[OSM-talk-fr] Café #OSM à #Tours 6/12/2017 19h Oxford Pub

[Cyrille37 OSM]

Salut,

Prochain café #OSM  à #Tours 
 ce mercredi 6 Décembre à 19h au pub 
l’Oxford 38 rue Jules Charpentier .


On y parlera sans doute de https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/ qui permet de 
faire des cartes thématiques.


À demain :-)
Cyrille37.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Obtenir toutes les voies d'une commune

[Maël REBOUX]

C’est tout-à-fait ça ! Merci.

Et ça marche aussi pour les noms en breton.

[out:xml][timeout:300];
// fetch area  to search in
{{geocodeArea:Gwengamp}}->.searchArea;
(
  way[highway](area.searchArea);
);
// print results
out;>;out skel;


> Le 4 déc. 2017 à 23:21, Christian Quest  a écrit :
> 
> Exemple: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tyN 
> 
> Le 4 décembre 2017 à 23:08, Maël REBOUX  > a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> J’ai besoin de récupérer toutes les voies (highway=*) d’une commune.
> 
> Je pense partir sur une requête OverPass API mais du coup ce qui me bloque 
> c’est la « relation » d’appartenance à une commune.
> Intuitivement je pense qu’il faut utiliser une relation mais laquelle ?
> 
> Merci d’avance pour votre aide.
> 
> Maël
> 
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa street names

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi John,

Attached is the note from the City of Ottawa with the name change.  It 
is "Épinettes Avenue" in English since 2014.


*City of Ottawa Official Format*



*English*



*French*

avenue des Épinettes Avenue



Épinettes Avenue



avenue des Épinettes

promenade des Mésanges Drive



Mésanges Drive



promenade des Mésanges

chemin de Montréal Road



Montréal Road



chemin de Montréal

boulevard d’Orléans Boulevard



Orléans Boulevard



boulevard d’Orléans

promenade de la Place-d’Orléans Drive



Place-d’Orléans Drive



promenade de la Place-d’Orléans

Matthew Darwin
matt...@mdarwin.ca
http://www.mdarwin.ca

On 2017-12-04 06:57 AM, James wrote:

DES EPINETTES AVE
is english. Des Epinettes Avenue. French is avenue Des Epinettes.

Dont look hard for an Explaination why they keep the french article, 
we are talking about a city that has Forest instead of Fôrest. 
There's also Des Aubépines that keeps the é.


On Dec 4, 2017 6:49 AM, "john whelan" > wrote:


There seems to be some confusion over the English version and
French versions of the street names.

Canada Post recognises 375 DES EPINETTES AVE ORLEANS ON   K1E
3E6 as an English address.

Until very recently this would also be the address in
OpenStreetMap and used by the city.

There is a by-law that says what the differences are.

Has something changed recently?

Many thanks John

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Streak: edit the map every day

[Stefan Keller]

2017-12-03 23:31 GMT+01:00 James :
> Good idea, is it normal you get a
> "Error connecting to OSM API"?

+1 but I'm getting this error too.

:Stefan

2017-12-03 23:31 GMT+01:00 James :
> Good idea, is it normal you get a
> "Error connecting to OSM API"?
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2017 5:22 PM, "Ilya Zverev"  wrote:
>>
>> Wow, that is an awesome project! I envy you students for having such
>> unusual OSM activities :) And thanks to you, now I know about the backrest=*
>> tag. Everyone here could benefit from it.
>>
>> Can you write a blog post about the PoliMappers' Adventures? Maybe it
>> could get published on blog.osm.org — CWG would decide that.
>>
>> Also, I'd format the wiki page to have the current quest in big letters at
>> the top, maybe with a picture. That way people returning to it won't have to
>> scroll down to find the next quest. You don't need any software for this
>> adventure.
>>
>> The OSM Streak project is a bit different: it is automatic, and it doesn't
>> make you learn much. The goal was to have a five-minute task for a day, so
>> you don't have to plan your mapping. Just start an editor, click around for
>> a minute, upload. Otherwise you'd get tired after a month or two.
>>
>> The source code is published on github:
>> https://github.com/Zverik/osmstreak
>>
>> Ilya
>>
>> 04.12.2017 00:46, Michał Brzozowski пишет:
>>>
>>> Incidentally, that's what I envisioned, as well as did Polimappers [1].
>>> Great minds think alike - all in a short period ;) But unlike me you
>>> actually delivered, with software to support it.
>>>
>>> I planned to have 30 or more challenges in some succession, not limited
>>> to mapping, but also showing the OSM ecosystem (like mapper communication,
>>> notes/change inspection/QA). So basically creating a competent mapper with
>>> "learning by doing".
>>>
>>> Is the source available somewhere?
>>>
>>> Michał
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/PoliMappers/Adventures
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Ilya Zverev >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am Ilya and I have been uploading changesets 15 days in a row. Not
>>> because I'm so into it or somebody makes me: I've made a tool that
>>> reminds me to do it. In a year I expect my HDYC activity chart to be
>>> completely filled. And you can have the same too.
>>>
>>> Introducing OSM Streak: a website that gives you points for
>>> submitting changesets each day:
>>>
>>> http://streak.osmz.ru/
>>>
>>> You get 1 point for the first changeset, and then you get more: for
>>> example, I will receive 4 points for my next changeset tomorrow. And
>>> that is not all: it gives you a random task each day, so you don't
>>> stare at the map trying to come up with an idea. For completing a
>>> task, you get an extra point. And when you map many days in a row,
>>> you gain levels, which open more tasks.
>>>
>>> Forgetting to visit a website is expectable, so OSM Streak is also a
>>> Telegram bot (find the link on the "Connect" page). With the bot,
>>> you can forget about the website: it accepts changesets and sends
>>> you tasks every day. Alternatively, you can subscribe to e-mail
>>> notifications, which will be sent on 1:00 UTC.
>>>
>>> All the tasks and the website and the bot can (and should!) be
>>> translated into your language. We have English and Russian, and I
>>> would be very grateful for more translations:
>>>
>>> https://www.transifex.com/openstreetmap/osm-streak/
>>> 
>>>
>>> Have a truly mappy new year,
>>> Ilya
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Re: [Talk-us] Pokémon Go no officially using OpenStreetMap

[Alan Richards]

As a Pokemon Go player myself, everything I'm hearing in the community this
time around has been a lot more positive, with people suggesting to update
their local neighborhoods with the correct information. I'm not seeing the
same level of fake lakes and parks. Now this may just be the groups that I
get my info from, but I'm hopeful this might bring in some good and useful
updates, and maybe some long-term mappers.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Toby Murray  wrote:

> On the flip side, this seems to be driving a second wave of pokemon
> players coming to OSM and mapping parks over their homes, changing
> things to footways and such nonsense. It is also driving beneficial
> edits though. Hopefully the helpful users will stick around longer
> than the trolls. Just keep an eye out for random parks appearing on
> the map for a while.
>
> Toby
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Bill Ricker  wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
> >> I'm not sure how many active OSM contributors also play Pokémon Go, but
> the
> >> game is now officially using OSM for the basemap that players see in the
> >> game (previously was using Google Maps data for the base map).  The
> in-game
> >> about screen has text in the bottom of the License section correctly
> >> attributing OSM.
> >
> >
> > Thank you for sharing this.
> >
> > I was guessing so, when my daughter said a couple of the walking paths
> > in our neighborhood had shown up in the game. ( I haven't added them
> > to GoogleMaps so was pretty sure what map it was :-).)
> >
> > Glad to hear it's properly attributed.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation du tag 'name' avec les langues régionales

[Philippe Verdy]

On n'a toujours pas de serveur de tuiles vectorielles pour donner les noms
? Ce serait nettement plus pratique en n'ayant qu'à fabriquer les tuiles
bitmaps pour les fonds de couleurs, les traits... (resterait cependant le
problème du placement des libellés traduits : ce serveur de tuiles ne
donnant que les noms devraient pouvoir indiquer des priorités de placement
(calculé à partir de critères d'importance). Mais le rendu final côté
client devrait cependant tenir compte de la résolution effective du client
(pour tailler les polices convenablement et lisiblement, puis ensuite
déterminer leur taille, faire le découpage multiligne et les césures
éventuelles, calculer une bounding-box et une marge suffisante
d'occupation, pour ensuite arbitrer les libellés qui peuvent tenir à
l'écran : le serveur de tuiles vectorielles devrait indiquer un point
central de référence et une bounding box maximale permettant de décaler le
libellé pour qu'ua moins 50% de sa taille de rendu soit dans la
bounding-box, ce qui permet de les bouger un peu et faire de la place).

Mais autre problème: les libellés ne sont pas toujours horizontaux mais
alignés le long d'une ligne de base polygonale (noms de
rues/routes/chemins, fleuves/rivières, frontières) et soit centré dessus
(rues/routes/cours d'eau), soit au dessus soit en dessous (frontières).

Dernier problème de taille: pour les grands zooms, les noms affichés le
long des frontières sont préférables car on n'a pas de visibilité sur
l'emplacement central trop éloigné. Pour les niveaux de zoom fins, ces noms
le long des frontières ne tiennent plus et sont mieux rendus au point
central de la surface. Mais là encore cela dépend du style final de rendu
selon la résolution du client et le serveur ne peut pas le décider avec un
rendu client vectoriel.

On trouve ces implémentations côté client dans certains navigateurs GPS,
mais à cause de la complexité de ce rendu, il est en fait encore souvent
précalculé sous forme de bitmap compressé dans sa base de données interne
(la compression fonctionne bien car il y a peu de couleurs ou c'est
monochrome et la résolution est connue et les tailles de police sont alors
précalculées de même que leur placement, leur orientation. Les navigateurs
GPS modernes disponsant d'un rendu 3D font tout en vectoriel et permettent
de zoomer et un rendu 3D en perspective avec parallaxe, et même un rendu 3D
réorientable selon la boussole sans que les libellés tournent (sinon ils
sont difficiles à lire en conduisant) et tenant compte des préférences de
l'utilisateur en terme de taille de police et aussi en terme de contraste
et styles (ou d'éléments à afficher/cacher).

Ces navigateurs GPS restent des petits appareils légers et y arrivent. Un
rendu vectoriel optimisé devrait donc pouvoir fonctionner très bien dans un
navigateur en WebGL avec un peu de javascript: on a ça déjà dans les rendus
3D pour OSM (F4Map). On aimerait avoir ça maintenant en 2D partout (ce qui
est normalement bien plus simple qu'en 3D). Bref on attend tous un rendu
vectoriel (comme le font déjà Google ou MapBox) pour en finir avec les
vieilles et lourdes tuiles bitmap (si compliquées à raffraichir et qui
consomment beaucoup de bande passante à l'usage surtout pour les
applications mobiles).


