Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
Hi, Both on OSM and in the Real World™, I've done a lot of work on speed limits. In http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/upload/general/Guide_Speed_Limits_Mar_2015.pdf there are two models for writing speed limit bye-laws:* Dunmanway model - draw a line around the zone and everything inside is speed limit X and * Buttevent model - a list of roads whose speed limits are X. When the 30 km/h zone was being expanded in central Dublin about 2005, one of the problems was the list of named streets ran to about 300, which was unmanageable. The decision was made to adopt the Dunmanway model, with a list of exceptions. That zone is coloured green here: http://product.itoworld.com/map/124?lon=-6.25884&lat=53.35106&zoom=14&fullscreen=true Note that the road signage is generally 0-30 metres inside the legally defined zone, For OSM purposes, the big problem is that the number of ways far exceeds the number of named streets. Grafton Street alone is made up of 7 ways. It would be very useful for someone to create a method that would apply speed limits to all (public) roads within a zone. Colm --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
> Oh go on then! ☺ I'll help. I'll wait for an all clear on the licence > front before doing anything. I thought the licence issue is related to locations of garda stations not the mobile camera zones, so the mobile camera zones should be OK? https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page1-228x300.jpg https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page2-215x300.jpg ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
Speed limits are an important part of the speed zone but hopefully it’s not a huge issue. Ideally I’d like to make the app I will eventually make when this data is available but I can put checks in place for missing speed limit data. Ina lot of cases the speed changes during speed camera zones so it’s important to have it if it’s to be of value. I can also predict the speed limit based on speeds different people travel but that’s not ideal. I’l help on this project any way I can. Donie > On 19 Aug 2016, at 07:45, Rory McCann wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 18/08/16 21:37, Daniel Cussen wrote: >> To answer a question asked in another thread, I have not progressed >> this yet. I think Rory may be the ideal person to progress if he is >> willing to volunteer. >> >> I think what needs to be done is all mobile speed camera zones in >> ROI need to be removed, and then the data formatted and imported >> into OSM. >> >> Rory are you interested? > > Oh go on then! ☺ I'll help. I'll wait for an all clear on the licence > front before doing anything. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXtqsFAAoJEOrWdmeZivv2hKYH/AkFCGyOR1WoIJJTsOj4uJhY > miCamVCW8odhx8BeyjA+hJHyvQ1i5/RWfixxucbsXE0qoCXLTIMBf1uGE4wgh7vU > /QKbKHjHUBO+VDY0I3tQMQbHa6vGmIgDoSCsFTUEjZcuB/xbds9OJqCjlBo5E2DT > QTk1PBrcr3ZkwDab0CBzS3Xcqa6xp3qg9ImlK1/gW6itHwE1LcCKKP6sAlW9Al5O > Ii5js+hQCZNN5QFx4h0LUFe5zlYQ6XWU82fNtwTWj7Rcbxe5VrcRLt/pFZ9vBIDx > PICbUPtVLnzMrD6uJcabM53v//dVOgGNCKjAmql/ZrzEVEHBdqBQYTIYSchm36Q= > =qzXp > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/08/16 21:37, Daniel Cussen wrote: > To answer a question asked in another thread, I have not progressed > this yet. I think Rory may be the ideal person to progress if he is > willing to volunteer. > > I think what needs to be done is all mobile speed camera zones in > ROI need to be removed, and then the data formatted and imported > into OSM. > > Rory are you interested? Oh go on then! ☺ I'll help. I'll wait for an all clear on the licence front before doing anything. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXtqsFAAoJEOrWdmeZivv2hKYH/AkFCGyOR1WoIJJTsOj4uJhY miCamVCW8odhx8BeyjA+hJHyvQ1i5/RWfixxucbsXE0qoCXLTIMBf1uGE4wgh7vU /QKbKHjHUBO+VDY0I3tQMQbHa6vGmIgDoSCsFTUEjZcuB/xbds9OJqCjlBo5E2DT QTk1PBrcr3ZkwDab0CBzS3Xcqa6xp3qg9ImlK1/gW6itHwE1LcCKKP6sAlW9Al5O Ii5js+hQCZNN5QFx4h0LUFe5zlYQ6XWU82fNtwTWj7Rcbxe5VrcRLt/pFZ9vBIDx PICbUPtVLnzMrD6uJcabM53v//dVOgGNCKjAmql/ZrzEVEHBdqBQYTIYSchm36Q= =qzXp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
>I'd also be hesitant to remove pre-existing data if it's not incorrect. Is >there a reason you >want to do this? Sorry, just trying to understand. In simple terms there were different mobile camera zones. Over time some were added and some removed by garda. The garda data is the correct set. Zones are changed every few years. Fixed cameras are a different matter. I believe most do not work and are in areas long bypassed, but there are notable exceptions. We can manually confirm this. We will also need to manually confirm speed limits but that is a different project. There are lots of new 30km/h zone signs popping up everywhere. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
