Re: [Talk-it] Problema rendering chiese

2015-01-07 Per discussione Aury88
Any File wrote
 mi verrebbe da dedurre che building=church vada solo sull'edificio, mentre
 amenity=place_of_worship, religion=* e  denomination=* su un area che
 comprenda anche il terreno circostante.
 
 E d'altra parte questa è anche la strategia seguita dalla pagina sulle
 scuole
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dschool
 
 Tutto sommato non capisco molto il criterio della modifica del rendering.
 Se si vuole segnare sulla mappa i luoghi di culto allora bisognerebbe
 basarsi sugli amenity=place_of_worship. In questo modo si segnerebbero
 anche i luoghi di culto che non sono dentro ad una chiesa.
 
 Al contrario se si vuole segnare sulla mappa gli edifici che sono
 chiese (e secondo la definizione del wiki rientrano in questa
 categoira anche le chiese sconsacrate o mai consacrate), allora
 bisognerebbe usare building=church

l'avevo notato questa differenza...ho risolto il mio conflitto con questo
ragionamento arrampicato sugli specchi:tutto nasce dal fatto di identificare
l'area dove realmente si svolge l'attività; mentre in una scuola il giardino
per esempio è raggiungibile dagli studenti per le attività ricreative e
quindi anche quell'area necessiterebbe di identificazione tramite
amenity=school solitamente per la religione tutto si svolge all'interno
dell'edificio o in una determinata area e quindi solo quell'area viene
dotata di tag amenity.
Con questo ragionamento quindi classifico in maniera diversa un terreno
attorno la chiesa senza particolari funzioni religiose (landuse=religious)
da un terreno adibito proprio al culto (amenity=place_of_worship). escludo
dall'ultimo caso i cimiteri perchè non luogo di culto in se e perchè la
parte del culto in essi svolta è implicità nel termine cimitero (magari
meglio se associato ad una religione quando possibile).
tutte le chiese realizzate con questa intenzione sono building=church quelle
sconsacrate non hanno il tag amenity=place_of_worship quelle in uso sì. Può
capitare anche il caso opposto e cioè che edifici che non sono chiese
accolgano al proprio interno attività religiose in quel caso, secondo me, ci
va l' amenity=place_of_worship e non il building=church...per esempio a
Manfria, frazione di Gela, c'è una villetta che a suo tempo fu donata alla
chiesa e dove adesso si svolgono regolari attività religiose. 
questo ragionamento fallisce clamorosamente con aree particolari tipo La
Mecca oppure Piazza San Pietro dove l'attività religiosa è svolta non solo
all'interno dell'edificio, ma (e aggiungerei anche un sopratutto) nel luogo
aperto eppure non vengono comprese nell'amenity=place_of_worship :-/



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] weeklyOSM en français?

2015-01-07 Per discussione Brice MALLET

Bonjour,

Je suis également volontaire pour intervenir, sur la base d'une 
rotation, en tant que traducteur.


Brice

Le 05/01/2015 17:51, Emmanel Dewaele a écrit :

Bonjour,

Pour ma part, j'ai répondu en privé il y a une semaine, sans réponse jusqu'à
présent. J'ai suivi le lien [hidden mail] de Nabble et écrit mon message
dans le formulaire, mais il faut croire que celui-ci a du se perdre ;-( En
tout cas, je me porte volontaire pour participer à un hebdo OSM.



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Re: [Talk-de] Start der öffentlichen Beteiligung zur Nationalen Geoinformationsstrategie (NGIS)

2015-01-07 Per discussione Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 06 January 2015, Joachim Kast wrote:

 Ich habe letztes Jahr an einem Workshop der Koordinierungsstelle
 teilgenommen und die wichtigsten allgemeinen Gedanken der
 OSM-Community dargelegt. Da es aber sicherlich auch zusätzliche
 Meinungen und Ideen aus dem immer breiter werdenden Spektrum der
 Community gibt, bitte ich alle Interessierten, sich an der anonymen
 Umfrage zu beteiligen.

