Re: [Talk-in] OSM workshop in Mumbai tomorrow morning

[Mikel Maron]

Sounds fun, wish I could be there

Mikel

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Re: [Talk-in] Fw: [CrisisMappers] 25 killed; 24,000 stranded as rain wreaks havoc in Uttarakhand, India

[Mikel Maron]

To start, we can identify the affected areas, and check on sources of data to 
improve the map.


This is the region? 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.09&lon=79.3&zoom=8&layers=M Looks very 
mountainous. 
Quick spot checks on Bing imagery, it's high resolution. Other sources?


If we can identify a bounding box for the region, then can set up a job on the 
tasking server http://tasks.hotosm.org/

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron


>
> From: Ishan Chattopadhyaya 
>To: Mikel Maron ; OpenStreetMap in India 
> 
>Cc: "h...@openstreetmap.org"  
>Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Fw: [CrisisMappers] 25 killed; 24,000 stranded as rain 
>wreaks havoc in Uttarakhand, India
> 
>
>
>Let us do something! Anyone has any pointers how can we start (in an organized 
>fashion)?
>Can someone please take a lead to start a mapping sprint towards helping map 
>the affected regions? Mikel?
>
>
>On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>
>Some response to the floods in Uttarakhand. Is there anything for OSM to 
>improve in the base map of the region, to aid response?
>> 
>>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>>- Forwarded Message -
>>>From: Buddhadeb Halder 
>>>To: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com 
>>>Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:17 PM
>>>Subject: [CrisisMappers] 25 killed; 24,000 stranded as rain wreaks havoc in 
>>>Uttarakhand, India
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi CrisisMappers,
>>>Thousands are reported stranded in Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh in India 
>>>due to heavy rains and landslides.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Buddha
>>>
>>>@HalderBuddha
>>>
>>>Some updates: 
>>>1. Uttarakhand worst affected as rain wreaks havoc in north India; thousands 
>>>stranded
>>>2. Watch: in torrential rain, house collapses in Uttarakhand 
>>>3. Rain triggers landslides in Uttarakhand; Char Dham Yatra suspended 
>>>
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[Talk-in] Fw: [CrisisMappers] 25 killed; 24,000 stranded as rain wreaks havoc in Uttarakhand, India

[Mikel Maron]

Some response to the floods in Uttarakhand. Is there anything for OSM to 
improve in the base map of the region, to aid response?
 
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- Forwarded Message -
>From: Buddhadeb Halder 
>To: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:17 PM
>Subject: [CrisisMappers] 25 killed; 24,000 stranded as rain wreaks havoc in 
>Uttarakhand, India
> 
>
>
>Hi CrisisMappers,
>Thousands are reported stranded in Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh in India 
>due to heavy rains and landslides.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Buddha
>
>@HalderBuddha
>
>Some updates: 
>1. Uttarakhand worst affected as rain wreaks havoc in north India; thousands 
>stranded
>2. Watch: in torrential rain, house collapses in Uttarakhand 
>3. Rain triggers landslides in Uttarakhand; Char Dham Yatra suspended 
>
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Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server

[Mikel Maron]

Hey

renderd wasn't running on the server, restarted it, and tiles are being 
generated again, India-wide.

We can run as many styles as we want. I like Arun's style, but it doesn't serve 
every purpose :).

Permalinks and stuff, that just takes some javascript and time (I'm a little 
short on the latter right now).

Mikel
 
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>
> From: satyaakam goswami 
>To: OpenStreetMap in India  
>Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 AM
>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
> 
>
>
>On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:02 AM, H.S.Rai wrote:
>
>Please note:
>>
>> nrcf...@au-kbc.in is bouncing.
>>
>
>
>i propose let us rebuild , let me see what i can do .
> 
>On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>>> Prof Rai
>>>
>>> Zoom out on that map, we loaded all of India for that map.
>>
>>I did. Go to Ludhiana, and try to reach our college, GNDEC; you will
>>get nothing.
>>
>
>
>i found the same while trying to zoom into other areas , by the by my kid 
>liked  it on a one on one comparison with G! maps!!
> 
>
>>It does not have permanent link; else  I have given you URL.
>>
>>
>>> Anyway, it's very much a work in progress. The idea is to provide means for
>>> many renderings of India OSM, and update data regularly. My thought to
>>> manage the different styles was to use GitHub, with a subdirectory for each
>>> style, and in carto. I'm doing this already for another project on another
>>> server, and it works pretty well.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants to push this forward, happy to collaborate.
>>
>>I will let you know, after studying.
>>
>>But I must say, style is "stunning".
>>
>
>
>i saw this briefly when Arun ( planemad ) was working on this style , yes it 
>has hours of work in it , if someone else wants to adopt it is there any 
>documentation somewhere where using which they can contribute in the same way ?
> 
>Should not we use openstreetmap.in somehow?
>>
>
>
>the domain has expired so have registered again .
>
>
>-Satya
>
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Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server

[Mikel Maron]

Prof Rai

Zoom out on that map, we loaded all of India for that map. 
 
Anyway, it's very much a work in progress. The idea is to provide means for 
many renderings of India OSM, and update data regularly. My thought to manage 
the different styles was to use GitHub, with a subdirectory for each style, and 
in carto. I'm doing this already for another project on another server, and it 
works pretty well.

If anyone wants to push this forward, happy to collaborate.

-Mikel

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>
> From: H.S.Rai 
>To: Mikel Maron ; OpenStreetMap in India 
> 
>Cc: "nrcf...@au-kbc.in"  
>Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 2:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
> 
>
>On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>>
>> What was previously being hosted there?
>
>It was experimental map server for India, with changed icons.
>
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Rendering_server
>
>https://bitbucket.org/lawgon/osmindia/
>
>> Last November, we had set up a tile server at
>> http://freemap.in/osm/slippymap.html. This should be open for other OSM
>> purposes in India.
>
>Presently it seems, having focus of Mumbai only.
>
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Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server

[Mikel Maron]

Professor Rai, everyone,

What was previously being hosted there?

Last November, we had set up a tile server at 
http://freemap.in/osm/slippymap.html. This should be open for other OSM 
purposes in India. 

-Mikel
 
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>
> From: H.S.Rai 
>To: nrcf...@au-kbc.in 
>Cc: talk-in  
>Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:18 AM
>Subject: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
> 
>
>Dear Sir,
>
>There used to be Indian Open Street Map server hosted on your server,
>which was handled by Mr. Kenneth Gonsalves.
>
>Now it seems to be out of life.
>
>Can it be brought back.
>
>If some help is need then there are many on Indian mailing list of OSM
>and even Indian residing outside India will be happy to render any
>help for this cause.
>
>Looking forward to hear from your side.
>
>With kind regards,
>
>--
>Prof. (Dr.) H.S.Rai
>Dean Testing and Consultancy http://gndec.ac.in/tcc/
>Guru Nanak Dev Engg. College http://gndec.ac.in/
>Ludhiana (Pb) India
>http://gndec.ac.in/~hsrai/
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[Talk-in] admin boundaries

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

I'm looking for Indian state admin boundaries, both current, and from previous 
reorganizations.

Does anyone here know of how the admin boundaries in OSM were imported? From 
what source?

Searching, I've also found this conveniently, derived from Natural Earth. Do 
these more or less look correct for present boundaries?
http://geocommons.com/overlays/73828

 
Thanks
Mikel

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Re: [Talk-in] Police investigating Google's mapathon

[Mikel Maron]

Side note...

> Google maps or even OSM are never going to be authentic maps endorsed by an 
>official source.

I disagree. Humanitarian organizations regularly use OpenStreetMap in published 
maps. Various governments are using and contributing to OSM (this is a good 
one: http://www.nps.gov/npmap/blog/introducing-park-tiles.html), and there's 
active work to figure out how to "authenticate" endorsed versions of objects in 
OSM. 