Daniel, Fair play on the work so far. It would be a good idea to review the import guidelines page before proceeding with any import to prevent errors or incurring the wrath of the DWG. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines I'd also be hesitant to remove pre-existing data if it's not incorrect. Is there a reason you want to do this? Sorry, just trying to understand. It might be a case, for this type of data, that a layer be created that can be used in josm/id to manually add the info. Also, just to note, in terms of licensing, the ok hasn't been given yet for CC-BY 4.0 data in OSM, which is what all Irish open data is licensed under. I mentioned this in an earlier mail so it's something to be aware of. I'll follow up again and see if there has been a response from Creative Commons. I had hoped to have this resolved before people found data to import but you work faster ;) Dave On 18 Aug 2016 20:38, "Daniel Cussen" wrote: > To answer a question asked in another thread, I have not progressed this > yet. > I think Rory may be the ideal person to progress if he is willing to > volunteer. > > I think what needs to be done is all mobile speed camera zones in ROI > need to be removed, and then the data formatted and imported into OSM. > > Rory are you interested? > > On 12/06/2016, Daniel Cussen wrote: > > We now have permission to use the Garda mobile zone data. > > See: > > https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page1.jpg > > https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page2.jpg > > > > The data is here: > > http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=5590&Lang=1 > > in particular: > > http://www.garda.ie/Documents/User/SafetyZones19052016.kmz > > > > I am not good with data processing. My suggestion is to remove all > > exising speed zones from ROI OSM and then try to replace them with the > > latest Garda data. I am not sure how to do this, hopefully someone > > here can help. > > > > Ideally I would like the data to trigger warnings in apps like OsmAnd > > > > Here is some info on enforcement tags: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement > > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
To answer a question asked in another thread, I have not progressed this yet. I think Rory may be the ideal person to progress if he is willing to volunteer. I think what needs to be done is all mobile speed camera zones in ROI need to be removed, and then the data formatted and imported into OSM. Rory are you interested? On 12/06/2016, Daniel Cussen wrote: > We now have permission to use the Garda mobile zone data. > See: > https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page1.jpg > https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page2.jpg > > The data is here: > http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=5590&Lang=1 > in particular: > http://www.garda.ie/Documents/User/SafetyZones19052016.kmz > > I am not good with data processing. My suggestion is to remove all > exising speed zones from ROI OSM and then try to replace them with the > latest Garda data. I am not sure how to do this, hopefully someone > here can help. > > Ideally I would like the data to trigger warnings in apps like OsmAnd > > Here is some info on enforcement tags: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
We now have permission to use the Garda mobile zone data. See: https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page1.jpg https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page2.jpg The data is here: http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=5590&Lang=1 in particular: http://www.garda.ie/Documents/User/SafetyZones19052016.kmz I am not good with data processing. My suggestion is to remove all exising speed zones from ROI OSM and then try to replace them with the latest Garda data. I am not sure how to do this, hopefully someone here can help. Ideally I would like the data to trigger warnings in apps like OsmAnd Here is some info on enforcement tags: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
Ca, someone tell me how many user accounts there are than have edited osm irl data (yes there is a reason) On 31/03/2014, Killyfole and District Development Assocation wrote: > Colm, > > It is because no-one has added those details yet. Road sections can be > tagged with what ever > data we wish to tag them with. The OSM wiki describes how to use the tags. > Speed on that > section of way is tagging using maxspeed=* We use the ref=* tag to record > the road reference > number ie R999, L etc > > The following link is a visual layer which colour codes the speed limits > stored in the OSM > database and shows it on an OSM map. The small key on the right shows the > legend/key for > the colours. As you zoom in, minor roads will appear. Grey roads indicate > that we do not have > data available for those sections. > > http://www.itoworld.com/map/35?lon=-7.03486&lat=53.36929&zoom=8&fullscreen=true > > Notice that the North speeds are a yellow/green colour, this is because the > speed limits here > are in miles per hour, not km/h. > > I suggest you come along to #osm-ie and have a chat. > > KDDA > > >> However, with an adjacent minor road: >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/53.7570/-6.3205 it >> does >> not have "Lanes" or "Reference". Is this because it is an unclassified >> road? How does one record the local road number? >> >> Colm > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
