Re: [talk-au] Anything remapping an armchair mapper can help with in Australia?
On 28/06/2012 10:28 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: OSM HAS MADE THE CHOICE TO EXCLUDE MY CONTRIBUTIONS. Now that the decisions have been made, the trenches have been dug, and there is absolutely no possibility of anyone changing their mind: could all the decliners please just go away already? ___ What an excellent idea! I've just found out how to unsubscribe from this list, and there seems to be a way to unsubscribe from OSM as well. I am getting tired of having my inbox filled with e-mails that amount to classroom bullying, simply because I choose not to agree with the way the new CT's were pushed. Richard C. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
No! Wrong! I've never actually declined at all. I have just never accepted the new CT's. I didn't decline because I wasn't asked. From my point of view, there wasn't _*any*_ communication directly with the mappers. I knew about the changes *only *because I am on the Talk-Au list. OSM never contacted me, and until quite late in the story, I didn't even get any advice about the change when I logged on to make edits. I followed the discussion with much interest, and only decided not to accept the new CT's when I observed the rudeness with which the objections were handled. The recent spate of correspondence has done nothing to make me reconsider. Richard On 31/03/2012 7:03 PM, Simon Poole wrote: Richard while IMHO communications in OSM and out of OSM leave much to desire, in the case of the licence change there has been a substantial amount of communication to the mappers. The only reason I can see for you -not- getting a mail from the OSMF early on, is that you must have practically immediately declined when that became possible. And I assume the reasoning at that point in time was that as a decliner you were already informed about the issues and didn't need the OSMF pointing out something you already knew about. Simon Am 31.03.2012 04:59, schrieb Richard Colless: I did decline the new terms. And I was contacted, as I said, just once, by someone trying to persuade me to change my mind. My point was that OSM never contacted me to say that a licence change was being considered. That is hardly the right way to go about making a major change to the system. I also take issue with this statement: Declining hurts fellow Australian mappers who have in good faith build data on-top of your contributions and will leave animosity between our projects. Don't try blaming decliners for the hurt to other mappers. If anyone built up on my edits, and their work gets deleted as a result, blame OSM, not the members who declined. Richard On 31/03/2012 12:36 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: Hi Richard, Like or loathe the licence change, and the manner it has been pursued, sure. But I really don't think anyone in OSM has tried to keep the knowledge of the licence change quiet. I think a fair few people have been trying to get in touch with as many people as possible. I've personally tried contacting Australian contributors individually who haven't accepted or declined, and who haven't edited for a while. These are the people who may not be engaged with the community any longer, and who actually may not know about the licence change. Did you decline the licence change? Because if you did, I'd have assumed that you knew about it and were aware of the discussion, and therefore didn't need to be contacted. Thanks, Ian. On 31 March 2012 09:14, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au mailto:fire...@ar.com.au wrote: Thank you, John. I couldn't have expressed it better. Throughout this whole sorry story, I have only ever received ONE communication form OSM. It was a begging letter asking me to reconsider. If not for the discussion of the forum, I would not have even known about the licence change. AI think that shows how much OSM cares about keeping contributors informed about changes. Richard On 31/03/2012 7:43 AM, John Smith wrote: On 31 March 2012 01:54, Grant Slateropenstreet...@firefishy.com mailto:openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Australian Decliners, As a mapper, contributor and member of the project's sysadmin team I kindly ask you to please reconsider your declined status. Time is about to run out. You and others didn't care about us, told us to go away as we were insignificant and our issue were unimportant and now you come begging for us to reconsider. Perhaps the whole license issue should be reconsidered, after all you are the one throwing out the baby with the bath water, you are choosing to do this, not us, perhaps you should choose to call the whole thing off. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
On 1/04/2012 10:08 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Richard Collessfire...@ar.com.au wrote: I followed the discussion with much interest, and only decided not to accept the new CT's when I observed the rudeness with which the objections were handled. The recent spate of correspondence has done nothing to make me reconsider. Hi Richard, I think we can all agree that the communications skills of the OSMF, and senior OSM people, leave much to be desired. Pretty much everything about the licence changeover was crappy. But I think declining the CTs is taking out your resentment on the wrong people. By not allowing your contributions to be part of OSM, you mostly hurt the people for whom we're all doing this: the wider open content community, and all the individuals who will benefit in many different ways from high quality, open maps. I'm not taking out any resentment on anybody. I'm simply choosing not to participate. So don't say that I'm hurting anybody.. I'm quite happy for any of my data to remain. If someone else chooses to delete it, blame them for any hurt, not me. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