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>
> From: Arun Ganesh 
>To: OpenStreetMap in India  
>Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 4:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Police investigating Google's mapathon
> 
>
>I did read about an opposition party MP raising concerns about this, but was 
>not aware of what is happening. The whole citizen mapping treading on SOI's 
>territory has been a concern at the back of my mind and I'm curious to know 
>what comes out of this. 
>
>
>I find three interesting perspectives to the issue:
>Authenticity
>If you are crowdsourcing map making, how do you guarantee it is accurate? You 
>can't! 
>Imagine the military or any security establishment using a crowdsourced map 
>for the basis of its operation, it would be silly without doing an independent 
>ground survey to authenticate the data. Google maps or even OSM are never 
>going to be authentic maps endorsed by an official source. At the end, SOI, 
>Google Maps and Openstreetmap are all going to have different maps, so which 
>one do you trust? The one from the government funded by tax money, or the one 
>from a bunch of unpaid citizens who can do whatever they want?
>
>
>Security
>The main concern is obviously maps being used as a resource by an enemy to 
>compromise a target. If one were an enemy of the state, which maps would you 
>use for your evil mission? 
>SOI: They hide military areas, but they also have accurate information on a 
>lot of other areas including topography and the data is verified by the 
>Government.
>Google and OSM: Maps created using citizen volunteers who can only collect 
>what is already publicly available. There is limited moderation and verifying 
>of data. This raises questions about accountability and accuracy of the 
>dataset and there is nobody who can guarantee it. Would one use a crowdsourced 
>map or an official map for a critical operation?
>
>
>Monopoly
>Planning of most human activities requires some sort of geographic information 
>and in India, with so many people, it's going to be extremely valuable 
>information. History has shown us that those with better maps stays in 
>control, and we are having this dogfight of who control's the better map - the 
>government or the people?
>
>
>;
>I find the whole Citizen Mapping vs Security argument laughable. If the 
>security establishment is compromised because of information that can be 
>gathered from the public domain from unverified sources, where exactly is the 
>security compromise? It looks like the State has just been caught sleeping 
>with it's old cash cow while the world has moved on.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Ishan Chattopadhyaya 
> wrote:
>
>Its companies like Google that defame community mapping efforts like ours. 
>First they try StreetView, which turns Govt. suspiscious about their motives 
>and then whatever they do is eyed with suspicion. Anyway, I am not overly 
>disappointed or sad; Perhaps, I'm just happy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Pradeep Mohandas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>The similarity exists in that OpenStreetMap also has people, ordinary people, 
>>collecting this data and uploading it on OpenStreetMap. The modus operandi is 
>>similar. 
>>>
>>>Also, the Delhi Police is acting on a complaint lodged by the Survey of 
>>>India that exerts its right as the sole map maker in India. Isn't that in 
>>>conflict with what we're doing on OSM too? 
>>>
>>>I learnt and contributed to Google Maps before I did to OSM. It was on 
>>>Google Maps that I learnt about OSM. I feel kinda sad with this community 
>>>taking this approach. Mappers must be able to contribute to any platform 
>>>that they wish to. I think this case sorta threatens that freedom.
>>>
>>>Anyway, that's just me.
>>>
>>>warm regards,
>>>Pradeep
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 5 April 2013 22:19, Shekhar Krishnan  wrote:
>>>
>>>This is about Google's private data collection efforts, not OSM's public 
>>>map-building. No need for us in OSM to worry 

[Talk-in] StudioX Mapping Party Diary

[Mikel Maron]

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mikelmaron/diary/18777


Some thoughts on a stimulating couple days...
 
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Re: [Talk-in] OSM Mumbai Workshop this FRIDAY 22 Feb

[Mikel Maron]

Greetings! from my jetlagged addled mappers mind.
Great to be back in Mumbai, if just for a short time. 

Friday is shaping up pretty interesting. Chance to focus on a use case, 
pedestrian mapping,
and we're aiming to go from data collection to printed map production in one 
OSM sprint.

If you're planning to join, and I hope you can, please help us out and RSVP as 
per
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumbai/StudioX#Participants


Thanks, and see you soon.
-Mikel
 
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>
> From: Shekhar Krishnan 
>To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:11 PM
>Subject: [Talk-in] OSM Mumbai Workshop this FRIDAY 22 Feb
> 
>Dear All:
>
>With Mikel Maron and Arun Ganesh, we are organising an OSM Mumbai Mapping 
>Workshop/Party this FRIDAY 22 FEBRUARY from 2-6pm in South Mumbai near VT/CST 
>Station.
>
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumbai/StudioX
>
>The page above is still in the works, and suggestions and comments from 
>existing OSMers in Mumbai are most welcome. Please RSVP soon as we can only 
>host 20 (twenty) participants, to confirm see the page.
>
>Best,
>
>
>S.K.
>-- 
>Shekhar Krishnan
>Topomancy LLC
>
>http://shekhar.cc
>http://topomancy.com
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[Talk-in] Participatory OSM in Pune

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

Just wanted to share this presentation by a researcher who worked in a Pune 
slum last summer mapping.
http://www.slideshare.net/candelasre/participatory-mapping-in-pune

 
My take on the outcomes is that it was quite a short intervention. All the 
challenges faced are the slower moving, real issues to grapple with in this 
kind of work. 

Cheers
Mikel

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Re: [Talk-in] Mappy Hour in one hour!

[Mikel Maron]

Sanjay-ji

Was only in Mumbai for 24 hours, capped off a mostly offline 3 weeks in India. 


Workwise, we kept the wheels spinning on the Kerala mapping project 
http://groundtruth.in/2012/11/24/chalakudy-and-river-basin-open-data/
And had just a little talk about mapping with Tibetan exile community in 
Dharmashala, maybe something there

Also, randomly met one of the attendees from the Cartonama workshop at the 
amazing observatory in Jaipur :)


Otherwise, have continued talking w/ http://www.transparentchennai.com/ about 
integrating OSM in their workflow, but probably really need someone to visit 
for that to happen. In Pune, a researcher conducted a small OSM slum mapping 
project last July, that was then presented at SOTM Scotland recently (no slides 
online yet). 

How is Open Mumbai going?!

-Mikel

 
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>
> From: Sanjay Bhangar 
>To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org 
>Cc: Mikel Maron  
>Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Mappy Hour in one hour!
> 
>
>hey,
>
>
>thanks to all who travelled across the city and came down ..
>
>
>heard some fascinating stories about the early days of the internet in india 
>from russ, checked out OSMAnd, which is very cool and got some nice osm 
>stickers for my newly replaced laptop casing :)
>
>
>Mikel, are you in town for some time? Would be great to see you again.
>
>
>all the best,
>
>Sanjay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Russell Nelson  wrote:
>
>I think everyone involved had fun. I handed out some of my OSM swag, showed 
>off my Columbus V-900 and Nexus 7 tablet running OSMAnd. We drank some beer, 
>had some kebab takeout, and we generally had a fun time talking about mapping.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>>
>>sorry I missed it! we had some bad news to deal with right before our flight. 
>>hope to catch up soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Chaitanya waichal 
>>>>To: Paramvir Singh ; talk-in@openstreetmap.org 
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:11 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Mappy Hour in one hour!
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>how did it all go?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:59 PM,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>On my way!
>>>>>Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-Original Message-
>>>>>From: "Russ Nelson" 
>>>>>Date: 28 Nov 2012 12:01:13
>>>>>To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
>>>>>Reply-To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
>>>>>Subject: [Talk-in] Mappy Hour in one hour!
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Re: [Talk-in] Mappy Hour in one hour!

[Mikel Maron]

sorry I missed it! we had some bad news to deal with right before our flight. 
hope to catch up soon.


 
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>
> From: Chaitanya waichal 
>To: Paramvir Singh ; talk-in@openstreetmap.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Mappy Hour in one hour!
> 
>
>how did it all go?!
>
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:59 PM,  wrote:
>
>On my way!
>>Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: "Russ Nelson" 
>>Date: 28 Nov 2012 12:01:13
>>To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
>>Reply-To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
>>Subject: [Talk-in] Mappy Hour in one hour!
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Re: [Talk-in] Mappy hour?

[Mikel Maron]

wednesday works better for me too, getting into mumbai later than i thought 
tomorrow



--
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 6:12 AM PST Russell Nelson wrote:

>That works for me.
>On Nov 26, 2012 6:07 AM, "Shekhar Krishnan"  wrote:
>
>> Dear Russ and All:
>>
>> Tomorrow (Tuesday 27 Nov) doesn't work for me, since I just realised that
>> this Wednesday is a state holiday and I'll have to work late.
>>
>> Perhaps Wednesday 28 Nov would be better, since more folks will be free to
>> travel and maybe taking a break.
>>
>> We can meet in Worli at the flat of Sanjay Bhangar (also on this list), as
>> wifi is currently broken in my office in Matunga West. Worli is nearby.
>> Subhodip, Arun, Mikel etc. know the place.
>>
>> The address is 105, Madhuli Apartments, opposite Nehru Planetarium and
>> Atria Mall, Dr Annie Besant Road, Worli. My contact number is 98200.45529
>> and Sanjay's is 98200.53341.
>>
>> Russ, does this work for you, and if so can we confirm the meetup on
>> Wednesday evening? Let's do it around 6 or 7pm since me and others will
>> need to commute home by 9pm or so.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Shekhar
>>
>>
>> On Friday 23 November 2012 10:26 AM, paramvi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Sounds good. Can someone post directions?
>> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Russell Nelson 
>> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 23:53:09
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Re: [Talk-in] Mappy hour?

[Mikel Maron]

Arun, we are in Dharamshala! So you are responsible for the excellent mapping 
around here? Let's meet up for coffee or dinner.

Sajjad, wish we could have swung through Bangalore this trip, but not enough 
time.