Colm, It is because no-one has added those details yet. Road sections can be tagged with what ever data we wish to tag them with. The OSM wiki describes how to use the tags. Speed on that section of way is tagging using maxspeed=* We use the ref=* tag to record the road reference number ie R999, L etc The following link is a visual layer which colour codes the speed limits stored in the OSM database and shows it on an OSM map. The small key on the right shows the legend/key for the colours. As you zoom in, minor roads will appear. Grey roads indicate that we do not have data available for those sections. http://www.itoworld.com/map/35?lon=-7.03486&lat=53.36929&zoom=8&fullscreen=true Notice that the North speeds are a yellow/green colour, this is because the speed limits here are in miles per hour, not km/h. I suggest you come along to #osm-ie and have a chat. KDDA > However, with an adjacent minor road: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/53.7570/-6.3205 it does > not have "Lanes" or "Reference". Is this because it is an unclassified > road? How does one record the local road number? > > Colm ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
HI Colm I’ll try to add a simple tutorial on how I’ve done the edits to the roads to split them but basically if you click on a node on the way it will give you options to split the line. IF the line is split between the speed limit zones you can update the tags for that section then. I’m well aware of the Garda being on any road section but I’m concentrating on the Go Safe cameras for now as they are they biggest threat. You can (used to be able to) sweet talk a Guard but you can’t with these cameras :) The whole point of the app anyway is not to allow you to sped (you do that at your own risk), it’s to get around the fact that the Go Safe zones are deliberately in place to generate revenue and in a lot of places there is no speed limit sign. You can easily think your are in a 100 or 80 and it could be a 60. You can get done for being over the limit even though you weren’t speeding as such or wouldn’t be if it was clearly marked. I got 6 penalty points at the start of the campaign where those cameras were introduced because I wasn’t aware of either the speed limit or the zone location. Remember, at the start they didn’t even have the signs up. It’s a total revenue generating exercise as far as I can see. I posed a query for overpass yesterday which will show you the zones you’ve mapped. Use that to check your work. Thanks Donie On 31 Mar 2014, at 14:15, Colm Moore wrote: > Hi, > > 1. While the Go-safe cameras may often use particular spots, they can be > placed anywhere in a zone. Garda vehicles can be anywhere at all, not > just the designated zones. > > I understnad this is the current list of zones: > http://www.garda.ie/Documents/User/Total%20list%20of%20ALL%20727%20active%20zones.pdf > but an email to traf...@garda.ie should clarify that. > > Note that speed limits tend to be poorly signposted in Ireland. > > 2. I've noticed that road segments often go from village to village, but > this might not correspond with speed limit boundaries. How does one > split the segment into two segments? > > 3. With some roads, e.g. R166 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/53.7459/-6.2921 the > following data fields are available. > > Secondary Road > * Name > * One Way > * Speed Limit > * Structure > * Access > * Lanes > * Surface > * Reference > * All tags (2) > * All relations (0) > > However, with an adjacent minor road: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/53.7570/-6.3205 > it does not have "Lanes" or "Reference". Is this because it is an > unclassified road? How does one record the local road number? > > Colm > > --- > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead > > >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 02:05:33 +0100 >> From: Donie Kelly >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones >> >> The road through Charville for example has two speed limits throughout the >> speed enforcement zone, 50 and 100. What I?ve done is split the road into >> parts with separate speed limits on them instead of marking the whole road >> section as 50;60;100 >> >> So now I know when I?m in the 50 or 100. I think there might be a 60 in >> there so I will fix that on Tuesday on the way down to Cork. All road >> sections between the start and end of the speed camera signs are tagged as >> enforcement:maxspeed. Is this ok? >> >> So querying this data I now know the entry and exit points and the actually >> speed limits on any part of the road so that I can display the speed limit >> and raise audible alerts intelligently as you drive on these sections. >> >> Has anybody got other opinions on how this can be done? >> >> Thanks >> donie >> > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
Hi, 1. While the Go-safe cameras may often use particular spots, they can be placed anywhere in a zone. Garda vehicles can be anywhere at all, not just the designated zones. I understnad this is the current list of zones: http://www.garda.ie/Documents/User/Total%20list%20of%20ALL%20727%20active%20zones.pdf but an email to traf...@garda.ie should clarify that. Note that speed limits tend to be poorly signposted in Ireland. 2. I've noticed that road segments often go from village to village, but this might not correspond with speed limit boundaries. How does one split the segment into two segments? 