On 1/04/2012 2:16 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Richard Collessfire...@ar.com.au wrote: I'm not taking out any resentment on anybody. I'm simply choosing not to participate. So don't say that I'm hurting anybody.. I'm quite happy for any of my data to remain. If someone else chooses to delete it, blame them for any hurt, not me. I haven't heard from you regarding your API screen name or registration email, so I can't provide any details about when LWG attempted to contact you. LWG attempted to contact every data contributor. Individual mappers have reached out to other local mappers as well. I can't guess why you didn't see an email but I'll look into it if you'd like to find out. Other mappers have run into the following: - they don't check that email any more. - their email changed but they didn't update the contact email at osm.org - email was received and diverted by a spam filter - perhaps others that I don't recall at the moment I'm really not that concerned as to why I didn't receive any e-mails. My reason for declining the new CT's is the disgraceful way that OSM has treated mappers. I'll put my mapping efforts into somewhere more worthwhile. As to your suggestions: My e-mail address has remained the same for the last 15 years or so I run several junk filters, and check their contents for incorrect diversions before I delete them Any other guesses? Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
Thank you, John. I couldn't have expressed it better. Throughout this whole sorry story, I have only ever received ONE communication form OSM. It was a begging letter asking me to reconsider. If not for the discussion of the forum, I would not have even known about the licence change. AI think that shows how much OSM cares about keeping contributors informed about changes. Richard On 31/03/2012 7:43 AM, John Smith wrote: On 31 March 2012 01:54, Grant Slateropenstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Australian Decliners, As a mapper, contributor and member of the project's sysadmin team I kindly ask you to please reconsider your declined status. Time is about to run out. You and others didn't care about us, told us to go away as we were insignificant and our issue were unimportant and now you come begging for us to reconsider. Perhaps the whole license issue should be reconsidered, after all you are the one throwing out the baby with the bath water, you are choosing to do this, not us, perhaps you should choose to call the whole thing off. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] i presume university western sydney
On 4/02/2011 9:07 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Christian%20Nold/diary/12968 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au Correct, Elizabeth. Penrith is one of several campuses scattered around Sydney. The Penrith campus is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.77151lon=150.74293zoom=15 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.77151lon=150.74293zoom=15 I would have thought it was already well mapped. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Does this mean?.....
On 21/12/2010 2:04 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Since taking a photo of something entails little or no "independent intellectual effort", On 21 December 2010 13:08, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: In what context? Obviously artistic photography is copyrightable. And even non-artistic photography... However, this case draws a real distinction between the human process of originality, and an automated process according to a set of rules. I've no doubt that if I take a photo out of an aeroplane window that copyright subsists in that photo. However, it would be interesting to see what the courts would now make of a satellite taking photos automatically according to a standard process of the earths surface. Ian. Having just completed my Certificate IV photography course, I can assure you that any photo taken for private purposes is immediately copyright to the photographer. Photos taken for commercial purposes are also copyright, but usually to the person/organisation that commissioned the work. Even then, the photographer retains "moral copyright", i.e., the right to be credited if the photo is published. It's all specifically covered in the Copyright Act. Satellite photos would probably be copyright to the organisation that commissioned the photos, because the Copyright Act makes no distinction as to what type of camera or how it is operated. Richard C. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
Do you have any suggestions on how contours should be marked? eg every 10m elevation, or 5 or 50 or ... ? In regard to contours, the maps from Contours Australia work really well. For Garmin devices, they can be downloaded concurrently with OSM maps. I have been using them in this way in my Etrex for about 6 months now. Richard C. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] T-Shirts
John Smith wrote: On 23 May 2010 21:50, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: interested, I don't have any designs in mind, or any other planning. Thanks to Sam for pointing out this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tshirt_competition Also Harvey Norman via fujifilmimagine.com will do full colour printing on shirts for $30 and you get free delivery to your nearest store, which seems to be the best full colour printing deal to me without a lot of volume. You can also buy a special "Iron-On Transfer" paper at specialist paper supply shops, and print your own design, using any standard inkjet printer. Works really well, as long as you remember to mirror-reverse any text. Works out at a couple of dollars per transfer, and is a great way to test out prototype designs. Richard C. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] T-Shirts
John Smith wrote: On 25 May 2010 19:39, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: You can also buy a special "Iron-On Transfer" paper at specialist paper supply shops, and print your own design, using any standard inkjet printer. Works really well, as long as you remember to mirror-reverse any text. Works out at a couple of dollars per transfer, and is a great way to test out prototype designs. I thought that the transfers don't last very long? They are reasonably durable if they are hand washed rather than machine washed. My wife has some personalised Bonds Cottontails that are now about 2 years old and still looking good. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging stormwater drain areas?