Le 4 décembre 2017 à 22:08, Maël REBOUX  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> Pour 1 et 2 : c’est un projet qui suit son cours.
> Des nouvelles 1er trimestre 2018.
> ;)
>
> Merci pour le pointage de ce compte.
>
> A galon / Cordialement,
>
> Maël  / www.openstreetmap.bzh
>
>
> Le 4 déc. 2017 à 01:36, Francois Gouget  a écrit :
>
>
> Je suis tombé sur un changeset qui ajoute des noms en Occitan dans
> name:oc, ce qui est bien, et dans le champ name avec un '/' ce qui est
> moins bien. Donc j'ai laissé un commentaire sur le changeset et pour ne
> pas perdre l'information, le voici :
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52321720
>
>
>
> D'ailleurs à propos de serveurs dédiés pour telle ou telle langue
> régionale, plutôt que d'avoir chaque communauté qui monte son propre
> serveur et gère sa propre infrastructure en doublon, serait-il possible :
>
> 1. Soit de juste mutualiser les ressources entre les différentes
>   communautés.
>
> 2. Soit de carrément monter un seul serveur qui couvrirait la France
>   entière, et rien que la France, et qui ferait un rendu avec les noms
>   en Breton pour la Bretagne, en Alsacien pour l'Alsace, en Occitan
>   pour l'Occitanie, et en Basque pour le pays Basque.
>
>   Bon, je suppose que pour le Basque il faudrait aussi couvrir une
>   partie de l'Espagne. Voir couvrir toute l'Espagne et ajouter le
>   Catalan tant qu'on y est.
>
>   Mais est-ce qu'il y aurait des zones où on aurait des conflits entre,
>   par exemple, les noms Basque et Occitan ?
>
>   Et est-ce que cela conviendrait aux différentes communautés où est-ce
>   que leur but est aussi d'afficher les noms partout en France (par
>   exemple Paris) / dans le monde dans leur 

Re: [Talk-us] Pokémon Go no officially using OpenStreetMap

[Toby Murray]

On the flip side, this seems to be driving a second wave of pokemon
players coming to OSM and mapping parks over their homes, changing
things to footways and such nonsense. It is also driving beneficial
edits though. Hopefully the helpful users will stick around longer
than the trolls. Just keep an eye out for random parks appearing on
the map for a while.

Toby

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Bill Ricker  wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
>> I'm not sure how many active OSM contributors also play Pokémon Go, but the
>> game is now officially using OSM for the basemap that players see in the
>> game (previously was using Google Maps data for the base map).  The in-game
>> about screen has text in the bottom of the License section correctly
>> attributing OSM.
>
>
> Thank you for sharing this.
>
> I was guessing so, when my daughter said a couple of the walking paths
> in our neighborhood had shown up in the game. ( I haven't added them
> to GoogleMaps so was pretty sure what map it was :-).)
>
> Glad to hear it's properly attributed.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Obtenir toutes les voies d'une commune

[Christian Quest]

Exemple: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tyN

Le 4 décembre 2017 à 23:08, Maël REBOUX  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> J’ai besoin de récupérer toutes les voies (highway=*) d’une commune.
>
> Je pense partir sur une requête OverPass API mais du coup ce qui me bloque
> c’est la « relation » d’appartenance à une commune.
> Intuitivement je pense qu’il faut utiliser une relation mais laquelle ?
>
> Merci d’avance pour votre aide.
>
> Maël
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Obtenir toutes les voies d'une commune

[marc marc]

Si la commune est définie par une zone, l'assistant overpass turbo highway=* in 
LaCommune te fait la requête 

> Le 4 déc. 2017 à 23:09, Maël REBOUX  a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> J’ai besoin de récupérer toutes les voies (highway=*) d’une commune.
> 
> Je pense partir sur une requête OverPass API mais du coup ce qui me bloque 
> c’est la « relation » d’appartenance à une commune.
> Intuitivement je pense qu’il faut utiliser une relation mais laquelle ?
> 
> Merci d’avance pour votre aide.
> 
> Maël
> 
> 
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[OSM-talk-fr] Obtenir toutes les voies d'une commune

[Maël REBOUX]

Bonjour,

J’ai besoin de récupérer toutes les voies (highway=*) d’une commune.

Je pense partir sur une requête OverPass API mais du coup ce qui me bloque 
c’est la « relation » d’appartenance à une commune.
Intuitivement je pense qu’il faut utiliser une relation mais laquelle ?

Merci d’avance pour votre aide.

Maël



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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

[Warin]

On 05-Dec-17 08:42 AM, Yves wrote:

I like the idea of voting to praise a good documentation.
The tools are available in the wiki, so why not try it out on a non 
debatable tagging scheme (maybe landcover wouldn't be a good idea for 
a try).
Yves 


There is usually room for improvement in any documentation particularly 
for documents read by different cultures.
What may appear to be excellent 'English' well understood by an American 
could be misinterpreted and/or confusing to an Irishman.




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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

[Yves]

I like the idea of voting to praise a good documentation. 
The tools are available in the wiki, so why not try it out on a non debatable 
tagging scheme (maybe landcover wouldn't be a good idea for a try). 
Yves 

Le 4 décembre 2017 18:47:00 GMT+01:00, Tobias Knerr  a 
écrit :
>Hi Roland,
>
>On 04.12.2017 09:42, Roland Olbricht wrote:
>> We recently had an experienced and productive community member, Ilya,
>> putting a lot of time in a Wiki Proposal just to see the whole
>process
>> fail.
>
>there's an important distinction here: It's Ilya's proposal that has
>failed (for now at least), not the proposal process. That proposals are
>sometimes rejected is an inherent part of that process.
>
>I've written several proposals over the years, and while some of them
>have been accepted, I've always learned something from the ones that
>weren't. Just because I'm an experienced contributor doesn't mean all
>my
>ideas are great – and the proposal process is a way to weed out those
>of
>my ideas that aren't.
>
>I'm not trying to suggest that the proposal system cannot possibly be
>improved upon. However, Ilya's proposal was pretty unusual as far as
>proposals go: It had a couple specific flaws which you already hinted
>at
>(such as trying to do too much at once and writing in a "documentation
>page" format instead of describing the changes to be voted on), so it's
>likely not the best basis for generalizing observations to the proposal
>process as a whole.
>
>> I suggest to replace the Proposal process by three more specialized
>> and therefore much simpler processes. They are structured by what
>they
>> can affect.
>[...]
>> === Distinguished Documentation === [...]
>> === Wiki Cleanup === [...]
>> === Tag Disambiguation ===
>
>At the moment, the proposal process isn't really intended for things
>that _only_ affect the wiki, it's always an attempt to come to an
>agreement on how to tag things in the database. So most of these items
>seem to be outside the scope of what proposals are suitable for.
>Generally, I don't believe a democratic process is the best way to
>produce well-written documentation.
>
>Tobias
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation du tag 'name' avec les langues régionales

[Maël REBOUX]

Bonjour,

Pour 1 et 2 : c’est un projet qui suit son cours.
Des nouvelles 1er trimestre 2018.
;)

Merci pour le pointage de ce compte.

A galon / Cordialement,

Maël  / www.openstreetmap.bzh 


> Le 4 déc. 2017 à 01:36, Francois Gouget  a écrit :
> 
> 
> Je suis tombé sur un changeset qui ajoute des noms en Occitan dans 
> name:oc, ce qui est bien, et dans le champ name avec un '/' ce qui est 
> moins bien. Donc j'ai laissé un commentaire sur le changeset et pour ne 
> pas perdre l'information, le voici :
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52321720
> 
> 
> 
> D'ailleurs à propos de serveurs dédiés pour telle ou telle langue 
> régionale, plutôt que d'avoir chaque communauté qui monte son propre 
> serveur et gère sa propre infrastructure en doublon, serait-il possible :
> 
> 1. Soit de juste mutualiser les ressources entre les différentes 
>   communautés.
> 
> 2. Soit de carrément monter un seul serveur qui couvrirait la France
>   entière, et rien que la France, et qui ferait un rendu avec les noms 
>   en Breton pour la Bretagne, en Alsacien pour l'Alsace, en Occitan 
>   pour l'Occitanie, et en Basque pour le pays Basque.
> 
>   Bon, je suppose que pour le Basque il faudrait aussi couvrir une 
>   partie de l'Espagne. Voir couvrir toute l'Espagne et ajouter le 
>   Catalan tant qu'on y est.
> 
>   Mais est-ce qu'il y aurait des zones où on aurait des conflits entre, 
>   par exemple, les noms Basque et Occitan ?
> 
>   Et est-ce que cela conviendrait aux différentes communautés où est-ce 
>   que leur but est aussi d'afficher les noms partout en France (par 
>   exemple Paris) / dans le monde dans leur langue ? Je note que le 
>   serveur Breton ne couvre que la Bretagne par exemple, et que donc 
>   cette approche ne serait pas donc immédiatement vouée à l'échec.
> 
>   Est-ce que cela simplifierait la gestion par rapport à l'option 1 ?
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La course de relais " Ar Redadeg" (4-12 mai 18) vend ses km sur une carte OSM bretonnisée

[Christian Rogel]

Petite rectification : la course pour le développement de la langue bretonne 
arrivera à sa 6ème édition et à ses 10 ans d’existence.

Les Basques et les Catalans ont leurs courses depuis bien plus longtemps  (ça 
existe aussi au Pays de Galles et en Irlande).

La « Correlengua » 2017 a eu lieu fin octobre-début novembre derniers.
Elle est passée par Valence et s’est terminé le 4 novembre à Perpignan où était 
rappelé (pas célébré) le traité des Pyrénées (1659) qui a séparé le Nord de la 
Catalogne de ses frères du Sud.
Déception : ils en sont toujours à utiliser Google.

La 20ème « Korrika » basque a eu lieu au printemps dernier. Ils ont même fait 
réaliser une application pour smartphones !

C. R.

> Le 4 déc. 2017 à 19:12, Christian Rogel  a 
> écrit :
> Dans 5 mois, la 10ème course à pied par relais parcourera 1800 km en Bretagne 
> (de Quimper à Plougerneau en passant par Audierne, Nantes, Vitré, Paimpol et 
> Brest) et sera courue par des milliers de personnes et accueillie par des 
> dizaines de milliers d’autres.
> 
> Étant donné l’engouement de plus en plus grand suscité par cette action pour 
> le financement de l’enseignement et de la culture en breton, il est probable 
> que la carte en ligne (visible ici 
> ) 
> va être fréquemment consultée par ceux qui voudront acheter et réserver des 
> km (de 100 à 200 € l’unité).
> 
> C’est le groupe OpenStreetMap e brezhoneg 
> , et spécialement Maël, qui a 
> persuadé les organisateurs de « La Redadeg » d’abandonner Google Maps et 
> d'utiliser la déclinaison en breton de la carte OSM qui est mise à jour 
> chaque début de mois (26 000 name:br au 1-12-17) ou seulement prendre 
> connaissance de l'itinéraire.
> 
> Le groupe OSM e brezhoneg encourage celles et ceux qui en ont la compétence 
> de cibler la modernisation ou traduction des toponymes de part et d’autre de 
> l’itinéraire, et aussi les noms de rue et de route.
> 
> La carte en breton commence à être connue et utilisée par le monde du breton 
> et des activités culturelles bretonnes.

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Re: [Talk-de] Kartendienst „finde.cash!“ und anonyme (Teil-) Edits

[Harald Hartmann]

> Bei vilen Banken dürfte die Öffnungszeit, die der Schalte sein. OFt
> haben Banke einen 24h Automatenraum. 

Schön wär's, war erst vor ein paar Wochen erst in Berlin und dann in
Hamburg bei ziemlich großen deutschen Bankhäusern gestanden und kam
nicht in den Automatenraum, weil es von außen keinen Kartenleser zum
Eintritt gab, wie ich es von anderen Bankhäusern eigentlich gewohnt bin.

Deshalb macht es schon Sinn auch die Öffnungszeit des Automaten zu
taggen, oder irgendwie zu taggen, ob man an den überhaupt (mit einer
Fremdkarte) rankommt, usw.