 
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>
> From: Arun Ganesh 
>To: Mikel Maron ; talk-in@openstreetmap.org 
>Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Mappy hour?
> 
>
>How come everyone is suddenly in Mumbai? If anyone is planning to come towards 
>the himalayas, I can be found near Dharamshala till January.
>
>
>
>On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>
>Erica and I will be in the megacity Tuesday and Wednesday
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: Shekhar Krishnan 
>>>To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org 
>>>Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 9:26 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Mappy hour?
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>Sure. Let's do a meetup next week in the evening sometime. Other Mumbai 
>>>OSMers around? 
>>>Please call me 98200.45529. My office is in Matunga West/Mahim and we can 
>>>most probably meet there. 
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>Shekhar
>>>--
>>>Shekhar Krishnan
>>>Topomancy LLC
>>>48, Whipple Street, #1B
>>>Brooklyn, NY, U.S.A.
>>>http://shekhar.cc
>>>On Nov 22, 2012 2:56 AM, "Russell Nelson"  wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey everybody, I'm going to be arriving in Mumbai Sunday morning, here for a 
>>>week. Does anybody want to get together of an evening, do some armchair 
>>>mapping, talk about OSM, whatever? We usually work until 7:30 or 8, so I'm 
>>>available after that. I'm working at Rediff in Mahim, but my hotel is the 
>>>Bawa International in Santa Cruz, but I can make my way around Mumbai as 
>>>needed. 
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Re: [Talk-in] Mappy hour?

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Erica and I will be in the megacity Tuesday and Wednesday


 
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>
> From: Shekhar Krishnan 
>To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org 
>Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 9:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Mappy hour?
> 
>
>Sure. Let's do a meetup next week in the evening sometime. Other Mumbai OSMers 
>around? 
>Please call me 98200.45529. My office is in Matunga West/Mahim and we can most 
>probably meet there. 
>Best,
>
>Shekhar
>--
>Shekhar Krishnan
>Topomancy LLC
>48, Whipple Street, #1B
>Brooklyn, NY, U.S.A.
>http://shekhar.cc
>On Nov 22, 2012 2:56 AM, "Russell Nelson"  wrote:
>
>Hey everybody, I'm going to be arriving in Mumbai Sunday morning, here for a 
>week. Does anybody want to get together of an evening, do some armchair 
>mapping, talk about OSM, whatever? We usually work until 7:30 or 8, so I'm 
>available after that. I'm working at Rediff in Mahim, but my hotel is the Bawa 
>International in Santa Cruz, but I can make my way around Mumbai as needed. 
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Re: [Talk-in] Fwd: [Ilugc] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth Gonsalvas)

[Mikel Maron]

What a shock. Just a couple weeks ago, Kenneth asked me to write a letter of 
support for an OSM workshop in Trivandrum. Wish there was some way his drive 
for that spark of mapping in Kerala could continue...


 
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>
> From: Arun Ganesh 
>To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org 
>Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 6:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Fwd: [Ilugc] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth 
>Gonsalvas)
> 
>
>I met Kenneth first when I came to attend the Freemap India workshops in 2008. 
>It was with him that I realized what foss was about.
>
>He changed my life.
>
>On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan  
>wrote:
>
>Sad. RIP
>>
>>
>>-- Forwarded message --
>>From: JAGANADH G 
>>Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM
>>Subject: [Ilugc] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth Gonsalvas)
>>To: ILUG-C , Bangalore Python Users Group - India 
>>, Mailing list for the PyCon India conference 
>>, ilug...@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>Just now I got a message that our dear KG (Kenneth Gonsalvas) passed away.
>>He was admitted in hospital due to Asthma attack and passed away today
>>morning.
>>Cremation will be held at ooty on 4th Aug 2012.
>>
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>>http://jaganadhg.in
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[Talk-in] Master Planning and Remote Sensing

[Mikel Maron]

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/technology/2012/08/master-planning-7935-indian-cities-and-towns/2835/


Anyone heard of this, know anything about it? Any chance the imagery could be 
made more widely available?

In my view, remote sensing and GIS in master urban plans is just one step. 
Digital/Offline participatory planning, starting with engagement in 
OpenStreetMap, could produce truly workable plans for the growth of India's 
cities.

-Mikel
 
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[Talk-in] use of OSM India

[Mikel Maron]

http://powercuts.in/


Just won an award, and of course very relevant right now

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[Talk-in] Rilapp Data for OSM

[Mikel Maron]

Hi Everyone

I was put in touch with Himanshu of Rilapp Technologies of New Dehli, through 
the OSM Foundation.
They deal with GPS vehicle tracking systems, and used collected data to created 
street maps in the following cities:

Agra, Ahmedabad, Allahabad, Bangalore, Bhopal, Chennai, Delhi, Hyderabad, 
Jaipur, Jaunpur, Kanpur, Kolkata, Lucknow, Mumbai, Pune, Surat, 
Thiruvanantpuram, Vadodara, Varanasi

They have actually already downloaded and edited OSM data in JOSM, supplemented 
by the data from vehicle tracking, and GPS survey using Garmin handhelds and 
GPS mobile phones; as well as Yahoo satellite imagery. All was prepared in 
2009-10. 

They've made available all the OSM data in DropBox.
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/76410100/All_India_Himanshu_OSM.rar

Anyone interested in looking at this further? Quite a lot of data, but I'm not 
sure how easy to integrate OSM data created from 3 years ago. Also, I'm not 
clear why this wasn't directly uploaded to OSM back then.

-Mikel

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Re: [Talk-in] Indic rendering

[Mikel Maron]

Vardhan
The problem here isn't Android ... it's server side, where Mapnik renders the 
tiles.
-Mkel
 
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>
> From: Vardhan Naik 
>To: cartonama-works...@googlegroups.com 
>Cc: "talk-in@openstreetmap.org"  
>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:20 AM
>Subject: Re: Indic rendering
> 
>
>Hi Mikel.
>
>
>I was able to replicate the issue as per sandbox in my machine.
>http://mapnik-utils.googlecode.com/svn/sandbox/indic_fonts/  
>
>
>Googled a  bit and think this is an issue for Android .. though solved in ICS 
>using a open type software 
>called http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HarfBuzz for rendering glyphs.
>
>
>Interesting Links for Android.
>https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_external_webkit/blob/ics/Source/WebCore/platform/graphics/android/FontAndroid.cpp 
>
>http://androidandsandu.blogspot.com/2011/12/how-to-add-indian-languages-to-android.html 
>
>
>
>
>
>Regards
>Vardhan
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Vardhan Naik  wrote:
>
>http://mapnik-utils.googlecode.com/svn/sandbox/indic_fonts/ 
>>
>>
>>one method to test the issue using python. will test and let you know if I 
>>make headway.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>>
>>Vardhan
>>>
>>>
>>>Different issue from CJK characters.
>>>
>>>
>>>"I believe the underlying issue here is that Mapnik is rendering the string 
>>>one character at a time in order to make the characters follow along the 
>>>path. These Indic languages use ligatures where the rendering depends on 
>>>multi-character sequences and can not be correctly rendered one character at 
>>>a time,"
>>>
>>>
>>>https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/issues/112#issuecomment-2365351
>>>
>>>
>>>Mikel
>>> 
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>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Vardhan Naik 
>>>>To: cartonama-works...@googlegroups.com 
>>>>Cc: "talk-in@openstreetmap.org"  
>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:52 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: Indic rendering
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi Mikel,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Am not a Map person.. but found this for chinese. is that we miss the ttf 
>>>>file or so? on the server?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Optional: CJK font fallback support
>>>>Currently, mapnik includes a font to support CJK characters (Chinese, 
>>>>Japanese, Korean, et. al. or more generally East Asia). To add support you 
>>>>need to open the file inc/fontset-settings.xml.inc and uncomment the lines 
>>>>that have "unifont Medium".
>>>>Older mapnik versions did not have unifont included. There you need to:
>>>>1. Download the GNU Unifont Glyphs
>>>>2. Unpack and put the ttf file in your /usr/local/lib/mapnik/fonts (or 
>>>> appropriate path) directory with the other Mapnik fonts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>During the cartonama workshop, we discovered that Mapnik still has issues 
>>>>>with rendering Indic fonts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://tiles.mapbox.com/groundtruth/map/map-busd5lm5
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a known issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/issues/112
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Artem has looked into a bit, but hasn't proceeded that far. Anyone 
>>>>>knowledgeable in handling Indic fonts that might be able to advise?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-Mikel 
>>>>>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Talk-in] Indic rendering

[Mikel Maron]

Vardhan

Different issue from CJK characters.