Liz wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Incidentally, to make sure I'm understanding what we're talking about, you're talking about an area where water runs *into*, in order to seep into the soil? That would be a "retention basin" I think, and these drains have exits as far as i understand Most retention basins still have exits. During light rain water flows out the exit. When rainfall is really heavy, the exit doesn't cope, and the water backs up and fills the retention basin. It later drains away, either into the soil or through the exit channel/pipe/drain. The exits are deliberately made small to hold the water back and prevent flooding downstream. (Source - a friend who used to work for the Water Board) Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
John Smith wrote: This roundabout seems decorative to me http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-35.921013,145.647941z=21t=knmd=20100122 It's obviously designed to co-ordinate with the herringbone pattern in the adjacent parking lot. :-) Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
Liz wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Ben Kelley wrote: This is currently a real roundabout in OSM, but local knowledge tells me that it is impossible to go around more than about 90 degrees 270 degrees at this intersection. That is, from any approach, you can turn left or right. For most vehicles, the roundabout is not big enough to go back the way you came (180 degrees). 360 degrees just being picky No, 180 degrees. If a vehicle makes a 360 degree turn, it continues on its original direction. Just being really picky! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
John Kitchener wrote: For me, the single most relevant issue is how does a mini roundabout display with Garmin turn by voice routing? From memory (I havent played with it recently), a mini roundabout works in Garmin as a standard cross street. This is quite confusing when presented with a real round-about. Mini roundabouts are unacceptable in my opinion. John K My Garmin doesn't have voice routing (Etrex Legend, for bushwalking), but it does do text-prompted navigation. Mini-roundabouts behave like a standard cross street - "Turn left at Dunwick Avenue". Mini-roundabouts even appear the same as a cross street on the display If a mini-roundabout conveys no useful information, why waste time putting it on the map? Richard. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
John Smith wrote: On 25 April 2010 00:33, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: This is definitely not a mini_roundabout even if we had such in Australia which has previously been agreed we don't have them. I wasn't in on that discussion. If we don't have them in Australia, then what are they? I always thought they were those piddling little things where councils were too stingy to do anything more than paint a circle on the road. Every so often I correct ones that are obviously a bit more than that. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
John Smith wrote: On 10 April 2010 17:42, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: certainly there is now an M1 sign on the Hume Highway, just south of the Illawarra Highway turnoff, and it still costs zilch. 1 or 31? And does it really have an "M"? Most signs on the Hume simply have "31" in a shield logo. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
I don't control the software generating the GPS data. I use the downloads from OSM Australia. It's not just the navigation. The display doesn't show the correct names either. John Smith wrote: On 8 April 2010 22:13, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: I was using my GPS to navigate to an unfamiliar street today. Part of the Instead of altering data to make your GPS to work, why not alter the software generating the GPS data to use information from relations, otherwise you are (incorrectly) tagging for your software/device. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
No, it's called the M5 motorway from where it starts near the airport right through to a point a few kilometres SW of Liverpool. There are signs saying "M5 motorway" right along this section, and at the end of the motorway there is a sign that says "Thank you for travelling on the M5". At that point, its designation changes to F5 - F for Freeway, meaning no toll. The section east of King Georges Rd is referred to as "M5 East", but only for traffic reports. It was opened many years after the original M5. None of the signage includes the "East" descriptor. The M4 motorway has just ceased to be a toll road (a few weeks ago), but as far as I know, there are no plans to change its numerical description. Richard. John Smith wrote: On 8 April 2010 22:13, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: I had a look at the M5, and there is no "name" tag. Naming is only done via relations, which I'm not familiar with, and I'm not going to alter. Is it OK to simply add a "name=M5" to all sections of the motorway? I also looked at I don't think this is correct, I thought it was called the South West Motorway? I thought only the section east of King Goerges Rd had M5 in the name? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Missing Motorway names
I was using my GPS to navigate to an unfamiliar street today. Part of the route included the M5 motorway in southwest Sydney. Usually, the message on the GPS reads "East on Brown Street" or "Brown Street to Greens Road". However, while on the M5, the message simply read "East on road". Not very informative - usually only occurs on streets that haven't been named yet. I had a look at the M5, and there is no "name" tag. Naming is only done via relations, which I'm not familiar with, and I'm not going to alter. Is it OK to simply add a "name=M5" to all sections of the motorway? I also looked at the M4, and it has similar coding, but I haven't tried navigating on it, so I don't know how it will come up on a GPS. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Floodways ?
I've used waterway=drain for some of the other waterways in this area - scroll north a bit from Franc's map to see the drain that runs between Dunn Street and Topham Road. That's a real drain - even looks like the picture in the Wiki. But I assume Franc is referring to the large grassed area between the blocks of houses. They don't look like drains at all. And they are very common in the Macarthur region. Richard John Smith wrote: On 5 April 2010 21:57, Franc Carter franc.car...@intersect.org.au wrote: Hi, What if anything have people been using to map 'floodways', i.e channels that are design to retain water in high rainfall times., e.g I've mostly used waterway=drain http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Ddrain ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Floodways ?