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Re: [Talk-de] Kartendienst „finde.cash!“ und anonyme (Teil-) Edits

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 4. Dec 2017, at 16:32, Johannes Schlüter  wrote:
> 
> Zudem ist die Frage wie genau die
> Position getaggt ist. Ist der automat in der Wand zur Straße zeigend,
> oder vor der Wand im Gebäude?


und auch wenn er im Gebäude ist dann könnte er trotzdem „oft“ zugänglich sein. 
Nur durch die Topologie kommt man da nicht weiter, dafür ein neuer tag, z.b. 
location=outdoor/indoor/underground 

Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-de] Kartendienst „finde.cash!“ und anonyme (Teil-) Edits

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 4. Dec 2017, at 11:39, Nils Vierus  wrote:
> 
> ich werte derzeit keine umschliessenden Objekte aus sondern empfehle 
> stattdessen, die implizite Öffnungszeit ders umgebenden Objekts explizit am 
> GA einzutragen. Da erzeugt freilich Redundanz und könnte bei Veränderungen 
> abweichen.


mir geht es da nicht um die Redundanz, eher wenn man z.B. schon im 
„geschlossenen“ Objekt drin ist, dann kann man den atm trotzdem benutzen, wenn 
er keine eigenen Öffnungszeiten hat.


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Re: [Talk-it] AGGIORNAMENTO MAPBOX OUTDOOR

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il 04/12/2017 19:38, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu ha scritto:

Il 04/12/2017 19:25, Davide Mangraviti ha scritto:
ma sei sicuro? Il tuo nickname che usi, non risulta essere ne uno ne 
l'altro

Lo puoi scrivere in modo corretto?



Ha sbagliato di nuvo dalla fretta, immagino :)

Dovrebbe essere questo, invertito (chiedo conferma):

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Brazzelli%20Roberto





Cambio anche il titolo con quello rispettoso del nome ufficiale. :)

Domanda, quali sono gli oggetti che non si vedono su Mapbox?
perchè generalmente su OSM si vedono, forse nella mappa outdoor non sono 
considerati alcuni oggetti, ma bisogna sapere quali.



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Re: [Talk-it] AGGIORNAMENTO MAPBOX AUTDORR

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il 04/12/2017 19:25, Davide Mangraviti ha scritto:

ma sei sicuro? Il tuo nickname che usi, non risulta essere ne uno ne l'altro
Lo puoi scrivere in modo corretto?



Ha sbagliato di nuvo dalla fretta, immagino :)

Dovrebbe essere questo, invertito (chiedo conferma):

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Brazzelli%20Roberto


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Re: [Talk-it] AGGIORNAMENTO MAPBOX AUTDORR

[Davide Mangraviti]

ma sei sicuro? Il tuo nickname che usi, non risulta essere ne uno ne l'altro
Lo puoi scrivere in modo corretto?



Roberto Brazzelli wrote
> Ciao scusa, ho sbagliato..il mio nick e Roberto Brazzelli.
> grazie
> 
> 2017-12-01 22:24 GMT+01:00 scratera 

> pizpiz@

> :
> 
>> ...con che nick name operi in osm???
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[OSM-talk-fr] La course de relais " Ar Redadeg" (4-12 mai 18) vend ses km sur une carte OSM bretonnisée

[Christian Rogel]

Dans 5 mois, la 10ème course à pied par relais parcourera 1800 km en Bretagne 
(de Quimper à Plougerneau en passant par Audierne, Nantes, Vitré, Paimpol et 
Brest) et sera courue par des milliers de personnes et accueillie par des 
dizaines de milliers d’autres.

Étant donné l’engouement de plus en plus grand suscité par cette action pour le 
financement de l’enseignement et de la culture en breton, il est probable que 
la carte en ligne (visible ici 
) va 
être fréquemment consultée par ceux qui voudront acheter et réserver des km (de 
100 à 200 € l’unité).

C’est le groupe OpenStreetMap e brezhoneg 
, et spécialement Maël, qui a 
persuadé les organisateurs de « La Redadeg » d’abandonner Google Maps et 
d'utiliser la déclinaison en breton de la carte OSM qui est mise à jour chaque 
début de mois (26 000 name:br au 1-12-17) ou seulement prendre connaissance de 
l'itinéraire.

Le groupe OSM e brezhoneg encourage celles et ceux qui en ont la compétence de 
cibler la modernisation ou traduction des toponymes de part et d’autre de 
l’itinéraire, et aussi les noms de rue et de route.

La carte en breton commence à être connue et utilisée par le monde du breton et 
des activités culturelles bretonnes.


Christian Rogel
Mandataire OSM France pour la Cornouaille
Groupe OSM e brezhoneg


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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

[Tobias Knerr]

Hi Roland,

On 04.12.2017 09:42, Roland Olbricht wrote:
> We recently had an experienced and productive community member, Ilya,
> putting a lot of time in a Wiki Proposal just to see the whole process
> fail.

there's an important distinction here: It's Ilya's proposal that has
failed (for now at least), not the proposal process. That proposals are
sometimes rejected is an inherent part of that process.

I've written several proposals over the years, and while some of them
have been accepted, I've always learned something from the ones that
weren't. Just because I'm an experienced contributor doesn't mean all my
ideas are great – and the proposal process is a way to weed out those of
my ideas that aren't.

I'm not trying to suggest that the proposal system cannot possibly be
improved upon. However, Ilya's proposal was pretty unusual as far as
proposals go: It had a couple specific flaws which you already hinted at
(such as trying to do too much at once and writing in a "documentation
page" format instead of describing the changes to be voted on), so it's
likely not the best basis for generalizing observations to the proposal
process as a whole.

> I suggest to replace the Proposal process by three more specialized
> and therefore much simpler processes. They are structured by what they
> can affect.
[...]
> === Distinguished Documentation === [...]
> === Wiki Cleanup === [...]
> === Tag Disambiguation ===

At the moment, the proposal process isn't really intended for things
that _only_ affect the wiki, it's always an attempt to come to an
agreement on how to tag things in the database. So most of these items
seem to be outside the scope of what proposals are suitable for.
Generally, I don't believe a democratic process is the best way to
produce well-written documentation.

Tobias

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Re: [Talk-cz] Překryv landuse=meadow/winter_sports

[Jan Macura]

Ahoj,

tyhle problémy nastávají, protože nepoužíváme klíč landcover=*, který by se
pro hodnoty grassland a meadow hodil mnohem víc.
Pokud se chceš vyhnout překryvu dvou landuse polygonů, je řešením relace
lyžařského areálu ,
řekl bych.

H.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Překryv landuse=meadow/winter_sports

[majka]

Základní problém je nacpání těch zimních sportů do landuse, jinak než
ostatní sporty. S tím nic neuděláme, ale osobně bych tady byla pro
překrývající se landuse, resp. sezónní landuse - tedy dva polygony, s tím
že "platnost" každého je v jiném období. Ani "velké" areály nebývají v létě
užívány jako sjezdovka. Tedy ano, z mého pohledu překrývající se landuse
jsou tu v pořádku.

Smazání jednoho nebo druhého je IMHO chyba - v létě mě zajímá louka, ne
sjezdovka (která notabene může být využívaná i v zimě jen občas). Jednu
takovou mám kousek od baráku - a není zmapovaná. Protože většinové užití
toho kopce není jako sjezdovka, ale jako louka, případně jako kopec ze
kterého se lítá (paragliding, dříve i občas dnes rogala). Využití jako
sjezdovka je pár víkendů v zimě, a to jestli vůbec místní ještě pouští vlek
- protože jinak je nutné si ten kopec vyšlápnout...
Proč někde umazávat jiné využití krajiny, když to smazané je pravda skoro
celý rok? V takovém případě by bylo správnější (mapujeme většinové
využití), smazat zrovna tu sjezdovku. Což se samozřejmě nebude líbit,
protože je to věc, která by výrazně chyběla v zimních mapách.


2017-12-04 15:41 GMT+01:00 Radek Kučera :

> Ahoj, opravoval jsem landuse u nás na sjezdovce.
>
> ...
> Smí se prvky landuse vůbec překrejvat? Současný řešení na základě tohodle
> fóra je takový,
> ...
>


> že je z celý oblasti sjezdovky smazanej původní landuse a sjezdovka je
> označená tagama
>
> landuse=winter_sports
> nature=grassland
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Re: [Talk-de] Kartendienst „finde.cash!“ und anonyme (Teil-) Edits

[Johannes Schlüter]

On Mo, 2017-12-04 at 11:39 +0100, Nils Vierus wrote:
> Hallo Martin,
> 
> ich werte derzeit keine umschliessenden Objekte aus sondern empfehle
> stattdessen, die implizite Öffnungszeit ders umgebenden Objekts
> explizit am GA einzutragen. Da erzeugt freilich Redundanz und könnte
> bei Veränderungen abweichen.

Bei vilen Banken dürfte die Öffnungszeit, die der Schalte sein. OFt
haben Banke einen 24h Automatenraum. Zudem ist die Frage wie genau die
Position getaggt ist. Ist der automat in der Wand zur Straße zeigend,
oder vor der Wand im Gebäude? Ich denke die automatische Übernahme ist
nicht wirklich sinnig.

johannes


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Requête overpass

[marc marc]

Le plus simple serrait d'afficher la carte osm à l'endroit d'un bout de 
rail manquant dans ton résultat, clic droit, interroger les objets (ou 
télécharger une petite zone avec josm).
Ainsi tu peux voir comment est tagé le rail qui te manque.

Sans l'avoir fait, je pense que cibler uniquement les "way" est trop 
limité, tu devrais au moins inclure aussi les relations qui ont les 
mêmes tags.

Le 04. 12. 17 à 16:15, PIERRE Sylvain a écrit :
> Merci pour les différentes pistes.
> 
> Cela marche plutôt bien dans l'ensemble, j'ai juste un souci avec les 
> données allemandes:
> 
> Alors que pour tous les autres pays européens je retrouve bien les voies 
> principales, la même requête overpass revoie des données complétement 
> éparpillées.
> 
> La requête:
> 
> https://www.overpass-api.de/api/interpreter?data=[out:xml];area[name=Deutschland];(way[railway][usage=main](area););out
>  
> body;>;out skel qt;
> 
> Une petite idée?
> 
> SP
> 
> -Message d'origine-
> De : HELFER Denis (SNCF RESEAU / SIEGE SNCF RESEAU / DT GE APPUI 
> PERFORMANCE) [mailto:denis.hel...@reseau.sncf.fr]
> Envoyé : vendredi 1 décembre 2017 16:00
> À : Discussions sur OSM en français
> Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Requête overpass
> 
> Tu peux également compléter avec la clé importance=national 
> (http://taginfo.openstreetmap.fr/tags/importance=national#map).
> 
> Remarque : il manque dans cette classe, à mon sens, le corridor alsacien 
> qui sert également de support au corridor européen Luxembourg-Bâle Ne 
> pas oublier non plus, les relations ferroviaires soit infra 
> (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4745266) soit exploitation 
> (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5847389)
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Denis
> 
> -Message d'origine-
> 
> De : marc marc [mailto:marc_marc_...@hotmail.com]
> 
> Envoyé : vendredi 1 décembre 2017 15:34
> 
> À : talk-fr@openstreetmap.org 
> 
> Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Requête overpass
> 
> Bonjour et bienvenue
> 
> Le 01. 12. 17 à 15:13, PIERRE Sylvain a écrit :
> 
>  > identifier avec
> 
>  > l’API overpass les voies de chemin de fer qui apparaissent sur le
> 
>  > serveur OpenRailWayMap sous les intitulés de légende « Ligne
> 
>  > principales » et « Lignes à grande vitesses ».
> 
>  >
> 
>  > J’ai bien conscience que OpenRailwayMap utilise ses propres tags, mais
> 
>  > existe-y-il une correspondance avec ceux de OSM sur ces critères ?
> 
> le point de départ est là http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap
> 
> d’où on va sur
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging#Tracks
> 
> où ils parlent de highspeed=yes
> 
> à l'arrache une première version :
> 
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tsA
> 
> Pour les lignes principales, celle sans highspeed=yes :) J'ai pas vu 
> pour les lignes secondaires (mais je n'ai fais qu'un rapide
> 
> survol)
> 
>  > Et puis allez, on est vendredi, je tente ma chance ;-)
> 
> et c'est bientôt Noël :-)
> 
>  > requête overpass pour sortir les autoroutes et les routes nationales
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:highway
> 
> autoroute tu verras que c'est facile : motorway Pour n'avoir que les 
> nationales, c'est un peu + compliqué.
> 
> il va falloir faire une combinaison de la fonction trunk+primary et de 
> la ref~N
> 
>  > sur plusieurs pays européens ?
> 
> Je laisse ce point pour le suivant :-)
> 
> Cordialement,
> 
> Marc
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Requête overpass

[PIERRE Sylvain]

Merci pour les différentes pistes.

