll do a Waylens OpenStreetCam survey of the major roads
and add names to the bdgs in Arden Industrial Estate. I'll try to populate
more bdgs by armchair in the meantime - all assistance greatly appreciated
in this regard  Rgds Brian

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 13:56, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As you will know from Brian's "Summer programme of meetings" email, we are
> heading to Alcester, Warwickshire, this Thursday.
>
> Plenty of pub options in the high street. I suggest we meet at the Turks
> Head between 7:30 and 8:00 after an afternoon/evening of mapping the town.
>
> In regards to mapping, there is plenty to do. I have traced buildings
> which are missing address data, there are more buildings to add. The high
> street and industrial estate were last surveyed a few years ago so likely
> to be some updates needed there too.
>
> I hope to see you there.
>
> *Rob*
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Summer programme of meetings

[Brian Prangle]

As usual we travel around the region in the summer, improving the map away
from our usual haunts.

April-  usual evening - Alcester- Rob to find a pub
May - usual evening - Coventry - Rob to pick an area
June - Saturday TBA - Wombourne
July- usual evening- Bromsgrove
Aug- Saturday TBA- Southam
Sep - usual evening- Droitwich
Oct - Saturday TBA - joint visit to Rugby and a catchup for Houlton New Town

The usual evening is the first Thursday in the month

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

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Hi everyone

This Thursday 7 March is our scheduled date for our monthly meeting. I've
checked that the Bull has re-opened so see you there at about 730

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] January meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Me too!

On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:03 PM Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> January 3rd is the first Thursday of the month so OSM meetup time. Anyone
> able to make it given proximity to the holiday?
>
> Best regards,
> Rob
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Saturday Mapping

[Brian Prangle]

That's great Rob. See you there. Imagery is no good I'm afraid -  the road
layouts only are shown on Digital Globe Standard and they've been traced.
This developers website <http://houltonrugby.co.uk/> is useful if you
ignore all the marketing bollocks

Regards

Brian

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 4:37 PM Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for the delay. I too can attend. I'm traveling from Warwick and can
> give lifts if needed (and on route).
>
> Is there any mapping that we can do now so as to make it easier when we
> get there? Some of the imagery layers (esri, mapbox or digital globe) can
> be suprisingly up to date.
>
> Best regards,
> Rob
>
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018, 12:36 Brian Prangle 
>> Hi Chris
>>
>> See you there at 10am?  At the pub carpark - it's not mapped but its
>> address is Dollman Farm, Crick Rd, Clifton upon Dunsmore, Rugby CV23 0AB.
>> I'll be wearing an OSM HIViz vest but if it's teeming with rain I'll be
>> cowering inside a Blue Skoda Yeti BJ13 LSY.  Would you prefer to survey as
>> a team or separately?  My number for contact on the day 07811 667653
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:57 PM Chris Dunne  wrote:
>>
>>> I could do Saturday I think but have realised I'm going out for a meal
>>> in the evening so won't be up for one in the daytime. What time were
>>> you thinking of meeting? It's either a approx 1hr 45 cycle for me or 30 min
>>> drive depending on the weather.
>>>
>>> I've not done a vast deal of mapping, but a  couple of past outings.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 16:15, Brian Prangle 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> H Gareth
>>>>
>>>> Shame about that. I'm now not able to do the 8th Dec so I'll turn out
>>>> this Sat. There's a new pub there called the Tuning Fork. Anybody else up
>>>> for this?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 5:53 PM Gareth L  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’m rather local to this, but sadly I am away both weekends!
>>>>> It’s worthwhile doing. Google maps and Apple maps are lagging quite
>>>>> far behind on Rugby’s redevelopments/developments. Surprisingly, an entire
>>>>> retail park is missing from both.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gareth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Brian Prangle 
>>>>> To: talk-gb-westmidlands 
>>>>> Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Saturday Mapping
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a been a while since we met in November and I agrred to to get
>>>>> some
>>>>> dates for a mapping dayin Warwicks(with a pub lunch). I propose either
>>>>> Saturday 1 Dec or 8 Dec and I propose we go to the new village being
>>>>> built
>>>>> on the old Rugby Radio Station site which is called Houlton
>>>>> <http://houltonrugby.co.uk/>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a massive development( over 6,000 homes - partially complete)
>>>>> with the
>>>>> first residents moving in a year ago and also a new primary school
>>>>> operational. Currently it's shown as a construction site with a few
>>>>> service
>>>>> roads. If folk can get to me reasonably quickly I'll see if I can drum
>>>>> up
>>>>> some local interest
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Saturday Mapping

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Chris

See you there at 10am?  At the pub carpark - it's not mapped but its
address is Dollman Farm, Crick Rd, Clifton upon Dunsmore, Rugby CV23 0AB.
I'll be wearing an OSM HIViz vest but if it's teeming with rain I'll be
cowering inside a Blue Skoda Yeti BJ13 LSY.  Would you prefer to survey as
a team or separately?  My number for contact on the day 07811 667653

Regards

Brian


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:57 PM Chris Dunne  wrote:

> I could do Saturday I think but have realised I'm going out for a meal in
> the evening so won't be up for one in the daytime. What time were
> you thinking of meeting? It's either a approx 1hr 45 cycle for me or 30 min
> drive depending on the weather.
>
> I've not done a vast deal of mapping, but a  couple of past outings.
>
> Chris
>
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 16:15, Brian Prangle 
> wrote:
>
>> H Gareth
>>
>> Shame about that. I'm now not able to do the 8th Dec so I'll turn out
>> this Sat. There's a new pub there called the Tuning Fork. Anybody else up
>> for this?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 5:53 PM Gareth L  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m rather local to this, but sadly I am away both weekends!
>>> It’s worthwhile doing. Google maps and Apple maps are lagging quite far
>>> behind on Rugby’s redevelopments/developments. Surprisingly, an entire
>>> retail park is missing from both.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gareth
>>>
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Brian Prangle 
>>> To: talk-gb-westmidlands 
>>> Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Saturday Mapping
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> It's a been a while since we met in November and I agrred to to get some
>>> dates for a mapping dayin Warwicks(with a pub lunch). I propose either
>>> Saturday 1 Dec or 8 Dec and I propose we go to the new village being
>>> built
>>> on the old Rugby Radio Station site which is called Houlton
>>> <http://houltonrugby.co.uk/>
>>>
>>> It's a massive development( over 6,000 homes - partially complete) with
>>> the
>>> first residents moving in a year ago and also a new primary school
>>> operational. Currently it's shown as a construction site with a few
>>> service
>>> roads. If folk can get to me reasonably quickly I'll see if I can drum up
>>> some local interest
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Brian
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Saturday Mapping

[Brian Prangle]

H Gareth

Shame about that. I'm now not able to do the 8th Dec so I'll turn out this
Sat. There's a new pub there called the Tuning Fork. Anybody else up for
this?

