Re: [talk-ph] Micro Mapping Party in Ortigas-Mandaluyong on May 22
So final logistics needed: 1. Walking Papers printout of the slices - who can volunteer to do this? 2. The OSM banner - maning, is this still with you? 3. Choice of an afternoon meet-up venue - I'm thinking of a coffeehouse with power outlets and free Wi-Fi. Either Megamall or Galleria since these malls have free Wi-Fi. I would suggest is Starbucks Megastrip http://www.ka-fi.com/place/starbucks__megamall_megastrip/. Any other options? See you all on Saturday! On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: The link to Facebook is obviously wrong. It should be: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=121402554549978 If you have a Facebook account, please RSVP if you can (even a decline would be useful). :-) The cake slices are also set: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ortigas-Mandaluyong_Mapping_Party#Cake_slices On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Here are two pages: 1. The Facebook event page (RSVP there if you have an account): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ortigas-Mandaluyong_Mapping_Party 2. The OSM Wiki announcement page (still under construction): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ortigas-Mandaluyong_Mapping_Party On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:34 PM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.comwrote: I've suggested other areas that are close enough but not too far from the Ortigas area 1. EDSA-Pioneer-Boni Avenue intersection: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=14.57255lon=121.0472layers=0BTF There are new developments in the area, specifically in the Pioneer side (Robinsons Cybergate, Light Residences, Pioneer Woodlands) 2. Area between Boni-Pionner intersection and Kapitolyo: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=14.57297lon=121.05339layers=0BTF The streets are complete, but it lacks POI's, buildings and landuse. Maybe one of us should hand out OSM fliers to passers-by [if they're interested] ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM-PH_Flyer_2010-03-19.pdf ) Tony Montana: Me, I want what's coming to me. Manny Ribera: Oh, well what's coming to you? Tony Montana: The world, chico, and everything in it. - http://ianlopez1115.wordpress.com/ --- On *Sat, 5/15/10, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com Subject: [talk-ph] Micro Mapping Party in Ortigas-Mandaluyong on May 22 To: OSM talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 10:22 AM Hi guys, I really don't think we could push through with the Corregidor Mapping Party. Planning was mostly nonexistent and I don't think many people are willing to spend a large amount of money for the ferry trip and the possible overnight stay in the hotel on Corregidor. Let's postpone that island for a while. In the meantime, I suggest we tackle parts of Metro Manila that are still incomplete: 1. Mandaluyong-Shaw area: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=14.58246lon=121.04721layers=B0TF This area of Mandaluyong is still missing a lot of streets because they are covered by clouds in the Yahoo satellite imagery. 2. Ortigas CBD: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=14.58448lon=121.05964layers=B0TF In contrast to the Makati CBD, Ortigas is still pretty blank in its building coverage. 3. Metrowalk-Ortigas Home Depot: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=14.58647lon=121.06578layers=B0TF Yahoo's satellite imagery in this area predates the large retail construction here so it would be nice if we can map this new development. One nice thing about this is that these three areas are near each other and since this is Ortigas, meeting up would be easier. And after the on-the-field surveying, let's meet up after and have that newbies tutorial session that Carlos suggested. What do you guys think? :-) Eugene -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Micro Mapping Party in Ortigas-Mandaluyong on May 22
I don't see why not. That's still part of the grand scheme to map the Philippines! :-) (But try to get the missing streets on your way there. :-P) On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:58 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: 2. The OSM Wiki announcement page (still under construction): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ortigas-Mandaluyong_Mapping_Party This is area is not part of the cake: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=14.58343lon=121.04146layers=00B000TF But, if it's OK with the group, I'll take this slice instead. Basically, I'll try to map urban poor communities outside the National Center for Mental Health Complex. -- cheers, maning ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-talk-be] POI of continental sites British War Graves Commission
Bonjour, Après une promenade vers le bureau d'Ypres (http://cwgc.org ), j'ai recu par mail les endroits par lat/lon. Il y a une volonté de donner, quoi faire pour avoir le droit de publier dans OSM?? Merci Dear Mr Coevoet, I attach all the co-ordinates for our continental sites. I hope this is of use. Ranald Ranald Leask Public Relations Media Manager Commonwealth War Graves Commission 2 Marlow Road Maidenhead Berkshire SL6 7DX ranald.le...@cwgc.org -- What's on Shortwave guide: choose an hour, go! http://shortwave.tk 700+ Radio Stations on SW http://swstations.tk 300+ languages on SW http://radiolanguages.tk ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] POI of continental sites British War Graves Commission
Maarten Deen schreef: On Wed, 19 May 2010 18:38:17 +0200, Marc Coevoet sintsix...@gmail.com wrote: Na een wandeling naar het Ieperse kantoor, en een mail, krijg ik alle coords van monumenten / kerkhoven. Nu: wat moet er echt gebeuren, daar ik denk dat er wil is om te doneren, want ik krijg de lijst in mijn postbus: (moet er nu een brief op papier of wat??) (in ieder geval zal de toeristische dienst van de stad Ieper wel geinteresseerd zijn...) Scan de lijst in en zet hem op walking papers? Anders gewoon de community-effort zoals met Kosovo: inscannen, wiki pagina maken en de scans linken. Kan iedereen die wil meehelpen een stukje importeren. Ik heb wel degelijk digitale bestanden, en ik verwacht nu een mail, met de by-sa licentie ack. De POI zitten al in mij gps. ze staan mooi naast die van delijn de vlaamse ingenerie moet samenwerken met de Duitse en Engelse, bij gebrek aan bestaan van de Belgische of de Vlaamse staat Marc -- What's on Shortwave guide: choose an hour, go! http://shortwave.tk 700+ Radio Stations on SW http://swstations.tk 300+ languages on SW http://radiolanguages.tk ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] volcano craters in auckland - possibly out of copyright map
On 20 May 2010 16:57, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: i found a map on wikipedia from 1859, which i would assume makes it out of copyright and thus far game for copying data into osm Fairly safe, in NZ copyright lasts until 50 years after the death of the author. [1] You're probably even safer given that the Berne Convention (that established copyright) was only signed in 1886.[2] Tim [1] http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM345932.html#DLM345932 [2] http://wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/berne/summary_berne.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] volcano craters in auckland - possibly out of copyright map
Hi, With PicLayer JOSM plugin, you can view the image as an underlay, move it and rescale it to fit (at least locally and approximately) existing OSM map data. (Use F1 to get help window). Cheers, Jean-Guilhem Le 20/05/2010 06:57, Robin Paulson a écrit : i found a map on wikipedia from 1859, which i would assume makes it out of copyright and thus far game for copying data into osm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AucklandMapHochstetter1859.JPG if so, what would be the best way to view it as an underlay, for adding volcanoes to the map database? cheers ___ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] closedstreetmap.org
Perhaps it would be useful to maintain a (shrinking) list of Publicly funded organizations that don't reciprocally share their data under open data licenses? It could link to contact info and a outline of an argument for appealing why and how the data could be opened. On May 19, 2010, at 8:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] ?
Geowanking? Don't me wrong, but wanking does not have a very favourable connotation in my book. What is geowanking about? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] ?
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Maarten Deen wrote: Geowanking? Don't me wrong, but wanking does not have a very favourable connotation in my book. What is geowanking about? Regards, Maarten surely it implies a bit of fun? (white haired from age ;) ) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] closedstreetmap.org
And perhaps also private organizations that will take your data but not let you have it back :) ? Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Andrew Turner ajtur...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it would be useful to maintain a (shrinking) list of Publicly funded organizations that don't reciprocally share their data under open data licenses? It could link to contact info and a outline of an argument for appealing why and how the data could be opened. On May 19, 2010, at 8:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve ___ Geowanking mailing list geowank...@geowanking.org http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] ?
El 20/05/2010 14:00, Maarten Deen escribió: Don't me wrong, but wanking does not have a very favourable connotation in my book. It's like a mental wanking, but with geo. It's when you think about a overly complicated geo-thing by yourself alone, and you end up liking the very action of thinking about it :-) -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] ?
Wanking does not always refere to the lonely sexual activity. I have often seen it in context of informally playing around with ideas, pieces of code, etc. It is a sort of think tank, but not so serious just to lower the barrier for who can participate, and without any expectations of results. I do not know the intentions behind Geowanking, but for me it sounds like something in this area, a place where ideas and scripts and pieces of code can be tried out, thrown on each other without the need of being serious and without the expectation of results. A[] On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010, Maarten Deen wrote: Geowanking? Don't me wrong, but wanking does not have a very favourable connotation in my book. What is geowanking about? Regards, Maarten surely it implies a bit of fun? (white haired from age ;) ) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] ?
Aun, Yeahh,. what about I am a Geowanker on your T-shirt ?? Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Iván Sánchez Ortega Verzonden: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:39 PM Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] ? El 20/05/2010 14:00, Maarten Deen escribió: Don't me wrong, but wanking does not have a very favourable connotation in my book. It's like a mental wanking, but with geo. It's when you think about a overly complicated geo-thing by yourself alone, and you end up liking the very action of thinking about it :-) -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] closedstreetmap.org
It'd be perfect for the closed source fork of OSM which comes into place after the content is moved from CC-BY-SA to DbCL. I'll take it. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] ?