Cela marche plutôt bien dans l'ensemble, j'ai juste un souci avec les données 
allemandes:

Alors que pour tous les autres pays européens je retrouve bien les voies 
principales, la même requête overpass revoie des données complétement 
éparpillées.

La requête:

https://www.overpass-api.de/api/interpreter?data=[out:xml];area[name=Deutschland];(way[railway][usage=main](area););out
 body;>;out skel qt;

[cid:image001.png@01D36D1B.1A3DF910]



Une petite idée?



SP



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Tu peux également compléter avec la clé importance=national 
(http://taginfo.openstreetmap.fr/tags/importance=national#map).

Remarque : il manque dans cette classe, à mon sens, le corridor alsacien qui 
sert également de support au corridor européen Luxembourg-Bâle Ne pas oublier 
non plus, les relations ferroviaires soit infra 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4745266) soit exploitation 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5847389)

Hope this helps,

Denis



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Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Requête overpass



Bonjour et bienvenue



Le 01. 12. 17 à 15:13, PIERRE Sylvain a écrit :

> identifier avec

> l’API overpass les voies de chemin de fer qui apparaissent sur le

> serveur OpenRailWayMap sous les intitulés de légende « Ligne

> principales » et « Lignes à grande vitesses ».

>

> J’ai bien conscience que OpenRailwayMap utilise ses propres tags, mais

> existe-y-il une correspondance avec ceux de OSM sur ces critères ?



le point de départ est là http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap

d’où on va sur

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging#Tracks

où ils parlent de highspeed=yes

à l'arrache une première version :

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tsA

Pour les lignes principales, celle sans highspeed=yes :) J'ai pas vu pour les 
lignes secondaires (mais je n'ai fais qu'un rapide

survol)



> Et puis allez, on est vendredi, je tente ma chance ;-)



et c'est bientôt Noël :-)



> requête overpass pour sortir les autoroutes et les routes nationales



http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:highway

autoroute tu verras que c'est facile : motorway Pour n'avoir que les 
nationales, c'est un peu + compliqué.

il va falloir faire une combinaison de la fonction trunk+primary et de la ref~N



> sur plusieurs pays européens ?



Je laisse ce point pour le suivant :-)



Cordialement,

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Re: [Talk-us] Coolidge Corner, Brookline, MA has wrong zip code

[Marc Gemis]

If you fill in "Coolidge Corner, Brookline, MA" on the nominatim
website, and run that query:
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=Coolidge+Corner%2C+Brookline%2C+MA_geojson=1=
Then click details, you end on the page
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=498867

There you see how the address is computed. The postal code is computed
a bit different than the other data. From the table you see there is
no boundary or so defined in OSM with the postal code  (there is no
"details >").
This means the postal code comes from either an external source that
was imported by Nominatim or an as part of an address node. But when I
click on the address node details for "Coolidge Corner, Brookline, MA"
or Allston, I do not see a postal code at all.

So I think

1) whatever you changed is not reflected in the OSM database
2) the postal code is coming from an import (most likely Tiger data)
in the Nominatim database.

hope this make sense
m.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Andre Robatino
 wrote:
> Nominatum's top result for "Coolidge Corner, Brookline, MA" still has 02446
> (as it did immediately after I read your reply), but the other results still
> have 02118. Shouldn't it have been copied to all the mirrors by now?
>
> BTW, I was wondering if it would make sense to use a list of specific
> addresses as a sanity check on edits. Someone could register address(es)
> they are familiar with, such as their own, and they would be notified
> automatically if any of the associated data (such as county or zip code)
> changed. If the change is wrong, they could log in and flag the error, and
> the mistake could be traced back to the offending edit. If this existed, I
> could have used it both for the zip code error, and for the wrong county
> error that I reported in July, in
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2017-July/017529.html .
>
> On 11/19/2017 02:57 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> Nominatim should return the correct results now.
>
> Problem that Max Erickson discovered was an incomplete edit in Boston that
> caused the problem. By adding a tag to the Boston node to describe the
> feature, resulted in Nominatim returning the correct results.
>
> Clifford
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Clifford Snow 
> wrote:
>>
>> I just asked about nominatim on the IRC
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Max Erickson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nominatim calculates 02118:
>>>
>>> http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=498867
>>>
>>> Most of the data seems to have the correct addr:postcode:
>>>
>>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/t5e
>>>
>>> (The query includes postal_code but there aren't any in the data)
>>>
>>> So what is Nominatim looking at to come up with the calculated value?
>>> I think the next thing to check would be boundaries enclosing
>>> Brookline, not sure if that is how nominatim works though.
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Pokemon GO now uses OSM globally - influx of new users

[Maurizio Napolitano]

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Andreas Lattmann
 wrote:
> Forse perché c'è in giro questa voce?
>
> https://1n.pm/WE6XJ
>
Il problema c'è ancora da un anno
https://mic.com/articles/166654/pokemon-go-hack-altering-openstreetmap-data-may-create-new-spawn-points-in-the-game#.50x61og1V

al punto che è stato proposto un messaggio di invito a chi comincia a
mappare dati per far nascere pokemon
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/12/30/tips-pokemon-go/

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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa street names

[john whelan]

That should screw up a few search engines when people try to look up the
postal addresses from Canada post which are different.

Thanks John

On 4 December 2017 at 09:22, Matthew Darwin  wrote:

> Here's the info I have:
>
> From: "Young, Erin"  
> To: Addressing And Signs  
> 
> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:35:00 +
>
> *City of Ottawa - Notice of Street Name Corrections – Effective
> immediately*
>
>
>
> The Director of Building Code Services, under delegated authority granted
> by By-law 2014-78, approved corrections to the spelling of five street
> names. These names were missing accents, articles or hyphens or had
> incorrect capitalization. These changes are part of the City’s Street Name
> Verification Project, one of the post-amalgamation initiatives to resolve
> street name anomalies.
>
>
>
> Please make the necessary changes to your records to reflect the corrected
> street names as they appear in the table below, in accordance with the
> language format used.
>
>
>
> *City of Ottawa Official Format*
>
> *English*
>
> *French*
>
> avenue des Épinettes Avenue
>
> Épinettes Avenue
>
> avenue des Épinettes
>
> promenade des Mésanges Drive
>
> Mésanges Drive
>
> promenade des Mésanges
>
> chemin de Montréal Road
>
> Montréal Road
>
> chemin de Montréal
>
> boulevard d’Orléans Boulevard
>
> Orléans Boulevard
>
> boulevard d’Orléans
>
> promenade de la Place-d’Orléans Drive
>
> Place-d’Orléans Drive
>
> promenade de la Place-d’Orléans
>
> Matthew Darwinmatthew@mdarwin.cahttp://www.mdarwin.ca
>
> On 2017-12-04 06:57 AM, James wrote:
>
> DES EPINETTES AVE
> is english. Des Epinettes Avenue. French is avenue Des Epinettes.
>
> Dont look hard for an Explaination why they keep the french article, we
> are talking about a city that has Forest instead of Fôrest. There's also
> Des Aubépines that keeps the é.
>
> On Dec 4, 2017 6:49 AM, "john whelan"  wrote:
>
>> There seems to be some confusion over the English version and French
>> versions of the street names.
>>
>> Canada Post recognises 375 DES EPINETTES AVE ORLEANS ON   K1E 3E6 as an
>> English address.
>>
>> Until very recently this would also be the address in OpenStreetMap and
>> used by the city.
>>
>> There is a by-law that says what the differences are.
>>
>> Has something changed recently?
>>
>> Many thanks John
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Pokemon GO now uses OSM globally - influx of new users

[Andreas Lattmann]

Forse perché c'è in giro questa voce? 

https://1n.pm/WE6XJ

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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa street names

[Matthew Darwin]

Here's the info I have:

From: "Young, Erin" 
To: Addressing And Signs 
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:35:00 +

*City of Ottawa - Notice of Street Name Corrections – Effective 
immediately*


**

The Director of Building Code Services, under delegated authority 
granted by By-law 2014-78, approved corrections to the spelling of 
five street names. These names were missing accents, articles or 
hyphens or had incorrect capitalization. These changes are part of the 
City’s Street Name Verification Project, one of the post-amalgamation 
initiatives to resolve street name anomalies.


Please make the necessary changes to your records to reflect the 
corrected street names as they appear in the table below, in 
accordance with the language format used.


*City of Ottawa Official Format*



*English*



*French*

avenue des Épinettes Avenue



Épinettes Avenue



avenue des Épinettes

promenade des Mésanges Drive



Mésanges Drive



promenade des Mésanges

chemin de Montréal Road



Montréal Road



chemin de Montréal

boulevard d’Orléans Boulevard



Orléans Boulevard



boulevard d’Orléans

promenade de la Place-d’Orléans Drive



Place-d’Orléans Drive



promenade de la Place-d’Orléans

Matthew Darwin
matt...@mdarwin.ca
http://www.mdarwin.ca

On 2017-12-04 06:57 AM, James wrote:

DES EPINETTES AVE
is english. Des Epinettes Avenue. French is avenue Des Epinettes.

Dont look hard for an Explaination why they keep the french article, 
we are talking about a city that has Forest instead of Fôrest. 
There's also Des Aubépines that keeps the é.


On Dec 4, 2017 6:49 AM, "john whelan" > wrote:


There seems to be some confusion over the English version and
French versions of the street names.

Canada Post recognises 375 DES EPINETTES AVE ORLEANS ON   K1E
3E6 as an English address.

Until very recently this would also be the address in
OpenStreetMap and used by the city.

There is a by-law that says what the differences are.

Has something changed recently?