Regards

Brian

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 5:53 PM Gareth L  wrote:

> I’m rather local to this, but sadly I am away both weekends!
> It’s worthwhile doing. Google maps and Apple maps are lagging quite far
> behind on Rugby’s redevelopments/developments. Surprisingly, an entire
> retail park is missing from both.
>
>
> Gareth
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>
>
> From: Brian Prangle 
> To: talk-gb-westmidlands 
> Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Saturday Mapping
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi everyone
>
> It's a been a while since we met in November and I agrred to to get some
> dates for a mapping dayin Warwicks(with a pub lunch). I propose either
> Saturday 1 Dec or 8 Dec and I propose we go to the new village being built
> on the old Rugby Radio Station site which is called Houlton
> <http://houltonrugby.co.uk/>
>
> It's a massive development( over 6,000 homes - partially complete) with the
> first residents moving in a year ago and also a new primary school
> operational. Currently it's shown as a construction site with a few service
> roads. If folk can get to me reasonably quickly I'll see if I can drum up
> some local interest
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sainsbury selly oak

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

Good to see you still taking an interest in the West Mids.How's the new
house going?  I've updatde the tags and left a note on the old Sainsbury's.
I saw the dev plans for the Lapal canal but it's not yet accessible - stlll
a construction site

Regards

Brian

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 11:36, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> As a follow-up, it would be great to update the Dudley No.2 canal work
> across the Sainsbury site. They haven't raised all the money to complete
> but
> the developers have done a load already and this way needs updating to
> reflect progress: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/573536067
>
> For info at http://www.lapalcanal.co.uk/
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 27 November 2018 11:31
> To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Sainsbury selly oak
>
> If anyone is in Selly Oak can they update the new Sainsbury development &
> surrounds etc. Brian, I see you were there doing just that three weeks ago.
> The new store opened last week (my daughter says she got "lost" in there on
> Saturday :-) ). I assume the old store is now shut? And is the fuel station
> open too? The new store is "experimental" and incorporates a food court,
> Oasis concession, and fully integrated Habitat and Argos. I see the Argos
> tag on a node.
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Saturday Mapping

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

It's a been a while since we met in November and I agrred to to get some
dates for a mapping dayin Warwicks(with a pub lunch). I propose either
Saturday 1 Dec or 8 Dec and I propose we go to the new village being built
on the old Rugby Radio Station  site which is called Houlton


It's a massive development( over 6,000 homes - partially complete) with the
first residents moving in a year ago and also a new primary school
operational. Currently it's shown as a construction site with a few service
roads. If folk can get to me reasonably quickly I'll see if I can drum up
some local interest

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa Mercia thursday

[Brian Prangle]

I'll be there

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 20:42, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> First Thursday of the month this week which means Mappa Mercia meeting.
> Are you able to join us this Thursday? The Bull, Price Street, Birmingham.
> From around 7:30pm.
>
> Thanks,
> *Rob*
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] October Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I can't manage this meeting next week as it's my birthday so I'll be out
celebrating.

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] September meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Apologies Eike: both Rob and I were away on holiday and we both plain
forgot!  Rgds  Brian

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 at 15:51, Eike Ritter  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> is there a meeting today?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Eike
>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Shropshire Wildlife Trust

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Phil

You might have noticed some editing from me in Shrewsbury-  that arises
from a very productive meeting I had with Robin Mager of the SWT.  The
upshot is that he will investigate giving us access under an open licence
of the drone imagery they're assembling of their reserves. He's also keen
to get some more nature reserve detail into OSM and he'll look at piloting
a mapping event in a reserve that has an active friends group and more
generally perhaps encouraging people to map their local reserve even if
it's only by adding notes or mapillary images. I'll keep you posted, but
don't expect anything in a hurry- summer holidays stand in the way

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: August Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

If anyne should decide to join us this Saturday the pub lunch venue will be
the White Lion in Leominster on Etnam Street close to the Railway Station

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Want me to do the driving? If so, let me know the times you are planning
> and a suitable place to pick you up (off mailing list).
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
>
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2018, 08:51 Brian Prangle,  wrote:
>
>> OK in the absence of any other feedback Rob and I will converge on
>> Leominster for 1pm. I'll come up with a suitable pub and some suggestions
>> for sectionso f the Herefordshire Trail  Rgds Brian
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Brian Prangle 
>> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018, 12:24
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] August Meeting
>> To: Rob Nickerson 
>> Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands 
>>
>>
>> This Saturday suits me - I'll struggle towards the end of the month
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Rob Nickerson > > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm free this coming Saturday. Location wise, I'm flexible. I'm also
>>> available for lifts if anyone wants one.
>>>
>>> The following Saturday will be hard for me but I can probably do later
>>> weekends.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018, 15:30 Brian Prangle, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>
>>>> We generally do a Saturday meetupin August. Rob and I thought a
>>>> Herefordshire venue would be good and seeing as the summer QP is PROWs, we
>>>> should try to do as much of the Herefordshire Trail
>>>> <https://www.walkingenglishman.com/ldp/herefordshiretrail.html> as
>>>> possible. All of the western section between Bromyard and Ross-on-Wye
>>>> remains to be completed according to the OSM relation
>>>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/541128#map=10/52.1019/-2.4994>
>>>>
>>>> Which Saturday is best for everyone? An where's  easiest for people to
>>>> get to?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: August Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