Yes, but how would you map them? The ones at Narellan are about 50 metres wide, and I know of others that are wider. Too wide for a single line like a concrete drain. John Smith wrote: On 6 April 2010 18:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: the blocks of houses. They don't look like drains at all. And they are very common in the Macarthur region. They're storm water drains, just not concrete ones... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations
John Smith wrote: Or at least getting them to tag what is signed, I've never seen a "Saint George" bank, but I've seen plenty of St George banks... and people changed the town of St George to Saint George... If you are correcting the bank name, it is actually "St.George" - includes the full stop, but no spaces. Check their website. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
I've checked and corrected 6 servos in my area (Campbelltown, NSW). Only 1811 to go. That includes putting two service roads into ones that are on a corner. I found that corrected the navigation problem we had in an earlier thread. Richard C. John Smith wrote: On 8 February 2010 21:48, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: This link has a download for Caltex and Caltex Woolworths servos, in CSV format: http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx All 1817 points were added to the database, although there were 9 pairs of points that shared the same location even though the address details given were different, bad geocoding... http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3840216 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
David Murn wrote: All 1817 points were added to the database, although there were 9 pairs of points that shared the same location even though the address details given were different, bad geocoding... I must have missed it, but was permission granted by the content owners, or is someone hoping to use OSM in a legal testcase? David Actually, the data on OSM is not the same as what is on the original database - different GPS coordinates, some spelling differences etc, which can be readily demonstrated. A test case probably wouldn't get very far. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fixing ABS boundaries?
Sam Wilson wrote: So the ABS defines boundaries with coordinates, then? Rather than roads etc. (as, say, electoral boundaries are defined)? You're quite right, there's no reason to change the ABS data if it is, by definition, correct. I guess I'd just been thinking that it was probably supposed to match the roads. The ABS boundaries were defined many years ago, usually by some form of surveying data based on existing roads, watercourses etc.. But in a lot of cases, the roads which were originally used have been moved, in some cases by tens of metres. The ABS boundaries have never been updated. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
That would have to go into a supplementary field that appears on the GPS. I tried doing this for my local servos. The only ones that have any supplementary info are the BP servos. (On the Etrex, I can get the info by "clicking" on the selected servo). The BP's just show the phone number. I don't know if the mapping can be adjusted to show other fields - maybe Matt from OSM Aus could answer that. Richard David Murn wrote: On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 23:06 +1100, Richard Colless wrote: But that probably won't show up when you do a waypoint search - it certainly won't on my Etrex. So the best coding is using "name=Coles Express" or "name=Woolworths discount" (or whatever the Woolies ones are called). That show up as soon as you do a search for Fuel services. Thats fine if youre looking for a place that accepts woolworths cards, but what about if you have a caltex or shell card and want to search for someone who'll take that. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
This link has a download for Caltex and Caltex Woolworths servos, in CSV format: http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx Anyone care to add it to the database? That one's outside my skills at this stage. Richard John Smith wrote: On 8 February 2010 20:32, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: The topic was someone using OSM maps on his GPS during a visit to Canberra, and having difficulty finding a service station that would take his wallet full of fuel discount vouchers. Well Coles Express locations exist now in the DB, just need Woolworths locations and any independent servos in Canberra and he'll be able to try again next time :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
But that probably won't show up when you do a waypoint search - it certainly won't on my Etrex. So the best coding is using "name=Coles Express" or "name=Woolworths discount" (or whatever the Woolies ones are called). That show up as soon as you do a search for Fuel services. Richard Steve Bennett wrote: Point is, you don't care which of several schemes a servo belongs to. What you care about is "will they accept my docket"? Suggestion: fuel:woolworths_discount=yes fuel:coles_discount=yes ... Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
Not so, John. We regularly shop at Woolworths, and when our grocery bill (or LiquorLand purchase) is more than $30, we get a fuel discount voucher printed on the bottom of the docket. We don't use loyalty cards/ Richard John Henderson wrote: John Smith wrote: fuel:shopper_docket=yes ? discount is too ambiguous, discount for what? Most Woolies customers no longer receive a docket entitling them to fuel discount. It's all done by scanning the "Everyday Rewards" plastic card. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
The easiest is operator =Shell, name = Coles Express Campbelltown (discount voucher) or operator - Shell , name = Shell Luddenham (no vouchers). This is in accord with the actual trading names. I think there is a similar situation for Woolworths/Caltex servos. Richard. John Smith wrote: On 6 February 2010 09:31, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Most Woolies customers no longer receive a docket entitling them to fuel discount. It's all done by scanning the "Everyday Rewards" plastic card. Those that don't want to give their privacy away still get a bar code on a docket. There is also Matilda servos that give you a fuel discount if you purchase bread and milk, David might be on the right track tagging which discount(s) apply... fuel:discount=[woolworths|coles|matilda] ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