Das ist sicher eine gute Idee, allerdings ist die Umfrage im 
Wesentlichen eine Abnick-Aufforderung mit sehr vagen Formulierungen.

Wenngleich natürlich nicht sichergestellt ist, dass die Freitext-Felder 
irgendeine Berücksichtigung finden, ist es vermutlich sinnvoll, dort 
ein paar klare und deutliche Forderungen zu hinterlassen.

Insbesondere finde ich die Fokussierung auf 'Verwaltung, Wirtschaft und 
Wissenschaft' sehr problematisch, wäre sicher gut, die darauf 
hinzuweisen, dass es daneben auch noch andere Bereiche gibt (man denke 
zum Beispiel an Freizeit, Kunst, Bildung, ...)

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Re: [Talk-it] Problema rendering chiese

2015-01-07 Per discussione Giovanni Caudullo
Ciao,
sono d'accordo con Aury. Anch'io mi sono trovato a identificare delle
aree di pertinenza alle chiese, in altri termini il centro
parrocchiale, che spesso ha molti altri edifici oltre la chiesa e
anche un centro sportivo con campi da gioco. Oppure penso anche ad
aree circoscritte più ampie e complesse come i conventi e abbazie.
Fin'ora le ho classificate come aree residenziali, ma
landuse=religious mi sembra che possa calzare perfettamente.
Saluti
Giovanni

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Re: [Talk-in] mapping trees

2015-01-07 Per discussione Nagarjuna G
On Friday 19 Dec 2014 7:59:50 AM Aditya Nag wrote:
 I didn't know that there were plans to launch OSM India website! Count
 me in as another volunteer for developing it. I know a little bit of
 this and a little bit of that, but I'll learn along the way. :D
 
 Cheers,
 Aditya Nag
 


We did a trial mapping of trees on an instance of opentreemap at 
http://trees.metastudio.org/mumbai yesterday.  We mapped about 50 trees, and 
will be doing many more during this month.  

the Procedure that we followed, one hour of field on the street with 
fieldpapers 
to mark the positions of the trees, and then we returned to the lab and mapped 
the trees with name and address.   

Will update the documentation on the site and will be keeping the site ready 
for the use of several volunteers who will join from 13th onwards. 

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Re: [Talk-in] mapping trees

2015-01-07 Per discussione Anush Shetty
In Bangalore, some of us coordinate an annual tree festival called Neralu
(meaning shade in kannada). There have been several efforts in Bangalore on
mapping avenue trees and it would be nice if the same platform is extended
to other cities as well.

More details about Neralu here: http://neralu.in

Anush

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Nagarjuna G nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote:

 On Friday 19 Dec 2014 7:59:50 AM Aditya Nag wrote:
  I didn't know that there were plans to launch OSM India website! Count
  me in as another volunteer for developing it. I know a little bit of
  this and a little bit of that, but I'll learn along the way. :D
 
  Cheers,
  Aditya Nag
 


 We did a trial mapping of trees on an instance of opentreemap at
 http://trees.metastudio.org/mumbai yesterday.  We mapped about 50 trees,
 and
 will be doing many more during this month.

 the Procedure that we followed, one hour of field on the street with
 fieldpapers
 to mark the positions of the trees, and then we returned to the lab and
 mapped
 the trees with name and address.

 Will update the documentation on the site and will be keeping the site
 ready
 for the use of several volunteers who will join from 13th onwards.

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Re: [Talk-in] mapping trees

2015-01-07 Per discussione Yogesh

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 I didn't know that there were plans to launch OSM India website! Count
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 this and a little bit of that, but I'll learn along the way. :D

 Cheers,
 Aditya Nag



 We did a trial mapping of trees on an instance of opentreemap at
 http://trees.metastudio.org/mumbai yesterday. 

It is using google maps.! Was it supposed to be on OSM layer.?!