OK in the absence of any other feedback Rob and I will converge on
Leominster for 1pm. I'll come up with a suitable pub and some suggestions
for sectionso f the Herefordshire Trail  Rgds Brian
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018, 12:24
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] August Meeting
To: Rob Nickerson 
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands 


This Saturday suits me - I'll struggle towards the end of the month

Rgds

Brian

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> I'm free this coming Saturday. Location wise, I'm flexible. I'm also
> available for lifts if anyone wants one.
>
> The following Saturday will be hard for me but I can probably do later
> weekends.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018, 15:30 Brian Prangle,  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> We generally do a Saturday meetupin August. Rob and I thought a
>> Herefordshire venue would be good and seeing as the summer QP is PROWs, we
>> should try to do as much of the Herefordshire Trail
>> <https://www.walkingenglishman.com/ldp/herefordshiretrail.html> as
>> possible. All of the western section between Bromyard and Ross-on-Wye
>> remains to be completed according to the OSM relation
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/541128#map=10/52.1019/-2.4994>
>>
>> Which Saturday is best for everyone? An where's  easiest for people to
>> get to?
>>
>> Regards
>>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] August Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

This Saturday suits me - I'll struggle towards the end of the month

Rgds

Brian

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> I'm free this coming Saturday. Location wise, I'm flexible. I'm also
> available for lifts if anyone wants one.
>
> The following Saturday will be hard for me but I can probably do later
> weekends.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018, 15:30 Brian Prangle,  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> We generally do a Saturday meetupin August. Rob and I thought a
>> Herefordshire venue would be good and seeing as the summer QP is PROWs, we
>> should try to do as much of the Herefordshire Trail
>> <https://www.walkingenglishman.com/ldp/herefordshiretrail.html> as
>> possible. All of the western section between Bromyard and Ross-on-Wye
>> remains to be completed according to the OSM relation
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/541128#map=10/52.1019/-2.4994>
>>
>> Which Saturday is best for everyone? An where's  easiest for people to
>> get to?
>>
>> Regards
>>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] August Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

We generally do a Saturday meetupin August. Rob and I thought a
Herefordshire venue would be good and seeing as the summer QP is PROWs, we
should try to do as much of the Herefordshire Trail
 as
possible. All of the western section between Bromyard and Ross-on-Wye
remains to be completed according to the OSM relation


Which Saturday is best for everyone? An where's  easiest for people to get
to?

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus routes in Rugby

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Gareth

If they're that old and no longer exist then just delete them!  If the bus
stops in your area have route ref nos on them than that can be an aid.
Otherwise there's nothing to do but ride the buses if the bus company or
local transport authority is unwilling to release the data under an open
licence.  Having mapped bus route relations in the past and tried to keep
them up to date I've come to the conclusion that the routes are too
volatile to be worth entering as OSM data (and we don't make it easy to add
bus route relations either!) so they really belong as data rendered on
another map using OSM data as a base map. But good luck if you want to try

Regards

Brian

On 19 July 2018 at 22:17, Gareth L  wrote:

> Hiya,
>
>
>
> I see there are some bus routes mapped as relations in Rugby. They appear
> to have been done about 10 years ago and certain services now do not exist,
> new ones have been introduced and others diverted.
>
>
>
> What are your suggested options of maintaining and managing this data?
>
> I’m hesitant to delete stuff, especially as I wont necessarily be able to
> replace it with the correct data!
>
> Are the route plans available in a OSM friendly licensed way? Or is it a
> case of spending a day on t’buses recording the routes?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gareth
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] July Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

I'll be there

On Wed, 4 Jul 2018, 15:22 Rob Nickerson,  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> I will be there this week (Thursday 8pm).
>
> Anyone else confirmed as attending?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2018, 19:08 Brian Prangle,  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> This month will be Coventry.Meet at the Town Wall Tavern
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.40965/-1.51523>  from 8pm.
>> Mapping is your choice of area and duration: it would be nice to map along
>> the Holyhead Road to the West of the City Centre. I've picked Coventry to
>> encourage some students from the Youth Mappers Chapter at Warwick Uni to
>> attend, who are keen to meet some actual OSM mappers.
>>
>> Regards
>>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] July meeting is Thursday 5 July

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I think I forgot to tell you the date
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] May Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Just a reminder we are NOT meeting tomorrow but the following Thursday May
10th. May I suggest Knowle/Dorridge (rail station in Dorridge for those
arriving by public transport) in Solihull and meetup in the Red Lion Knowle
for 8pm?

Let me know if you're intending to attend

Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] May Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Rob and I are committed to a Board meeting for OSMUK on the first Thursday,
re-arranged to fit in with our AGM schedule so we'd like to change the May
mappa-mercia meeting to the next Thursday in May i.e MAy 10th. We still
need a venue. ANy ideas?

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] February Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Let's go back to The BUll

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 8:38 PM, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'll be there this month:-)
>
> A look back at previous emails threw up the following list:
>
> - The gunmakers arms. Just round the corner from the bull. (seems to have
> it's own micro brewery)
>
> - Queen's Arms, Newhall St
>
> - The Shakespeare, Summer Row
>
> - The Wellington (no event on Wednesday / live folk music on Thursday). 
> Bennetts
> Hill
>
> - The Lost and Found.. Bennetts Hill
> We tried The Wellington (good but no food, although they do allow
> takeaway) and the Gunmakers Arms (struggled with food and was just one
> option - would need to arrange in advance).
>
> I'd be up for anything including a return to The Bull.
>
> Anyone want to pick one?
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
> *Rob*
>
> On 29 January 2018 at 18:50, Brian Prangle <br...@mappa-mercia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> First Thursday is this week so see you there. Do we meet at the regular
>> pub or is there a new venue?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
>>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Improved MapBox Imagey for the West Mids

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Message for Christina a tMapBox Amsterdam: I also wanted to share the happy
news that my colleagues from the Satellite team have updated tint and
colouring of the West Midlands imagery. It's not new imagery though, just
looks better. I hope this is of help at all