I spent a couple of days in Canberra recently. Getting around via the OSM maps was great - everything there and accurate. But, when I wanted to find a church on Sunday morning, I could only find one, and sorry, wrong denomination. Maybe a few more churches (all faiths) could be added to the POI's. Also had a bit of trouble locating a convenient petrol station - a lot were "Unnamed". Not helpful when you have a wallet full of Coles or Woolworths discount vouchers. If you guys fix up Canberra, I'll fix up Campbelltown (NSW) ;-) Richard Ben Last wrote: That I can't say... but in general it averages about two weeks at the moment. Cheers b 2010/1/20 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: nice - that would be a great help... how long before the images are visible? jim On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: If it's helps, NearMap started flying a Canberra survey yesterday. 2010/1/14 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: Canberra seems to be fairly well covered OSM-wise although there are still lots of detail that could be added. But there is one obvious blank bit that might be fun to fill in - the Australian National Botanic Gardens. It is a public place so you do not really have to get permission to wander around, and it has it all: roads, fences, swing gates, boom gates, areas, paths, service roads, several different surface treatments, bridges, buildings, speed bumps, pedestrian crossings, directional signs, interpretive signs, POIs, car parking, parking meters, shared roads, benches, shelters, water bubblers, fire hydrants, standpipes, a shop and importantly, a cafe. And all condensed into a manageable area. Given this concentration of OSM features in microcosm, mapping the ANBG might be a good OSM training ground. What would Canberra OSMers think of this as a map-up project? We could just do it although I think it would be a good idea to talk with the management about it first if it is considered worth doing. Disclaimer. I work there :), which might be a good or a bad thing in terms of negotiating access and support from the organization. For instance a classroom with an internet computer and projector might be useful for training in the editing tools or arguing about (sorry, discussing) presentation features and tags, etc. The place has been surveyed a number of times and it should be possible to get permission to use some of this information. jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ben Last Development Manager (HyperWeb) NearMap Pty Ltd ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Most of Busselton deleted
This could have been an accident, not malicious damage. When I was editing streets in my home suburb, mainly just adding in street names, I needed to cut a street at a node because it changes its name. Somewhere along the way, the street disappeared. When I edited it (using Potlatch), the street was still there, but never showed up in the rendered version. I tried making subtle changes to force it to save the changes but to no avail. I eventually deleted the street entirely, saved the change, and replaced the street (from Yahoo) a few hours later. I suspect Potlatch may have some hidden bugs that only show up under certain odd conditions. I've done a lot of editing (in Potlatch and JOSM) since then, and have never had the same problem. It could be that the problem only occurs when you do a few small changes, save them and wait to see the result - just the sort of thing a novice user would do. Richard John Smith wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com Date: 2 February 2010 17:22 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Most of Busselton deleted To: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Cc: Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com, Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org will do it, no conflicts detected in dry run edit definitely looks destruction done by a newbie please notify the user why this has been done and explain how to edit. On 1 Feb 2010, at 21:54 , John Smith wrote: I've forwarded a copy of your email to the main talk list, some people have scripts to be able to easily revert changes but I don't have anything set up at present. On 2 February 2010 15:45, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone suggest how to deal with this kind of vandalism: Most of Busselton appears to have been deleted by user MAA on 31/1/2010. See following links: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.6573lon=115.3547zoom=12layers=B000FTFT http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MAA/edits http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3756449 Is there an easy way to revert this kind of changeset? Arie ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorrect entry to BP service station
Richard Colless wrote: The route instructions asked me to travel to west to Birch Street, make a right turn, proceed north to Debrincat Avenue, then turn left into Glossop and proceed south to the service station -travel right round the block instead of using the service station entrance in Kurrajong Road. I've put my Garmin Nuvi 1350 into simulation mode, positioned myself near the Kurrajong Boronia Rd intersection, enabled screenshot, and told it to go to the BP POI. I've attached the screenshot. When I run it as a real-time simulation, it takes me to a spot on Kurrajong Rd closest to the servo, and that's it (end of journey). Who's Garmin maps are you using? I made mine using mkgmap. John H Your screenshot is what I expected to get. I'm using the maps downloaded from OSM Australia http://www.osmaustralia.org/index.php. They work well in most instances, although the address search facility is non-existent. I'm running them in a Garmin Etrex Venture CX, so the routing software may be a bit different. Richard C. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorrect entry to BP service station