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Re: [OSM-talk] MEP - pipelines

2015-01-07 Per discussione Janko Mihelić
Dana 7. 1. 2015. 03:53 osoba Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com
napisala je:

 While we're at it, it would be nice to have a database that allows going
from the tagged item (e.g., fitness centre) to recommended tag.


 The iD editor has a nice internal feature called aliases, so a person
looking to add a restroom will find the toilet preset.


+1
We need something like those aliases, but centralised so all editors have
the same presets, and data consumers don't have to dig around our wiki and
taginfo to find what they need.

Also, if data consumers use this potential online service to dinamically
get the tags they need, their process wouldn't be vulnerable to these kinds
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Per discussione Henning Hollburg
Hi,

as far as I understand the community guideline the creation of a
routable graph from the OSM data (only!) is regarded a trivial
transformation that doesn't have to be published under the ODbL.

I am wondering now what happens when you combine this graph with other
(non open) data.

One example is Skobbler:

http://developer.skobbler.com/features#qualityMapData

///traffic data from millions of devices is being reintegrated into our
navigation map and routing algorithm. This means that your next route
will take the latest turn restrictions, traffic speed, speed cameras,
and more into consideration.///

some more information:

http://stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why-openstreetmap-is-now-navigation-ready-for-people-like-you/

Doesn't this mean that this data has to be published according to the
ODbL? If not, why?

Best regards

Henning


Am 07.01.2015 um 09:51 schrieb Karel Charvat:
 Thank you very much. I needed exactly somethink like this.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Orne - communes nouvelles

2015-01-07 Per discussione Pieren
2015-01-07 0:28 GMT+01:00 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr:
 On en avait discuté ici, il n'y a aucune confusion possible entre les
 arrondissements municipaux de PLM et les communes associées partout
 ailleurs.

Ben, c'est les mêmes tags, donc il y a bien confusion. En plus, si
c'était validé, pourquoi est-ce que le wiki n'en parle pas ?

 D'ailleurs administrativement c'est vraiment très proche;

Proche mais pas la même chose. On pourrait imaginer un cas (très
théorique) où une ville à arrondissements s'associe avec des communes
voisines. C'est peu probable mais c'est juste pour montrer que dans ce
cas, il n'y aurait aucun tag qui distinguerait arrondissements et
communes associées...
A noter que quelqu'un a utilisé le niveau 9 pour des sous-ensembles de
la métropole de Nantes:
http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=10lat=47.20573lon=-1.35742layers=BFFTFFF
Le niveau choisi est certainement incorrect mais on peut même se
demander si ce découpage a un intérêt pour OSM.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Per discussione Karel Charvat
Thank you very much. I needed exactly somethink like this.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Per discussione Simon Poole
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Per discussione Simon Poole

Marketing != Reality

It is just some marketing blurb to sell their product, trying to derive
what they are really doing from it is just speculation.

We -do- know that TeleNav has added lots of stuff to OSM directly (for
example http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/28211) and/or are
providing such data to the OSM community ScoutSigns, maproulette
challenges etc. for use to improve OSM data. Which all is clearly
unproblematic, not to say very good.

Simon

Am 07.01.2015 um 10:30 schrieb Henning Hollburg:
 Hi,
 
 as far as I understand the community guideline the creation of a
 routable graph from the OSM data (only!) is regarded a trivial
 transformation that doesn't have to be published under the ODbL.
 
 I am wondering now what happens when you combine this graph with other
 (non open) data.
 
 One example is Skobbler:
 
 http://developer.skobbler.com/features#qualityMapData
 
 ///traffic data from millions of devices is being reintegrated into our
 navigation map and routing algorithm. This means that your next route
 will take the latest turn restrictions, traffic speed, speed cameras,
 and more into consideration.///
 
 some more information:
 
 http://stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why-openstreetmap-is-now-navigation-ready-for-people-like-you/
 
 Doesn't this mean that this data has to be published according to the
 ODbL? If not, why?
 