"I believe the underlying issue here is that Mapnik is rendering the string one 
character at a time in order to make the characters follow along the path. 
These Indic languages use ligatures where the rendering depends on 
multi-character sequences and can not be correctly rendered one character at a 
time,"

https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/issues/112#issuecomment-2365351

Mikel
 
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>
> From: Vardhan Naik 
>To: cartonama-works...@googlegroups.com 
>Cc: "talk-in@openstreetmap.org"  
>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:52 AM
>Subject: Re: Indic rendering
> 
>
>Hi Mikel,
>
>
>Am not a Map person.. but found this for chinese. is that we miss the ttf file 
>or so? on the server?
>
>
>Optional: CJK font fallback support
>Currently, mapnik includes a font to support CJK characters (Chinese, 
>Japanese, Korean, et. al. or more generally East Asia). To add support you 
>need to open the file inc/fontset-settings.xml.inc and uncomment the lines 
>that have "unifont Medium".
>Older mapnik versions did not have unifont included. There you need to:
>   1. Download the GNU Unifont Glyphs
>   2. Unpack and put the ttf file in your /usr/local/lib/mapnik/fonts (or 
> appropriate path) directory with the other Mapnik fonts.
>
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>
>Hi
>>
>>
>>During the cartonama workshop, we discovered that Mapnik still has issues 
>>with rendering Indic fonts.
>>
>>
>>http://tiles.mapbox.com/groundtruth/map/map-busd5lm5
>>
>>
>>
>>It's a known issue.
>>
>>
>>https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/issues/112
>>
>>
>>Artem has looked into a bit, but hasn't proceeded that far. Anyone 
>>knowledgeable in handling Indic fonts that might be able to advise?
>>
>>
>>-Mikel 
>>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
>
>-- 
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[Talk-in] Indic rendering

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

During the cartonama workshop, we discovered that Mapnik still has issues with 
rendering Indic fonts.

http://tiles.mapbox.com/groundtruth/map/map-busd5lm5


It's a known issue.

https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/issues/112


Artem has looked into a bit, but hasn't proceeded that far. Anyone 
knowledgeable in handling Indic fonts that might be able to advise?

-Mikel
 
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[Talk-in] strange ref

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

I just downloaded the Garmin map for India 
from http://mapas.alternativaslibres.es/downloads.php
And at high zoom levels, I saw the label "Google" quite prominently.

Turns out it's this, with key "ref=Google"
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/147249663


This and other suspect edits are by 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pendurthi


Looks like he needs some hints about proper sources to use. Can anyone send a 
note?
At least he labelled these properly!

Mikel

ps The problem globally is there 
too http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=google#values


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[Talk-in] Fw: Fwd: [datameet] Data Camp IS HAPPENING!

[Mikel Maron]

DataCamp. They want OSM participation.

Ironically at Google :). In Bangalore I think.

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- Forwarded Message -
>From: Shekhar Krishnan 
>To: Schuyler Erle ; Mikel Maron  
>Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:40 PM
>Subject: Fwd: [datameet] Data Camp IS HAPPENING!
> 
>
>
> Original Message 
>Subject:     [datameet] Data Camp IS HAPPENING!
>Date:     Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:02:01 +0530
>From:     Nisha Thompson 
>Reply-To:     datam...@googlegroups.com
>To:     datam...@googlegroups.com
>
>
>
>Google has approved our application for having DataCamp at their offices
>and they will also provide food!!!
>
>Thej and I met for a little while yesterday and talked about all the
>things we need to do now.
>
>Date: We propose March 24th Saturday. That should give us enough time.
>
>Proposed Schedule:
>
>8:00- Registration –tea and coffee
>
>9:30am – Opening/Introduction - board populating
>
>10:30am – 11:15am – opening panel – intro to the world of open data
>(main auditorium) – This will be the only planned panel discussion.
>
>12:30 to 1:30 – lunch
>
>1:45 – 2:30 – panel 2 (breakout rooms)
>
>2:45 – 3:30 – panel 3 (breakout rooms)
>
>3:30 to 4 – tea break
>
>4 to 6 – panels and open meeting space -  (main room) (5 min talks)
>(project and question time) (main room)
>
>(break out rooms for more panels)
>
>6:00 to 6:30 – closing
>
>
>To Dos:
>
>
>To dos:
>
>1-Get invites out and to set up Do Attend – actual contacts – I sent out
>a list with orgs and names we need the actual contacts now. Also right
>now we will not charge for early bird and we will see if we can figure
>out how to collect the money we charge for later registrants.
>
>2-Get some sponsors for printouts and potential scholarship money
>
>4-Outreach – datameet, barcamp group, Open Knowledge Foundation,
>Transparency Initiative, India Water Portal, Wikipedians, Open Street
>Map India, Citizen Matters, I Paid a Bribe, Jaaga, Azem PremJ,   - -
>*What other networks are out there? *
>
>5-FLYER, Poster, logo – branding –Open DataCamp – Banglore 2012
>datameet.org <http://datameet.org>
>
>6-Volunteers for the event – registration, to help with the board, 1 to
>15 – pictures, some video, blogging, tweeting, live streaming,
>
>7-Content writing – copy for the site
>
>
>sSAny help on any of these fronts is appreciated and necessary. Thej and
>I will be getting in contact a few of you in the coming few days. We
>would like to have invites out by this week.
>
>
>     Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-- Nisha Thompson
>Mobile: 962-061-2245
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-in] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011

[Mikel Maron]

Cool ... you'll need to formally nominate him, as per the instructions in the 
email.

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From: Sudev Barar 
To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 5:09:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011

On 20 June 2011 05:39, H.S.Rai  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> The OpenStreetMap conference, State of the Map, is offering scholarships.
>> Details below. Note that nominations close on Sunday, June 25th.
>
> Kenneth Gonsalves, creator of OpenStreetMap.org.in should attend
> conference, I nominate him for scholarship.

+1

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[Talk-in] Fw: [OSM-talk] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011

[Mikel Maron]

Hi


The OpenStreetMap conference, State of the Map, is offering scholarships. 
Details below. Note that nominations close on Sunday, June 25th.

We are also fundraising to help more mappers than our current minimum of 8. If 
you'd like to help, get in touch with scholars...@stateofthemap.org

Thanks!
Mikel

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Subject: [OSM-talk] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011


The State of the Map Committee is excited to announce a program to cover full 
travel and accommodations costs for mappers to attend State of the Map 2011 in 
Denver, Colorado (United States). We’re seeking nominations from the community 
for potential mappers.

We are seeking people from places where costs would prohibit attendance, 
developing countries, and places that are “interesting” geopolitically. The 
ideal candidates for funding are from countries with a small OSM community, 
perhaps just a few mappers in total.  They have made a significant start at 
mapping their city, either through imagery or with their own GPS, and are 
directly familiar with the process of OSM. They may have started communicating 
among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the process for their  local 
district. But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and they need the 
inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level.

We need to act fast! State of the Map is just over 3 and a half months away, 
tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time for all 
the 
arrangements, the nomination period will be short, and ending at Sunday, June 
25th. The number  of scholarships rewarded will be based on the success of 
fund-raising. From the nominations received, we’ll review and invite scholars 
in 
late June.

Please send your nominations to scholars...@stateofthemap.org. For each 
nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address, location, 
and a paragraph or two on why they’d be great to have at SOTM. Self nominations 
are accepted.

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Re: [Talk-in] about a story in the sunday mid day, a newspaper in mumbai, india

[Mikel Maron]

Yes, the India talk list is the forum to communicate with the core active 
members of OSM India. I'm forwarded this email to them, and hope that somewhere 
there can step up to help.

-Mikel

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From: Jochen Topf 
To: Sowmya Rajaram 
Cc: mikel_ma...@yahoo.com; t...@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 11:04:10 AM
Subject: Re: about a story in the sunday mid day, a newspaper in mumbai, india

Hi!

More information about OSM in India is here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India
There is also a mailing list here: 
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in .

I am forwarding this email to Mikel Maron who has actually done some OSM
activities in India and might be more able to help with your questions. I am
also sending it to the general community talk mailing list. Maybe somebody
there is from Mumbai and can help you.

Jochen

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:47:23PM +0530, Sowmya Rajaram wrote:
> From: Sowmya Rajaram 
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:47:23 +0530
> Subject: about a story in the sunday mid day, a newspaper in mumbai, india
> To: jochen.t...@geofabrik.de
> 
> Hi
> I write to you as the assistant editor of the Sunday Mid Day, a newspaper
> published in Mumbai, India. I was interested in doing a story on the Open
> Street Map project and saw your email on a presentation on the subject on
> Slidehshare. Please let me know how and when to contact you for more
> information. If you could also give me some contacts for people involved
> with the project in Mumbai and/or India, it would be really useful. I'm
> doing the story this week, so I'd appreciate a quick response. Do let me
> know. Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Sowmya Rajaram
> Sunday Mid Day,
> Mid Day Infomedia Ltd,
> Peninsula Centre,
> Dr SS Rao Road,
> Opposite Mahatma Gandhi Hospital,
> Parel (East),
> Mumbai 400012
> Phone: 67017188

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[Talk-in] Fw: [OSM-talk] SahanaCamp and Workshop - July 2010 - Delhi, India

[Mikel Maron]

 == Mikel Maron ==
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http://mapkibera.org/
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti



- Forwarded Message 
From: Tim McNamara 
To: OSM Talk 
Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 8:10:37 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] SahanaCamp and Workshop - July 2010 - Delhi, India

Hi all,

If there are any OSM members in the sub-continent, I recommend 
this event. Sahana makes heavy use of Open Street Maps, and GIS systems in 
general. It's a 
great framework for developing applications in the humanitarian & 
disaster response domains. I'm sure many of the participants would be 
interested in collaborating.