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Trying to drive or route to disconnected nodes is nonsensical. A question, then: what proportion of OSM POI's are disconnected? Should we be taking steps (in terms of mapping guidelines) to ensure POI nodes and buildings (and anything else likely to be a routing target) are connected to the road grid? Presumably this has come up before - but this question seems to be the key issue here. I've been looking at dozens of POI's, mainly servos, over the last few weeks, checking that mapped locations match with reality. I have yet to find a single one that's actually on a road. The POI location is usually mapped to the middle of the main building. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Incorrect entry to BP service station
I've been testing routing instructions on my Garmin for routes that I use regularly - makes great quality control, as it shows up badly drawn roundabouts, incorrect streets, all sorts of rubbish. A while back I tried to navigate to a BP service station from only a few hundred metres away. You will need to open up this link to understand the problem: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.75907lon=150.7867zoom=17 Keep it open for reference while reading the next few paragraphs, or they won't make sense. I was located at the eastern end of Kurrajong Road, close to the Boronia Road junction. I asked for routing instructions to the BP service station at the intersection of Glossop and Kurrajong. The first time I tried this, the instructions were nonsense, and I found out when I got home that the BP had been placed in the middle of a median strip. I moved it to its correct location when I got home, and tried the test again next time I was in the area. The route instructions asked me to travel to west to Birch Street, make a right turn, proceed north to Debrincat Avenue, then turn left into Glossop and proceed south to the service station -travel right round the block instead of using the service station entrance in Kurrajong Road. There are actual entrances in both Kurrajong and Glossop, and I thought that placing the node near the corner would make the router aware of this, but obviously not. Any suggestions? Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorrect entry to BP service station
John Smith wrote: 2010/1/12 Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au: I thought of that. I just don't like using sledgehammers on walnuts. The service road exists in reality, so it's just a matter of improving the map to reflect reality more closely. In fact a lot of servos have one ways through them, so this additional information can be very useful. I'll put in a couple of service roads and try it out next time I have a delivery pickup in the area. Has anyone else encountered this situation? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Lists of available POI's
I was reading some threads on another forum, and found this link: http://www.poidb.com/default.asp It's the Australian Points of Interest Database. Has all sorts of interesting POI's, including the BP service stations, Woolworths, Aldi and lots of general interest stuff. I downloaded a list of Camping/Rest areas for NSW (546 entries). Could have got the whole of Australia, but I wanted the size to be small to start with. Several file options were available - most I had never heard of, so I selected .GPX. I have the file. Now, how do I upload this stuff into OSM? Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Lists of available POI's
John Smith wrote: 2010/1/9 Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au: I have the file. Now, how do I upload this stuff into OSM? You don't the license is incompatible with OSM... http://www.poidb.com/legal/terms-of-use.asp "No commercial use of this site is permitted. You may use the site for personal, non-commercial purposes only." Thanks John. Had so much trouble trying to download the list in bulk that I didn't go through the rest of the site. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Lists of available POI's
John Smith wrote: 2010/1/9 Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au: Thanks John. Had so much trouble trying to download the list in bulk that I didn't go through the rest of the site. We have most if not all the BP locations imported the other day, most haven't been reviewed, so if you are looking for something to do :) Yeah, right I drive about 1250 km a week, and when I get a chance, I waypoint the BP service stations for later checking. Found one in St Marys (Sydney suburb) that OSM had in the middle of a median strip. In a few cases, OSM has two, the new one from the download and an earlier one with limited data, but usually in the correct place. I fix them when I get time. By the way, the new ones come up on a "Fuel Services" find on the Etrex as "Bp: Bp Express Snuggleville", because the Operator is listed as "BP" and the name is "Bp Express Snuggleville", and the indexing software apparently combines the two. What's the best correction - drop the "BP" from the name? Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
Steve Bennett wrote: Interesting. What strikes me about the street names thing is that in general, there's actually no way to prove it, other than by the person's own admission. Whereas with copyright breach in general, you can show a similarity between two expressions of an idea. But with streets, there is really only one way to express "Thompson St". (Well, two if you count "Street"...) Steve You're right, Steve, there is no way to prove it. What we need to be sure of is that our own actions are ethical, and in the spirit of OSM. I do use a street directory, along with some online sources, to verify street names, or to check spelling. I don't have any qualms about it, and I hope with my explanation that others will feel comfortable also. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW
John Smith wrote: 2010/1/5 Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au: I was testing the Garmin's route instructions on some familiar roads today. Normally it says "SW on Northern Road to Roundabout", followed by "2nd exit on roundabout" or similar. but one part came out as ""SW on Northern Road to Northern Road", which seemed pretty meaningless. Checked the roundabout in question - yes, it is named as "Northern Road". I've deleted the name, and when it gets updated, I'll try that route again. Seems like a good case for not naming roundabouts, though. I doubt that roundabout is named "Northern Road" also most bridges have different names than the roads, these should be tagged properly, rather than left unnamed if there is a name :) The roundabout was named as "The Northern Road" in the OSM data - the same name as the road to the north and south of it. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW
John Smith wrote: 2010/1/6 Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au: The roundabout was named as "The Northern Road" in the OSM data - the same name as the road to the north and south of it. I meant in reality, most roundabouts aren't named, although some are. It's not named in reality either. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
John Henderson wrote: I go to the local tourist information place and start asking for names. They give me a photocopy of a street directory which shows all the names. But this photocopy has a copyright notice. Can I enter names from that page into OSM for the already-mapped ways? I can give you a reasonably clear explanation of the legal concepts behind this one. It's very similar to a problem faced by church choirs, small choral groups etc.. with some kinds of music. Some years ago, I was involved with copyright issues for this situation and we obtained legal advice through a commercial licensing organisation. Suppose I want my choir to sing "Away in a Manger " for a Christmas pageant. I have a published copy of the carol, with words and music.The words were written by "Anon.", and the music (in my copy) was probably written by Martin Luther, so they are both out of copyright. So, can I simply photocopy from the published book? ... No!... Although both words and music are in the public domain, the book publishers hold copyright on what is called the "graphic layout". That simply means the way it is laid out on the printed page - the fonts used (both music and words - yes, music does have various fonts) and things like line spacing, margins, hyphenation and so on. But graphic content is the only thing the publishers hold copyright on. If I use the book as a source, and type up a new copy of the words, or hand-write the music, or even play the music into my synthesiser and use a program to regenerate a printed copy of the music, I am free to print whatever I like. Note that I can't do that for the words and music to "Yellow Submarine". In this case, it is the actual words/music that are under copyright, not just the graphic content. The issue of copying names from a street directory is very similar. The publishers of the directory hold copyright over the graphic layout of the map, but they cannot hold copyright over the street names themselves. Those names are in the public domain. If you look up a street name in the directory, then you now know that name. If you then use it to name a street in an OSM map, you are doing so from your own knowledge, even though you only just acquired that knowledge. However, you may NOT use the printed street directory to trace street outlines in any way - just as in my music example, I could not even make a music copy by using tracing paper. So if all you need is street names,use whatever published source you wish. Just make sure that you only get street names. And whatever you do, don't advertise it, or discuss it in forums. There are always some smart-arse lawyers out there, and none of us really needs to defend our actions in court, even though there is a strong legal basis to do so. Regards, Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW
Liz wrote: Be brave nothing ventured, nothing gained. a circular way (usually) one way (get that bit right) highway=type junction=roundabout may have a name, but not often join the other roads on Following on from this and some earlier discussion about naming roundabouts. I was testing the Garmin's route instructions on some familiar roads today. Normally it says "SW on Northern Road to Roundabout", followed by "2nd exit on roundabout" or similar. but one part came out as ""SW on Northern Road to Northern Road", which seemed pretty meaningless. Checked the roundabout in question - yes, it is named as "Northern Road". I've deleted the name, and when it gets updated, I'll try that route again. Seems like a good case for not naming roundabouts, though. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Invisible POI's
The trip to Timor Caves went well - now have "tourist" POI's for four of the caves, although it's a brave tourist that will use them. Also managed to survey most of the streets of Murrurundi, NSW. During this job, I noticed some interesting POI's. Just North of Murrurundi, there is a speed camera that someone has added. It's visible when in Edit mode (Potlatch or JOSM), but doesn't show in the View mode. It also didn't appear on my Garmin when I approached it. The relevant map is: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.76424lon=150.83552zoom=15 The speed camera is just north of the Pages River Caravan Park (very nice park, we can recommend it to visitors). Surely a speed camera is something you would want to show up on your GPS. Is there anything that can be done to make it appear? I added in a POI for a nearby mountain (Wallabadah Rock - East of Murrurundi), and it appears on the View mode and on the GPS. So does the Shell service station that I added. What's different about a speed camera? Or, for that matter a feature tagged as "cave_entrance" - they don't show up in View mode either? Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout
highway=unclassified good deal of discussion about this so another point of view is "residential" for those industrial area streets and unclassified is a road classification below tertiary in rural areas (there is no conclusion about this, whether this statement starts a long argument or not) While it might be unconcluded by mappers, the thing to remember is a lot of routing software is made by europeans and they classify unclassified above residential, so you might get some funny routing using residential in industrial areas. >From a user's point of view, I would expect to see major roads one colour, secondary roads another colour. I wouldn't expect to see a different colour just because a road goes past factories instead of homes. Do "unclassified" and "residential" both render to the same colour? ..Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout
John Smith wrote: 2009/12/27 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Richard Colless wrote: I was trying out the latest routable OSM maps, and came across a couple of odd items. One was a roundabout where the Etrex told me to go round it in the wrong direction - anti-clockwise. It's the only one that gave me the wrong direction. I find it a bit odd that Fairwater Drive (a divided road) is "tertiary" in one direction and "residential" in the other. I think the only way that would be possible is if the main road was realigned and old sections of the road was left so existing houses could be access. It's not far from my home. I'll have a look at it in the near future Richard. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] railway lines and nearmap
Franc Carter wrote: Hi, Somethng that struck me recently is that in areas with NearMap coverage there is potential to do a much better job of mapping railway lines - i.e lines, sidings etc could be added. What's people opinions on doing so ? cheers I've been driving around some areas that are OSM mapped, but almost devoid of features except the road. I find that having extra non-drivable features makes the map more "comfortable" - gives you confidence in your location. (I've been adding small creeks and dams around SW Sydney). Railway lines would add the same detail, but precise accuracy wouldn't be needed, so they could be added quickly, without detailed surveying. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] railway lines and nearmap
John Smith wrote: 2009/12/26 Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au: What's people opinions on doing so ? More information the better :) Just because it exists in the database doesn't mean it always has to be rendered, different renderings suit different people, which is why the OpenCycleMap tiles exist. I've been driving around some areas that are OSM mapped, but almost devoid of features except the road. I find that having extra non-drivable features makes the map more "comfortable" - gives you confidence in your location. (I've been adding small creeks and dams around SW Sydney). Railway lines would add the same detail, but precise accuracy wouldn't be needed, so they could be added quickly, without detailed surveying. If you do this, just add a note/fixme that the information you add isn't accurately surveyed, otherwise they may assume it has been. How do I do this in Potlatch? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout
I was trying out the latest routable OSM maps, and came across a couple of odd items. One was a roundabout where the Etrex told me to go round it in the wrong direction - anti-clockwise. It's the only one that gave me the wrong direction. I assume that there is something wrong in the way the roundabout has been mapped, but Potlatch doesn't show directions for roundabouts. The roundabout appears here: http://www.osm.org/?lat=-34.03208lon=150.72974zoom=20 Any suggestions on how to fix it? I also was sent around two blocks instead of making a simple left turn to get into a service station, but that was because the BP Connect St Marys had been placed in the middle of a median strip. (I'll fix it this afternoon). More rubbish from the bulk upload? Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Routable maps
Thanks for this info. I downloaded the routable maps last night and tried them out today at work (I'm a delivery driver - gives me lots of opportunity to try out the Etrex). Mostly, the routable maps worked well - gave good point-to-point instructions. I did find one roundabout that asked to go round the wrong way - I will check that out in OSM later. I loaded the maps into the Etrex using Garmin's Mapsource, so the problems with IMG2GPS can be deferred for the moment. Using MapSource also allowed me to load ContoursAustralia at the same time as the OSM maps, so I still have my contour lines. Thank you to other users who suggested alternate maps and download methods - I will check them out during the holiday break. But it is Christmas Eve, and I need to pack the car, and put in some waypoints for the unmapped wild caves (Timor Caves, NSW) that we plan to explore during the break. Richard C. Matt White wrote: There are routable versions of garmin maps on the OSMAustralia site, but you've got to scroll down a bit to find them - try this link http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php It does look like the IMG2GPS setup kit (and site has gone walkabout). I think I've got the setup kit kicking around somewhere - I'll email it to you directly Others programs can push the maps to the Garmin devices - MapSource, M3, cGPSMapper (which is what IMG2GPS actually uses), and some others. Have a look around www.gpsaustralia.net for other links (malsingmaps have some additional links but the site is a pig to navigate around) Matt Richard Colless wrote: I'm new to OSM, having recently replaced my 12 year old Magellan GPS with a Garmin Etrex Legend CX. I've been following with some interest the discussion about roundabouts and how they are mapped. I have downloaded the OSM maps into my Etrex, but as far as I was aware, the OSM maps were not routable. They certainly aren't on my Etrex. Any attempt to "GoTo" a waypoint or a POI gives an error message "No roads near starting point". Now I know that this is not a fault of the Etrex. I have a card which I bought for $45 on eBay, which is routable, and will give turn by turn directions to a location. It's not much of a map, though. Streets aren't accurate, and many streets appear twice. And the nearest ATM to a SW Sydney suburb was the Westpac bank in Ballina. (What would you expect for a $45 card?) But your discussion about roundabouts tells me that OSM maps can be routable, so I must be doing something wrong when I load them. I am downloading the individual .IMG files from the OSM Australia website (http://www.osmaustralia.org/index.php), and I have used a utility called MapsetToolkit to make the OSM maps appear in the Garmin MapSource program. This lets me simply select the tiles that I want, and transfer them to the Etrex via MapSource. It also lets me add Contours Australia maps, so that my OSM maps have contour lines. Works well, but the maps aren't routable. I thought of trying the IMG2GPS program that is recommended on the OSM Australia website, but it doesn't seem to be available any more. All the links go to an expired domain name. Does anyone have any suggestions? Richard C.*_** http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mdipol/img2gps/_* ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