 Best regards
 
 Henning
 
 
 Am 07.01.2015 um 09:51 schrieb Karel Charvat:
 Thank you very much. I needed exactly somethink like this.

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Re: [OSM-talk] MEP - pipelines

2015-01-07 Per discussione althio althio
Maybe derailling and off-topic but anyway I do agree...
To be discussed on tagging, dev, ...?

 While we're at it, it would be nice to have a database that allows going
 from the tagged item (e.g., fitness centre) to recommended tag.

 The iD editor has a nice internal feature called aliases, so a person
 looking to add a restroom will find the toilet preset.

 +1
 We need something like those aliases, but centralised so all editors have
 the same presets, and data consumers don't have to dig around our wiki and
 taginfo to find what they need.

+1

 Also, if data consumers use this potential online service to dinamically get
 the tags they need, their process wouldn't be vulnerable to these kinds of
 changes.

+1

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[OSM-talk-fr] Qualification des divergences OSM = Fantoir

2015-01-07 Per discussione Vincent de Château-Thierry
Bonjour à tous, et bonne année 2015

L'outil de qualification des divergences entre libellés Fantoir et libellés OSM 
[1] a un peu plus d'1 mois maintenant. Il a déjà permis de noter des remontées 
sur plus de 1200 voies, réparties sur 330 communes. Merci à chacun pour le 
temps consacré à consigner ces observations.

Mis en carte, ça donne ceci (données de ce matin):

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/localisation-des-divergences-osm-fantoir_25369#6/46.627/2.461

Cette masse d'informations va occasionner des retours d'infos vers la DGFiP, 
émettrice du Cadastre et du registre Fantoir. La forme de ces retours, et leur 
périodicité, restent à élaborer.

vincent

[1] : http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] weeklyOSM en français?

2015-01-07 Per discussione althio althio
Nous t'ajoutons au groupe.

2015-01-07 10:59 GMT+01:00 Brice MALLET brice...@free.fr:
 Bonjour,

 Je suis également volontaire pour intervenir, sur la base d'une rotation, en
 tant que traducteur.

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[OSM-talk-be] UrbIS import

2015-01-07 Per discussione Pierre Parmentier
Could somebody remind me the location of the comparative maps of imported
vs not imported buildings in Brussels region?

More precisely: where are the areas not yet imported?

Pierre P.
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[Talk-it] Aggiornamenti mapnik lenti

2015-01-07 Per discussione emmexx
E' solo una mia impressione o ultimamente i tiles di mapnik vengono 
aggiornati molto piu' lentamente rispetto a qualche tempo fa?


Zone che in mapquest open risultano aggiornate da giorni, in mapnik 
ancora non ci sono o sono parzialmente aggiornate.


ciao
maxx

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Re: [Talk-it] Aggiornamenti mapnik lenti

2015-01-07 Per discussione Federico Cortese
2015-01-07 12:04 GMT+01:00 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it:
 E' solo una mia impressione o ultimamente i tiles di mapnik vengono
 aggiornati molto piu' lentamente rispetto a qualche tempo fa?

L'ho notato anch'io. Sarà forse a causa dei recenti aggiornamenti di
stile, che magari hanno rallentato il sistema in questo primo periodo?
Tra l'altro ho notato che col nuovo stile non viene più renderizzato
il tourism=attraction.

Ciao
Federico

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Re: [Talk-it] Aggiornamenti mapnik lenti

2015-01-07 Per discussione Alessandro Rubini
 L'ho notato anch'io. Sara` forse a causa dei recenti aggiornamenti di
 stile, che magari hanno rallentato il sistema in questo primo periodo?

Gia tempo fa (about one month ago, che gli venga qualcosa) ho
aggiunto dei particolari che hanno impiegato svariati giorni ad
apparire sul rendering (almeno 24h per esserci ad un livello di zoom,
non ricordo quale, e gli altri molto molto dopo).