I've taken a look at it is a HUGE improvement in clarity

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Dec social

[Brian Prangle]

I'm looking forward to my curry next Thursday! I think in light of a better
recommendation we should follow Andy M's advice and go for Manzill next to
Digbeth Police Station as it's handy for everyone

Regards

Brian

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> Were we going for a curry next Thur? Or some other time better for folks?
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Proposed Import of West Mids VMS Locations

[Brian Prangle]

I've examined the data againnst aerial imagery and the Highways England
positional data for VMS signs is so poor it really precludes an import
which is sad. Signs are up to  an estimated 10m away from their gantries
and signs on the same gantry don't even line up. The Birmingham data might
be better but it's difficult to check with aerial imagery as most of them
aren't gantry-borne. I'm happy to chip away at this manually, unless anyine
feels we can still go ahead with an import and then adjust the nodes
manually- it will be a hard sell outside our group.

My proposed tagging is

traffic_sign=variable_message

variable_message_model =  e.g. 4x13 VMS MS5

variable_message_type = matrix

variable_message_type = graphic

variable_message_type  = graphic;matrix

variable_message_information = parking or maybe
variable_message=parking_information

variable_message_information = traffic or maybe
variable_message=traffic_information

traffic_sign:location = overhead

traffic_sign:location= roadside


For ways that are not oneway: ( wrt to direction the OSM way is drawn )

traffic_sign:forward = variable_message

traffic_sign:backward= varable_message


(Tagging not yet gone through an approval process)


Regards


Brian

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> There seems to be a few types of data in there:- BCC, Highways England and
> Car Parking signs. I'm not sure if these *need* treating separately but it
> may be worth doing so anyway. The car parks should be small enough to start
> with and will enable us to get a good grip of the data.
>
> For short description the bits that seems useful is the sign size (e.g.
> 3x18) which I assume is rows and characters. In "M6/6054A" the M6 is
> obviously the road and I believe the "A" indicates which side of the road
> it is on (see: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:carriageway_ref ).
> Do you know what the "6054" means? Wait... found it! It looks like it is
> the asset reference for the structure that the sign is attached to. See for
> example:
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4905635,-1.7319734,3a,15y,
> 288.18h,88.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgldMiJ0rpLi97FRlvR32CQ!
> 2e0!7i13312!8i6656
>
> If all the motorway or trunk ones are like this then may put the
> "M6/6054A" bit in a tag such as gantry_ref=.
>
> Do we know what "SPICE" means? I seem to recall hearing it before but
> cannot remember. What about "MS3"/"MS4"?
>
> Finally, if we add these, do they get mapped to the side of the road or as
> a node on the road? Gut feeling is that it as a node so that it is more
> useful for data users.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rob*
>
> On 5 November 2017 at 16:15, Brian Prangle <br...@mappa-mercia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I'd like to open a discussion here first before opening it to talkgb and
>> talkimport
>>
>> The raw data can be found here
>> <https://data.birmingham.gov.uk/dataset/birmingham-vms>
>>
>> It covers the West Midlands and parts of the M1 and M69 also
>>
>> Licence is OGL
>>
>> I've edited the data to give lat/lons and I've added operator tags based
>> on Motorway/Trunk being Highways England and everything else BCC.
>> I've put a copy on Dropbox
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/pm7knu938aqpjhg/Birmingham%20VMS%20locations.csv?dl=0>
>> so you can review the data.
>> I'd welcome feedback on what to tag the Short Description column
>>
>>
>> Issues:
>>
>> VMS tagging is a mess so I'll no doubt have to wade through a tagging
>> proposal. The most sensible approach was discussed here
>> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-October/027155.html>
>> I've not checked against against existing OSM data which I suspect is
>> patchy and given the tagging mess difficult to do a taginfo or ovepass query
>>
>> What do you all think? Is it worth pursuing?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Proposed Import of West Mids VMS Locations

[Brian Prangle]

Thanks for this Rob

I might parse the short description to split the identifiers and
type_description

I've asked Andy Radford in BCC for an explanation of acronyms etc

As for placing as nodes on the highway - I'm torn - I can see why it would
be useful for data users but it doesn't always indicate the physical
location ( cf bus stops and speed cameras). But if we don't place them as
nodes we'd need to know which are gantry located and which are roadside
which the data doesn't indicate

Rgds

brian

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> There seems to be a few types of data in there:- BCC, Highways England and
> Car Parking signs. I'm not sure if these *need* treating separately but it
> may be worth doing so anyway. The car parks should be small enough to start
> with and will enable us to get a good grip of the data.
>
> For short description the bits that seems useful is the sign size (e.g.
> 3x18) which I assume is rows and characters. In "M6/6054A" the M6 is
> obviously the road and I believe the "A" indicates which side of the road
> it is on (see: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:carriageway_ref ).
> Do you know what the "6054" means? Wait... found it! It looks like it is
> the asset reference for the structure that the sign is attached to. See for
> example:
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4905635,-1.7319734,3a,15y,
> 288.18h,88.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgldMiJ0rpLi97FRlvR32CQ!
> 2e0!7i13312!8i6656
>
> If all the motorway or trunk ones are like this then may put the
> "M6/6054A" bit in a tag such as gantry_ref=.
>
> Do we know what "SPICE" means? I seem to recall hearing it before but
> cannot remember. What about "MS3"/"MS4"?
>
> Finally, if we add these, do they get mapped to the side of the road or as
> a node on the road? Gut feeling is that it as a node so that it is more
> useful for data users.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rob*
>
> On 5 November 2017 at 16:15, Brian Prangle <br...@mappa-mercia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I'd like to open a discussion here first before opening it to talkgb and
>> talkimport
>>
>> The raw data can be found here
>> <https://data.birmingham.gov.uk/dataset/birmingham-vms>
>>
>> It covers the West Midlands and parts of the M1 and M69 also
>>
>> Licence is OGL
>>
>> I've edited the data to give lat/lons and I've added operator tags based
>> on Motorway/Trunk being Highways England and everything else BCC.
>> I've put a copy on Dropbox
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/pm7knu938aqpjhg/Birmingham%20VMS%20locations.csv?dl=0>
>> so you can review the data.
>> I'd welcome feedback on what to tag the Short Description column
>>
>>
>> Issues:
>>
>> VMS tagging is a mess so I'll no doubt have to wade through a tagging
>> proposal. The most sensible approach was discussed here
>> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-October/027155.html>
>> I've not checked against against existing OSM data which I suspect is
>> patchy and given the tagging mess difficult to do a taginfo or ovepass query
>>
>> What do you all think? Is it worth pursuing?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Christmas curry

[Brian Prangle]

Sounds good to me. It's in my diary.Anyone got any preference for a good
curry house?