My best,

Tim McNamara


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From: Michael Howden 
Date: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:20 PM
Subject: [Sahana-user] SahanaCamp and Workshop - July 2010 - Delhi, India
To: sahana-u...@lists.sourceforge.net, Sahana developers' list 
, sahana-e...@googlegroups.com


UPCOMING EVENTS:
-

SahanaCamp
2nd - 5th July 20100
For Programmers and Web Designers who are interested in building Information
Technology Solutions for Disasters and Development

Sahana Workshop "Information Technology Solutions for Disasters and
Development"
3rd July 2010
For people working for NGOs/UN/Government/Other Agencies and others
interested in Information Technology Solutions for Disasters and Development


Location:
Sarai-CSDS
29 Rajpur Road
Civil Lines
Delhi - 110054
India

Cost:
FREE

Applications:
Spaces are limited. Applications close 14th June.

Sahana Workshop:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHkwMEs0QzZmcnQ4YlVHMFR5U1JB%0AZXc6MQ
SahanaCamp (includes Sahana Workshop):
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dG9IcHJ6SlNCWG5COTFfbUVaSExW%0AR1E6MQ


Sahana
---
Sahana is a Free and Open Source Disaster Management System which was
started in Sri Lanka after the 2004 Tsunami. It is a web based collaboration
tool that addresses the common coordination problems during a disaster from
finding missing people, managing aid, managing volunteers, tracking camps
effectively between Government groups, the civil society (NGOs) and the
people affected by disasters.
www.sahanafoundation.org


Details

Sahana Workshop is a one day event which will provide an introduction to how
information technology can be used to assist organisations working in
disasters and development. It will include opportunities to share
experiences and lessons learned with others who have worked in this area.
You'll get hand on experience using the Sahana Eden
(http://eden.sahanafoundation.org/) platform which was deployed in response
to the Earthquake in Haiti and includes SMS and Mapping technologies.
Finally, you'll have the opportunity to share your real world needs for
information technology solutions to provide input for the future development
of Sahana.

SahanaCamp is a four day long intensive event, for programmers and web
designers who are involved or interested in helping organizations working in
Disasters and Development. You will be introduced to programming in Python
on the Sahana Eden Rapid Application Development (RAD) platform. You will be
developing real solutions to meet real needs such as Logistics,
Organisational Management and Mapping or according to your needs. You'll be
working aside members of the core Sahana Eden development team, who will be
there to support and encourage you along. SahanaCamp would be ideal for
programmers and web designers who are developing solution for Disasters and
Development organizations.
Participants are expected to have existing programming or design skills (and
will certainly learn some new ones during the camp!).

Venue
--
Sarai is a programme of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies,
(CSDS)  one of India's leading research institutes with a commitment to
critical and dissenting thought and a focus on critically expanding the
horizons of the discourse on development, particularly with reference to
South Asia. We are a coalition of researchers and practitioners with a
commitment towards developing a model of research-practice that is public
and creative, in which multiple voices express and render themselves in a
variety of forms.
www.sarai.net

For more information, please contact mich...@sahanafoundation.org or visit
http://wiki.sahanafoundation.org/doku.php/community:sahanacamp.

Could you please share this invitation amongst your networks and with other
who may be interested.

Regards

Michael Howden
mich...@sahanafoundation.org


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Re: [Talk-in] Indian Slum Mapping

[Mikel Maron]

> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:


>The ideological assumption of OSM is that open sharing of information is going 
>to strengthen the unrepresented. Yes, in practice, definitely it takes effort 
>to make open data accessible and empowering to all ... that's why a 3 week 
>project in Kibera has grown to a 6+ month project. The empowerment touches on 
>so many issues ... especially economic and educational ... and that's 
>something we're starting to look at. But ultimately, my belief is that
> power is more distributed the more things are out in the open.
> 
> Mikel, is Robert Neuwirth [1][2] still based in Kibera? It'll be interesting 
> to know what he thinks of Map Kibera.

I don't think so, but I'm going to reach out to him. His book is very good, and 
provided one of the core quotes I use to advocate Map Kibera.

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Re: [Talk-in] Indian Slum Mapping

[Mikel Maron]

>
>I'm uncomfortable because this is the sort of tag that takes the map from a 
>geek pursuit to one used to negotiate on the ground. Mikel's been through this 
>with his various conflict zone mapping projects. We haven't had an episode in 
>India yet.
 
 > The ground is the real test for the map and thats what we should work 
 > towards :)
> As far as empowering slum dwellers go, its easier said than done, although i 
> want to do 'something' i really cant figure out what to do without getting 
> into some sort of mess with 
> politicians.

Our initial approach in Kibera was to 1) state that we were only collecting 
what was visible, rather than intangibles of land tenure 2) emphasize that 
locals were the ones collecting the map data, and they had full access to it 
... unlike any other mapping or enumeration 3) clearly state that the data 
collection was not connected to a particular activity (resettlement and 
clearance is a huge issue in Kibera too). With this understanding, pretty much 
99.9% of people were supportive of the effort.

The ideological assumption of OSM is that open sharing of information is going 
to strengthen the unrepresented. Yes, in practice, definitely it takes effort 
to make open data accessible and empowering to all ... that's why a 3 week 
project in Kibera has grown to a 6+ month project. The empowerment touches on 
so many issues ... especially economic and educational ... and that's something 
we're starting to look at. But ultimately, my belief is that power is more 
distributed the more things are out in the open.

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Re: [Talk-in] Indian Slum Mapping

[Mikel Maron]

We don't have permission to legally use Google Earth imagery in that way ... 
unfortunately

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From: Kiran Jonnalagadda 
To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 9:59:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Indian Slum Mapping


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:

Looks like some folks are simply going into Google Maps to trace their slum 
boundaries http://blog.sdinet.co.za/?p=78

GPS Babel will convert from KML to GPX, so one could trace in Google Earth and 
then re-trace in JOSM. *bling!* *lightbulb*

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Re: [Talk-in] Indian Slum Mapping

[Mikel Maron]

Looks like some folks are simply going into Google Maps to trace their slum 
boundaries http://blog.sdinet.co.za/?p=78

 
Anyone interested to approach these folks?

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Re: [Talk-in] Indian Slum Mapping

[Mikel Maron]

> IMHO, this needs much more ground work for surveying these areas than
> simply drawing them on the map while sitting at home. But yes, the
> maps that we prepare can serve as a good base for survey agencies.
> 
> We need to identify what all amenities or POIs need to be mapped in
> addition to boundaries, lanes, public water taps/handpumps etc. that
> will be helpful to the government in executing this project.

Nishant, I very much agree with your assessment.

There's some documentation on what we encountered when mapping in Kibera

http://brainoff.com/weblog/2010/01/12/1513

A compilation of all tags...
http://files.maps.jsintl.org/tags.html

Our approach, and I think the OSM approach generally, is to find out from 
mappers themselves
what they think is important. So in Kibera, we left this in their hands. I 
think the same approach
in India could prove very fruitful, and give the government a very clear view 
on what the community
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[Talk-in] Indian Slum Mapping

[Mikel Maron]

Anyone know more about this? 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/For-accurate-data-govt-plans-to-map-slums/articleshow/5574451.cms

 
Sounds like they are only planning to use remote sensing techniques to identify 
slum areas. On the ground OSM work would be ideal complement. And that imagery 
... imagine what else we could use it for!

Any links here welcome, we have a long term view to look at Map Kibera like 
projects in India.

-Mikel

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Re: [Talk-in] mapping party as an event

[Mikel Maron]

From: Kenneth Gonsalves 

> 
> > On Saturday 07 Nov 2009 9:01:11 pm H.S.Rai wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Naveen Francis  wrote:
> > > OSM in use
> > > http://www.itmission.kerala.gov.in/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=
> > >wrapper&Itemid=164
> > 
> > How you can say it is OSM?
> > 
> 
> it is not osm - osm does not have yellow roads

It could've been a different rendering of OSM data. The styling alone isn't 
sufficient.