Qui:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.19486/9.15331

non solo c'e` il vecchio stile, ma mancano anche dei dettagli di 4
giorni fa (non c'e` la data, detesto queste cose da terzo millennio).


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[Talk-co] Presentacion y pregunta sobre ubicacion de barrios en bogota

2015-01-07 Per discussione Peter Escamilla Mahecha
Saludos, antes que nada me presento, soy Peter Escamilla y me gusta mucho
el tema de actualizar los mapas, mientras estuvo activo mapmaker en
colombia hice mas de 1000 ediciones, y en openstreetmap aunque no llevo
mucho espero ayudar en lo posible.

Luego de encontrar la comunidad de Colombia queria hacerles una pregunta,
veo que los barrios los tienen ubicados como un punto y no como un area,
esto es por algo en particular o puedo editarlos para hacerlos areas?
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Orne - communes nouvelles

2015-01-07 Per discussione Philippe Verdy
Le wiki ne parle que des co,,unes sans faire de distinction des statuts.
Il dit ce qu'il faut faire pour les arrondissements mais il dit aussi que
le niveau 10 c'est pour les quartiers (dont les communes associées comme
les arrondissements de communes, sont AUSSI composées !) Mettre les
communes associées en niveau 10 est donc complètement stupide.

J'insiste il n'y a aucune confusion possible entre arrondissements et
communes associées, il n'y a aucun conflit à les mêler au même niveau OSM
(d'autant plus qu'on les connait et que cela ne concerne que 3 communes en
France et que leur nom ne fait aucune ambiguité; et qu'en plus les communes
associées ont bel et bien un numéro INSEE et un numéro SIREN; ce ne sont
pas des anciennes communes au sens où on l'entends, elles existent et
sont importantes pour les ambiguités d'adresses à ause des rues homonymes,
leur nom est directement utilisé dans les adresses postales)

Elles sont affichées sur les panneaux d'entrée d'agglomération ainsi qu'au
sein de la même commune-fusion entre les communes associées membres dans la
même agglomération par exemple:

  
W A Z E M M E S
   (Commune de Lille)
  

Et s'il fait un tag supplémentaire pour les pointilleux qui voient mal le
mélange entre arrondissements et communes associées, c'est un tag
supplémentaire pour la poignée d'arrondissements, et par défaut de ce tag
considérer le niveau 9 pour toutes les communes associées (il y en a plus
de 700, leur nombre est à nouveau en hausse rapide après des années de
relative stagnation). Pour ça un admin_type=arrondissement serait
suffisant pour compléter les arrondissements de Pairs/Lyon/Marseille (par
défaut admin_type=commune pour les niveaux 8 et 9 en France, le niveau 8
étant pour les communes pleines et les communes fusion-association, mais ce
tag est implicite et n'a pas nécessité à être mis sur les ~36000 communes
françaises). On pourrait aussi utiliser le tag existant border_type=* sauf
que ses valeurs sont internationalisées et ne prennent pas en compte les
différences de statuts spécifiques à un pays.

Ca laisse le niveau 10 libre pour les quartiers administratifs (et rappel :
pas de 11e niveau dans OSM selon une décision prise il y a longtemps; et
mise en oeuvre ausi dans d'autres pays dont l'Allemagne). Et aucune
confusion possible là aussi.


Le 7 janvier 2015 10:37, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 2015-01-07 0:28 GMT+01:00 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr:
  On en avait discuté ici, il n'y a aucune confusion possible entre les
  arrondissements municipaux de PLM et les communes associées partout
  ailleurs.

 Ben, c'est les mêmes tags, donc il y a bien confusion. En plus, si
 c'était validé, pourquoi est-ce que le wiki n'en parle pas ?