Regards

Brian

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> A few years ago the Mappa Mercia group decided to make our December
> meeting a "Christmas curry". We discussed the same idea this week.
>
> We'd love for others to join us. I guess it will be first Thursday of
> December unless there is an outcry for a different date.
>
> Anyone up for it?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Proposed Import of West Mids VMS Locations

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I'd like to open a discussion here first before opening it to talkgb and
talkimport

The raw data can be found here


It covers the West Midlands and parts of the M1 and M69 also

Licence is OGL

I've edited the data to give lat/lons and I've added operator tags based on
Motorway/Trunk being Highways England and everything else BCC.
I've put a copy on Dropbox

so you can review the data.
I'd welcome feedback on what to tag the Short Description column


Issues:

VMS tagging is a mess so I'll no doubt have to wade through a tagging
proposal. The most sensible approach was discussed here

I've not checked against against existing OSM data which I suspect is
patchy and given the tagging mess difficult to do a taginfo or ovepass query

What do you all think? Is it worth pursuing?

Regards

Brian
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] November meeting Thursday

[Brian Prangle]

I have another engagement at 6pm so I'll be there later with an outside
channce of not even making it (depends on when it finishes) Rgds Brian

On 30 October 2017 at 17:27, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It's our monthly meeting this Thursday. Which pub shall we try this time?
>
> Looking forward to seeing you all soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Activity Updates

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Rob

No need for thewalkthrough everyhting was very intuitive and easy to find.
The only downer is the inability to select multiple objects and perform one
tagging

Problems for bus routing software (Mentz Diva) were caused by: incorrect
complex junction configuration not permitting the desired route through;
turn restriction rather than an access restriction; ambiguous access
restriction; bus stop with incorrect route_ref

regards

Brian

On 19 October 2017 at 22:47, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Great news.
>
> Can I enquire about two things: First did you use the iD walkthrough and
> if yes, how was it? Did it provide a full introduction or did you need to
> help with extra support too?
>
> And second, what sort of oddities did you get on the TfWM bus route
> plotting software? And how were they typically solved?
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Rob*
>
> On 19 October 2017 at 16:43, Brian Prangle <br...@mappa-mercia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> 1. I'm back training Probation Pay Back Attendees with Anawim. I've
>> currently assigned our first new trainee the SE corner of Nuneaton to add
>> buildings and improve road alignments. Latest version of id is much
>> improved!
>> 2. I now have a direct link into TfWM's maintainer of NaPTAN bus stops
>> and we're working on a process for regular updates. I'll keep you uppdated
>> as to progress
>> 3. TfWM now plot their bus routes using a piece of software that uses OSM
>> data.It sometimes produces weird results that need some unentangling f the
>> OSM data, so we had good fun this week solving some of them
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Birmingham City Council

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Hi everyone

BCC now using OSM for public announcements

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Activity Updates

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

1. I'm back training Probation Pay Back Attendees with Anawim. I've
currently assigned our first new trainee the SE corner of Nuneaton to add
buildings and improve road alignments. Latest version of id is much
improved!
2. I now have a direct link into TfWM's maintainer of NaPTAN bus stops and
we're working on a process for regular updates. I'll keep you uppdated as
to progress
3. TfWM now plot their bus routes using a piece of software that uses OSM
data.It sometimes produces weird results that need some unentangling f the
OSM data, so we had good fun this week solving some of them

Regards

Brian
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] OpenStreetCam or Mapillary?

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I'm in discussions with TfWM to use their inspection teams'  time on the
street to assist us by taking photos with smartphones, which will also help
them with their asset management and not have to rely on outdated data from
Google StreetView.

Which one of the above is better for us? Or just plain better?

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Post box and war memorial

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

Tag it as you would any other war memorial. Let the renderer sort out what
it shows on the standard map. The data will represent the attributes of the
node

regards

Brian

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> Here's an oddity; a post box which is also a war memorial:
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5106084752
>
>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Post_box_B66_52
>
> I've tagged it as a post box; I'm not sure how to add the memorial
> details. Suggestions?
>
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New: Esri imagery

[Brian Prangle]

Not that I can  see currently- the resolution is somewhere between bing and
digital globe so not much more clarity. I'll check some building sites to
check currency

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> New imagery available! Does this bring anything new to the UK / West
> Midlands? (Without laptop so cannot check).
>
> https://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2017/08/24/world-imagery-in-osm/
>
> P.s. please feel free to forward to talk-gb
>
> Rob
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sept Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I won't be able to make this, but I think we agreed on Penkridge. Have fun!

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?

[Brian Prangle]

I'll concentrate on fixing as many OSM Notes as I can ( many left by
Christophe about 7 years ago!) and then have  a look at the Frankley
Reservoir to see how the works on the new water pipeline are progressing.
See you in the Black Horse, if not on the road beforehand!