Many thanks John

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rencontre parisienne le vendredi 10 nov - gare de Lyon

[Florian LAINEZ]

quand tu dis qu'il Manque plus que les A7A1M4 et A7A1M5, tu veux dire qu'il
faut les trouver ou il y a juste un besoin de vérification ? je peux y
repasser si besoin

Le 2 décembre 2017 à 20:00, Francois Gouget  a écrit :

> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, Florian LAINEZ wrote:
>
> > Hello François,
> > Je n'ai pas fait toutes les boites mais j'ai corrigé des erreurs sur
> > plusieurs d'entre elles :
> > A2D6U6 : https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/264258714
> > A2D6U8 : https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/264258705
> > A2Y8H4 : https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3671830102
> > A3T6L2 : https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3166378481
> >
> > Je suis allé prendre des photos sur place, tu verra les numéros d'ID qui
> > renvoient vers les photos Mapillary pour preuve ;)
> > Du coup par déduction tu peux finir le job ?
>
> Super !
> J'ai complété ce week-end :
> * A6D2U7 -> A2D6U7. C'est moi qui avait dû me tromper en tapant la
>   référence d'ailleurs.
>   https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4121546909
>
> * A2D6U7 -> A2D6V0, la seule référence du fichier de la poste qui
>   restait (+ une note vu que la boîte aux lettres n'a aucune référence
>   affichée).
>   https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3671887230
>
> * Et sur les trois A2D6I8 il y en avait une qui était correcte.
>   https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3597070375
>
> Ensuite j'ai mis les horaires de levée et voilà. Pour la gare je pense
> que c'est bon.
>
>
> Manque plus que les A7A1M4 et A7A1M5 (peut-être dans le bureau de poste
> ?), et les horaires de levée des boîtes aux lettres du bureau de poste
> et de la A2D6S2 au 14 boulevard Diderot.
>
>
> Quand même la poste pourrait mettre les horaires de levée de ses boîtes
> aux lettres et de leurs bureaux de poste dans leur fichier en OpenData !
>
>
> --
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[OSM-talk-fr] Les TOC "Points d'eau incendie"

[Vincent Bergeot]

Bonjour,

en lisant ceci 
http://www.afigeo.asso.fr/12-news/news/1880-modele-minimal-hydrants-2.html 
et le document auquel il est fait référence (je ne le mets pas, j'aime 
pas googledoc !) j'ai eu l'impression de lire une page wiki d'osm :)


Avec une image d'illustration extraite Osm-Hydrant et OpenStreetMap !

Bonne journée

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Re: [Talk-de] Kartendienst „finde.cash!“ und anonyme (Teil-) Edits

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 04.12.17 schrieb Nils Vierus :
> ich werte derzeit keine umschliessenden Objekte aus sondern empfehle
> stattdessen, die implizite Öffnungszeit ders umgebenden Objekts explizit am
> GA einzutragen. Da erzeugt freilich Redundanz und könnte bei Veränderungen
> abweichen.


das könnte auch für Verwirrung sorgen, wenn es den nachfolgenden
Mappern nicht klar ist, von welchem Objekt die Zeiten geerbt wurden.


> Dasselbe trifft übrigens für die Adresse zu: die wird bei
> Neuanlage/Verschiebung auch explizit im addr:* Tag gespeichert, auch wenn es
> ein umschliessendes Objekt mit Adresse gibt.


hm, das finde ich weniger gut, es kann ja evtl. auch Geldautomaten
geben, die gar keine Adresse haben (stehen nicht auf einem
Grundstück).

Gruß,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-12-04 12:36 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
> There is a specific OSM list for tagging .. where proposals are
> discussed, etc. This is in addition to any wiki discussion!


+1, but it is really "in addition" (mostly, people do not post their
comments and concerns in both places).  The tagging mailing list is
mandatory for the proposal process (announcing RFC and voting start)



> But OSM does allow the creation of new tags by anyone without going
> through the proposal process, so there are things like
> man_made=cairn and landmark=cairn which appear to be the same thing to me.


It could be interpreted that the latter is about a cairn which is a
landmark while the former is about any cairn (but there is not
documentation enforcing this view). Actually, there used to be
documentation referring to the "landmark" key, but it was removed:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:landmark=next=887875
(This documentation is from OpenSeaMap (or one of the other sea
mapping projects, I'm not sure) and was referring only to landmarks
visible from the sea, so the key was disputed with this definition for
being too generic in its key name in the past)

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-ja] 鉄道駅の通り抜け用マッピング

[tomoya muramoto]

東様

>おおよその位置情報や方向とどう合わせて経路をつないでいくのかお考えがあればお聞かせください。
歩測とコンパスでどうにかするしかないと思っています。
もちろんこの方法はハードルが高いとは思いますし、もっと簡単な方法があれば私も採用したいですが、良いやり方を思いつきません。

>>>* 地下鉄出入口
>現時点ではどういれると良いのか判断つきません。
では現時点ではペンディングということで。

>従来のマッピングではこれを ref=1;2 のように列挙型で記述していたのですが
私もこの書き方は改善したいと思っているのですが、うまい書き方が思いつきません。

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Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

[Gregory]

Sorry I'm late to this thread.

OSM UK CIC, we posted this statement:
https://osmuk.org/pinned/uk-set-to-benefit-from-the-release-of-more-geospatial-data/
Although it gives a viewpoint on the budget, the OSM UK community is not
limited to the aims of the CIC.


Is the £80m even to free up OSMM?
I read it as...
a) £80m for the Geospatial Commission (for sandwiches during their
meetings?)
b) it's *first* task is to establish *how to* open up MM, not part of the
task to actually do that.


Some say this could be a victory for OSM UK, or...
It could be a victory for OS, and they pack up and go home, because now OSM
will keep MM up-to-date?


>From Newcastle,
Gregory.

On 24 November 2017 at 14:06, Simon Poole  wrote:

> A note on the side (and maybe an angle to divert some of those funds to
> something really useful): what has always struck me very weird about open
> geo data in the UK, compared to practically every other Western European
> country (even those with far, far less open data), is the, in general,
> dismal aerial imagery quality. It is not unusual to have at least nominal
> resolution 25cm/px imagery if not 10cm and better in lots of places for
> larger areas.
>
> In my experience (which is fairly extensive in this regard) freeing up
> imagery is much easier than actual datasets and our use case is rather
> exotic in any case so typically not seen as a competitive danger.
>
> Simon
>
> Am 24.11.2017 um 12:22 schrieb Andy Robinson:
>
> Indeed Bob’s may be the best case scenario and I note perhaps the more
> cynical view taken by the likes of Ed Parkes.
>
>
>
> I let out a little wee in my pants when I heard the budget announcement.
> Geospatial doesn’t get mentioned much on the floor of the house! So it’s an
> encouraging further nipping at the heels of the giant.
>
>
>
> Each time I hear a welcome apparently positive announcement like this it
> makes me pause and wonder whether the tail is wagging the dog. The
> chancellor might be making funds available but the campaigning to get it is
> not done by the politicians but by those who feel it’s a worthwhile cause,
> they needed to sell it. So what influences drives like this? It’s easy to
> dismiss the role of OSM, in fact OSM may have never figured in the
> discussion about this new money, however I like to think we have influenced
> the marketplace for geospatial data in the UK and will continue to think we
> are (in our little world) the tail.
>
>
>
> So that brings me on to the what next for OSM. Could it indeed have the
> potential to be the end of contribution to OSM in the UK?  Fortunately I
> think not. We are unique in the marketplace that we can react to new cheap
> technology much quicker than the giants like the OS. Around the corner is
> the prospect of the L1/L5 GNSS dual frequency exploitation to bring us sub
> metre positional accuracy with a standard smart phone. While the claimed
> 300mm accuracy is still a long way short of the OS’s 30mm surveying target
> for MasterMap products its getting us closer to being able to verify the
> near precise position of objects, better local rectification of the imagery
> we trace from and I’m sure lots of other things I’m just not thinking of
> right now. If we combine this with where technology is leading us –
> driverless devices, autonomous drones, improved remote sensing from
> satellites etc – we can expect the tools we use today to add to and
> maintain OSM in the UK to be every improving.
>
>
>
> I believe there is another important point too. MasterMap may be a great
> product today but I’m not convinced its fit for even the next 10 years.
> Some of the industries that uses MasterMap in the UK, engineering and the
> building industry to name just two, are rapidly moving to a 3 & 4
> dimensional BIM approach. The 2D MasterMap looks more like an NPE sheet in
> the BIM field.
>
>
>
> But, I hear you say, OSM is mostly a 2D product! Right! While we may be
> winning the battle on getting the OS to open up its data we may be losing
> the war if OSM doesn’t react to the future direction of geospatial data. In
> an increasingly 3D and 4D geospatial world OSM is starting to look like a
> rather clunky model. If a new Steve Coast starts a 4D mapping project and
> it gains initial traction would we jump ship?
>
>
>
> I’ll leave that one with you for the weekend J
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* SK53 [mailto:sk53@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* 23 November 2017 19:14
> *To:* Gervase Markham
> *Cc:* Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission
>
>
>
> The twitterverse has been talking of nothing else.
>
> Personally, I will be very cautiously optimistic.
>
> The best case scenario is one suggested by Bob Barr:
>
>- OSGB changes it's business model from pay-to-use to transaction
>based (a la Land Registry).
>- The £80 million (2 years at £40 million) is used to cushion revenue
>& staff implications
>- Master Map 

Re: [OSM-ja] 鉄道駅の通り抜け用マッピング（路線編）

[tomoya muramoto]

東様

>相対式ホームの場合にはホームごとにエレベータが必要で、それが片側にしか無い駅も存在するため、通り抜け可否を正しく判断するには複線化が必須なのです。
リレーションのメンバーにplatformを追加すれば複線化する必要は必ずしもないのではないでしょうか。
もちろん実際に複線が存在するのであれば複線化するのがベターではありますが、ターミナル駅などでは車両の両側から降りることができる「単線＋両側プラットホーム」という構造はよくあります。
(私が東様の意図を理解できていない可能性が高いので、図示いただけると助かります)

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[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2017-12-01

[Dave Hansen]

These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

Downloads:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-12-01

Map to visualize what each file contains:


http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-12-01/kml/kml.html


FAQ



Why did you do this?

I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
on removable media.  

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-12-01

Can or should I seed the torrents?

Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
side of the Atlantic.

Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?

There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
want to update if you had issues with the last set.

Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?

If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
file.

Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?

Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
non-US area to get included, let me know. 

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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa street names

[James]

DES EPINETTES AVE
is english. Des Epinettes Avenue. French is avenue Des Epinettes.

Dont look hard for an Explaination why they keep the french article, we are
talking about a city that has Forest instead of Fôrest. There's also Des
Aubépines that keeps the é.

On Dec 4, 2017 6:49 AM, "john whelan"  wrote:

> There seems to be some confusion over the English version and French
> versions of the street names.
>
> Canada Post recognises 375 DES EPINETTES AVE ORLEANS ON   K1E 3E6 as an
> English address.
>
> Until very recently this would also be the address in OpenStreetMap and
> used by the city.
>
> There is a by-law that says what the differences are.
>
> Has something changed recently?
>
> Many thanks John
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[Talk-ca] Ottawa street names

[john whelan]

There seems to be some confusion over the English version and French
versions of the street names.

Canada Post recognises 375 DES EPINETTES AVE ORLEANS ON   K1E 3E6 as an
English address.

Until very recently this would also be the address in OpenStreetMap and
used by the city.

There is a by-law that says what the differences are.

Has something changed recently?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

[Warin]

There is a specific OSM list for tagging .. where proposals are 
discussed, etc. This is in addition to any wiki discussion!