  D'ailleurs administrativement c'est vraiment très proche;

 Proche mais pas la même chose. On pourrait imaginer un cas (très
 théorique) où une ville à arrondissements s'associe avec des communes
 voisines. C'est peu probable mais c'est juste pour montrer que dans ce
 cas, il n'y aurait aucun tag qui distinguerait arrondissements et
 communes associées...
 A noter que quelqu'un a utilisé le niveau 9 pour des sous-ensembles de
 la métropole de Nantes:

 http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=10lat=47.20573lon=-1.35742layers=BFFTFFF
 Le niveau choisi est certainement incorrect mais on peut même se
 demander si ce découpage a un intérêt pour OSM.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Nove preklady Wiki

2015-01-07 Per discussione Michal Pustějovský
Vypadá to pěkně. Dobrá práce. Jen u jednotek u tabulky s nestandardními 
jednotkami máš sloupec  Převod na implicitní jednotku. Vztahy ale převádějí 
na metry, které např. u 'distance' nejsou impl. jednotkou. Navrhuju přejmenovat 
sloupec na Převod na základní jednotku.


Michal

7. ledna 2015 14:18:20 CET, Dalibor Jelínek dali...@dalibor.cz napsal:
Ahoj,

zase jsem chvilku prekladal wiki, tak jestli ma chut si to po mne
precist,
pripadne opravit,

tak budu rad.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:area

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:height

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:width

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:length

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:distance

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Map_Features/Units

 

Zdravi,

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Orne - communes nouvelles

2015-01-07 Per discussione Philippe Verdy
Concernant les poles de proximité de l'agglomération de Nantes (ils
existent depuis longtemps avant même la création récente du nouveau statut
de métropole pour l'EPCI) ce n'est pas approprié car c'est un découpage de
l'EPCI qui comprend des morceaux de communes multiples ou des communes
entières, qui sont pourtant des communes simples non fusionnées.
Ce n'est pas un découpage 'administratif au sens de division territoriale
de l'Etat.

Si on a mis les EPCI à part dans boundary=local_authority on n'a pas prévu
autre chose qu'un tag de statut de cette autorité locale pour le type
d'EPCI et uniquement pour les EPCI à fiscalité propre (pas les syndicats;
ni les autres structures de coopération comme les structure d'adhésion et
de gestion des parcs régionaux ou les agences de bassin ou agences
portuaires ou zones franches); et on n'a pas prévu que ces structures
puissent avoir leur propre découpage (ici pour des zones de planification
des services pris en charge par l'EPCI).

En revanche admin_level a été réutilisé pour le découpage religieux
catholique mais SANS réutiliser boundary=administrative.

Cela pourrait servir d'exemple aussi pour le découpage des EPCI en gardant
boundary=local_authority (dont la valeur par défaut pour admin_level peut
être considérée de niveau 6 ou 7 si on considère le cas de la métropole de
Lyon, ses membres étant alors des communes et arrondissements au niveau 8
ou 9 ou des quartiers au niveau 10 ou des zones d'autorité locale, non
administratives, comme les pôles de service de l'agglomération de Nantes
devenant métropole)


Le 7 janvier 2015 10:37, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 2015-01-07 0:28 GMT+01:00 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr:
  On en avait discuté ici, il n'y a aucune confusion possible entre les
  arrondissements municipaux de PLM et les communes associées partout
  ailleurs.

 Ben, c'est les mêmes tags, donc il y a bien confusion. En plus, si
 c'était validé, pourquoi est-ce que le wiki n'en parle pas ?

  D'ailleurs administrativement c'est vraiment très proche;

 Proche mais pas la même chose. On pourrait imaginer un cas (très
 théorique) où une ville à arrondissements s'associe avec des communes
 voisines. C'est peu probable mais c'est juste pour montrer que dans ce
 cas, il n'y aurait aucun tag qui distinguerait arrondissements et
 communes associées...
 A noter que quelqu'un a utilisé le niveau 9 pour des sous-ensembles de
 la métropole de Nantes:

 http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=10lat=47.20573lon=-1.35742layers=BFFTFFF
 Le niveau choisi est certainement incorrect mais on peut même se
 demander si ce découpage a un intérêt pour OSM.