El 20/05/2010 15:54, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen escribió: Yeahh,. what about I am a Geowanker on your T-shirt ?? Hey, that's a good one. We could even do a few of them in Spanish for the SotM10: Soy Geopajero. -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source
Nonsense! The article you cite suggests disabling JavaScript aswell. The main slippy map on OSM uses JavaScript. ergo, we should not be promoting dangerous javascript. Flash has never caused me any security problems on my Ubuntu desktop. Talk to your OS vendor if it's insecure. On 15/05/10 00:10, john whelan wrote: www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-secure-is-flash-heres-what-adobe-wont-tell-you/2152 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-secure-is-flash-heres-what-adobe-wont-tell-you/2152 There are other web sites such as Symantec's site. Symantec's advice corporate advice: In order to reduce the threat of successful exploitation of Web browsers, administrators should maintain a restrictive policy regarding which applications are allowed within the organization. […] Browser security features and add-ons should be employed wherever possible to *disable JavaScript™, Adobe Flash Player, and other content that may present a risk to the user* when visiting untrusted sites Simply going to a web site these days is the most common way to get infected, once infected then you lose your credit card details, and Flash is a very weak link no matter which web browser it is run from. Cheerio John On 14 May 2010 18:51, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net mailto:rich...@systemed.net wrote: john whelan wrote: Yes but a problem with Flash is it is a major security hole. My considered opinion on that theory is bollocks. It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its plugin architecture. Badly written Flash may crash my browser but it has not yet sent my credit card details to Tajikistan. And even Potlatch doesn't crash it, so it must have to be _really_ badly written to cause a problem. ;) It's probably the major source of Malware in Windows Yeah. The major source of drowning in the Atlantic Ocean is water. BAN water!!11!11o...@wtflolccbysa Aevar Arnfjorth Bjarmason wrote: Making their player open source would be nice. But what's mainly stopping players like Gnash is that their protocols are closed The SWF and RTMP formats are published. The codecs aren't, but that's the whole Ogg Theora/H264 argument for HTML5 and Firefox so not at all exclusive to Flash. And unless your translation code is cleverer than I thought, they're irrelevant to Potlatch (which is kinda the reason I posted here). The main thing stopping Gnash from supporting AVM2 (and strk can correct me if I'm wrong) is that it's a whole big lot of work and there's largely only one developer working on it - even though he's basically a genius and Potlatch 1 would never have happened without his work on Ming. If you threw 100 programmers at Gnash for three months then you'd have an open source (non-audio/video) AVM2 player. strk shouldn't have to spend his time rewriting code that Adobe has already written. Sun made Java open-source. Flash is a direct parallel. I would encourage people not to get hung up on codecs (because Flash has already lost the video battle, all video will be HTML5 in two years) and encourage Adobe to Do The Right Thing, for the benefit of apps like Potlatch and a million others. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk 0x5373FB61.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] closedstreetmap.org
On 20 May 2010 15:08, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It'd be perfect for the closed source fork of OSM which comes into place after the content is moved from CC-BY-SA to DbCL. I'll take it. Good to see you agreeing that ODbL will keep OpenStreetMap open ;-) May I suggest starting your closed fork from scratch rather than violating the principals of our existing CC-BY-SA licensed data. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] closedstreetmap.org
I have an idea: it could be a crowd+ sourced map of all the closed streets. Everybody already knows where the open streets are, but online database of currently closed streets would be in a way much more useful for any car driver. Jaak 2010/5/20, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com: On 20 May 2010 15:08, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It'd be perfect for the closed source fork of OSM which comes into place after the content is moved from CC-BY-SA to DbCL. I'll take it. Good to see you agreeing that ODbL will keep OpenStreetMap open ;-) May I suggest starting your closed fork from scratch rather than violating the principals of our existing CC-BY-SA licensed data. / Grant -- Jaak Laineste ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] closedstreetmap.org
It could be used for a special OSM slippy map of closed streets, e.g.: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mennonot/2602625089/ ;-) Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] closedstreetmap.org
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: It could be used for a special OSM slippy map of closed streets, e.g.: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mennonot/2602625089/ ;-) Pieren You may be only kidding, but I just spent an hour dodging construction traffic here in Minneapolis. This would be great and incredibly useful for the general public. If we exposed a simple API for municipalities to specify which roads or road segments are under construction or closed, I bet they'd be happy to send in data. They get frustrated when people drive on their under construction roads, too! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] closedstreetmap.org
not a bad idea, sort of name-and-shame... but it could just be a wiki page On May 19, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Andrew Turner wrote: Perhaps it would be useful to maintain a (shrinking) list of Publicly funded organizations that don't reciprocally share their data under open data licenses? It could link to contact info and a outline of an argument for appealing why and how the data could be opened. Andrew On May 19, 2010, at 8:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve ___ Geowanking mailing list geowank...@geowanking.org http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] closedstreetmap.org
any takers on doing that? On May 19, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Andrew Turner wrote: Perhaps it would be useful to maintain a (shrinking) list of Publicly funded organizations that don't reciprocally share their data under open data licenses? It could link to contact info and a outline of an argument for appealing why and how the data could be opened. Andrew On May 19, 2010, at 8:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve ___ Geowanking mailing list geowank...@geowanking.org http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some questions about Produced Works under the ODbL
Am 20.05.2010 17:57, schrieb David Mirchin: 1. Is it clear that a map tile is an image within the definition of a Produced Work--a work (such as an image...) resulting from using the whole or a Substantial part of the Contents? Surely a map tile is an image. Also see the Produced Work community guideline at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Community_Guidelines Does it undermine something being a Produced Work if it results from using BOTH a Substantial part of the Contents from a Derivative Database AND some other data or database, such as a Derivative Database, a proprietary database or user-generated data? Here's our reply to a similar question (at http://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_63fshs97dc): 11.5. If I use OSM data to generate part of a new map, a POI or other metadata, or other image, and proprietary data to create the remainder of the map or image, is the result a Produced Work? Does it matter whether the user can tell the difference between the OSM data and my own proprietary data as long as I display the proper attributions? Yes, the result is a Produced Work. If the different parts of the image are created from separate databases, only the OSM data would need be released under ODbL (whether the user can tell the difference or not). A good guideline could be, neglecting purely stylistic issues, could the two sets of data be rendered completely separately without reference to the other database and then be composited together, i.e. one database is not being used to filter or otherwise modify the other database. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
Why do you take responsibility for postal losses? That seems super bad luck. You're running a business right not a socialist theocracy. Just put a note on the checkout that says uninsured postal delivery: £4 recorded, insured delivery: £10 or whatever. On May 18, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: For people who can't manage downloading a file, Andy provides a nice service of posting garmin maps on an SD card. http://shop.opencyclemap.org/ I don't know if he gets a tiny profit margin or not, but the prices are good just for blank SD cards! Thanks. I make a small profit on each sale, after everyone else takes their cut (paypal fees, shipping, and so on). But profit on each sale of SD cards is eaten up entirely by the combination of monthly site running costs, postal losses (grr) and other overheads. I'll need a lot more sales before I can fund the rest of opencyclemap with income from the shop, and I laugh when I think of what my hourly rate works out as! The situation is even worse for the OSM surveyors jackets, where the margin is so small (under a pound) that a single lost item would take me around another 20 sales just to make back. So far I've sold three, and the first one of those (to a certain someone you might know) actually worked out at a materials loss (of 17p), not counting monthly overheads. But it's great promotion for OSM, helps raise money for OSMF, and I think these things are important. So if anyone is wondering, the little shop that I have is time-consuming and barely breaks even, but it's good fun to run and has many happy customers, and that's really why I do it. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures
2010/5/19 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: How to tag Norwegian named farms making part of a grend which I would have tagged as hamlet? They are not isolated dwellings as they are not isolated, just parts of the larger unit. how much distance there is required to be isolated depends surely on the cultural context, but how I understand your mail, there is one place, that is the grend, and this place is the hamlets which consists of the single farms. In this case IMHO neither place=farm nor isolated_dwelling would be appropriate. How to tag Brazillian Fazendas, they are farms that can consits of as many as 20 buildings, with living barracks for season workers and factory like buildings for pre-processing of their harvests. I'd suggest that the Brazilians decide this, but I'd probably tag them as Hamlets. Seasonal stuff is generally difficult to tag, but I'm assuming that there live all year long also quite some people, otherwise I'd go for isolated_dwelling. How to tag Brazillian Sitios, they are small farms or groups of houses, usually very isolated. depends on what the group is, how big, etc. For the first I would use place=farm on the named farms, making them part of place=hamlet what do you mean by making them part of. What about a farm in the city: would you tag it with place=farm? I'd actually not tag anything place=farm, place=mill, etc., but use place for human settlements, and something else for the use (e.g. landuse, building, ...) The second I would call place=farm, they are not hamlets as often only one familly live there permanently, though there can be more than 100 workers in the harvest seasons difficult because of the seasonal aspect, but as it is quite some people, they are probably important enough not to tag them as very small (isolated_dwelling). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?
2010/5/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 20 May 2010 08:02, Rob Warren war...@muninn-project.org wrote: Historical mapping has some problems that are a bit different from conventional mapping in that 1) everything is a timestamp While it would be nice for the OSM APIs to natively support downloading data based on time frames, you could do something similar that would be really nice, especially because the data would not bother normal users who are interested only in the current state. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/19 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: How to tag Norwegian named farms making part of a grend which I would have tagged as hamlet? They are not isolated dwellings as they are not isolated, just parts of the larger unit. how much distance there is required to be isolated depends surely on the cultural context, but how I understand your mail, there is one place, that is the grend, and this place is the hamlets which consists of the single farms. In this case IMHO neither place=farm nor isolated_dwelling would be appropriate. Implying a distance of isolation for isolated dwelling would imply that there should be a tagged for unisolated_dwelling? A grend generally consists of 4 to 20 farms, for example where I grew up, the grend Høgset, which is made up of the farms Skoåkrå, Iverstua, Oppistua, Røysan, Nessa and Langnessa. Each of these farms is again one to three residencial buildings plus farm buildings such as barn, heyloft, equipment garrages, etc. The houses of each farm is generally located around the farm yard, which can be near the edge or near the center of the farm. It can happen that two or tree farm yards are close to each other (like the case of Nessa and Langnessa in my grend). Each of the farms have unique names in most of Norway. (I live about 1 km away from this place, that is probably the reason that this data is not available in the database) How to tag Brazillian Fazendas, they are farms that can consits of as many as 20 buildings, with living barracks for season workers and factory like buildings for pre-processing of their harvests. I'd suggest that the Brazilians decide this, but I'd probably tag them as Hamlets. Seasonal stuff is generally difficult to tag, but I'm assuming that there live all year long also quite some people, otherwise I'd go for isolated_dwelling. As I am part of the Brazilian community than I can accordingly take part in that decicion. A fazenda is not a hamlet, there are lots of hamlets in Brazil, that are places with 10 to 500 inhabitants (loosely defined) and marked on local maps as such, fazendas are different. You can probably argue that it could be tagged with village, but that have a different definition, and pushing villages to town will not solve this as that would push towns to city and city to something else, maybe metropol? How to tag Brazillian Sitios, they are small farms or groups of houses, usually very isolated. depends on what the group is, how big, etc. By group I mean anything with more than 2 buildings, a Sitio can be a collection of small cottages, or an actual farm, and can be permanent or only seasonal. For the first I would use place=farm on the named farms, making them part of place=hamlet what do you mean by making them part of. What about a farm in the city: would you tag it with place=farm? I'd actually not tag anything place=farm, place=mill, etc., but use place for human settlements, and something else for the use (e.g. landuse, building, ...) The second I would call place=farm, they are not hamlets as often only one familly live there permanently, though there can be more than 100 workers in the harvest seasons difficult because of the seasonal aspect, but as it is quite some people, they are probably important enough not to tag them as very small (isolated_dwelling). This is a good reason to keep the farm tag and not deprecate it. When it should be tagged farm and when to tag it isolated_dwelling should be up to each country to define, German conditions definitely doesn't apply all over the world. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Any way to recover these Potlatch changes?