3. With some roads, e.g. R166 https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/53.7459/-6.2921 the following data fields are available. Secondary Road * Name * One Way * Speed Limit * Structure * Access * Lanes * Surface * Reference * All tags (2) * All relations (0) However, with an adjacent minor road: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/53.7570/-6.3205 it does not have "Lanes" or "Reference". Is this because it is an unclassified road? How does one record the local road number? Colm --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 02:05:33 +0100 > From: Donie Kelly > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones > > The road through Charville for example has two speed limits throughout the > speed enforcement zone, 50 and 100. What I?ve done is split the road into > parts with separate speed limits on them instead of marking the whole road > section as 50;60;100 > > So now I know when I?m in the 50 or 100. I think there might be a 60 in there > so I will fix that on Tuesday on the way down to Cork. All road sections > between the start and end of the speed camera signs are tagged as > enforcement:maxspeed. Is this ok? > > So querying this data I now know the entry and exit points and the actually > speed limits on any part of the road so that I can display the speed limit > and raise audible alerts intelligently as you drive on these sections. > > Has anybody got other opinions on how this can be done? > > Thanks > donie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
HI all Sorry to bring this up again on the list but can you guys check that I am doing this speed zones correctly Here is an overpass query that will show you what’s done already. http://overpass-turbo.eu/index.html The road through Charville for example has two speed limits throughout the speed enforcement zone, 50 and 100. What I’ve done is split the road into parts with separate speed limits on them instead of marking the whole road section as 50;60;100 So now I know when I’m in the 50 or 100. I think there might be a 60 in there so I will fix that on Tuesday on the way down to Cork. All road sections between the start and end of the speed camera signs are tagged as enforcement:maxspeed. Is this ok? So querying this data I now know the entry and exit points and the actually speed limits on any part of the road so that I can display the speed limit and raise audible alerts intelligently as you drive on these sections. Has anybody got other opinions on how this can be done? Thanks donie ps: I’d love if people started helping out to get these mapped. If I get a commitment to get them done I can get the app out sooner and it will automatically get updates are done on OSM. On 17 Mar 2014, at 20:23, Donie Kelly wrote: >> Re speed zones >> >>> Anybody interested in helping me get these mapped ourselves? If we gather >>> the data ourselves we are under no obligation to anybody? >> >> I had a look at the number of zones and there is an incredible amount >> of them. Granted they may not change for a few years, and that there >> is not that many on national roads, but it would probably require >> stopping at the start and end of each zone, and it's hard to find the >> end as the sign is on the far side facing the wrong way It would be >> best to get a definite no, before we re-invent the wheel >> > > Agreed > > >> A bit of checking revealed two similar apps Trapster and Waze which >> are already in use and have Irish users. They are aimed at a worldwide >> audience. Anyway I am not that keen on an app that is not a full OSM >> map with full OSM offline turn by turn guidance. > > These app don’t show you where the zones are in my opinion, only where speed > traps are setup. My app will be designed to keep you safe when no camera is > reported in that it will let you know you are in a restricted speed zone and > tell you the speed limit. > >> >> I already have the zones on my garmin which also uses OSM maps. Is >> there any existing OSM based map that does turn by turn and also >> alerts for speed zones? Will it alert for your mobile speed camera >> zones? Should we have a special tag for mobile camera zone, as there >> does not seem to be one that I could find? They should also be a tag >> for average speed camera zone, as there is one in Newry. > > When you say mobile speed zones it implies that the camera can be anywhere > and that would be the intention of the tag I’d guess. These go-safe camera > are know to be in certain areas only so we really need a a tag that says > something like “temporary speed zone” or “partially enforced”. Only when the > vans are there the zone is enforced. I’d see a mobile speed camera as being > places anywhere, not just particular areas. There is a subtly difference. > > Does the app uses OSM data need to display that data on an OSM sourced map? I > don’t think it matters does it? The app I’m developing is designed to use > audio and GPS in the background and will not show you that map in normal use, > only if you want to browse the zones. >> >> I noticed this website shows all the OSM speed cameras across europe: >> http://frink.bplaced.de/blitzer/ >> You need to zoom in to say london with level 11 zoom to see them. I >> could not see any mobile camera zones. If you zoom into a place like >> brussels it shows speed limit icons. I am not sure if these are fixed >> cameras or what. > > That map is useless for Ireland. We need to tag this data ourselves I think > and OSM is the ideal platform for it IMO. That way anybody can use it to > develop other apps and the work is not propitiatory. > > As an aside, I asked tom-tom to sell me the speed limit data via their API > for offline use and they refused. The want the end use to query the speed > limits in real time and they allowed only limited caching of the data. They > charge per API call you see so use a cloud service to grab speed data from > them is not even allowed as its’ a one to many and breaks the terms of the > licence. > > I want all zones to have speed limit data if they are marked for enforcement. > We have the tools. It’s just getting people to map the zones in their areas > along with the speed. They can be cross re > > > > > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