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Re: [Talk-dk] Licens igen

2015-01-07 Per discussione Julian Hollingbery
Jeg er enig med Michel i hans vurdering af non-profit vs. minister. Mit 
oprindelige indlæg var mest en reaktion på forventningen om at der kunne skabes 
klarere linier end der er i dag - det tror jeg ikke der kan. Til gengæld tror 
jeg at vi, med den pragmatiske hat på, sagtens kan bruge de frikøbte data, hvis 
vi, som Michel siger, tager højde for at der måske opstår den situation at man 
bliver bedt om at fjerne data igen. Helt i tråd med de navnkundige Cease and 
Desist-breve som florerer indenfor håndhævelse af immaterielle rettigheder.

Mvh
/julian

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Nu skal vi lige slå kold vand i blodet.  Ja, loven kan være en mærkeligt ting, 
men retslige konsekvenser vil ikke opstå med mindre en minister ønsker det.  
En politiker som sagsøger en non-profit for gratis at servere Danskerne data de 
allerede har betalt for igennem deres skat?  politisk selvmord er den udtryk 
du leder efter.  Det er ikke en skattekonstruktion i Luxembourg vi snakker om!  
Worst case scenario er en løftet pegefinger, et ønske om at fjerne data så 
vidt muligt og forbud at gøre det igen i fremtiden.  Og hvis Christiansborg 
får rotter i loftet og sagsøger, så vil jeg gerne møde den dommer som udstøder 
bøder.  Så ren teknisk synes jeg vi skal tage udgangspunkt i et realistisk 
worst case.  Hvis import-robotten tagger alt med kilden, burde en 
slette-robot kunne fjerne det igen så vidt muligt.

mvh
Michel


2015-01-06 17:48 GMT+01:00 Kristian Krægpøth k.kragp...@gmail.com:

 For nogen tid siden blev der diskuteret masseimport af bygninger fra GST.
 I den forbindelse forklarede Julian Hollingbery, at der måske engang i 
 fremtiden kunne opstå problemer, hvis nogen enten inden for 
 administrationen eller i det politiske system fik ondt af, at OSM 
 brugte GST-data.

 Hvis man/vi/OSM nu beslutter at ville importere data fra GST, bliver 
 man vel også nødt til at overveje konsekvenserne, hvis det viser sig 
 at importen er ulovlig, at der på et senere tidspunkt måske vil blive 
 rejst en sag om ulovlig anvendelse af data.

 Kan det klares ved, at de importerede data blot fjernes igen fra OSM? 
 I så fald må man sørge for, at dataene ikke bliver alt for meget 
 spundet ind i de øvrige data. Eller at man på én eller anden måde kan 
 bevare de data, som senere er hægtet på bygningerne.

 Eller kan der blive tale om retslige konsekvenser for den bidragyder, 
 som har lagt data ind i OSM fra GST? Er det noget, som kan give bøder, 
 eller er det ligefrem en kriminel handling?

 Er der nogen, der ved noget om konsekvenserne i tilfælde af, at OSM på 
 et senere tidspunkt bliver bedt om at fjerne GST-data?

 Venlig hilsen
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[Talk-cz] Nove preklady Wiki

2015-01-07 Per discussione Dalibor Jelínek
Ahoj,

zase jsem chvilku prekladal wiki, tak jestli ma chut si to po mne precist,
pripadne opravit,

tak budu rad.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:area

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:height

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:width

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:length

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:distance

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Map_Features/Units

 

Zdravi,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] UrbIS import

2015-01-07 Per discussione Marc Gemis
I found this mail from October last year. I have no idea whether it is
still updated.