On 31 July 2017 at 07:53, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds like a plan
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 30 July 2017 17:52
>
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?
>
>
>
> Hi Andy
>
> My reference would be for Northfield/Longbridge. We coud meet in the Black
> Horse Northfield
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On 28 July 2017 at 15:18, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Brian,
>
>
>
> Agreed, let’s leave Kinver till next year.
>
>
>
> Any preference for Penkridge or Longbridge next week?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 28 July 2017 13:32
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?
>
>
>
> Hi Andy
>
> The two remaning locations on our list are Penkridge and
> Longbridge/Northfield. Happy to amend to your suggestion, but to do that
> area justice it would need a Saturday.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On 27 July 2017 at 11:59, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Did we have a list of proposed locations for remaining meetings this
> summer?
>
> I noted a couple of new user edits in the Kinver area which prompted me to
> have a closer look. Kinver and nearby Stourton, Cookley and Enville are all
> pretty much devoid of any detail currently and would make a good focus for
> an evening or Saturday. Also the Birmingham Velo (100mile closed road
> cycling event with 15,000 riders) passes through all three on Sept 24th.
> Might be nice to get some detail on the map before then?
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

My reference would be for Northfield/Longbridge. We coud meet in the Black
Horse Northfield


Regards

Brian

On 28 July 2017 at 15:18, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Brian,
>
>
>
> Agreed, let’s leave Kinver till next year.
>
>
>
> Any preference for Penkridge or Longbridge next week?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 28 July 2017 13:32
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?
>
>
>
> Hi Andy
>
> The two remaning locations on our list are Penkridge and
> Longbridge/Northfield. Happy to amend to your suggestion, but to do that
> area justice it would need a Saturday.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On 27 July 2017 at 11:59, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Did we have a list of proposed locations for remaining meetings this
> summer?
>
> I noted a couple of new user edits in the Kinver area which prompted me to
> have a closer look. Kinver and nearby Stourton, Cookley and Enville are all
> pretty much devoid of any detail currently and would make a good focus for
> an evening or Saturday. Also the Birmingham Velo (100mile closed road
> cycling event with 15,000 riders) passes through all three on Sept 24th.
> Might be nice to get some detail on the map before then?
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

The two remaning locations on our list are Penkridge and
Longbridge/Northfield. Happy to amend to your suggestion, but to do that
area justice it would need a Saturday.

Regards

Brian

On 27 July 2017 at 11:59, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> Did we have a list of proposed locations for remaining meetings this
> summer?
>
> I noted a couple of new user edits in the Kinver area which prompted me to
> have a closer look. Kinver and nearby Stourton, Cookley and Enville are all
> pretty much devoid of any detail currently and would make a good focus for
> an evening or Saturday. Also the Birmingham Velo (100mile closed road
> cycling event with 15,000 riders) passes through all three on Sept 24th.
> Might be nice to get some detail on the map before then?
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Wellesbourne Meeting July 6th

[Brian Prangle]

I'll not bemaking either as I have a stinking cough and cold and I don't
think anyone would thank me for giving it to them. I'll do some armchair
tracing to make up. Have a good evening.

Regards

Brian

On 6 July 2017 at 09:17, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alas can’t now may this evening. Hope you have a good one and the weather
> stays perfect.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 21 June 2017 17:41
> *To:* talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Wellesbourne Meeting July 6th
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> Jack Fitzimons from Warwick will be joining us.He says " The King's Head
> seems the obvious choice; easy to find, plenty of parking. A bit pricy if I
> remember from my last visit but OK"
>
> See you at 8pm- mapping beforehand. I've started populating buildings and
> general tidying up - all help appreciated
>
> There's a large new estate at the very South of the village - just begging
> to be mapped!
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Wellesbourne Meeting July 6th

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Jack Fitzimons from Warwick will be joining us.He says " The King's Head
seems the obvious choice; easy to find, plenty of parking. A bit pricy if I
remember from my last visit but OK"

See you at 8pm- mapping beforehand. I've started populating buildings and
general tidying up - all help appreciated

There's a large new estate at the very South of the village - just begging
to be mapped!

Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Addresses that reverse along a road

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

At the pub meeting last night I couldn't remember the name of the system
where the addresses go along one side of the road and then turn round and
come back down the other side

It's  boustrophedonic 

See you next month where aour meeting will be in Wellesbourne. Does anyone
know a good pub?

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] June Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

I'm going to mop up notes along the metro route, take a bus ride to
darlaston to photgraph some listed bdgs and then bimble around Wednesbury
Town Centre- the Holyhead Rd Ind Estate looks a good target too

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’ll plan on doing some mapping in the Hill Top area.
>
>
>
> See you Thursday.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 18 May 2017 20:52
> *To:* talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] June Meeting
>
>
>
> HI everyone
>
> We decided at our last meeting to meet in Wednesbury on Thursday June 1st.
> Usual practice of mapping in the early evening and meetup at 8pm.
>
> I've consulted CAMRA's good beer guide and the Bellwether looks the best
> of the bunch. Its at 3-4 Walsall St WS10 9BZ, close to the main shopping
> centre and market (not mapped as yet!). Unless of course anyone has local
> knowledge and knows a better pub.
>
> Wednesbury is on the Metro line. It's faster to catch a train to the
> Hawthorns and then get the Metro.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] June Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

HI everyone

We decided at our last meeting to meet in Wednesbury on Thursday June 1st.
Usual practice of mapping in the early evening and meetup at 8pm.

I've consulted CAMRA's good beer guide and the Bellwether looks the best of
the bunch. Its at 3-4 Walsall St WS10 9BZ, close to the main shopping
centre and market (not mapped as yet!). Unless of course anyone has local
knowledge and knows a better pub.

Wednesbury is on the Metro line. It's faster to catch a train to the
Hawthorns and then get the Metro.

Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] West Midlands Data Discovery Centre

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Take a look at this amazing facility which is a development of our work
locally with ODI,Birmingham Innovation Centre and Deft351. It's still only
a demonstrator, developed by Opendatasoft, but I'm pretty impressed with
its visualisation capabilities

https://datadiscoverycenter.opendatasoft.com/pages/homepage/


Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Jan

Just in case you're not aware from previous posts - we're meeting in
Rugeley Staffs. It's always good to see new faces. Text me on 07811 667653
if you want mapping assistance from 7pm

Regards

Brian

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> For those who may be new and wishing to come along we typically meet up in
> the pub after doing some mapping in the vicinity. Thus usually meeting at
> 8pm (The Plaza on Horse Fair in this instance), but if there is anyone
> new wishing to get some mapping assistance its typical for someone to meet
> them by 7pm if we know who they are.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 03 May 2017 13:00
>
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting
>
>
>
> I'll concentrate on the town centre
>
>
>
> On 3 May 2017 at 09:28, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Perfect Brian.
>
>
>
> See you tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Unless others have the desire I’ll probably plan on mapping some of the
> east side to the south and east of the power station. There is a bit of new
> housing also gone in around there.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org]
> *Sent:* 01 May 2017 16:17
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I've messaged everyone ( I think)  who's contributed to the map in Rugeley
> inviting them for Thursday's meeting. Let's see what happens
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How about Rugeley? Trains every 30min to an hour from New Street and fares
> have the benefit of the West Mids zoning I believe.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.7572/-1.9397
>
>
>
> The Plaza on Horse Fair is the local Wetherspoon’s.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 24 April 2017 19:43
> *To:* talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> This is scheduled for Thursday 4th May and as yet we don't have a venue
> for our first 2017 map/meet. I htink we left this with Andy R to come up
> with a suitable area we could blitz in an evening
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I've messaged everyone ( I think)  who's contributed to the map in Rugeley
inviting them for Thursday's meeting. Let's see what happens

Regards

Brian

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How about Rugeley? Trains every 30min to an hour from New Street and fares
> have the benefit of the West Mids zoning I believe.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.7572/-1.9397
>
>
>
> The Plaza on Horse Fair is the local Wetherspoon’s.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 24 April 2017 19:43
> *To:* talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> This is scheduled for Thursday 4th May and as yet we don't have a venue
> for our first 2017 map/meet. I htink we left this with Andy R to come up
> with a suitable area we could blitz in an evening
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Suits me fine - I  can bring my CAMRA Wetherspoon's 50p off a pint vouchers!

On 26 April 2017 at 13:59, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How about Rugeley? Trains every 30min to an hour from New Street and fares
> have the benefit of the West Mids zoning I believe.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.7572/-1.9397
>
>
>
> The Plaza on Horse Fair is the local Wetherspoon’s.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 24 April 2017 19:43
> *To:* talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> This is scheduled for Thursday 4th May and as yet we don't have a venue
> for our first 2017 map/meet. I htink we left this with Andy R to come up
> with a suitable area we could blitz in an evening
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

This is scheduled for Thursday 4th May and as yet we don't have a venue for
our first 2017 map/meet. I htink we left this with Andy R to come up with a
suitable area we could blitz in an evening

Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Recent Imports

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I'm now back in circulation after a much-needed off-grid break. Give me a
couple of days to digest what's been going on and get back into gear and
you'll have a considered response from me.

regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

[Brian Prangle]

Hi All

I'm off for a break and I'm leaving a couple of key imports partially
complete so I thought it best to give you an update of where I'm at:

Trees

47,000 imported so far (out of a total approx 76,000)- none north of the M6
which I've left for Andy R. Less than 0.1% (estimate) are positioned in
roads or front gardens - a slight improvement of either the road or landuse
alignment fixes these.  Before any import I've deleted any roadside trees
added from aerial imagery. There were only 4 trees in the West Midlands
tagged with species information - all monkey puzzle trees tagged by AndyR
and all N of the M6. There are trees in the database that have been cut
down - I think the field value is  "asset to be de-accrued"  and there  a
few labelled as "pre-contract stumps". I'm generally just doing a blanket
import and will clean these up later, unless it's an area I know well where
I'm deleting them manually.

Naptan bus-stops

All pre-existing OSM  bus stops have been upgraded with new naming format,
route_ref, and Towards tags, and OSM position left intact. All pre-existing
naptan nodes in OSM  without the bus stop tag have had the bus stop tag
added as well. Their position obviously will not have been verified by
survey, but this method offfers completeness

All pre-existing OSM bus stops that have been deleted in naptan have had
the highway=bus_stop tag removed and a note added explaining what's
happened. Feel free to delete any you come across.

All new CUS stops have been imported (approx 230)- mainly because they
don't render. A gradual review will be necessary as I've found in areas
that  I know  well that many of these now have poles and should be MKD in
the naptan data, and I've tagged them as bus stops where I've surveyed them.

I'm gradually working through the approx 300 OSM "orphan bus stops" that
have been surveyed but have no naptan tags. So you'll still see some
duplicates in places. Where this is the case transfer any extra tags like
shelter present and shelter ref no to the adjacent naptan node and delete
the orphan. In most cases where I've done this the OSM position of the
orphan node is better than naptan so move the naptan node to the position
of the orphan

 Some of the OSM pre-exisitng bus stops are nothing to do with naptan (e.g
NEC and Airport car park shuttles) so I'm tagging these with naptan=no.
About 20 of these so far

Any bus stops where I find there is a discrepancy beween naptan and OSM I'm
tagging with naptan_refresh=query (most of  these have been Ring and Ride
stops, or poles flagged physically with NOT IN USE). About 40 of these so
far.

That leaves about 800 new bus stops which are yet to be imported. Some of
these will match "orphan bus-stops". The remainder I'm hesitant to import
as they're either poorly positioned or just don't exist. So it's probably
going to be a long manual comparison slog. Or we live with this level of
questionable data and import them

Around the larger interchanges and bus stations  I've been adding a
stop_area relation and adding the public_transport=platform tags to the bus
stops. NB these are topographical areas and have no relation to naptan stop
areas

The last task remains to import the data on shelters, which I'll be getting
from TfWM towards the end of April

Bus Lanes

TfWM are asking local authorities other than Birmingham (which I've already
added- but we do need the times for adding conditional tags which can only
be done with surveys)) for their bus lane data. So far I have shapefiles
for Wolverhampton. Does anyone fancy adding these?

Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] April Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Don't forget there will be NO April OSM meeting as too many of us are away
and Easter makes it difficult to re-arrange. May will be our next meeting
- AndyR to arrange a peripatetic venue for early mapping then pub meetup

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Amey Birmingham Highway Assets Import

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Rob

I've got the offer of help from BCU to create something - but if there's
sommething already coded then they can just tweak that.