Checking the data in OSM against this source, it's pretty clear it's a 
different data set. 
In the cities, it seems less comprehensive, but in the countryside it's more 
complete.
I wonder if anyone in Trivandrum would be able to comment on the reusability of 
the data. We did throw a mapping party there in 2007.

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[Talk-in] 'Maps for Making Change' in India

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

Noticed this today .. "'Maps for Making Change' - Using Geographical Mapping 
Techniques to Support Struggles for Social Justice in India", organized by our 
friends at CIS and Tactical Tech.


 
http://www.cis-india.org/advocacy/others/call-for-applications-maps-for-making-change-using-geographical-mapping-techniques-to-support-struggles-for-social-justice-in-india

Any of you directly or tangentially involved? Any opportunity for OSM to 
participate, as part of the training?

Cheers
Mikel

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Re: [Talk-in] congratulations

[Mikel Maron]

:)!!!

Thanks very much. Yes, OSM India is close to my heart. In all seriousness, let 
me know what the OSMF can do for OSM India over this next year.




From: Kenneth Gonsalves 
To: "Talk-in@openstreetmap.org" 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:11:19 AM
Subject: [Talk-in] congratulations

congratulations to Mikel on his election to the OSMF board. Although it is 
mentioned that he is an American, we all know that at heart he is one of us 
and will represent our interests.

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Re: [Talk-in] setting up mapnik on lenny

[Mikel Maron]

fwiw, I'm finding it pretty straightforward to install 
mapnik+osm2pgsql+mod_tile on the latest versions of Ubuntu and Debian. Let me 
know you get stuck on anything.





From: Kenneth Gonsalves 
To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:54:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-in] setting up mapnik on lenny

On Thursday 20 Aug 2009 7:49:58 am H.S.Rai wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > I know I said that I would not wish this task on my worst enemy, but
> > since this is one of the few lists where my friends outnumber my enemies,
> > I am putting some of my experiences in installing an OSM mapnik server on
> > lenny.
>
> Thanks for sparing time to write this email.
>
> > I am now going to try it on FC 11
>
> Treating yourself as enemy of yourself ;-)

I do not want to do it, but to test out mapnik customisation I need a local 
install - with several caches between me and the server, It takes ages to 
debug errors.
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[Talk-in] Who's Maps Serve India the Best

[Mikel Maron]

All

Congrats on the ongoing great media coverage!

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/column-whose-maps-serve-india-the-best/499382/2

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[Talk-in] LiveMint article

[Mikel Maron]

Many of you have probably already seen this

http://www.livemint.com/articles/2009/08/03202321/Want-to-map-your-hometown-Thr.html

Congrats on the great coverage. More awesome stuff to come soon too, I'm sure 
.. what's happening?

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[Talk-in] Fw: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships

[Mikel Maron]

The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover full 
travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of the Map. We're 
seeking nominations from the community for potential mappers.

Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would prohibit 
attendance, developing countries, and places that are "interesting" 
geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are from countries with a 
small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers in total. They have made a 
significant start at mapping their city, either through Yahoo imagery or with 
their own GPS, and are directly familiar with the process of OSM. They may have 
started communicating among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the 
process for their local district. But, the community is nowhere near critical 
mass, and they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level.

We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two months away, tickets and 
visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time for all the 
arrangements, the nomination period will be short, one week only, ending next 
Wednesday, May 13. From the nominations received, we'll review the list and 
choose 15 mappers to approach with the offer. Depending on their availability 
to attend, we'll work our way through the list. We only recently secured 
funding for this program, so the process has to be quick. 

Please send your nominations to sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each 
nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address, location, 
and a paragraph or two on why they'd be great to have at SOTM. 

And also, please forward this message to other relevant local OSM lists.

As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but 
nominations are not limited to these places at all. 

* Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania.
* Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is particularly interesting, as 
the ban on GPS units there was recently lifted.
* South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries have seen significant 
activities, relative to size and population they are in the very early stages.
* Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
* South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising leads in government for the 
release of data for use in OSM.
* East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right now (Ushahidi, AgCommons, 
MapMaker..)

Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping make this happen.

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Re: [Talk-in] Names of cities in some local language

[Mikel Maron]

> Oh ok! But its funny. People are arbitrarily giving hindi names to

> places where hindi is not even the local language!

Not brilliant but .. It is a wiki!
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Re: [Talk-in] Names of cities in some local language

[Mikel Maron]

> From: Kiran Jonnalagadda 
> 

> At present there's no user setting to change this .. it's only changeable in 
> the database.
> As said previous, if someone is interested, I can sketch out some of the 
> technical work needed to implement this.

>
> I just edited it using Potlatch, so now it has the English name. Not sure I 
> understand what you mean. Do you mean an API for choosing from the localised 
> names for the default display?

A user facing feature .. I meant that the map viewer could show tiles in the 
language of your choice, if names in that language were present in the database.

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Re: [Talk-in] Names of cities in some local language

[Mikel Maron]

Tanveer,



> Look here
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.239&lon=77.713&zoom=10&layers=B000FTF
> I see only Indian name in hindi, but I want to see english names only.
> Is there a setting or something I can do so that I do not see local
> language names?

That node has a Hindi name as it's default name

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/245774579


At present there's no user setting to change this .. it's only changeable in 
the database.
As said previous, if someone is interested, I can sketch out some of the 
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Re: [Talk-in] Names of cities in some local language

[Mikel Maron]

Tanveer,

Can you give an example place where you see this behavior?

I suspect that two different objects are being rendered. Mapnik currently 
renders whatever is in the default "name" tag, rather than "name:en" or 
"name:hi".
Ideally, the labels would be localised per user. Requires a good deal of work 
.. a nice meaty project! I can sketch out some of the ideas around this if 
anyone is interested.


I know there's been discussion and some action around a local OSM India server. 
This would give full control, and it could be possible to render an English 
only tile set, a Hindu only tile set, etc.

-Mikel




From: Tanveer Singh 
To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:35:21 PM
Subject: [Talk-in] Names of cities in some local language

Hi,
I saw that in OSM the names of cities at lower zoom levels appear in
some local language(I think its hindi). Only on zooming in english
name is visible. Is there a way to turn of this stuff and see only
English names. Infact non hindi areas also show up in hindi. Some
language nazi at work here?
Tanveer

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Re: [Talk-in] Mumbai

[Mikel Maron]

Shekhar, Pradeep, All

There's long been a need for a re-usable Shapefile to OSM conversion tool. 
There are loads of one-off tools, and scraps of scripts peppered around the OSM 
wiki, lists, and svn. Nothing really does the job effectively more than once.

Schuyler and I quickly designed a tool last year, from 1 ft. The suggestion 
was to use ruby and libosm, but python or other language could work. Still 
think this is a useful approach, though of course, there's devil in the 
details. The need was, and (way overdue) continues to be, the import of FreeMap 
Mumbai data into OpenStreetMap.

So there's a real opportunity to come together and collaborate. There's a real 
motivator.. the Mumbai import. Anyone care to lead the charge?

Mikel






From: Shekhar Krishnan 
To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
Cc: Schuyler Erle ; Tim Waters (chippy) 

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:24:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Mumbai

Pradeep, if it is a shp2osm tool you are working on, I look forward to 
hearing more. :)

See below for a description of OSM Extract-Transform-Load framework 
originally written by Schuyler Erle and Mikel Maron in Feb 2008.

Under the freemap project, we have resources to support anyone in India 
who wants to work on developing these tools for shp2osm and much more.

If anyone has links or suggestions for more temporary hacks, please let 
me know.


S.K.
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OpenStreetMap Extract-Transform-Load Tools

The current state of the art in the OSM community with regard to mass 
import of external datasets is extremely fragmented, typically demanding 
intensive custom scripting tailored to each individual data set. To 
facilitate the inclusion of further datasets, and to extend the state of 
the art in OSM mass import techniques, we would like to develop a 
generic Extract-Transform-Load framework for OSM (OSMETL) using the 
Python programming language.

The “OSMETL” framework will be developed approximately as follows:

Data Extraction: A class or set of classes for reading GIS data in a 
variety of formats will be created, using the Python OGR bindings from 
the GDAL project, a Free and Open library from OSGeo previously built 
for reading and writing standard GIS data formats.

Topology Creation: In the standard case where line strings will be read 
from a data set, a quadtree index of the line strings will be built, and 
then the intersections will be computed, to generate a topology from the 
original line geometries.

Attribute Mapping: A simple application-specific mapping language will 
be defined whereby combinations of attribute column and values in the 
original dataset are mapped to OSM key/value tags. The framework will 
employ a user-specified definition written in this language to generate 
a set of key/value tags for each node and line segment in the derived 
topology. If necessary, the framework will permit the use of a 
user-supplied Python module defining callbacks for computing tag values 
from a set of original attributes.