A couple hours ago I made a bunch of edits in Potlatch and saved. While editing the loading from the API was intermittent, and this continued during the saving. I canceled the save and tried again, and now it refuses to save or load anything. I also can't access any pages on openstreetmap.org. However, if I load a different browser, I can load and save just fine. Presumably restarting the browser would fix the problem, but then I'd lose the unsaved changes. Is there anything I can do to save them? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Little religious man made objects : crosses and shrines
In Feb. 08, a German User initiated two proposals about wayside religious man made objects . The discussion is moving at slow pace and no voting is previsible. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wayside_cross http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wayside_shrine From Tagwatch, it can be seen that more than 6,000 wayside shrines were introduced into the map of Germany (most of them are bildstocks). In France, more than 2,000 wayside crosses were mapped. Thousands of crosses are repertoried in the other European countries. We have an unofficial tag that becomes popular. Are there people interested for moving the process to an end? An user proposed that ordinary or recent crosses (nude or a simple crucifix) could tagged as man made=cross as not every cross has gained a historic value, neither is staying wayside. It could be valuable also to have a specific rendering for crosses and shrines that have been tagged as tourism=artwork. I don't know whether a rendering has been designed for the shrines (they can be a little box on a pole or a little construction) . Seems have not. Another valuable point : the crosses are seen only in catholic regions across Europa, but not the shrines. I suppose that some little religious buildings must be visible in orthodox faith regions. There are also, in North Africa and in Turkey, some roadside tombs for men of high religious reputation to whose many people are used to pay marks of respect. If Thibet could be mapped, one should consider the stupas. Not mentioning other areas (India, Andes, etc.). A wiki page encompassing all that sorts of religious objects would be useful. But, first of all, let's pushing forward the admission of the tags for crosses and shrines. Christian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures
I took the freedom to remove the mark of deprecated on place=farm and wrote a page with an easy to understand (I hope) definition of what a farm can be different from isolated dwelling http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:57 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/21 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: Implying a distance of isolation for isolated dwelling would imply that there should be a tagged for unisolated_dwelling? unisolated dwellings is the rest of the inhabited places (village, town..). A grend generally consists of 4 to 20 farms, for example where I grew up, the grend Høgset, which is made up of the farms Skoåkrå, Iverstua, this is probably a hamlet. Oppistua, Røysan, Nessa and Langnessa. Each of these farms is again one to three residencial buildings plus farm buildings such as barn, heyloft, equipment garrages, etc. ... probably here place=farm could maybe used (if you define it like this), they are not isolated dwellings as they are part of a hamlet. How to tag Brazillian Fazendas, they are farms that can consits of as many as 20 buildings, with living barracks for season workers and factory like buildings for pre-processing of their harvests. For the first I would use place=farm on the named farms, making them part of place=hamlet +1, for me that's fine. All good examples for local use of place=farm I would not have thought of. Maybe you could also go for a Key-name that depicts that it is a sub-part of an hamlet (or use an relation for this). This is a good reason to keep the farm tag and not deprecate it. OK, but there should be some definitions/examples. Still you will find isolated dwellings as well in your country I suppose. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source
I don't wish to get into a Unix versus Windows war about security. However recognise that Flash is a plug in to a browser. Because of the way browser plug ins work they have very few restrictions on what they can do. I retired recently but before that was involved in protecting very sensitive data for the Canadian Federal Government and as a result spent quite a number of years studying threats. We ran some 1,400 servers including 400 Unix servers of one flavour or another. Within the security community it was recognised that although UNIX could be tightly configured often it wasn't. My party trick was a list of about 100 default userids and passwords, I don't think any of the databases on Unix based servers were secure against the list. At one demo I logged into about eighty SQL Server databases without logging onto the network with full admin rights but then Microsoft tightened up that loophole. The US government has a procurement standard called POSIX which it uses to identify UNIX systems in procurements. Windows NT was the first operating system to qualify as POSIX compliant. Both have their roots in Multics and Digital VMS and aren't that different once you get past the GUI. Windows can also be tightly configured should you really wish to. Flash has never caused me any security problems on my Ubuntu desktop. I think you should qualify that with that you know about. I came across one server that scanned fine but at 3 am each morning a few packets of information were sent out on the Internet to an odd address. These were detected by a network monitor and stood out because there was very little traffic at that time and because of the address being sent to. The server was subjected to heavy investigation but the rogue code was never found. When the operating system was reinstalled the ip packets stopped. The security community has reservations about JavaScript but these are not so serious as the ones about Flash. Personally from a security point of view I prefer using a tool like Maperitive to render rather than use JavaScript. I recognise that OSM has many enthusiasts who have been brought up on UNIX on University courses and we depend on their enthusiasm but I think we also owe a duty of protection to end users and to me that means recognizing that using Flash does bring security risks. Cheerio John On 20 May 2010 10:35, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote: Nonsense! The article you cite suggests disabling JavaScript aswell. The main slippy map on OSM uses JavaScript. ergo, we should not be promoting dangerous javascript. Flash has never caused me any security problems on my Ubuntu desktop. Talk to your OS vendor if it's insecure. On 15/05/10 00:10, john whelan wrote: www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-secure-is-flash-heres-what-adobe-wont-tell-you/2152 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-secure-is-flash-heres-what-adobe-wont-tell-you/2152 There are other web sites such as Symantec's site. Symantec's advice corporate advice: In order to reduce the threat of successful exploitation of Web browsers, administrators should maintain a restrictive policy regarding which applications are allowed within the organization. […] Browser security features and add-ons should be employed wherever possible to *disable JavaScript™, Adobe Flash Player, and other content that may present a risk to the user* when visiting untrusted sites Simply going to a web site these days is the most common way to get infected, once infected then you lose your credit card details, and Flash is a very weak link no matter which web browser it is run from. Cheerio John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Little religious man made objects : crosses and shrines
Am 21.05.2010 01:05, schrieb Christian Rogel: From Tagwatch, it can be seen that more than 6,000 wayside shrines were introduced into the map of Germany (most of them are bildstocks). In France, more than 2,000 wayside crosses were mapped. Thousands of crosses are repertoried in the other European countries. We have an unofficial tag that becomes popular. You don't need voting for tags that are used several thousand times. In fact, both of them are already listed on the Map Features page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Stand op Ubuntu Releaseparty
Ik ga mee. Je kan ook mee rijden richting Ede :) Je had shirtjes (hell yeah!) maar moeten we ook nog banners/flyers etc hebben? Cheers, --Roeland On Thursday 06 May 2010 19:48:18 Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Ik heb wel interesse om daar het OSM geloof te verkondigen. Maar ik ga niet in m'n eentje, dus wie gaat er mee? Groet, Floris Rob Snelders wrote: Hoi Allen, Op 29 Mei is er in Ede een Ubuntu Releaseparty ter eren van de nieuwste release Lucid Lynx. Op deze party organiseren we een install-party, community-markt, demo-stands en lezingen. We hebben al een redelijk gevuld schema maar zijn nog altijd op zoek naar communities. Wij willen via deze manier vragen of jullie interesse hebben voor een community-stand. De dag duurt van 10.00 t/m 16.00 en is gericht op alle gebruikers van Ubuntu, van beginner tot gevorderde. Ook zijn er lezingen speciaal gericht op zakelijke gebruikers. Voor meer informatie kan contact opgenomen worden met mij. -- M.V.G. Rob Snelders Coordinator Inhoud http://www.releaseparty.eu ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Stand op Ubuntu Releaseparty
Floris, Die kabel heb ik hier wel liggen, dus die zal ik wel meenemen. Verder neem ik mijn dierbare zwarte boek mee, wat volgens sommigen in het OSM museum (als dat ooit nog komt) thuis hoort ;) Uiteraard gaan de laptop en GPS ook mee, maar die zullen jullie ook wel meenemen. Roeland, is het mogelijk dat je me oppikt uit Utrecht? Ik woon niet ongunstig t.o.v. de A12. Anders is het geen probleem om met de trein te gaan, aangezien de Reehorst vlak bij het station ligt. Frank Quoting Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: cool! er mag aan de wanden niks opgehangen worden, wel eventueel nog aan de tafel die bij de stand staat. ik neem nog zo'n staande banner mee en een restantje stickers/flyers. er is ook internet. wel moet er even een utp kabel mee, ongeveer 15 meter dachten ze. groet, floris Roeland Douma wrote: Ik ga mee. Je kan ook mee rijden richting Ede :) Je had shirtjes (hell yeah!) maar moeten we ook nog banners/flyers etc hebben? Cheers, --Roeland On Thursday 06 May 2010 19:48:18 Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Ik heb wel interesse om daar het OSM geloof te verkondigen. Maar ik ga niet in m'n eentje, dus wie gaat er mee? Groet, Floris Rob Snelders wrote: Hoi Allen, Op 29 Mei is er in Ede een Ubuntu Releaseparty ter eren van de nieuwste release Lucid Lynx. Op deze party organiseren we een install-party, community-markt, demo-stands en lezingen. We hebben al een redelijk gevuld schema maar zijn nog altijd op zoek naar communities. Wij willen via deze manier vragen of jullie interesse hebben voor een community-stand. De dag duurt van 10.00 t/m 16.00 en is gericht op alle gebruikers van Ubuntu, van beginner tot gevorderde. Ook zijn er lezingen speciaal gericht op zakelijke gebruikers. Voor meer informatie kan contact opgenomen worden met mij. -- M.V.G. Rob Snelders Coordinator Inhoud http://www.releaseparty.eu ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Stand op Ubuntu Releaseparty
Frank, Prima, we gaan toch lang Utrecht, het lijkt me handig om even off-list te mailen voor adressen etc. Mijn laptop en GPS gaan mee, ik heb helaas geen Garmin (om de garmin kaartjes te demo-en). Heb je toevallig ook een switch en wat extra kabels zodat mijn laptop ook aan het internet kan hangen? @Floris ik zal ook enkele van mij flyers nog meenemen. Groet, --Roeland On Thursday 20 May 2010 13:33:44 stegg...@steggink.org wrote: Floris, Die kabel heb ik hier wel liggen, dus die zal ik wel meenemen. Verder neem ik mijn dierbare zwarte boek mee, wat volgens sommigen in het OSM museum (als dat ooit nog komt) thuis hoort ;) Uiteraard gaan de laptop en GPS ook mee, maar die zullen jullie ook wel meenemen. Roeland, is het mogelijk dat je me oppikt uit Utrecht? Ik woon niet ongunstig t.o.v. de A12. Anders is het geen probleem om met de trein te gaan, aangezien de Reehorst vlak bij het station ligt. Frank Quoting Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: cool! er mag aan de wanden niks opgehangen worden, wel eventueel nog aan de tafel die bij de stand staat. ik neem nog zo'n staande banner mee en een restantje stickers/flyers. er is ook internet. wel moet er even een utp kabel mee, ongeveer 15 meter dachten ze. groet, floris Roeland Douma wrote: Ik ga mee. Je kan ook mee rijden richting Ede :) Je had shirtjes (hell yeah!) maar moeten we ook nog banners/flyers etc hebben? Cheers, --Roeland On Thursday 06 May 2010 19:48:18 Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Ik heb wel interesse om daar het OSM geloof te verkondigen. Maar ik ga niet in m'n eentje, dus wie gaat er mee? Groet, Floris Rob Snelders wrote: Hoi Allen, Op 29 Mei is er in Ede een Ubuntu Releaseparty ter eren van de nieuwste release Lucid Lynx. Op deze party organiseren we een install-party, community-markt, demo-stands en lezingen. We hebben al een redelijk gevuld schema maar zijn nog altijd op zoek naar communities. Wij willen via deze manier vragen of jullie interesse hebben voor een community-stand. De dag duurt van 10.00 t/m 16.00 en is gericht op alle gebruikers van Ubuntu, van beginner tot gevorderde. Ook zijn er lezingen speciaal gericht op zakelijke gebruikers. Voor meer informatie kan contact opgenomen worden met mij. -- M.V.G. Rob Snelders Coordinator Inhoud http://www.releaseparty.eu ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Stand op Ubuntu Releaseparty