Regards

Brian

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Brian,
>
> As mentioned in person, there is a (python?) script called OSM Conflate
> that might help here.
>
> I am without my laptop until Monday but will look then.
>
> Rob
>
> On 3 Mar 2017 10:06 a.m., "Brian Prangle" <bpran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Following on from our discussions at last night's monthly meeting can I
>> propose the following as a way forward?
>>
>> Traffic Signals
>>
>> Import as nodes and then gradually transfer relevant data to adjacent
>> traffic signal nodes,then deleting the import node as and when folk are
>> editing in the area. I think the only data we need to add is the usrn
>> number. At the time of import we add a FIXME note with instructions on what
>> to do on each node
>>
>> Trees
>>
>> We do this on an area by area basis, deleting the existing tree nodes
>> along highways and replacing with Amey data. The data looks good as far as
>> positional placement goes and the other data looks pretty comprehensive.
>> Jerry, who des have some expert knowledge in this area, has suggested this
>> approach supplemented with a survey to check the accuracy of the species
>> description. I don't think we have either the human resources or expertise
>> to do the follow-up survey and I think we'll have to rely on the accuracy
>> of Amey.
>>
>> Overall this approach will be slower and more human-intensive but works
>> around our lack of programming skills to do a mass extract compare delete
>> import
>>
>> On both issues I'll contact Amey as to how they propose to release data
>> for additions and deletions.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
>>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Amey Birmingham Highway Assets Import

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Following on from our discussions at last night's monthly meeting can I
propose the following as a way forward?

Traffic Signals

Import as nodes and then gradually transfer relevant data to adjacent
traffic signal nodes,then deleting the import node as and when folk are
editing in the area. I think the only data we need to add is the usrn
number. At the time of import we add a FIXME note with instructions on what
to do on each node

Trees

We do this on an area by area basis, deleting the existing tree nodes along
highways and replacing with Amey data. The data looks good as far as
positional placement goes and the other data looks pretty comprehensive.
Jerry, who des have some expert knowledge in this area, has suggested this
approach supplemented with a survey to check the accuracy of the species
description. I don't think we have either the human resources or expertise
to do the follow-up survey and I think we'll have to rely on the accuracy
of Amey.

Overall this approach will be slower and more human-intensive but works
around our lack of programming skills to do a mass extract compare delete
import

On both issues I'll contact Amey as to how they propose to release data for
additions and deletions.

Regards

Brian
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] TfWM collaboration

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Just for update

All naptan bus stops from the 2009 import are now updated with name
standard, route_ref data and towards data. All those marked as DEL have
been deleted. Bus stops added by survey before or since the import
(characterised by their absence of naptan data) are being manually reviewed
and where they are duplicates - usually from surveys before the 2009 import
they are being deleted with any asset_ref tags transferred and positions
adjusted (usually the naptan node to the survey node position, it's
invariably more accurate). We're waiting for the new naptan nodes created
since the 2009 import to be added and this will enable us to clear up the
remaining non-naptan surveyed bus stops.

The task is about 500 non-naptan bus stops in OSM to be reviewed and until
the newly created nodes are imported then many can't be resolved. There are
about 1000 naptan nodes waiting for import.I could do these tomorrow but
they'd be missing the route_ref data and the new naming convention so it's
better to wait for the TfWM developer to prepare this data.

In addition, stop_area relations are being added where they are obvious -
usually for bus stations and interchanges. NB these do NOT coincide with
naptan stop areas, for which we don't have the data anyway.

All Swift Collector positions have been verified except for one or two that
are  inside bus stations or located on information boards at interchanges

Outside of the naptan data:

All railway stations have had their West Midlands Fare Zones added

All the proposed Metro lines have been added as railway=proposed.This
should really be treated as an import rather than an automated edit.

If anything' s not clear, please ask. Or if you spot any bus stop data that
looks anomalous please identify it

Regards

Brian
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Help with Speed Camera Relation

[Brian Prangle]

Dose the speed camera cover trafficin both directions or only one lane?
The from/to relation points suggest a direction but I'd have to read the
wiki again to check how unambiguous the relation is

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:16 PM, <jonat...@bigfatfrog67.me> wrote:

> Thanks Brian. What do you mean by Single Direction?  They don’t swivel and
> I’m assuming they will target traffic going in both directions.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
> http://bigfatfrog67.me
>
>
>
> *From: *Brian Prangle <bpran...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *24 February 2017 10:40
> *To: *Jonathan <jonat...@bigfatfrog67.me>
> *Cc: *talk-gb-westmidlands <Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Help with Speed Camera Relation
>
>
>
> Looks fine to me jonathan in terms of relation structure. I can't comment
> on the direction enforced. I'm assuming of course it is a single direction
> enforced
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On 23 Feb 2017 10:46 p.m., <jonat...@bigfatfrog67.me> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I’ve created a relation for a speed camera which I believe is correct but
> I’d appreciate a second opinion:
>
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7002742#map=19/52.
> 40109/-1.93670=D
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Jonathan
> http://bigfatfrog67.me
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>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] TfWM NaPTAN refresh

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Matthijs

I don't understand what there is to sort out. We don't want to delete the
node and its naptan data just the bus_stop tag which the naptan:Status=DEL
indicates. If we delete the node entirely it's difficult to recover if
there any errors in the status and we actually survey one of these on the
ground and find a bus stop actually there.

Regards

Brian

On 15 February 2017 at 21:26, Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl>
wrote:

> On 15 February 2017 at 17:58, Brian Prangle <bpran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've just removed the highway=bus_stop tag from any NaPTAN node that
> after
> > yesterdays' refresh carried the tag naptan:Status=DEL. There were 237
> cases.
> > The nodes are still there, just not rendered so if there are any errors
> in
> > TfWM's NaPTAN data, a quick adding of a bus_stop tag is all that's needed
>
> Overpass link:
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/mMn
>
> It would be good to sort these out, already in Birmingham City Centre
> there are quite some.
>
> -- Matthijs
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