Reduction: For each set of lines and/or nodes sharing a common set of 
tags produced by the previous step, the framework will generate a 
description of an OSM “way” consisting of the constituent lines, nodes, 
and associated tags.

Export: Finally, the framework will output an OSM XML file, describing 
the ways and nodes generated by the previous steps. It will then be 
possible to load this output file into JOSM, resolve any conflicts with 
the existing OSM database, and then upload the result.

The framework will be designed in an object-oriented fashion, to make it 
possible to replace any of the steps of this process with custom code as 
needed. This work will form not only the basis of subsequent data 
imports performed on shape files, but will also be a very substantial 
contribution to the OpenStreetMap project at large, thus providing an 
opportunity to build links with the wider open mapping community.

Pradeep B V wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Shekhar Krishnan  <mailto:shek...@crit.org.in>> wrote:
> 
> Like I've said on the list before, I'm waiting for someone to help with
> converting these shapefiles into OSM.
> 
> 
> I have been working on this thing, will update once I am able to make 
> some progress.
> 
> - P
> 
> 
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[Talk-in] bangalore meet up gigapan

[Mikel Maron]

Hey all

Thanks for the good time here on Monday. Hope it was useful. Sorry if jetlag 
got the best of me!

And we have the stitch of the gigapan from the Glass House..

http://gigapan.org/viewGigapan.php?id=17337

Cheers!
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Re: [Talk-in] February trip

[Mikel Maron]

> but I will be there -even if I have to ask the local paanwala. Can you give 
> me the deadtree address please.

Servelots Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
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Re: [Talk-in] February trip

[Mikel Maron]

Dinesh has offered the use of Servelots offices on Monday afternoon/evening .. 
http://servelots.com/




From: Kenneth Gonsalves 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:32:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Talk-in] February trip

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 12:38:41 Shajeer Mohammed wrote:
> Any suggestions on a meetup place in Bangalore?

no time for suggestions ;-) someone in Bangalore just go ahead and fix 
something
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Re: [Talk-in] February trip

[Mikel Maron]

I wish I could make it to Chennai, but time is short





From: Kenneth Gonsalves 
To: Mikel Maron ; talk-in@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 11:32:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-in] February trip

On Friday 06 Feb 2009 7:22:06 pm Mikel Maron wrote:
> A meetup or mapping party before Info-Activism in Bangalore looks possible

I could make it to Bangalore for a day between 15-18 if something definite is 
fixed up. But it needs to be fixed immediately as I have to alter my travel 
plans - or you could drop in to the best mapped city in India ;-)

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Re: [Talk-in] February trip

[Mikel Maron]

The 16th works for me!





From: tb dinesh 
To: Pradeep B V ; Mikel Maron 
Cc: talk-in@openstreetmap.org; Shekhar Krishnan ; Rohan Kini 

Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 3:48:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Talk-in] February trip

Pradeep, Mikel..

can we plan 16th with Mikel and all - as I will be busy with Shepherds
meeting 17th to 19th. I would like to bring in atleast 2 workout ideas
for that day. will write more about it Monday or so.

d

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Pradeep B V  wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>>
>> My schedule so far...
>>
>> Feb 15th .. arrive in Bangalore
>> 19th-25th .. Info-Activism in Bangalore
>>
>> A meetup or mapping party before Info-Activism in Bangalore looks
>> possible.
>
> Awesome.
> Some things that are on top of my mind now...
> 1. Mapping party
> 2. Plan for the India specific OSM server thats being discussed on this
> list.
> 3. Feature localization- there have been tons of discussion on what tags to
> use where and can we have India specific tags?
> 4. OSM India chapter related discussions
> 5. Can we do bulk import of GPS tracks of BMTC buses into OSM.
> 6. Plan for a cycle map.
> - P
> PS: If anybody wants to come in from out of Bangalore I can host you at my
> home for a couple of days
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[Talk-in] February trip

[Mikel Maron]

Hi!

I'm going to be in India in about a week to attend Info-Activism camp 
http://www.informationactivism.org/

It would be great to catch up, do some hacking, planning and maybe schedule 
some OSM event(s)

My schedule so far...

Feb 15th .. arrive in Bangalore
19th-25th .. Info-Activism in Bangalore
25th-1st .. Retreat outside Pune
1st -5th .. Pune? Mumbai?
March 5th .. depart Mumbai

A meetup or mapping party before Info-Activism in Bangalore looks possible. 
Maybe something in Mumbai at the end.

Let me know what seems good. Looking forward to it!!!

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Re: [Talk-in] OSM Local Chapters are coming. Looking for feedback.

[Mikel Maron]

> This has gone way off track - my question now is: if we are to start a 
> chapter 

> here, what is the procedure? How are members defined?

Just to be clear, the Foundation leaves it to the local chapter to answer these 
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Re: [Talk-in] OSM Local Chapters are coming. Looking for feedback.

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> > Two GPS surveyors have recently been arrested by Gujarat Police:
> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Ahmedabad/GPS_surveyors_booked_under_OSA_/articleshow/3831158.cms
>
> > So I suggest that we be careful  on where how the GPS device is used and
> > also work to see if we can get the government agencies recognize OSM ..
> >
> 
> That will be great :-)
> 
> Btw, does govt. have some kind of guideline/document online, regarding
> what all places to be kept out of the mapping in India, or so when to
> switch off the gps units?? Because in here suppose one photomaps a
> railway station (from a moving train & especially long-distance
> express trains doesn't stop at all stations) without any proper
> 'restiction/warning hoarding' in place, and later end up knowing its'
> a strategic location.

It's not clear if these mappers were exercising a bit of bad judgement, or if 
the government severely overstepped their authority. Probably both.

Rightly you point out the absurdity of the situation and these secret laws. You 
don't know if you're violating the law until you do. There's not even an 
opportunity to question the law itself. Absurd!

Judging just by this article, what these mappers were doing sounds legitimate, 
if a bit stupid. It wouldn't surprise me if they were harassed a bit by the 
authorities while surveying, but prosecution by the ATS! So a police force also 
hands down judicial rulings .. quite dangerous.

I'm not sure if local chapters would help in this situation or not. And I'm not 
sure asking for permission would help either. OSM would never have arrived 
where it is today if it had waited for permission .. but there's still a bit of 
civil protection in the UK (just a bit) and we certainly don't want arrests.

We certainly need more clarity about the rules here, to make a proper judgement.

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[Talk-in] OSMMapper images of India

[Mikel Maron]

OSM Mapper is a neat visualization tool for OSM data.

http://www.itoworld.com/static/osmmapper
They just published a couple sample images on flickr, showing recent editing in 
India.

I have just created an image for the last month of edits in India to see which 
areas are buzzing at the moment:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterito/3103608544/

And also this image shows who has been mapping where (clearly you have been 
busy!):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterito/3103615854/

Worth exploring!

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[Talk-in] OSM Local Chapters are coming. Looking for feedback.

[Mikel Maron]

Greetings. 

The OpenStreetMap Foundation is currently drawing up an agreement to set up 
local OSMF chapters. There has been call in several countries for official 
status, to represent OSMF to government and business in that particular 
locality. Local chapters would be expected to organize membership (though not 
exclusively all membership in a country) and generally promote OSM locally. 
More info is on Nick's blog.

http://www.blacksworld.net/blog/2008/12/11/osm-f-update-local-chapters-are-coming/

I'm looking for general feedback on the proposal. There's no expectation at 
this time that India or any other place will start a chapter (though it would 
be great). But in the future, we want to insure that the terms of the agreement 
and general idea are good frameworks.

Best
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Re: [Talk-in] OSM in Mumbai Wikipedia Coverage

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> unfortunately the OSM data for this area is still b0rked


What can we do? There's been some editing in Coloba recently, adding places 
involved in the attack. With the attention right now, we certainly harvest some 
work and could get Coloba sorted out in short order. The Yahoo imagery could 
help as a first pass. Seem like a good idea? Any thoughts on how to proceed?

-Mikel
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[Talk-in] OSM in Mumbai Wikipedia Coverage

[Mikel Maron]

Wikipedia is using OpenStreetMap for Mumbai, to illustrate the locations of the 
attacks last week.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2008_Mumbai_attacks

Despite the tragedies, I firmly believe that open access to knowledge 
ultimately makes the world safer and better. OSM is a key part of  
understanding and illuminating the world.

I hope all of you, and and your friends, families and colleagues are safe and 
well.

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Re: [Talk-in] SOTMI

[Mikel Maron]

I'd unfortunately have to miss, due to be in Cuba and NYC for conferences that 
week.
Later in the month is better personally .. but then again, at this point my 
presence in India then is waiting on further developments anyway.