Roeland, Ja, ik heb een switch. Hij doet het ook nog tot mijn stomme verbazing :) Ook heb ik nog wel een paar netwerkkables. Verder is mijn GPS wel een Garmin, dus ik zal hem van recent kaartmateriaal voorzien. Groeten, Frank Roeland Douma wrote: Frank, Prima, we gaan toch lang Utrecht, het lijkt me handig om even off-list te mailen voor adressen etc. Mijn laptop en GPS gaan mee, ik heb helaas geen Garmin (om de garmin kaartjes te demo-en). Heb je toevallig ook een switch en wat extra kabels zodat mijn laptop ook aan het internet kan hangen? @Floris ik zal ook enkele van mij flyers nog meenemen. Groet, --Roeland On Thursday 20 May 2010 13:33:44 stegg...@steggink.org wrote: Floris, Die kabel heb ik hier wel liggen, dus die zal ik wel meenemen. Verder neem ik mijn dierbare zwarte boek mee, wat volgens sommigen in het OSM museum (als dat ooit nog komt) thuis hoort ;) Uiteraard gaan de laptop en GPS ook mee, maar die zullen jullie ook wel meenemen. Roeland, is het mogelijk dat je me oppikt uit Utrecht? Ik woon niet ongunstig t.o.v. de A12. Anders is het geen probleem om met de trein te gaan, aangezien de Reehorst vlak bij het station ligt. Frank Quoting Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: cool! er mag aan de wanden niks opgehangen worden, wel eventueel nog aan de tafel die bij de stand staat. ik neem nog zo'n staande banner mee en een restantje stickers/flyers. er is ook internet. wel moet er even een utp kabel mee, ongeveer 15 meter dachten ze. groet, floris Roeland Douma wrote: Ik ga mee. Je kan ook mee rijden richting Ede :) Je had shirtjes (hell yeah!) maar moeten we ook nog banners/flyers etc hebben? Cheers, --Roeland On Thursday 06 May 2010 19:48:18 Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Ik heb wel interesse om daar het OSM geloof te verkondigen. Maar ik ga niet in m'n eentje, dus wie gaat er mee? Groet, Floris Rob Snelders wrote: Hoi Allen, Op 29 Mei is er in Ede een Ubuntu Releaseparty ter eren van de nieuwste release Lucid Lynx. Op deze party organiseren we een install-party, community-markt, demo-stands en lezingen. We hebben al een redelijk gevuld schema maar zijn nog altijd op zoek naar communities. Wij willen via deze manier vragen of jullie interesse hebben voor een community-stand. De dag duurt van 10.00 t/m 16.00 en is gericht op alle gebruikers van Ubuntu, van beginner tot gevorderde. Ook zijn er lezingen speciaal gericht op zakelijke gebruikers. Voor meer informatie kan contact opgenomen worden met mij. -- M.V.G. Rob Snelders Coordinator Inhoud http://www.releaseparty.eu ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Liz wrote: There are some difficult ones which relate to Crescent and similar endings. crescent / court / circuit and green / grove If we can't expand it, we should find out. Email the local council and ask for the street name; knock on doors and ask the residents. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations
Have since uploaded these locations: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4757013 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Service road only rendering the name but not the road
I have been doing some work on Inglewood (Queensland) when I visit for work. I made some changes to 'Callandoon Lane' weeks ago but it's only showing the name but not the road. Have I done something wrong or is the a bug? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-28.41624lon=151.08042zoom=16layers=B000FTF ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Service road only rendering the name but not the road
On 21 May 2010 09:09, Christoph Donges cdon...@gmail.com wrote: I have been doing some work on Inglewood (Queensland) when I visit for work. I made some changes to 'Callandoon Lane' weeks ago but it's only showing the name but not the road. Have I done something wrong or is the a bug? The server was caching an older set of tiles, you may have fixed things since, but in any case I forced the tiles to be re-rendered by adding /dirty to the end of the tile URL and now the lane displays correctly. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-br] Inscrições relâmpago para prê mio da W3C
Olá Pessoal, Segue o link para inscrever projetos para o Premio Transparencia Hackday, que oferece uma viagem a um evento ligado a abertura de dados públicos: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dFVLNjFqQ1dSRUhlYzd4TTE0eHAyV0E6MQ Eu acho que a gente poderia aproveitar e mandar um projeto legal pra lá, pra ir mais uma pessoa ao SOTM. O OSM teve uma ótima visibilidade no Transparência Hackday. Abs, Vitor ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Beschriftung an power:sub_station?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manuel Reimer wrote: Hallo, ich habe ein kleines Trafohäuschen als power:sub_station mit operator:EON eingetragen. Auf diesem Häuschen gibt es eine Aufschrift, die wohl der Name dieses Standorts ist. Wie kann man die sinnvoll eintragen? Als name möchte ich das ungerne eingeben, denn dann wird für das doch recht kleine Häuschen ein riesiger Beschreibungstext in die Karte gerendert. Irgendwer eine Idee? Ja: Name ist das richtige Tag dafür, wenn es nicht grade Hauptstraße 25 ist. Dass es gerendert wird ist ein Problem des Renderers - also lieber da 'n Ticket aufmachen und trotzdem name=Wiesensiedlung II reinschreiben...? Wir mappen doch nicht für den Renderer - war da nicht mal sowas? ;-) Viele Grüße - FIps Gruß Manuel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkv1CjEACgkQnHVyAFIfTkFFRwCfafxVt73mJLDdQ0RzSswEMBpc G1sAoKq8ZAZLy7fuQEUJXfQUNPVDNVVG =X/v2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Maperitive
Hallo Community! Das neue KOSMOS heißt Maperitive! Ich habe angefangen, die Wikiseite auf deutsch zu übersetzen und kann noch etwas Unterstützung gebrauchen: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Maperitive Übrigens: Wer mit KOMOS nicht klar kam sollte Maperitive noch eine Chance geben! Das Bedienkonzept ist einfach klasse (per Befehlseile oder Skript). Die ersten Ergebnisse des Home-Rendering sehr vielversprechend. Tipp: Achtet auf die Einrückungen in den Rule-Dateien! Viele Grüße Rotbarsch -- Feel free - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Häuser einzeichnen?
Hallo Horst, für dein Problem eignet sich die Webseite: http://warper.geothings.net/ Dort kannst du die Luftbilder entzerren und als WMS in JOSM einbinden. Ciao André ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de Hallo André, nun habe ich eine weitere Möglichkeit meine Luftbilder zu verzerren. Auf dem Warper sah die rectified Version gut aus. Da ich nicht kapiere wo man die BBOX Angaben machen muß, damit man einen WMS-Link für JOSM erzeugen kann, habe ich das Ergebnis runtergeladen. Als ich es dann mittels PicLayer dieses in JOSM eingebunden hatte, war alles wieder verzerrt. Kapier ich zwar nicht, denn das Bild wird ja an Hand von OSM ausgerichtet, aber dem war dennoch so. Das Bild ist in Warper zum Downloaden freigegeben. Du kannst es ja einmal ansehen bzw ausprobieren, ob Du ein besseres Wergebnis bekommst. Gruß Horst ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Häuser einzeichnen?
Hallo, bin zwar der falsche André, Am 20.05.10 13:04, schrieb hike39: Hallo André, nun habe ich eine weitere Möglichkeit meine Luftbilder zu verzerren. Auf dem Warper sah die rectified Version gut aus. Da ich nicht kapiere wo man die BBOX Angaben machen muß, damit man einen WMS-Link für JOSM erzeugen kann, habe ich das Ergebnis runtergeladen. Als ich es dann mittels PicLayer dieses in JOSM eingebunden hatte, war alles wieder verzerrt. Kapier ich zwar nicht, denn das Bild wird ja an Hand von OSM ausgerichtet, aber dem war dennoch so. Welche Projektion ist denn bei dir in josm eingestellt? (Die beiden Kippschalter in der Mitte, daa auf das Gitternetzsymbol) Da sollte schon Mercator drinstehen. Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Häuser einzeichnen?
Da ich nicht kapiere wo man die BBOX Angaben machen muß, damit man einen WMS-Link für JOSM erzeugen kann, habe ich das Ergebnis runtergeladen. Das geht einfacher: Unter WMS | Berichtigtes Bild Geothings Mapwarper auswählen und darunter die ID deines Bilds eingeben. Die ID steht in der URL, z.b. für das Bild Miesbach, Germany: http://warper.geothings.net/maps/2596 ist die ID 2596 -fri- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Häuser einzeichnen?
Am 20.05.2010 13:04, schrieb hike39: http://warper.geothings.net/ Darf man GeoThings.net wirklich nutzen? Gruß Christopher Reimer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Häuser einzeichnen?
Hallo, Christopher Reimer wrote: Darf man GeoThings.net wirklich nutzen? Geothings.net an sich ist nur ein Dienst, keine Datensammlung. Geschrieben von einem OSMer, also grundsaetzlich ist die Benutzung schon ok, aber jeder kann dort beliebige Daten hochladen, also muss man schon drauf schauen, von *was* man da gerade abmalt! Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wohnmobil-Stellplätze bei OSM
schrieb RalfGesellensetter am 19.05.2010 19:05: Am Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2010 schrieb Martin Mainzer: Um diese Daten für Leute die mit Wohnmobilien unterwegs sind, nutzbar zu machen habe ich POI-Dateien für Navis ... Hallo Martin, das finde ich interessant. Könntest du kurz erläutern, wie du bei der POI-Erstellung vorgegangen bist? Das ist sicher auch für andere Bereiche interessant (Spielplätze etc.). Danke Ralf Hallo Ralf, ich wollte sowieso noch auf meiner Wiki-Seite erläutern wie ich das ganze technisch gemacht habe, kam aber bisher noch nicht dazu. Daher hier nun eine kurze Beschreibung vorweg (detaillierte Infos folgen hoffentlich bald auf meiner Wiki-Seite): Um die Datenmenge mit der ich arbeite klein zu halten, habe ich zunächst aus dem osm-File mittels 'osmosis' die 'nodes' und 'ways' die als 'tourism=caravan_site' getaggt sind, extrahiert. Um die ways (areas) in Punkte umwandeln zu können, habe ich anschließend mittels 'osm2pgsql' die mit 'osmosis' extrahierten Daten in eine PostGre-Datenbank mit PostGis-Erweiterung importiert und dort mittels der PostGis 'Centroid'- Funktion die Flächen in Punkte umgewandelt. Diese Zentroide und die Punkte dann wieder aus der Datenbank als csv-Datei exportiert. Als letzten Schritt dann diese Datei mittels 'sed' noch ein bisschen angepasst, sodass sie für OpenLayer und als POI-Datei nutzbar ist. Am kompliziertesten war aus meiner Sicht, die Flächen in Punkte umzuwandeln, aber durch die Tipps hier auf der Liste hat auch das dann prima geklappt. Einfacher ist das ganze Vorgehen natürlich, wenn es vom entsprechenden Element nur 'nodes' gibt, dann reicht eine Selektion der osm-Datei mittels 'osmosis', und eine anschließende Umwandlung der xml-Datei in csv. Ich hoffe das ist so, in aller Kürze, verständlich. Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wohnmobil-Stellplätze bei OSM
schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer am 19.05.2010 13:47: Am 19. Mai 2010 09:50 schrieb Martin Mainzer mart...@gmx.de: Hallo, ich habe mich in den letzten Wochen mit den Wohnmobil-Stellplätzen in OSM (tourism=caravan_site) beschäftigt. Um diese Daten für Leute die mit Wohnmobilien unterwegs sind, nutzbar zu machen habe ich POI-Dateien für Navis und eine OpenLayer Karte für Europa mit den Stellplätzen erstellt (beides auf meiner User-Site: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Marmai). Bei der Arbeit mit den Daten ist mir aufgefallen, dass zwar schon eine Menge an Wohnmobilstellplätzen in Deutschland verzeichnet ist (560, Europa 1447), aber kaum weitergehende Informationen eingetragen sind. mir ist aufgefallen, dass Dein Kartenoverlay noch relativ wenige Informationen anzeigt (ich habe z.B. bei der Wohnmobilstation in Berlin Mitte auch die Adresse und Telefonnr. drin, angezeigt wird aber nur der Name), und bei langen Namen zu Scrollbalken im Overlay führt. Gruß Martin Hallo Martin, das ist korrekt, ich habe der Einfachheit halber nicht alle tags verwendet, sondern nur diejenigen, die ich (subjektiv) für wichtig gehalten habe. Das sind: 'capacity', 'fee', 'power_supply' und 'tents'. Bei meinen ersten Versuchen, habe ich alles drin gelassen, aber das wird sehr unübersichtlich, da es einige tags mit sehr langen Beschreibungen gibt (z.B. 'openGeoDB'), die die Felder mit den Beschreibungen in der Karte sprengen. Daher habe ich mich für das Vorgehen entschieden, nur ausgewählte tags zu nutzen. Welche weiteren tags sind denn aus eurer Sicht noch wichtig und sollten auch noch aufgenommen werden? Das kann ich gerne dann in der Karte und den POI-Dateien noch ergänzen. Wie ich mit den langen Namen umgehen soll weiß ich auch nicht so recht. Größere Felder machen die Karte unübersichtlich, und wie ich die Namen der Stellplätze im Overlay umbrechen kann, weiß ich nicht. Kann da jemand einen Tipp geben? Viele Grüße und danke für die Anmerkungen, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Massendownloads vom PCN - portale geografico nazionale
Am 18.05.2010 16:50, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: OSM-Italien ist informell informiert worden, dass seit ein paar Tagen erkennbar versucht wurde, die Daten massenhaft systematisch herunterzuladen. [...] Eine übliche Nutzung z.B. mit JOSM über die WMS-Extension ist natürlich erlaubt bzw. sogar gewünscht. Kann man ausschließen, daß so etwas mit JOSM versehentlich passiert? Angenommen, ich stelle eine hohe Auflösung ein, öffne ein WMS-Layer und zoome später weit raus. Versucht JOSM dann, die ganze Fläche in der hohen Auflösung zu laden? Wenn ja, ergibt das auch einen systematischen Massendownload. Bodo ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wohnmobil-Stellplätze bei OSM
schrieb aighes am 19.05.2010 13:57: Hallo, schau dich da mal um: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site Viele Grüße, aighes Hallo aighes, bei tourism=camp_site handelt es sich um Campingplätze. Wohnmobil-Stellplätze werden mit tourism=caravan_site getaggt. Dabei handelt es sich im Allgemeinen um Parkplätze und ähnliches, auf denen kein normaler Campingbetrieb erlaubt ist [1]. Daher können zwar einige Vorschläge für Campingplätze übertragen werden, aber sicher nicht alle. Viele Grüße, Martin [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reisemobil-Stellplatz ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wohnmobil-Stellplätze bei OSM
Hallo, sicherlich passen nicht alle vorgeschlagenen Tags. Aber Campingplätze (camp_site) beherbergen auch Wohnmobile, sodass egtl. alle nötigen Tags in dem Vorschlag enthalten sein sollten. Dann muss man nicht das Rad zweimal erfinden. Viele Grüße, aighes -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Wohnmobil-Stellplatze-bei-OSM-tp5073874p5079856.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Beschriftung an power:sub_station?