> Re speed zones > >> Anybody interested in helping me get these mapped ourselves? If we gather >> the data ourselves we are under no obligation to anybody? > > I had a look at the number of zones and there is an incredible amount > of them. Granted they may not change for a few years, and that there > is not that many on national roads, but it would probably require > stopping at the start and end of each zone, and it's hard to find the > end as the sign is on the far side facing the wrong way It would be > best to get a definite no, before we re-invent the wheel > Agreed > A bit of checking revealed two similar apps Trapster and Waze which > are already in use and have Irish users. They are aimed at a worldwide > audience. Anyway I am not that keen on an app that is not a full OSM > map with full OSM offline turn by turn guidance. These app don’t show you where the zones are in my opinion, only where speed traps are setup. My app will be designed to keep you safe when no camera is reported in that it will let you know you are in a restricted speed zone and tell you the speed limit. > > I already have the zones on my garmin which also uses OSM maps. Is > there any existing OSM based map that does turn by turn and also > alerts for speed zones? Will it alert for your mobile speed camera > zones? Should we have a special tag for mobile camera zone, as there > does not seem to be one that I could find? They should also be a tag > for average speed camera zone, as there is one in Newry. When you say mobile speed zones it implies that the camera can be anywhere and that would be the intention of the tag I’d guess. These go-safe camera are know to be in certain areas only so we really need a a tag that says something like “temporary speed zone” or “partially enforced”. Only when the vans are there the zone is enforced. I’d see a mobile speed camera as being places anywhere, not just particular areas. There is a subtly difference. Does the app uses OSM data need to display that data on an OSM sourced map? I don’t think it matters does it? The app I’m developing is designed to use audio and GPS in the background and will not show you that map in normal use, only if you want to browse the zones. > > I noticed this website shows all the OSM speed cameras across europe: > http://frink.bplaced.de/blitzer/ > You need to zoom in to say london with level 11 zoom to see them. I > could not see any mobile camera zones. If you zoom into a place like > brussels it shows speed limit icons. I am not sure if these are fixed > cameras or what. That map is useless for Ireland. We need to tag this data ourselves I think and OSM is the ideal platform for it IMO. That way anybody can use it to develop other apps and the work is not propitiatory. As an aside, I asked tom-tom to sell me the speed limit data via their API for offline use and they refused. The want the end use to query the speed limits in real time and they allowed only limited caching of the data. They charge per API call you see so use a cloud service to grab speed data from them is not even allowed as its’ a one to many and breaks the terms of the licence. I'd like all zones to have speed limit data if they are marked for enforcement. We have the tools. It’s just getting people to map the zones in their areas along with the speed. Donie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones
Re speed zones > Anybody interested in helping me get these mapped ourselves? If we gather > the data ourselves we are under no obligation to anybody? I had a look at the number of zones and there is an incredible amount of them. Granted they may not change for a few years, and that there is not that many on national roads, but it would probably require stopping at the start and end of each zone, and it's hard to find the end as the sign is on the far side facing the wrong way It would be best to get a definite no, before we re-invent the wheel > I've set up a few routes with the enforcement on them and I need you guys to > check them. They looked OK to me but I am no OSM expert. > I can build this query into the back end of the app A bit of checking revealed two similar apps Trapster and Waze which are already in use and have Irish users. They are aimed at a worldwide audience. Anyway I am not that keen on an app that is not a full OSM map with full OSM offline turn by turn guidance. I already have the zones on my garmin which also uses OSM maps. Is there any existing OSM based map that does turn by turn and also alerts for speed zones? Will it alert for your mobile speed camera zones? Should we have a special tag for mobile camera zone, as there does not seem to be one that I could find? They should also be a tag for average speed camera zone, as there is one in Newry. I noticed this website shows all the OSM speed cameras across europe: http://frink.bplaced.de/blitzer/ You need to zoom in to say london with level 11 zoom to see them. I could not see any mobile camera zones. If you zoom into a place like brussels it shows speed limit icons. I am not sure if these are fixed cameras or what. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