The proposal process should get contributions from those interested in 
tag improvements and additions.


But OSM does allow the creation of new tags by anyone without going 
through the proposal process, so there are things like

man_made=cairn and landmark=cairn which appear to be the same thing to me.
So no matter how the tagging proposal process is refined there will 
still be problems created out side the proposal process.


Personally .. I think the proposal should first address the issue of  
'is it useful' (or, as some say, do 'we' want it)?
Once that is voted on then how is it to be categorised, what is it to be 
called and so on - each set to be a vote possibly with multiple choices.
This reduces the work load of the proposer as they can see it it will 
pass the first hurdle and then each successive stage gets a majority view.

But this should be discussed on the tagging specific list.


On 04-Dec-17 08:13 PM, Andrew Hain wrote:
I would suggest that this is part of a wider malaise that the mission 
of the wiki has become unclear.


--
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*From:* Roland Olbricht 
*Sent:* 04 December 2017 08:42:46
*To:* osm-talk
*Subject:* [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?
Hi all,

We recently had an experienced and productive community member, Ilya,
putting a lot of time in a Wiki Proposal just to see the whole process
fail. Given the feedback from the process, this has been due to a whole
bunch of hard-to-control problems
- the whole thing has been too complex
- the wording did cause misunderstandings
- attempt to discuss the matter in an unsuitable medium

If even an experienced member cannot handle the process then we should
reconsider whether the process of Wiki Proposals makes sense at all.

I suggest to replace the Proposal process by three more specialized
and therefore much simpler processes. They are structured by what they
can affect.

In particular, the discussion should go to better suited places than the
infamous Wiki page discussion shadow pages:

Ilya complained that at the wiki discussion page turned into a complete
mess of "56K text". I do agree that the wiki page is a hard-to-read
mess, but yet it has only the content of 10-30 messages.
There had even been expressed deprecation that the discussion spilled
into the voting section because it is so difficult to read.

For comparison: My mail client currently handles more than 100'000
messages and is still fast and comfortable to use. Even in the forum
where users are stuck with what the web interface allows, it is easy to
have discussions with some hundred responses.

This should remind us that the wiki discussion facility is unsuited for
any nontrivial discussion but it disguises as sufficient discussion
facility.

Note that on the same time there is a group of 350 community members
who have indicated to be interested in public transport. Ilya stated as
a reson that the corresponding mailing list has "less than 3 messages"
per month. The content equivalence of "3 messages" on a wiki discussion
page already would make the impression of a heated discussion.
Apparently the wiki discussion pages have distracted him from the real
audience.

Please note:
It does not make sense to discuss the redesign of one communication
channel in another communication channel. But the wiki does not have a
suitable place to discuss the issue. Hence I cross-post to the forum to
at least reach also a large portion of the less tech-savvy community
members.

I suggest the following three specialized replacements for the Proposal
process:

=== Distinguished Documentation ===

OSM could profit in a lot of cases from a good how-to map for particular
subjects. But at the same time exists poor documentation and people do
not necessary know which to trust. Writing a good documentation will
become more rewarding if we can offer a process to indicate general
acclaim and distinguish excellent documentation.

The voting confirms that the claims of the documentation reflect actual
mapping practice. That way, it makes the effort a distinguished
documentation.

It des not affect any existing wiki pages.
It does not affect the OSM database.

=== Wiki Cleanup ===

Amongst the real problems of OSM is that our wiki documentation has lots
of poorly maintained pages. There exist even contradictions between
different pages. For an unexperienced users it is difficult to figure
out which wiki pages are really applicable.

We need a decision process which of the contradictive statements can be
discarded. The hurdles should not be too high because we generally do
have too few maintenance of the wiki content. Nonetheless, as this does
give some rulesets a spin in favour of others, it should be subject to a
voting.

There should be left a success notice after 

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data - Legal question about license agreement

[Simon Poole]

Hi Mike


You need to get your lawyer to look at
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence in particular
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines


I'm afraid nobody can offer case by case vetting of specific business
cases, at best we can point you to general guidance, and point to
general principles. You or your lawyer need to make your own
determination if you business model is possible under our licence regime
or not. For example Produced Works can be offered on essentially any
terms (including asking a fortune), as long as the required attribution
is provided. If you have used a Derivative Database to create the
Produced Work, that however must be made available on request on ODbL
terms to recipients of the Produced Work.


In general I always point out that while we have a number of guidelines
around the on how far share alike effects  third party data, the thing
to understand is that OSM data always needs to distributed on ODbL terms
except if we are considering insubstantial extracts.


Simon


Am 04.12.2017 um 04:00 schrieb Mike Razis:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> My name is Mike and I have a legal question with regards to the usage
> of OSM data.
>
>
> I'm an engineer who started a project with a few friends. Essentially,
> we're planning on creating scenes of various cities for fight
> simulators (and possible games later on).
>
> We get data from various different sources to construct our scenes.
> From OSM, we use very little of the data, more specifically:
>
>  *
> *_BUILDINGS_*: We get the vector data for buildings, and we then
> model our own buildings partly based on this data.
>  o
> We essentially get the "way" information about the corners
> delimiting the building, so that we know where to place our
> buildings. In cases where the height information is available
> on OSM, sometimes we use it. But very often we invent our own
> (since the data is not available). We just make sure that it's
> somewhat realistic.
>  o
> We then apply our own textures to artistically draw and
> shade-in the sides of the buildings. We add random windows and
> doors (not based on anything from OSM).
>  o
> We also add our own buildings for locations where there are no
> OSM buildings found but we feel like we should add some more.
>  o
> We are definitely not re-packaging and selling the OSM data.
> What we do is really just use the information to generate our
> own scenes, and that's with a lot of modification and
> extrapolation, to make it looks artistically realistic.
>  *
> *_BRIDGES_*: We sometimes use OSM data in order to determine where
> there are bridges. Then we insert some generic models of 3D
> bridges that we've created into the scene at those locations.
>
>
> We hope to one day sell our Scenes to be used by engines that make
> flight simulators. We wanted to make sure to cover our bases, and so
> we read the License Agreements, and we also got a lawyer to read it
> over. We know that we would have to credit OSM for the usage of the
> data, but the lawyer is asking us a lot of questions such as:
>
>  *
> Do we generate a "Derivative Database" or a "Collective Database"?
>  *
> Can we really sell this "Produced Work"? Do we have to make our
> "Produced Work" available for free?
>  o
> Our lawyer seems to think that perhaps we have to offer our
> "Produced Work" for free. He mentions that we are allowed to
> create works from the database as long as "Share-Alike" and
> "Keep open". We think that perhaps he's misinterpreting what
> it means, because it seems like there are many companies out
> there doing exactly what we plan on doing, and they sell the
> end-products for money.
>
>
> This seems like a fairly straightforward use-case for us, but being
> engineers, we're having trouble with the legal lingo. And the lawyer
> we're dealing with seems to not understand technology...
>
>
> We know there are several other companies out there that do almost
> exactly what we do. For example, the Polish company "Drzewiecki
> Design" creates scenes (such as New York) for the X-Plane simulator
> company. They use some OSM data to generate their scenes (which they
> sell to users who want to fly in those cities), and they credit you on
> their website. (example:
> http://store.x-plane.org/New-York-City-XP-_p_431.html
> ).
>
> Another example of a game that uses OSM data and sells their
> end-product would be "Monopoly City Streets" by Hasbro.
>
>
> Can we assume that's all we would have to do is clearly credit OSM?
> Can you please confirm that what I described does not consist of a
> "Derived Database"? Or at least that we would not have to make
> available a free version of our "Produced Work"? (We only in part use
> 

Re: [Talk-hr] OSM Meetup

[hbogner]

Cilj i je održavati redovite mjesečne sastanke prve srijede u mjesecu, 
ali na prošlih nekoliko su se pojavljivali samo Matija, Ksenija i ja.


Bilo je uneseno i u https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Calendar

Prošli put Matija i Ksenija nisu mogli, ja više nisam u Zagrebu i 
problem mi je doći do Zagreba ako ću biti jedini :D


Ja imam u planu organizirati OSM događanja u Karlovcu gdje sam se 
preselio. Ovdje sam dogovorio prostor, samo moram naći vrijeme da se ne 
poklapa sa mogućim događanjima u ZG na koja bih ponekad mogao otići.


Kolega Tutić je spomenuo Geodetski fakultet, pa bi zagrebačke OSM 
događaje mogli možda tamo održavati, kao što se tamo održava Geomeetup 
Zagreb.


Druga opcija je da se pridružimo Geoomeetup Zagreb događanju jer je OSM 
dio Geo komponente :D


Kako god bilo, ja mogu pomoći oko početne organizacije, ali netko tko je 
u Zagrebu bi morao preuzeti zagrebačke aktivnosti.


Pozdrav, Hrvoje

On 04.12.2017 10:37, Borut Maricic wrote:

Možda da taj susret netko od vas unese u kalendar,
tako da i drugi po svijetu mogu vidjeti da se i u
Zagrebu oko OSM-a nešto događa:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Calendar

Tako će to onda automatski biti vidljivo na WeeklyOSM
(ovdje na engleskom:
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/
ovdje na njemačkom:
http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/author/wochennotizteam/

Možda je to prilika da se usvoji neki redoviti susret
tipa "kvartalno, svake prve srijede u mjesecu" ili
štogod slično. (Na wikiju je u principu lako napraviti
i stranicu susreta, s najavama tema i kratkim
izvještajima/zaključcima s prethodnih susreta.)

(Ja nisam u Zagrebu, a brinem o sličnim susretima u
Leobenu, Austrija, pa mi je to dosta :) no mislim,
ako je tako nešto dugotrajno ostvarivo u sredinama
od dvadesetak tisuća ljudi, onda je valjda i u Zagrebu.


On 2017-12-03 23:54, hbogner wrote:

Naknadno sam vidio da se 13.12.2017. održava GeoMeetup Zagreb i to na
faksu, pa sam predložio da se ipak tad nađemo, tad će biti više ljudi.

Drago mi je da se na faksu koristi OSM i bilo bi nam drago da se što
veći broj studenata uključi u projekt.

Pozdrav,
Hrvoje Bogner


On 01.12.2017 09:07, Dražen Tutić wrote:
Mogu ponuditi da se sastanak održi na Geodetskom fakultetu. Bilo bi 
dobro studente povezati s HrOSM zajednicom, s obzirom na to da sve 
više koristimo OSM u nastavi. A i naš OSGL ima želju uspostaviti 
kontakte i zajedničke aktivnosti s HrOSM-om.



U srijedu 6.12. to bi mogao tek od 19 sati.


Lijepi pozdrav,

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Ima li zainteresiranih za sastanak u srijedu 6.12.2017. u cca 18h?
Ja više nisam u ZG pa mi je teško organizirati sastanke. Ima li
zaintereisanih u Zagrebu za organizaciju?




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Re: [Talk-de] Kartendienst „finde.cash!“ und anonyme (Teil-) Edits

[Nils Vierus]

Hallo Martin,

ich werte derzeit keine umschliessenden Objekte aus sondern empfehle 
stattdessen, die implizite Öffnungszeit ders umgebenden Objekts explizit am GA 
einzutragen. Da erzeugt freilich Redundanz und könnte bei Veränderungen 
abweichen.

Ich kann mir mal anschauen, wie die Übernahme aus dem umschliessenden Objekt zu 
realisieren wäre. 