Alexander Matheisen wrote: Nein,es ist ja keine Adresse , sondern oft nur die Straße, sonst noch die Hausnummer des nächsten Hauses. Das ist dann die interne Bezeichnung für den Standort, die auf einem kleinen Schildchen unter dem Vorsicht Hochspannung-Schild steht, daher passt ref ziemlich gut. Genau so habe ich das auch in Erinnerung. In meinem Fall nichtmal die Straße sondern viel allgemeiner der Ortsname des am nächsten liegenden Orts. Ist aber nur ein Steinwurf entfernt. Wenn es der Diskussion hilft kann ich also ggf. gerne ein Foto liefern ;-) Ich werde das jetzt erstmal mit ref taggen. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Maperitive
Ja, gar nicht schlecht, wenn auch noch ein wenig Beta. Allerdings hat das Programm noch Probleme mit Gewässern. Hamburg sieht aus wie im Februar 1962 ;-) Jacques Hallo Community! Das neue KOSMOS heißt Maperitive! Ich habe angefangen, die Wikiseite auf deutsch zu übersetzen und kann noch etwas Unterstützung gebrauchen: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Maperitive Übrigens: Wer mit KOMOS nicht klar kam sollte Maperitive noch eine Chance geben! Das Bedienkonzept ist einfach klasse (per Befehlseile oder Skript). Die ersten Ergebnisse des Home-Rendering sehr vielversprechend. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] AIO keine Adressen mehr
Hallo Christoph, Am 19.05.2010 um 01:52 schrieb Christoph Wagner: Ist wohl irgendwas schief gelaufen. Weiß noch nicht was. Bitte morgen abend nochmal testen (falls er überhaupt durchkommt). Hab jetzt schon wieder einiges umgebaut. Filtere jetzt Daten mit osmosis vor (boundary,addr,maxspeed,keepright,osb) und splitte diese separat. Im best case ist morgen alles korrekt und es ist deutlich schneller fertig. Im worst case (oder average?) kackt er mal wieder ab und ich muss erstma Fehler suchen. Spät, aber er ist durchgelaufen ;-) Die Hausnummern sind auf einem 60CSx wieder sichtbar. Vielen herzlichen Dank! Als Dankeschön kommen die Tage dann wieder Hausnummern in die DB ;-) Gruß Kai ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Beschriftung an power:sub_station?
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 03:44:18PM +0200, Sebastian Klemm wrote: Hallo, Am 19.05.2010 14:42, schrieb Alexander Matheisen: ich hab auch schon ein paar solcher Häuschen eingetragen, und ich habe diese Angabe (in meinem Fall immer Straße mit/ohne Hausnummer) als ref angegeben. Bei Trafostationen ist ref=* für die Liniennummer vorgesehen (sorry, finde die Quelle gerade nicht), die Adresse passt da meiner Meinung nach nicht rein. Falls die Häuschen in Deiner Gegend tatsächlich eine Adresse haben, könntest Du diese mit dem addr:* Tag eintragen. Das ist keine adresse - das ist die ref - Die ref der linie/trasse sollte ein ein Objekt was die Linie oder Trasse darstellt. Den Namen der Straße packst du ja auch nicht auf die Nodes sondern auf die Straße ... Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de Es ist ein grobes Missverständnis und eine Fehlwahrnehmung, dem Staat im Internet Zensur- und Überwachungsabsichten zu unterstellen. - - Bundesminister Dr. Wolfgang Schäuble -- 10. Juli in Berlin signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] power=substation;tower
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:56:02AM +0200, Schorschi wrote: das ist wohl ein Mittelspannungsmast - oft 20 kV, manchmal auch 10 kV (kommt ein bißchen auf die Gegend an), außerdem geht wohl eine dreiphasige Niederspannungleitung zum Verbraucher (oder auch Einspeiser, heutzutage gibt's die ja glücklicherweise auch dezentral). Jau - Hier in der Gegend alles 10kV ... Wie wäre es mit einer Art (englische Übersetzung ist noch notwendig) power=tower trafo=yes trenner=yes voltage=2; 400 ... So habe ich das gemacht - wobei ich die 2tere Spannung weglasse - die muesste ich ja raten - steht ja nirgends - die 10kV Stehen ja typischerweise auf dem Schild - Also RWE, Standort, 10kV ... voltage gehört dann eher zur Leitung - obwohl, das weißt du :-) Wenn denn eine da ist - ich habe hier zunehmend eben auch welche ohne freileitung - da ist dann raten angesagt. Die voltage gehoert aber auch zum trafo. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de Es ist ein grobes Missverständnis und eine Fehlwahrnehmung, dem Staat im Internet Zensur- und Überwachungsabsichten zu unterstellen. - - Bundesminister Dr. Wolfgang Schäuble -- 10. Juli in Berlin signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Datenspende Haltestellen Osnabrück
hi lulu-ann, bin zwar kein osnabrücker, würde aber gerne wissen, in welcher form du unterstützung brauchst. - technische sachen beim öpnv (how to) - lokale kenntnisse - software - programmierung - kaffee oder tee ;;) ... eventuell fühlt sich dann jemand angesprochen gruss walter - Der Fehler tritt nicht sporadisch sondern nur ab und zu auf. - aus Hotline-Eintrag -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Datenspende-Haltestellen-Osnabruck-tp5074153p5081597.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Beschriftung an power:sub_station?
Am 20.05.2010 22:45, schrieb Florian Lohoff: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 03:44:18PM +0200, Sebastian Klemm wrote: Bei Trafostationen ist ref=* für die Liniennummer vorgesehen (sorry, finde die Quelle gerade nicht), die Adresse passt da meiner Meinung nach nicht rein. Falls die Häuschen in Deiner Gegend tatsächlich eine Adresse haben, könntest Du diese mit dem addr:* Tag eintragen. Das ist keine adresse - das ist die ref - Die ref der linie/trasse sollte ein ein Objekt was die Linie oder Trasse darstellt. Ja, eine richtige Adresse ist was anderes, deshalb hatte ich mich ja auch etwas gewundert. In meiner Gegend habe ich bisher keine Trafohäuschen mit Adress-Angabe gefunden. Die haben alle nur ein kleines Schildchen mit einer vierstelligen Nummer. Diese habe ich dann als 'ref' eingetragen. Meist steht noch nicht mal der 'operator' dran. Den Namen der Straße packst du ja auch nicht auf die Nodes sondern auf die Straße ... Die Straße kann ich wenigstens sehen, die vergrabenen Mittel-/Niederspannungsleitungen jedoch nicht ;-) Grüße, Sebastian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Neue Slippy Map (khtmlib)
Hallo liebe Mapper Wer auf der englischen Liste mitliest, kennt meine map library wahrscheinlich schon. Jetzt funktioniert die Map auf den meisten Browsern und ich poste das jetzt auch auf diese Liste. Getestete Browser: o Firefox o Internet Explorer o Chrome (super schnell) o Safari (super schnell) o iPhone/iPad mit multitouch zoom o Android - ein bisschen buggy o Konqueror Das ganze ist open source (LGPL) und wer will, kann das auf der eigenen Website einbauen. Features: o Schnelles stufenloses zoomen mit dem Mausrad o Multitouch auf dem iPhone/iPad o Vektor Graphik Die hardcode Programmiererei habe ich jetzt glaub hinter mir und nun möchte ich das so aufbereiten, dass die map auf vielen Webseiten verwendet werden kann. Da brauch ich jetzt aber Hilfe weil ich schon ein bisschen Betriebsblind bin ;-) Wo soll ich weitermachen? Was fehlt? Die Software die ich gemacht habe ist eine Map Library also sowas wie openlayers oder google maps api. Das einbinden der Karte sollte aber einmal so leicht sein wie mit google maps (oder einfacher). Die Projektseite ist hier zu finden: http://github.com/robotnic/khtmlib Ich habe bereits einige Beispielseiten zusammengebastelt: o http://khtml.org (automatisches Redirect) o http://www.khtml.org/osm/v0.52/quiz/ (ein Spiel) o http://www.khtml.org/osm/v0.52/extended.html (zeigt die letzten Änderungen auf OSM) o http://www.khtml.org/osm/v0.52/3d.html (perspekte für iPhone, iPad, Safari Mac) Wo soll ich weitermachen? liebe Grüße Bernhard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] JOSM und Maxspeed
Hallo Liste, gibt es in JOSM einen Schalter, mit dem ich die Maxspeed Färbung ab- und anschalten kann? un Tschuess Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Inkonsistente Küstenlinien
Hi! Eigentlich ist die Aufgabenstellung ganz einfach: Ich versuche, eine Garminkarte von Mitteleuropa zu erzeugen, mit Meerespolygonen, die per mkgmap aus den natural=coastline Tags erzeugt werden. Der Algorithmus in mkgmap funktioniert mittlerweile recht gut, allerdings gibt es Probleme mit inkonsistenter/falscher Verwendung des Tags. Beim ersten Versuch war eine Sektion der Karte in den Alpen komplett geflutet. Das Problem ließ sich auf eine kleine Insel in einem Binnensee zurückführen, die mit natural=coastline getaggt war, das Seeufer dagegen nicht, so daß folgerichtig die ganze Gegend zum Meer erklärt wurde. Also das falsche Tag entfernt und gewartet bis ein Planetfile-Auszug auf diesem Stand verfügbar war und neu generiert. Problem erledigt, allerdings war diesmal eine Kachel östlich von Berlin geflutet. Bis ich die Stelle herausdebugt hatte, war das Problem schon von einem anderen Mapper behoben. Also wieder gewartet und alles nochmal von vorn. Diesmal ist eine Kachel südlich von Würzburg geflutet... Kurz gesagt: Die Küstenlinien werden ebenso schell wieder beschädigt wie sie repariert werden können und es ist mir in den letzten 3 Wochen nicht gelungen, zufällig ein Planetfile mit komplett intakten Küstenlinien zu erwischen. Natürlich sind immer Inkonsistenzen im Datenbestand, aber bei Meerespolygonen besteht der extreme Effekt, daß ein winziger Defekt gleich eine ganze Gegend flutet und extrem auffällig ist. Ehrlich gesagt bin ich grade ziemlich ratlos - außer die Küstenlinie zu ignorieren und wieder auf händisch erzeugte Seepolygone zurückzugehen. Hat einer von Euch eine Idee, wie man das Problem in den Griff bekommen könnte? bye Nop -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Inkonsistente-Kustenlinien-tp5082833p5082833.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Itinerari su sentiero e strada
... Sto imparando a utilizzare le relazioni, ma non ho ben compreso come inserire solo una parte di way esistente in una relazione che descriva l'itinerario. Ho provato dividere un percorso, ma così la strada risulta divisa in almeno tre pezzi, rendendo complicato gestire l'intera way in caso di modifiche. Mi dareste qualche dritta, o qualche pagina da cui prendere spunto? Grazie mille e complimenti per il lavoro che state facendo. Silvio ___ Innanzi tutto benvenuto nella comunità. Non sembra un modo molto elegante ma il metodo è proprio quello di spezzare le way. La pagina relativa all'escursionismo è questa http://wiki.openstreetmap. org/wiki/IT:Map_Features/Escursionismo Personalmente quando mappo i guidepost aggiungo il campo 'description' nel quale inserisco le indicazioni sul/sui cartelli (lunghezza massima 255 caratteri); inoltre aggiungo tutto quello che può aiutare l'orientamento, come ad esempio le linee elettriche ed i tralicci (normalmente identificati da Txxx e Nxxx dove gli xxx sono l'identificativo della linea elettrica ed il numero progressivo del traliccio, informazioni che aggiungo nel campo 'ref'). Buona mappatura Ale_Zena_IT ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La psicologia del mappatore ;-)