From: Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:11:14 AM
Subject: [Talk-in] SOTMI

hi,

looking at events scheduled in february, I find 6,7 and 8th feb 2009 is the 
only free weekend. Can we have the conference then? Since it is the first, we 
do not need to worry about numbers. If Ooty is too far for most of the 
participants we can contemplate having it in some more central location.
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Re: [Talk-in] SOTMI

[Mikel Maron]

Oh that would be great! There's a chance I'll be in India then, would love to 
participate.





From: Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 12:38:27 PM
Subject: [Talk-in] SOTMI

hi,
looks like we have a fair number of warm bodies all over India - how about 
SOTMI-2009? State Of The Map in India. I can offer Ooty as the venue - great 
place for mapping, trekking, cycling, fishing, golfing ... we could have it 
some time in the first quarter of 2009. (My idea is that if we can build up a 
community, we may be in the position to host SOTM in maybe 2010 or 2011.

given the numbers, sponsors would not be difficult to find.
-- 
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Re: [Talk-in] Routing

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One of the interesting unique things about routing in India is going to be 
reliance on landmark navigation rather than simply roads.
In fact, this is how humans give directions most of the time, all over the 
world, so any research on incorporating POI into directions is going to be 
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Re: [Talk-in] Server for map in Indian languages

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Great stuff!

So first thing to note is that placenames for the main mapnik rendering on 
www.openstreetmap.org are off the "name" key. "name" can be English, Hindi, or 
the local state name. It's up for you all to decide. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
rendering works in the same fashion; it's distributed to clients that 
participate, and so results in a quicker rendering in days rather than a week. 
But essentially it also works off of name.

If in either mapnik or [EMAIL PROTECTED], Indic character rendering has any 
issue, we should work on that specifically. Are there issues? Definitely 
possible to get support from the main developers of these tools on this.

Longer term, we want to see tiles localized on the main site. Arindam has 
localised the rails framework, which means the application itself can be 
translated, and displayed in a users local language. There are open questions 
on tile localisation .. is it a completely different set of tiles? or are 
labels rasterized seperately from geometries? and combined by the tile server 
or by OpenLayers on the client side? This will take time to sort out and 
something we should look into too.


In any case, I definitely encourage the set up of a local tile server for 
India. Generally, OSM wants to see more mapnik instances out there, to take 
burden off the main tile server. It's also crucial to address bandwidth issues 
with India .. a local server will simply load faster. And importantly, to 
increase the number of people knowledgable about these tools.

tiles.openstreetmap.org is just one machine. Inquire on the dev list for specs, 
but it's nothing outrageous. Setting up mapnik, and import and synchronization 
is becoming a more well worn path. I've set this up a couple times already, and 
am happy to support any effort to do so.

For an example of this, check out Freemap Slovakia, which is based entirely on 
OSM, but with local rendering.
http://www.freemap.sk/

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Re: [Talk-in] Open Street Map Drive | Hyderabad | India

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

Feel free to add the event to the Current Events page on the wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Current_events

Mikel





From: srikrishna das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:16:21 PM
Subject: [Talk-in] Open Street Map Drive | Hyderabad | India

Hi all,

We are planning an Open Street Map drive for hyderabad (India) at next 
ilughyd/mukt.in weekend meet(Nov 1). 
This is an effort to mark Hyderabad(and/ or twincities) on OSM.

People who have worked with/have experience in OSM with GPS device are
requested to help others.

Please add your names to this thread.

Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-in] OSM gets coverage in Chennai

[Mikel Maron]

Awesome! Anything online, or scans?



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Chennai Chronicle did a cover story on OSM on 20 October. Will be featuring in 
the New Indian Express shortly in the tech coloumn.

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Re: [Talk-in] Time for consensus

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> Like others said, it is impractical to keep the roads constantly updated 
> based on road condition. I would like to bring up another point. If you mark 
> a portion of a national highway a territiary road, 
> the software (Mikel correct me if am wrong) will break the highway at the at 
> high level zoom of the map. We should make the national highways to display 
> uniformly across the country. Agree with 
> PlaneMad, road conditions can be an overlay (similar to kayak maps and bikers 
> maps), and not be part of the base map. 
 Yes, road classification do appear at different zoom levels .. tertiary would 
appear at a lower zoom than primary.

It appears to me, at least, this discussion is about how things are rendered on 
the map, rather than how they should be tagged. The tags for road 
classification, number of lanes, under construction, etc, are all reasonably 
defined on the map features page. The debate is possibly over whether the 
mapnik rendering reflects the reality of all these tags together, and the 
answer seems no. Rendering is primarily about the road classification, which in 
India (and elsewhere) may not correspond to its travel worthiness. 

If that's the case, I'd suggest we come up with some recommendations for the 
main map styling, and submit them to the dev list. There's actually an active 
discussion right now on styling on the lists, the main map styling was changed 
just yesterday.

At least that's how I see it!

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Re: [Talk-in] Time for consensus

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>
> another big problem is places - city, town, village and hamlet do not cover 
> the towns we have here.
>
> in tamilnadu we have:
> municipal corporation
> municpality
> town panchayat
> three more grades of panchayats and then a whole number of grades of villages

No problem .. the tagging system is designed (or undesigned) as it is. No 
single system is going to account for all the variation in the world.

Take a look at what's already present, for places, and if it can't be made to 
fit, propose an extension or a new tag.

Mikel

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Re: [Talk-in] Time for consensus

[Mikel Maron]

If I may interject a couple thoughts into this really interesting discussion .. 
interesting because in most places of active OSM contributions, 
there's a clear correspondence between road classification and road size.


Any number of tags can be applied to a road. So no need to decide between 
highway or lanes .. ideal to use both.

The highway=primary/secondary/tertiary classification scheme doesn't refer to 
the size of the road, or its passibility, but to its classification.
If a road links two major cities, it's primary, despite it's size.

Tags like "lanes" and "width" can describe those characteristics.

highway=construction and construction=*, will indicate that a road is under 
repair. Better to use that than "tertiary".



Also important to mention that ultimately, tags are suggestions. Sure there's 
conformity encouraged by what mapnik will render. 
But you're free to do your own rendering and add any tags you like.

India is a big country .. the biggest single nation actively mapped in OSM! So 
I wouldn't be surprised at all if different schemes are used in different 
states.
The possibility for harmonization at a later date is real .. this is a wiki, 
and major roads should be particularly easy to update. 
In other words, don't let disagreement stop anything!

Mikel



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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:32:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Time for consensus

On Tuesday 14 October 2008 12:54:30 pm Shajeer Mohammed wrote:
> On  first look the user will be able to identify that a particular road is
> an NH. An NH could be single lane, however when sees an NH it also means it
> connects important cities and are there are remote chances that you would
> get lost on a NH.  If the number of lanes are the criteria that would
> identify the condition of a road, I disagree. There are quite a few single
> lane roads which are extremely good (Coimbatore-Palakkad) and there are
> highways which are 4 laned but maintained in bad shape.

that is the difference between osm and other people - we show the road in the 
state it is. I tagged mangalore-bcr which is a national highway, as tertiary, 
because it is under repair and not motorable. Do not forget - do not map 
anything that you have not seen.

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Re: [Talk-in] Coastline changes at different zoom with yahoo map

[Mikel Maron]

There's possibly inaccuracies  in the original coastlines. 
I'd suggest reading about how coastlines are handled 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Coastline)
and then making an inquiry to the main [EMAIL PROTECTED] list.

-Mikel



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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:50:03 PM
Subject: [Talk-in] Coastline changes at different zoom with yahoo map

I haven noticed the same coastline when compared at different zoom levels 
are having an offset when compared to the yahoo satellite maps.


http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=11.85657&lon=75.35504&zoom=15 - 
Modified coastline which shows the city roads and coastlines aligned
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=11.85657&lon=75.35504&zoom=13- Orginal 
PSG coastline my changes are shown with an offeset

Has anyone else noticed this? Or am I doing something wrong here?


Regards
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Re: [Talk-in] INCA 2008: International Congress on Collaborative Mapping & Space Technology at Gandhinagar, Gujarat during Nov 4-6, 2008

[Mikel Maron]

Hello Dr. Nandakumar

I'm pleased to see this topic as a subject of a conference in India. I hope you 
receive some participation from the OpenStreetMap community in India. 

My plans are not set for November, and not much chance I can make it to India 
then .. but just in case things come together, I hope I can participate.


Mikel


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Re: [Talk-in] tagging roads in India

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

You might be right here .. the classifications used in the UK/Europe may not 
consistently correspond to actual road conditions in India.
And in practice, these road classifications aren't strictly applied elsewhere 
.. sometimes it's a matter of judgement.

There is also a tag "lanes", to record the number of lanes.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:lanes


-Mikel


- Original Message 
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2008 10:31:10 PM
Subject: [Talk-in] tagging roads in India

hi,

I have made a comment at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tagging_Roads_in_India#Comment

your reactions?


-- 
regards

Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/





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