Dasselbe trifft übrigens für die Adresse zu: die wird bei 
Neuanlage/Verschiebung auch explizit im addr:* Tag gespeichert, auch wenn es 
ein umschliessendes Objekt mit Adresse gibt.

Gruß Nils
Am 4. Dezember 2017 um 10:13:48, Martin Koppenhoefer (dieterdre...@gmail.com) 
schrieb:

die meisten Automaten sind ja immer zugänglich, und meistens haben die atm auch 
keine Öffnungszeiten getaggt (hier zumindest), würdet Ihr trotzdem empfehlen, 
da immer 24/7 zu taggen?

Wertest Du in der Karte auch Öffnungszeiten von umschließenden Objekten aus, 
sofern diese denselben layer oder level haben (oder vielleicht Umschließendes 
hat keinen layer/level) (z.B. in Einkaufszentren oder U-Bahnhöfen gut möglich, 
dass es da implizite Öffnungszeiten gibt). Falls nicht, wäre das ne Anregung. 
Evtl. auch site-relations.

Gruß,
Martin  
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Dec social

[Eike Ritter]

Dear all,

> I'm looking forward to my curry next Thursday! I think in light of a
> better recommendation we should follow Andy M's advice and go for
> Manzill next to Digbeth Police Station as it's handy for everyone
> 

I'll be there, too.

Best wishes,

Eike




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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Toilettes accessibles avec I Wheel Share

[Florian LAINEZ]

Hello,
Marc :
-I Wheel Share collabore déjà avec les associations concernées, notamment
l'APF, mais également et surtout avec les personnes touchées de handicap
directement.
Notre outil a en effet pour ambition d'être vraiment utilisé ...

-Peux-tu me redonner les détails concernant l’harmonisation des tags ? Je
suis dispo pour faire avancer ce dossier avec toi.

-Bonne question : en envisage en effet de faire une page web qui affiche
les toilettes accessibles, à suivre ...

-Il n'existe à ma connaissance pas d'appli pour faire le travail lié à
l'accessibilité des toilettes en mode push.
Ceci dit, dans la majorité des situations, la donnée n'existe tout
simplement pas, donc le besoin pour un tel outil reste limité.
Le plus simple, et c'est ce que je fais au quotidien, est d'ouvrir l'appli
Wheelmap et d'identifier les lieux alentours directement.

++

Le 2 décembre 2017 à 23:11, marc marc  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> Questions en vrac :
>
> - il n'y aurait-il pas moyen de collaborer avec les associations
> concernées ? je me dis qu'une personne a mobilité réduite est la mieux
> placée pour renseigner la réalité de l'accessibilité.
> Et puis surtout cela permet aux données d'être utilisée (parce que sinon
> parfois on se demande pq on le fait)
>
> - si tu as un contact avec wheelmap tu peux réveiller l'histoire de
> l'harmonisation et nettoyage des tags ?
> je suis toujours dispo pour faire le taf s'ils le souhaitent.
>
> - c'est pas un troll mais une simple page Wheely qui te dit la même
> chose, c'est envisagé pour ceux qui ne souhaitent pas de gafa ?
>
> - pour marquer les accessibilités manquantes, existe-t-il un app en mode
> push ? un peu comme les alerte osmose qu'on peux voir par proximité dans
> Vespucci sans devoir regarder l'écran.
>
> Cordialement,
> Marc
>
> Le 01. 12. 17 à 19:20, Florian LAINEZ a écrit :
> > Salut,
> > Je bosse pour I Wheel Share , la communauté des
> > bons plans handicap.
> >
> > Nous sortons aujourd'hui même un chatbot pour Facebook Messenger, à
> > tester de toute urgence : http://m.me/iwheelshare
> > (merci par avance aux trolls de Facebook, c'est pas libre, ça pue, je
> > suis au courant ^^)
> > L'outil permet, dans cette première version bêta, de repérer les
> > toilettes alentour.
> > Plus de détails sur le projet
> >  toilettes-accessibles-autour-de/>
> >
> > Les données sont issues de l'accessibility.cloud
> >  qui lui même pompe ses données de diverses
> > sources dont, je vous le donne en mille, la principale est OSM.
> > D'ailleurs c'est la même équipe qui développe l'accessibility.cloud et
> > Wheelmap.org 
> >
> > Nous avons créé pas mal de données liées à l'accessibilité des toilettes
> > ces derniers temps sur Paris cf. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tnT
> >
> > On tape essentiellement dans les tags suivants :
> > wheelchair=yes;no;limited
> > toilets:wheelchair=yes;no;limited
> > et aussi un tag un peu plus exotique wheelchair:description=*, proposé
> > par Wheelmap, qui précise l'accessibilité par un commentaire en language
> > naturel
> >
> > On se focalise pour l'instant sur les grandes chaînes de
> > restaurants/hôtel type starbucks et macdo en appelant systématiquement
> > les gérants pour leur demander l'accessibilité de leur établissement.
> > On demande : êtes-vous accessibles ? Y a-t-il une marche à l'entrée ?
> > (pour confirmer la première question) Est-ce que vos toilettes sont
> > adaptées pour les fauteuils roulants ?
> >
> > On bosse sur Paris mais on a besoin de votre aide pour amplifier le
> > mouvement partout où c'est possible. Vous nous aidez ?
> > Il suffit d'installer l'appli mobile Android / iOS / site web Wheelmap
> >  et de sortir de chez soi
> !
> >
> > Go go l'équipe handicap !
> >
> > --
> >
> > *Florian Lainez*
> >
> > @overflorian 
> >
> >
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[Talk-is] StreetComplete áminning

[Svavar Kjarrval]

Sælt veri fólkið.

Vil minna fólk á Android-forritið StreetComplete sem getur verið mjög
gagnlegt til þess að skrá inn tilteknar upplýsingar um hluti sem eru
komnir inn á OpenStreetMap. Þá getur maður gengið um og fengið upp
spurningar um ýmis fyrirbæri í nágrenninu sem maður getur síðan svarað.
Áherslan er samt lögð á einfaldleika upplýsinganna sem maður þyrfti að
afla. Breytingarnar eru settar inn gegnum OSM aðgang hvers og eins
þannig að viðkomandi þarf að skrá sig inn í gegnum forritið til að
breytingarnar fari inn.

Til að mynda hef ég verið að fylla inn upplýsingar um hvort einstaka
strætóbiðstöðvar eru með biðskýli eða ekki. Síðan eru aðrar tegundir
spurninga eins og hversu mörgum hjólum sé hægt að leggja á
hjólreiðastæði, hversu margar hæðir hús hefur, hvers kyns gangbraut er
um að ræða, og hvort boðið sé upp á salernisaðgengi á tilteknum stað.
Til að sjá fleiri dæmi um spurningar er hægt að skoða
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete/Quests . Þetta gæti
verið gagnlegt fyrir fólk sem er að leita að tylliástæðu til þess að
fara út í göngutúr. ;)

Nýlega var bætt við þeirri virkni í forritið að fólk getur hunsað
tilteknar spurningar og einnig sett forgangsröðun á þær. Hvet fólk til
þess að kíkja á forritið og þau sem hafa þegar kíkt á það að prófa það
aftur.

Forritið er fáanlegt í Play Store á þessari slóð:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.westnordost.streetcomplete

Með kveðju,
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Re: [Talk-hr] OSM Meetup

[Borut Maricic]

Možda da taj susret netko od vas unese u kalendar,
tako da i drugi po svijetu mogu vidjeti da se i u
Zagrebu oko OSM-a nešto događa:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Calendar

Tako će to onda automatski biti vidljivo na WeeklyOSM
(ovdje na engleskom:
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/
ovdje na njemačkom:
http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/author/wochennotizteam/

Možda je to prilika da se usvoji neki redoviti susret
tipa "kvartalno, svake prve srijede u mjesecu" ili
štogod slično. (Na wikiju je u principu lako napraviti
i stranicu susreta, s najavama tema i kratkim
izvještajima/zaključcima s prethodnih susreta.)

(Ja nisam u Zagrebu, a brinem o sličnim susretima u
Leobenu, Austrija, pa mi je to dosta :) no mislim,
ako je tako nešto dugotrajno ostvarivo u sredinama
od dvadesetak tisuća ljudi, onda je valjda i u Zagrebu.


On 2017-12-03 23:54, hbogner wrote:

Naknadno sam vidio da se 13.12.2017. održava GeoMeetup Zagreb i to na
faksu, pa sam predložio da se ipak tad nađemo, tad će biti više ljudi.

Drago mi je da se na faksu koristi OSM i bilo bi nam drago da se što
veći broj studenata uključi u projekt.

Pozdrav,
Hrvoje Bogner


On 01.12.2017 09:07, Dražen Tutić wrote:
Mogu ponuditi da se sastanak održi na Geodetskom fakultetu. Bilo bi 
dobro studente povezati s HrOSM zajednicom, s obzirom na to da sve 
više koristimo OSM u nastavi. A i naš OSGL ima želju uspostaviti 
kontakte i zajedničke aktivnosti s HrOSM-om.



U srijedu 6.12. to bi mogao tek od 19 sati.


Lijepi pozdrav,

Dražen Tutić



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Ima li zainteresiranih za sastanak u srijedu 6.12.2017. u cca 18h?
Ja više nisam u ZG pa mi je teško organizirati sastanke. Ima li
zaintereisanih u Zagrebu za organizaciju?




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[Talk-it] Scuola di lavorazione del legno

[Simone Saviolo]

Ciao a tutti,

come taggare una scuola per la lavorazione del legno? Ne ho già trovate due
in Monferrato e ora vorrei segnarle.

Grazie,

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Re: [Talk-de] Kartendienst „finde.cash!“ und anonyme (Teil-) Edits

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 4. Dec 2017, at 09:52, Nils Vierus  wrote:
> 
> Wie ist Eure Meinung zu einem Proxy-User für finde.cash?


vielleicht wäre es besser, dass nur notes   erstellt werden, falls der user 
nicht angemeldet ist.


Gruß,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

[Andrew Hain]

I would suggest that this is part of a wider malaise that the mission of the 
wiki has become unclear.

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From: Roland Olbricht 
Sent: 04 December 2017 08:42:46
To: osm-talk
Subject: [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

Hi all,

We recently had an experienced and productive community member, Ilya,
putting a lot of time in a Wiki Proposal just to see the whole process
fail. Given the feedback from the process, this has been due to a whole
bunch of hard-to-control problems
- the whole thing has been too complex
- the wording did cause misunderstandings
- attempt to discuss the matter in an unsuitable medium

If even an experienced member cannot handle the process then we should
reconsider whether the process of Wiki Proposals makes sense at all.

I suggest to replace the Proposal process by three more specialized
and therefore much simpler processes. They are structured by what they
can affect.

In particular, the discussion should go to better suited places than the
infamous Wiki page discussion shadow pages:

Ilya complained that at the wiki discussion page turned into a complete
mess of "56K text". I do agree that the wiki page is a hard-to-read
mess, but yet it has only the content of 10-30 messages.
There had even been expressed deprecation that the discussion spilled
into the voting section because it is so difficult to read.

For comparison: My mail client currently handles more than 100'000
messages and is still fast and comfortable to use. Even in the forum
where users are stuck with what the web interface allows, it is easy to
have discussions with some hundred responses.

This should remind us that the wiki discussion facility is unsuited for
any nontrivial discussion but it disguises as sufficient discussion
facility.