Mail poco seria, spero mi perdonerete :-) considerazione secondo me interessante che coinvolge i mappatori della mia regione: - il mappatore è uno che si mappa ogni sentiero dove va a camminare: Cammino dunque mappo, visto che preferisco mille volti i sentieri ai vialetti dei centri commerciali mappo molto più i primi che i secondi. - oppure si segna ogni singolo vialetto e albero di un parco cittadino: http://osm.org/go/xX0mwOx6y-?layers=0B00FFF Le panchine dovrebbero esserci tutte, gli alberi non ancora - o ancora si mappa ogni singolo binario della ferrovia: Ci sto provando ma con scarso successo http://osm.org/go/xX0m4KkxY-?layers=0B00FFF in compenso cerco di mappare le piattaforme tra i binari ... ma, se può, evita di mappare il più grande centro commerciale della regione: Qui http://osm.org/go/xX0ndV0nE-?layers=0B00FFF ci sarebbe il secondo centro commerciale di Genova (Ooops) Ciao, Stefano Ciao Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Itinerari su sentiero e strada
2010/5/20 Silvio silvio...@gmail.com: Sto imparando a utilizzare le relazioni, ma non ho ben compreso come inserire solo una parte di way esistente in una relazione che descriva l'itinerario. Ho provato dividere un percorso, ma così la strada risulta divisa in almeno tre pezzi, rendendo complicato gestire l'intera way in caso di modifiche. Confermo la necessità di spezzare la way, se solo un tratto di essa fa parte della relazione. Se ne senti il bisogno puoi creare un'altra relazione per la sola way: all'inizio ne farò parte un solo segmento (quello iniziale), poi quando lo spezzi avrà tre membri (o anche più). Può tornare molto utile ad es. in caso di strade statali/provinciali, molto lunghe, che sono spezzate anche in prossimità di ponti / tunnel / rotonde / ecc. Quest'ultima relazione sarà: type=route route=road ed eventualmente name=, ref=, ecc. Fino a poco tempo fa non vedevo l'utilità di queste relazioni ma nell'ultimo periodo, da quando ho iniziato a ricalcare le ortofoto, mi sembrano molto utili: dall'alto vedo una provinciale ma non capisco bene se sia secondary o tertiary. La taggo in uno dei due modi ma comunque creo la relazione per tutta la provinciale. Così se in futuro io o un altro cambiamo idea sulla classificazione della provinciale, posso fare il download dei membri della relazione, selezionarli in un colpo solo e cambiare il tag highway. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ref di sentieri CAI da assegnare a highway=unclassified
2010/5/19 Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com: Userò la relazione allora. Il dubbio mi era sorto in quanto ad esempio per le *cn (cycle network) basta apporre alla highway - rcn=yes + rcn_ref=* senza creare una relazione. Per il cycle network il tag rcn_ref è una scorciatoia: funziona benissimo anche l'approccio con le relazioni e il tag ref sulla relazione (anzi personalmente lo preferisco: mi sembra più omogeneo e non devo imparare nuovi tag) Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ref di sentieri CAI da assegnare a highway=unclassified
2010/5/19 Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com: infatti il problema non è sui sentieri, dove appongo senza problemi il ref=* identificativo del sentiero, ma appunto su strade già reffate. In alcuni casi potresti essere costretto a levare il ref dal sentiero e lasciarlo solo sulla relazione: è il caso in cui lo stesso tratto di sentiero fa parte di più sentieri. Invece di mettere ref=2;2bis sulla way, mi sembra più chiaro non mettere niente sulla way e creare due relazioni distinte. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ref di sentieri CAI da assegnare a highway=unclassified
2010/5/19 Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com: L'unica cosa che finora non mi sono mai chiesto se un sentiero e' parte per es. di una alta via, devo far entrare nella route la route o i pezzi di sentiero?? Mi sembra più semplice (anche se più tedioso da mappare) mettere nella route dell'alta via direttamente i pezzi di sentiero, e non la route del sentiero. Questo perché mettere route dentro route richiede dei software più complessi: temo che né Mapnik, né mkgmap lo supportino Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] come taggare insiemi di alberi che non fanno un bosco
ciao a tutti! come da oggetto.. mi trovo a taggare gruppetti di alberi che però secondo me non costituiscono bosco o foresta.. cose dell'ordine delle decine di metri, o una cintura di alberi attorno a qualcosa.. cosa consigliereste? brunetto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
2010/5/19 Jacopo Girardi jacopog...@libero.it: Non credo che il criterio da seguire sia dobbiamo assomigliare alla Germania, altrimenti nel rendering l'Italia appare strana rispetto agli altri. Non è un (solo) un fatto estetico, ma di informazione. Sono un utente globale e guardo la mappa dell'Europa. Vedo che la Germania ha circa 100 città e l'Italia ne ha 50. Ciò mi dà un'informazione sull'urbanizzazione dei due paesi. Ma solo se i due concetti di città sono analoghi. Ad esempio Gianfranco ha fatto notare che la Francia è un paese macrocefalo. Si vede benissimo dalla cartina: le city sono molto poche, meno di quelle tedesche. Per questo dicevo che l'Italia potrebbe assomigliare alla Germania: abbiamo un tessuto urbano analogo. Di sicuro non dovrebbe assomigliare alla Francia. E che criterio hanno utilizzato in Germania? E in Francia? E in Inghilterra? In Germania: 100.000 abitanti. In Francia e in Inghilterra non lo so: suppongo che si siano appoggiati al criterio internazionale, che è 100.000 abitanti. Penso che questo concluda la discussione: usiamo anche noi lo stesso criterio, e il risultato che si ottiene è quello che c'è ora in mappa. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La psicologia del mappatore ;-)
Il 19 maggio 2010 23.03, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com ha scritto: * mappare l'interno del centro commerciale, senza l'aiuto del gps, non e` particolarmente efficiente Immagino le applicazioni: PDA da polso in cui le massaie potranno dire Oro Saiwa in offerta, e avere in risposta Proseguire dritto fino al reparto ortofrutta; svoltare a destra nella corsia Biscotti; Attenzione! Invertire il senso di marcia! Non devi prendere la Nutella, sei a dieta! :-D Ciao, Simone PS: E facciamocela 'sta risata, ogni tanto ;-) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
2010/5/19 Matteo matservi...@yahoo.it: roseto degli abruzzi credo poco sotto i 25000 abitanti, seconda come numero dopo Teramo, capoluogo di provincia Personalmente la taggherei place=town. Neppure Teramo attualmente è place=city, perché ha 55.000 abitanti. Attualmente le uniche place=city in Abruzzo sono L'Aquila (72.000 ab., capoluogo di regione) e Pescara (123.000 ab.) Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
Il 20 maggio 2010 10.31, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/5/19 Jacopo Girardi jacopog...@libero.it: Non credo che il criterio da seguire sia dobbiamo assomigliare alla Germania, altrimenti nel rendering l'Italia appare strana rispetto agli altri. Non è un (solo) un fatto estetico, ma di informazione. Sono un utente globale e guardo la mappa dell'Europa. Vedo che la Germania ha circa 100 città e l'Italia ne ha 50. Ciò mi dà un'informazione sull'urbanizzazione dei due paesi. Ma solo se i due concetti di città sono analoghi. Ad esempio Gianfranco ha fatto notare che la Francia è un paese macrocefalo. Si vede benissimo dalla cartina: le city sono molto poche, meno di quelle tedesche. Per questo dicevo che l'Italia potrebbe assomigliare alla Germania: abbiamo un tessuto urbano analogo. Di sicuro non dovrebbe assomigliare alla Francia. E che criterio hanno utilizzato in Germania? E in Francia? E in Inghilterra? In Germania: 100.000 abitanti. In Francia e in Inghilterra non lo so: suppongo che si siano appoggiati al criterio internazionale, che è 100.000 abitanti. Penso che questo concluda la discussione: usiamo anche noi lo stesso criterio, e il risultato che si ottiene è quello che c'è ora in mappa. Non sono d'accordissimo. Va bene usare lo stesso criterio qualitativo, ma le quantità andrebbero adattate. Pensiamo ad un Paese qualsiasi, che pur avendo un tessuto urbano simile a Italia e Germania risulta avere tre-quattro city perché, in quel Paese, avere 60.000 abitanti significa essere il centro urbano più grande dello Stato; staremmo falsando l'informazione. Quindi: va bene fare numero di abitanti + capoluogo di regione, ma il numero di abitanti va valutato. Secondo me, 100.000 è un po' troppo alto. In Piemonte ad esempio rimangono solo Torino e Novara. In Toscana sopravvivono Firenze, Prato e Livorno. Va bene limitare, ma mi sembra esagerato. Ciao, Federico Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La psicologia del mappatore ;-)
On 5/20/10, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Il 19 maggio 2010 23.03, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com ha scritto: * mappare l'interno del centro commerciale, senza l'aiuto del gps, non e` particolarmente efficiente Immagino le applicazioni: PDA da polso in cui le massaie potranno dire Oro Saiwa in offerta, e avere in risposta Proseguire dritto fino al reparto ortofrutta; svoltare a destra nella corsia Biscotti;[...] ehm, io parlavo di centri commerciali, non di supermercati, la mappa interna sarebbe di negozi indipendenti, non delle corsie del supermercato anche se... :D -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Classificazione strade principali di Roma
Stavo pensando alla via Flaminia, da viale Tor di Quinto al cimitero di Prima Porta la strada assume caratteristiche da superstrada vera e propria, due corsie per senso di marcia separate da spartitraffico, quindi non sarebbe meglio classificarlo come trunk quel tratto, visto anche che passa lungo una parte di Roma poco urbanizzata? -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Classificazione-strade-principali-di-Roma-tp5032689p5079074.html Sent from the Italy mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Rampa di accesso a parcheggio rialzato
Ciao a tutti, ultimamente si parla di parcheggi e centri commerciali. Qualcuno saprebbe aiutarmi a creare correttamente questa rampa [1], [2]? In realt non accessibile da anni e non so se mai stata aperta o mai lo sar, per lo considero un p come uno sfizio :-) Ciao e grazie Giuliano [1] http://www.zamboni.pro/IMG00011 .jpg [2] http://www.zamboni.pro/IMG00012 .jpg -- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
Federico Cozzi ha scritto: [...] roseto degli abruzzi credo poco sotto i 25000 abitanti, seconda come numero dopo Teramo, capoluogo di provincia Personalmente la taggherei place=town. Neppure Teramo attualmente è place=city, perché ha 55.000 abitanti. [...] si si è già taggata town credo, non la modifico ;) pensare invece di usare come discriminante tra city e town la densità di popolazione? ciao Matteo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
Se ne facciamo un problema di rendering applichiamo i criteri anglosassoni. Per le definizioni italiane aggiungerei un tag localizzato magari leggibile da uno stile di render nazionale. Questo stile potrebbe essere addirittura molto migliore applicando tags specifici per le diverse forme insediative. Definire uno stile per le città metropolitane ad esempio, aree urbanizzate multipolari dove non vi è una città nettamente predominante (vedi in Sicilia il territorio Ibleo o il trapanese). Troppo ambizioso forse passare in mappa gli esiti di alcuni studi sulle forme del territorio italiano e i suoi modelli insediativi che sono da anni presenti nella letteratura scientifica. Ma forse sto divagando. :-D Gianfranco Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:19:07 + From: matservi...@yahoo.it To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town Federico Cozzi ha scritto: [...] roseto degli abruzzi credo poco sotto i 25000 abitanti, seconda come numero dopo Teramo, capoluogo di provincia Personalmente la taggherei place=town. Neppure Teramo attualmente è place=city, perché ha 55.000 abitanti. [...] si si è già taggata town credo, non la modifico ;) pensare invece di usare come discriminante tra city e town la densità di popolazione? ciao Matteo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it _ MSN ti offre esattamente quello che cerchi: il tuo browser personale http://www.pimpit.it/ie8msn/___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La psicologia del mappatore ;-)
Simone Saviolo ha scritto: [...] Immagino le applicazioni: PDA da polso in cui le massaie potranno dire Oro Saiwa in offerta, e avere in risposta Proseguire dritto fino al reparto ortofrutta; svoltare a destra nella corsia Biscotti; Attenzione! Invertire il senso di marcia! Non devi prendere la Nutella, sei a dieta! :-D [...] :D io me la son fatta una risata ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] come taggare insiemi di alberi che non fanno un bosco
Il 20/05/2010 10.19, brunetto ha scritto: ciao a tutti! come da oggetto.. mi trovo a taggare gruppetti di alberi che però secondo me non costituiscono bosco o foresta.. cose dell'ordine delle decine di metri, o una cintura di alberi attorno a qualcosa.. cosa consigliereste? brunetto Per gli alberi isolati c'è natural=tree da assegnare a nodi ... peccato venga renderizzato con un piccolo puntino che spesso non rende l' idea e fa poco boschetto Ciao Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] come taggare insiemi di alberi che non fanno un bosco
sisi.. ma l'idea non era mappare gli alberi uno a uno ma piccole macchie.. tipo 20-30 m di lato.. brunetto Il 20 maggio 2010 14.57, albertobonati albertobon...@libero.it ha scritto: Il 20/05/2010 10.19, brunetto ha scritto: ciao a tutti! come da oggetto.. mi trovo a taggare gruppetti di alberi che però secondo me non costituiscono bosco o foresta.. cose dell'ordine delle decine di metri, o una cintura di alberi attorno a qualcosa.. cosa consigliereste? brunetto Per gli alberi isolati c'è natural=tree da assegnare a nodi ... peccato venga renderizzato con un piccolo puntino che spesso non rende l' idea e fa poco boschetto Ciao Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rampa di accesso a parcheggio rialzato
Il giorno 20 maggio 2010 12.42, G Zamboni gd.zamb...@tiscali.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, ultimamente si parla di parcheggi e centri commerciali. Qualcuno saprebbe aiutarmi a creare correttamente questa rampa [1], [2]? non si vedono le immagini Ciao e grazie Giuliano [1] http://www.zamboni.pro/IMG00011 .jpg [2] http://www.zamboni.pro/IMG00012 .jpg ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Talk-it Digest, Vol 42, Issue 47
0. Grazie al WMS PCN Ambiente! 1. Riguardo ogni singolo vialetto e albero di un parco cittadino: lo ritengo un esercizio di mappatura (come tutto il resto della zona --- vedi stadio) [l'esempio più assurdo è il sentierino a spirale nella parte bassa a sinistra del parco] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.0818lon=13.19485zoom=16layers=B000FTF diciamo che potrebbe essere rappresentativo di cosa si può fare su OSM! 1.1. se qualcuno vuole integrare la mappatura del parco del Cormor, ci sono altri filari di pioppi e alberaglia varia da segnare, qualche panchina e qualche fontanella. 2. Riguardo ... ma, se pu?, evita di mappare il pi? grande centro commerciale della regione: vedrai che con un po' di pazienza qualcosa comparirà anche li. :-) L From: Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com Subject: [Talk-it] La psicologia del mappatore ;-) To: openstreetmap list - italiano talk-it@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 201005192255.01420.stefano.salva...@gmail.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mail poco seria, spero mi perdonerete :-) considerazione secondo me interessante che coinvolge i mappatori della mia regione: - il mappatore ? uno che si mappa ogni sentiero dove va a camminare: http://osm.org/go/0IONSly - oppure si segna ogni singolo vialetto e albero di un parco cittadino: http://osm.org/go/0INoRLqo3- - o ancora si mappa ogni singolo binario della ferrovia: http://osm.org/go/0INoitYI ... ma, se pu?, evita di mappare il pi? grande centro commerciale della regione: http://osm.org/go/0INi748Xg- Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Classificazione strade principali di Roma
--- Gio 20/5/10, Madeco davide@gmail.com ha scritto: Da: Madeco davide@gmail.com Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Classificazione strade principali di Roma A: talk-it@openstreetmap.org Data: Giovedì 20 maggio 2010, 12:41 Stavo pensando alla via Flaminia, da viale Tor di Quinto al cimitero di Prima Porta la strada assume caratteristiche da superstrada vera e propria, due corsie per senso di marcia separate da spartitraffico, quindi non sarebbe meglio classificarlo come trunk quel tratto, visto anche che passa lungo una parte di Roma poco urbanizzata? -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Classificazione-strade-principali-di-Roma-tp5032689p5079074.html Sent from the Italy mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Io sono contrario in quanto una superstrada ha caratteristiche diverse. E soprattutto una superstrada (un trunk...) dovrebbe portare da qualche parte (secondo il principio che la classificazione dipende -anche- dall'importanza del collegamento): non è quindi il caso di avere trunk qualche chilometro di strada a 4 corsie che finisce improvvisamente all'altezza di un cimitero. Io voto per lasciarla primary. Ciao, Marco. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
Ora da geografo mi sento alquanto ignorante non sapervi dire con esattezza la definizione di città (enciclopedia della geografia non ha il termine città, devo recuperare dei libri a genova), ma da quanto mi ricordo vi sono stati studi storici su questa argomentazione in special modo mi ricordo di uno studio effettuato molti anni fa in germania che dimostrava come le dimensione delle città, e di conseguenza la tipologia, aveva un rapporto molto fisso legato alla distanza con un'altra dello stesso rango. Applicandolo all'italia di oggi (è bene di ricordarsi che il nostro territorio è molto diverso dalla germania) era uscito che c'erano due città di primissimo rango (Milano, Roma), poi una decina di secondo rango (Genova, Torino, Napoli, Palermo, Bari, Verona, Bologna, Firenze, Venezia ) e così via ad arrivare ai centri minori. Ora ragionando mi sembra che se vogliamo ridurci a un puro conteggiò di abitanti può andare bene però mi sembra al quanto riduttivo. Già che Torino e Novara posso essere paragonate mi viene male! (non me ne vogliano gli abitanti di queste due città) Riguardando un po' i tag mi sembra che manchi un categoria, le metropoli. Io vorrei proporlo, se c'è il supporto della comunità incomincio a scrivere la pagina wiki ciao Luca PS Mi riprometto di cercare la definizione di città e l'autore del studio sopra citato ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] come taggare insiemi di alberi che non fanno un bosco
-Original Message- From: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of brunetto Sent: giovedì 20 maggio 2010 10.19 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: [Talk-it] come taggare insiemi di alberi che non fanno un bosco ciao a tutti! come da oggetto.. mi trovo a taggare gruppetti di alberi che però secondo me non costituiscono bosco o foresta.. cose dell'ordine delle decine di metri, o una cintura di alberi attorno a qualcosa.. cosa consigliereste? brunetto A mio parere non è richiesta una dimensione minima, basta che l'area sia coperta da alberi, e soprattutto avere voglia di mapparla. Tanto poi la dimensione appare già dal rendering. Se nonostante la ridotta dimensione non ci sono tag più adatti (tipo leisure=garden o leisure=park), vada per il landuse. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] come taggare insiemi di alberi che non fanno un bosco
--- Gio 20/5/10, Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it ha scritto: Da: Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] come taggare insiemi di alberi che non fanno un bosco A: 'openstreetmap list - italiano' talk-it@openstreetmap.org Data: Giovedì 20 maggio 2010, 16:18 -Original Message- From: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of brunetto Sent: giovedì 20 maggio 2010 10.19 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: [Talk-it] come taggare insiemi di alberi che non fanno un bosco ciao a tutti! come da oggetto.. mi trovo a taggare gruppetti di alberi che però secondo me non costituiscono bosco o foresta.. cose dell'ordine delle decine di metri, o una cintura di alberi attorno a qualcosa.. cosa consigliereste? brunetto A mio parere non è richiesta una dimensione minima, basta che l'area sia coperta da alberi, e soprattutto avere voglia di mapparla. Tanto poi la dimensione appare già dal rendering. Se nonostante la ridotta dimensione non ci sono tag più adatti (tipo leisure=garden o leisure=park), vada per il landuse. Non per fare rumore, ma c'è una definizione legale di bosco in Italia che se non ricordo male era: minima superficie 2000 mq minimo lato 20m minima copertura di alberi 20% sotto tali limiti non si potrebbe parlare di bosco. Sono bosco anche le radure incluse nei boschi (cioè i buchi) quando non superiori a 2000mq more info: http://www.sian.it/osservatorio/jsp/mwanal147.jsp?idAlleg=1nome_file=1_def._giuridica_di_bosco2005.pdf Ciao, Marco. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rampa di accesso a parcheggio rialzato
Il 20/05/2010 15.44, Luca Delucchi ha scritto: Il giorno 20 maggio 2010 12.42, G Zambonigd.zamb...@tiscali.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, ultimamente si parla di parcheggi e centri commerciali. Qualcuno saprebbe aiutarmi a creare correttamente questa rampa [1], [2]? non si vedono le immagini C'era uno spazio di troppo nei link ... [1] http://www.zamboni.pro/IMG00011.jpg [2] http://www.zamboni.pro/IMG00012.jpg ciao Luca Ciao Giuliano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rampa di accesso a parcheggio rialzato
Il 20 maggio 2010 16.39, G Zamboni gd.zamb...@tiscali.it ha scritto: C'era uno spazio di troppo nei link ... scusa non me n'ero accorto [1] http://www.zamboni.pro/IMG00011.jpg [2] http://www.zamboni.pro/IMG00012.jpg secondo me, highway=service access=no oppure highway=proposed ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