Note that on the same time there is a group of 350 community members
who have indicated to be interested in public transport. Ilya stated as
a reson that the corresponding mailing list has "less than 3 messages"
per month. The content equivalence of "3 messages" on a wiki discussion
page already would make the impression of a heated discussion.
Apparently the wiki discussion pages have distracted him from the real
audience.

Please note:
It does not make sense to discuss the redesign of one communication
channel in another communication channel. But the wiki does not have a
suitable place to discuss the issue. Hence I cross-post to the forum to
at least reach also a large portion of the less tech-savvy community
members.

I suggest the following three specialized replacements for the Proposal
process:

=== Distinguished Documentation ===

OSM could profit in a lot of cases from a good how-to map for particular
subjects. But at the same time exists poor documentation and people do
not necessary know which to trust. Writing a good documentation will
become more rewarding if we can offer a process to indicate general
acclaim and distinguish excellent documentation.

The voting confirms that the claims of the documentation reflect actual
mapping practice. That way, it makes the effort a distinguished
documentation.

It des not affect any existing wiki pages.
It does not affect the OSM database.

=== Wiki Cleanup ===

Amongst the real problems of OSM is that our wiki documentation has lots
of poorly maintained pages. There exist even contradictions between
different pages. For an unexperienced users it is difficult to figure
out which wiki pages are really applicable.

We need a decision process which of the contradictive statements can be
discarded. The hurdles should not be too high because we generally do
have too few maintenance of the wiki content. Nonetheless, as this does
give some rulesets a spin in favour of others, it should be subject to a
voting.

There should be left a success notice after the cleanup has actually
been done.

The document must state which wiki pages are considered authoriative.
It should state which wiki pages are to be changed.
It can list the used tags, tagging combinations, or data constellations
that are in scope of the document at all.
It should state which used tags, tagging combinations, or data
constellations will after the change newly contradict the wiki.

Affects the wiki.
Does not affect the OSM database.

=== Tag Disambiguation ===

Sometimes different people tag different types of objects with the same
tags. This is a problem because you do no longer know what is really
there. It is the core concern of the old Proposal process.
Given that backwards compatbility is nowadays an important virtue,
the preferred solution is to add an extra tag to distinguish the
different situations.

The voting is to check that the disambiguation is logically sound
and that it covers the vast majority of applicable constellations.

Affects the wiki: the description of the affected tags and tag
combinations are changed.
Affect the OSM database: mappers are adviced to systematically change

Re: [Talk-de] Kartendienst „finde.cash!“ und anonyme (Teil-) Edits

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

die meisten Automaten sind ja immer zugänglich, und meistens haben die atm auch 
keine Öffnungszeiten getaggt (hier zumindest), würdet Ihr trotzdem empfehlen, 
da immer 24/7 zu taggen?

Wertest Du in der Karte auch Öffnungszeiten von umschließenden Objekten aus, 
sofern diese denselben layer oder level haben (oder vielleicht Umschließendes 
hat keinen layer/level)  (z.B. in Einkaufszentren oder U-Bahnhöfen gut möglich, 
dass es da implizite Öffnungszeiten gibt). Falls nicht, wäre das ne Anregung. 
Evtl. auch site-relations.

Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Candidature a coordinatori regionali OSM 2018

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 02/12/2017 12:05, Federico Leva (Nemo) ha scritto:
I soci OSM Italia/WMI possono candidarsi a coordinatore regionale o 
nazionale OSM entro il 12 dicembre.


Ricordo che i sei coordinatori regionali OSM sono elencati alla pagina 
.


Federico



Salve a tutti,
il 2018 per OSM si preannuncia denso di opportunità.
Dopo FOSS4G a metà febbraio seguirà a marzo, a Torino, merge-it 
(https://merge-it.net/) e il grande appuntamento di State of the Map a 
Milano a fine luglio.


Questi sono gli appuntamenti per la comunità.
Ci saranno ovviamente gli appuntamenti in giro per l'Italia a partire 
dall'11 gennaio a Perugia presso UniPG e penso molti altri se ne 
aggiungeranno.


Ci sono poi in ballo diversi progetti e altri che ci sono stati proposti 
ma che per ora attendono una risposta.
Abbiamo quindi bisogno di supporto a livello locale, è per questo che 
periodicamente lanciamo una call. Non è richiesto un impegno fisso e vi 
saranno rimborsate le spese.
La precedente call è andata deserta, mi auguro che l'attuale abbia una 
buona risposta.


Per qualsiasi info scrivetemi pure.

Happy mapping e arrivederdi a FOSS4G-IT2018 (se non prima).

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

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[Talk-in] State of the Map Asia 2017 Conference Report

[Sajjad Anwar]

Hey everyone -

I wanted to share the conference report

published by Kathmandu Living Labs and OSM Nepal community on this year's
SOTM Asia. The conference was amazing, with over 170 participants from
countries around the world.

We look forward to hosting 2018 in Bangalore - I'll have more news about
dates and venue in soon!

Sajjad
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Re: [OSM-talk] prolific vandalism by a single user

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 04.12.2017 04:57, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Keep an eye out on http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Zowie%20Polie/history

I had already cautioned them twice for creating objects named "Zowie
Polie" and other bad edits. I'll now revert everything you haven't
reverted already and block them for longer.

Bye
Frederik

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[Talk-de] Kartendienst „finde.cash!“ und anonyme (Teil-) Edits

[Nils Vierus]

Hallo,

nach der Vorstellung meiner KartenApp finde.cash! vor einigen Wochen hier auf 
[talk-de] und einer anschliessenden Diskussion über das Mapping von 
Geldautomaten sowie ihrer Zuordnung zu Geldautomaten-Verbünden habe ich jetzt 
die Funktionsweise meiner KartenApp detaillierter im Wiki 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Nils_V) beschrieben. Ich habe dafür 
auch die von Harald bereits gezeigten Statistiken aktualisert und ausgewertet. 
Im neuen Release 0.9.6 werden die drei Attribute operator, name und brand so 
verwendet, wie im Wiki beschrieben.

Zu einer weiteren geplanten Anpassung der Kartenapp möchte ich hier gern noch 
Feedback einholen: zum anonymen Edit der Öffnungszeiten (Attribut: 
opening_hours) von Geldautomaten bzw. Bankfilialen. -

Kurz zur Erläuterung: Die Information "Aktuell geöffnet ja/nein" ist durch die 
Farbe des Marker-Icons (grün: geöffnet, rot: geschlossen) auf der Karte sofort 
erkennbar. Es ist auch sofort erkennbar, ob überhaupt Öffnungszeiten 
eingetragen sind (falls nicht: schwarzes Icon). Mit dieser Visualisierung 
möchte ich die Eintragung fehlender Öffnungszeiten befördern.

Eine weitere Erleichterung beabsichtige ich - wie erwähnt - durch den Verzicht 
auf eine OSM-Anmeldung. Dabei soll opening_hours (bzw. in einem späteren 
Schritt auch opening_hours:atm) das einzige Attribut bleiben, das ohne 
Anmeldung geändert werden kann. Alle übrigen Änderungen (Neuanlage, Korrektur 
der genauen geograf. Position sowie Löschung) sind nach wie vor nur nach 
Anmeldung in OSM möglich.

Die Idee kam mir durch die weelmap App, aber ich weiss auch, dass die 
wheelmap-Funktionen hier kontrovers diskutiert werden.

Wie ist Eure Meinung zu einem Proxy-User für finde.cash?

Danke vorab fürs Feedback und viele Grüße
Nils


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[OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

[Roland Olbricht]

Hi all,

We recently had an experienced and productive community member, Ilya,
putting a lot of time in a Wiki Proposal just to see the whole process 
fail. Given the feedback from the process, this has been due to a whole 
bunch of hard-to-control problems

- the whole thing has been too complex
- the wording did cause misunderstandings
- attempt to discuss the matter in an unsuitable medium

If even an experienced member cannot handle the process then we should 
reconsider whether the process of Wiki Proposals makes sense at all.


I suggest to replace the Proposal process by three more specialized
and therefore much simpler processes. They are structured by what they 
can affect.


In particular, the discussion should go to better suited places than the 
infamous Wiki page discussion shadow pages:


Ilya complained that at the wiki discussion page turned into a complete 
mess of "56K text". I do agree that the wiki page is a hard-to-read 
mess, but yet it has only the content of 10-30 messages.
There had even been expressed deprecation that the discussion spilled 
into the voting section because it is so difficult to read.


For comparison: My mail client currently handles more than 100'000 
messages and is still fast and comfortable to use. Even in the forum 
where users are stuck with what the web interface allows, it is easy to 
have discussions with some hundred responses.


This should remind us that the wiki discussion facility is unsuited for 
any nontrivial discussion but it disguises as sufficient discussion 
facility.


Note that on the same time there is a group of 350 community members
who have indicated to be interested in public transport. Ilya stated as 
a reson that the corresponding mailing list has "less than 3 messages" 
per month. The content equivalence of "3 messages" on a wiki discussion 
page already would make the impression of a heated discussion. 
Apparently the wiki discussion pages have distracted him from the real 
audience.


Please note:
It does not make sense to discuss the redesign of one communication 
channel in another communication channel. But the wiki does not have a 
suitable place to discuss the issue. Hence I cross-post to the forum to 
at least reach also a large portion of the less tech-savvy community 
members.


I suggest the following three specialized replacements for the Proposal 
process:


=== Distinguished Documentation ===

OSM could profit in a lot of cases from a good how-to map for particular 
subjects. But at the same time exists poor documentation and people do 
not necessary know which to trust. Writing a good documentation will 
become more rewarding if we can offer a process to indicate general 
acclaim and distinguish excellent documentation.


The voting confirms that the claims of the documentation reflect actual 
mapping practice. That way, it makes the effort a distinguished 
documentation.


It des not affect any existing wiki pages.
It does not affect the OSM database.

=== Wiki Cleanup ===

Amongst the real problems of OSM is that our wiki documentation has lots 
of poorly maintained pages. There exist even contradictions between 
different pages. For an unexperienced users it is difficult to figure 
out which wiki pages are really applicable.


We need a decision process which of the contradictive statements can be 
discarded. The hurdles should not be too high because we generally do 
have too few maintenance of the wiki content. Nonetheless, as this does 
give some rulesets a spin in favour of others, it should be subject to a 
voting.


There should be left a success notice after the cleanup has actually 
been done.


The document must state which wiki pages are considered authoriative.
It should state which wiki pages are to be changed.
It can list the used tags, tagging combinations, or data constellations 
that are in scope of the document at all.
It should state which used tags, tagging combinations, or data 
constellations will after the change newly contradict the wiki.


Affects the wiki.
Does not affect the OSM database.

=== Tag Disambiguation ===

Sometimes different people tag different types of objects with the same 
tags. This is a problem because you do no longer know what is really 
there. It is the core concern of the old Proposal process.

Given that backwards compatbility is nowadays an important virtue,
the preferred solution is to add an extra tag to distinguish the 
different situations.


The voting is to check that the disambiguation is logically sound
and that it covers the vast majority of applicable constellations.

Affects the wiki: the description of the affected tags and tag 
combinations are changed.
Affect the OSM database: mappers are adviced to systematically change 
tags in the course of local maintenance.


=== Remarks ===

There are other purposes advertised on the pages of the Proposal 
process. Most notably an invitation for general discussion.


I do discourage them.
From all the