2010/5/20 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com: che Torino e Novara posso essere paragonate mi viene male! (non me ne vogliano gli abitanti di queste due città) Purtroppo gli scalini su OSM sono molto pochi. Torino: 900.000 abitanti. Chiaramente place=city Canelli: 10.628 abitanti. Chiaramente place=town Novara: 104.000 abitanti. E' più simile a Torino o a Canelli? (domanda non retorica) La definizione di città che cerchiamo dovrebbe permetterci di capire dove collocare Novara. Nel medioevo la definizione di città come almeno una cattedrale era in fondo ragionevole. Al giorno d'oggi potremmo dire è città se ha almeno X? Se ha almeno una metropolitana? Se supera il PM10 almeno 10 giorni all'anno? ;-) Riguardando un po' i tag mi sembra che manchi un categoria, le metropoli. Io vorrei proporlo, se c'è il supporto della comunità incomincio a scrivere la pagina wiki C'è la proposta: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Metropolis Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rampa di accesso a parcheggio rialzato
Il 20 maggio 2010 17.16, G Zamboni gd.zamb...@tiscali.it ha scritto: Il 20/05/2010 16.57, Luca Delucchi ha scritto: Il 20 maggio 2010 16.39, G Zambonigd.zamb...@tiscali.it ha scritto: C'era uno spazio di troppo nei link ... scusa non me n'ero accorto [1] http://www.zamboni.pro/IMG00011.jpg [2] http://www.zamboni.pro/IMG00012.jpg secondo me, highway=service access=no oppure highway=proposed Si, d'accordo. Ma che layer? Faccio una way spezzata con layer crescenti? si, crei una way e la dividi in due il primo pezzo a fino dove non incontra l'accesso della rampa layer=1 e il secondo pezzo layer=2 Dovrei fare una way che parte dal parcheggio al livello del terreno, crea due cerchi sovrapposti con nodi diversi, e che poi raggiunge il soffitto dell'edificio, giusto? guarda secondo me per non combinare casini, fai il primo cerchio, poi con josm fai uno zoom a meno di un metro e crei li a fianco il secondo con punti leggermente separati, la differenza dovrebbe essere proprio minima e il risultato secondo me sarebbe megliore Ciao Giuliano ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
Il 20/05/2010 16:10, Luca Delucchi ha scritto: Ora da geografo mi sento alquanto ignorante non sapervi dire con esattezza la definizione di città (enciclopedia della geografia non ha il termine città, devo recuperare dei libri a genova), ma da quanto mi ricordo vi sono stati studi storici su questa argomentazione in special modo mi ricordo di uno studio effettuato molti anni fa in germania che dimostrava come le dimensione delle città, e di conseguenza la tipologia, aveva un rapporto molto fisso legato alla distanza con un'altra dello stesso rango. il modello delle località centrali di W. Christaller? O il modello rango-dimensione (rank-size rule) di Auerbach? andando più indietro nel tempo ci sarebbe pure il modello di Von Thunen... ciao Paolo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
Il 20 maggio 2010 17.40, Paolo Monegato gato.selvad...@gmail.com ha scritto: il modello delle località centrali di W. Christaller? questa! grazie mille ciao Paolo ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
Il 20 maggio 2010 17.22, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: Purtroppo gli scalini su OSM sono molto pochi. eh si Torino: 900.000 abitanti. Chiaramente place=city Canelli: 10.628 abitanti. Chiaramente place=town Novara: 104.000 abitanti. E' più simile a Torino o a Canelli? (domanda non retorica) a nessuna delle due forse :-) comunque se dovessi scegliere la metterei con canelli. C'è la proposta: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Metropolis è un po' vecchia, la riprendiamo? però la cambierei, lui propone di modificare la scala, io invece proporrei solo di aggiungere metropolis, che ne dite? in questo caso che procedura bisogna seguire per riattivare un proposed così vecchio? Ciao, Federico ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Classificazione strade principali di Roma
Il -10/01/-28163 20:59, Marco Certelli ha scritto: --- Gio 20/5/10, Madeco davide@gmail.com ha scritto: Da: Madeco davide@gmail.com Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Classificazione strade principali di Roma A: talk-it@openstreetmap.org Data: Giovedì 20 maggio 2010, 12:41 Stavo pensando alla via Flaminia, da viale Tor di Quinto al cimitero di Prima Porta la strada assume caratteristiche da superstrada vera e propria, due corsie per senso di marcia separate da spartitraffico, quindi non sarebbe meglio classificarlo come trunk quel tratto, visto anche che passa lungo una parte di Roma poco urbanizzata? -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Classificazione-strade-principali-di-Roma-tp5032689p5079074.html Sent from the Italy mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Io sono contrario in quanto una superstrada ha caratteristiche diverse. E soprattutto una superstrada (un trunk...) dovrebbe portare da qualche parte (secondo il principio che la classificazione dipende -anche- dall'importanza del collegamento): non è quindi il caso di avere trunk qualche chilometro di strada a 4 corsie che finisce improvvisamente all'altezza di un cimitero. Io voto per lasciarla primary. Ciao, Marco. Voto anche io per lasciarla primary -- www.ciemmona.org - 28-29-30 Maggio 2010 - Le bici invadono Roma ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
Il 20 maggio 2010 17.22, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/5/20 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com: che Torino e Novara posso essere paragonate mi viene male! (non me ne vogliano gli abitanti di queste due città) Purtroppo gli scalini su OSM sono molto pochi. Torino: 900.000 abitanti. Chiaramente place=city Canelli: 10.628 abitanti. Chiaramente place=town Novara: 104.000 abitanti. E' più simile a Torino o a Canelli? (domanda non retorica) Loro vorrebbero essere più simili a Milano :-D Diciamo che Novara non è né Torino né Canelli; è in una categoria che sta in mezzo. Qua in Piemonte, i capoluoghi di provincia vanno dai 30.000 abitanti di Verbania ai 105.000 di Novara, attraverso i 45-55 mila di Biella, Vercelli e Cuneo, i 75000 di Asti e i 98000 di Alessandria. Ci sono poi le città vicino a Torino, tipo Moncalieri 58.000 abitanti e Collegno 50.000. Casale Monferrato ha 35.000 abitanti e molti in zona vorrebbero che fosse fatta capoluogo di provincia, ed è storicamente il capoluogo del Monferrato; Ivrea ne ha appena 25.000 ma tutto il territorio circostante si identifica molto nella città (come fosse il capoluogo del Canavese). Novara e Alessandria, pur essendo grossi centri industriali (grossi almeno relativamente alla regione), sono in un certo senso le più grosse di questa categoria, non appartengono ad un'altra categoria. Avevo citato la Toscana; i toscani potranno confermare che almeno tutti i capoluoghi di provincia hanno un'importanza storica tale da rendere strano il fatto di non vederle su una mappa. Pisa, Siena, decine di altri grossi centri in tutta Italia (anche se non grossissimi) andrebbero messi anche solo per importanza turistica e culturale. In fondo, questo è un criterio che in Italia andrebbe applicato: da noi sono ben poche le grandi metropoli... Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
Il 20/05/2010 17:47, Luca Delucchi ha scritto: Il 20 maggio 2010 17.22, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: C'è la proposta: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Metropolis è un po' vecchia, la riprendiamo? però la cambierei, lui propone di modificare la scala, io invece proporrei solo di aggiungere metropolis, che ne dite? in questo caso che procedura bisogna seguire per riattivare un proposed così vecchio? Ma come verrà usato metropolis? nella proposta si parla di mezzo milione di abitanti... in teoria metropoli dovrebbe essere attorno a un milione (metropoli 1 mil, grande città 100 mila). Volendo si potrebbe usare metropolis per le aree metropolitane (dovrebbero essere una decina in IT, almeno secondo la legge), ma si possono usare i vari place=* per le agglomerazioni/conurbazioni? Cioè si possono contare i comuni della cintura assieme al comune capoluogo? Secondo la proposta linkata sopra pare di si (vedi seconda categoria), non sarebbe da scartare a priori un'idea del genere (se non ci si basa solo sulla popolazione... bisognerebbe vedere il pendolarismo, la percentuale di occupati divisi per settore, la presenza o meno dei media etc...) Ciao Paolo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Way che separa due landuse
Ciao, devo mappare due aree con tipi di coltura diversi: - landuse=forest - natural=scrub In mezzo c'e' uno sterrato che li divide. Premesso che ho (finalmente) imparato (spero) ad utilizzare i multipolygon. Se le due colture sono adiacenti, il problema non si pone. Utilizzo due volte il segmento comune (una volta nella relation del bosco, un'altra in quella della macchia mediterranea). E se il segmento comune e' highway=track? Va bene lo stesso oppure c'e' qualche controindicazione? Ciao /niubii/ Nessun virus nel messaggio in uscita. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 9.0.819 / Database dei virus: 271.1.1/2885 - Data di rilascio: 05/20/10 08:26:00 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati della retrocessione di molte city a town
2010/5/20 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Avevo citato la Toscana; i toscani potranno confermare che almeno tutti i capoluoghi di provincia hanno un'importanza storica tale da rendere strano il fatto di non vederle su una mappa. Pisa, Siena, decine di altri grossi centri in tutta Italia (anche se non grossissimi) andrebbero messi anche solo per importanza turistica e culturale. In fondo, questo è un criterio che in Italia andrebbe applicato: da noi sono ben poche le grandi metropoli... Anch'io sono rimasto sorpreso dell'assenza delle città storiche toscane ed ero tentato di promuoverle. Ma si potrebbe anche obiettare che una mappa deve riflettere la realtà reale, non quella che crediamo esista. Non sapevo assolutamente che Prato ha 186.000 abitanti e Siena 54.000. Ecco i due andamenti demografici: Prato: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/timeline/85b42db1fbac168bfdcd8c1c538b6b6b.png Siena: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/timeline/3c0d2c9e752d377589a84178abe15641.png Dal secondo dopoguerra Prato è cresciuta rapidamente e, forse non importante quanto Siena dal punto di vista storico, l'ha sicuramente superata dal punto di vista economico. In ogni caso il criterio storico mi sembra promettente ma difficile. Ho provato più volte a fare un elenco di città da promuovere a place=city sebbene con meno di 100.000 abitanti ma non l'ho mai inviato in lista perché, dopo averlo steso, mi sono accorto che è molto soggettivo. Ad esempio promuoverei Lucca (84.000 abitanti) ma non promuoverei Torre del Greco (87.000 abitanti). Qualcuno se la sente di condividere (magari tramite Google Docs) un elenco di città con meno di 100.000 abitanti da promuovere a place=city? Si può pescare da qui: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuni_italiani_con_pi%C3%B9_di_50.000_abitanti Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