Hi everybody :)

here are the latest stats :)

As usual, the datas + graph

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Aitf6GpM7KbYdGpvcWtNbVRoMU41VnowZU1nMXdGZEEoutput=html

And the tiles...

http://osm.bmaron.net/urbis_img/tiles/


We are now at ~60% of the buildings... (stats of yesterday a 20:55)

Enjoy :)

regards

Brice

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Pierre Parmentier 
pierrecparment...@gmail.com wrote:

 Could somebody remind me the location of the comparative maps of imported
 vs not imported buildings in Brussels region?

 More precisely: where are the areas not yet imported?

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Re: [Talk-it] Aggiornamenti mapnik lenti

2015-01-07 Per discussione Giuliano
Title: Firma

  
  
Scusate, è partita un'email
  involontaria...
  Ciao
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  Il 07/01/2015 13:58, Giuliano ha scritto:


  
  


  
  Firma
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Il 07/01/2015 12:16, Federico Cortese ha scritto:
  
  
2015-01-07 12:04 GMT+01:00 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it:


  E' solo una mia impressione o ultimamente i tiles di mapnik vengono
aggiornati molto piu' lentamente rispetto a qualche tempo fa?


L'ho notato anch'io. Sarà forse a causa dei recenti aggiornamenti di
stile, che magari hanno rallentato il sistema in questo primo periodo?
Tra l'altro ho notato che col nuovo stile non viene più renderizzato
il tourism=attraction.

Ciao
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] UrbIS import

2015-01-07 Per discussione eMerzh
yeah my last mail was in october :

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2014-October/006136.html

so ... no evolutions since then...



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found this mail from October last year. I have no idea whether it is
 still updated.




 Hi everybody :)

 here are the latest stats :)

 As usual, the datas + graph


 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Aitf6GpM7KbYdGpvcWtNbVRoMU41VnowZU1nMXdGZEEoutput=html

 And the tiles...

 http://osm.bmaron.net/urbis_img/tiles/


 We are now at ~60% of the buildings... (stats of yesterday a 20:55)

 Enjoy :)

 regards

 Brice

 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Pierre Parmentier 
 pierrecparment...@gmail.com wrote:

 Could somebody remind me the location of the comparative maps of imported
 vs not imported buildings in Brussels region?

 More precisely: where are the areas not yet imported?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki does not work anymore (missing Recaptcha API key?)

2015-01-07 Per discussione Tom Hughes

On 07/01/15 13:49, Michael Reichert wrote:


OSM wiki only shows an error message when trying to view a page. I
always get

You need to set $wgReCaptchaPrivateKey and $wgReCaptchaPublicKey in
LocalSettings.php to use the reCAPTCHA plugin. You can sign up for a
key here.


The page I get only contains this text, no HTML header. It seems like
the Recaptcha API key is not valid anymore. What about to disable the
plugin and set wiki to read-only (to prevent spam) as a dirty and quick fix?


Alternatively just wait five minutes for me to finish reconfiguring it.

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[OSM-talk] Wiki does not work anymore (missing Recaptcha API key?)

2015-01-07 Per discussione Michael Reichert
Hi,

OSM wiki only shows an error message when trying to view a page. I
always get
 You need to set $wgReCaptchaPrivateKey and $wgReCaptchaPublicKey in
 LocalSettings.php to use the reCAPTCHA plugin. You can sign up for a
 key here.

The page I get only contains this text, no HTML header. It seems like
the Recaptcha API key is not valid anymore. What about to disable the
plugin and set wiki to read-only (to prevent spam) as a dirty and quick fix?

Best regards

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Re: [Talk-cz] Nove preklady Wiki

2015-01-07 Per discussione Dalibor Jelínek
Díky za tip, předěláno.

 

Dalibor

 

From: Michal Pustějovský [mailto:michal.pustejov...@seznam.cz] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:34 PM
To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Nove preklady Wiki

 

Vypadá to pěkně. Dobrá práce. Jen u jednotek u tabulky s nestandardními 
jednotkami máš sloupec  Převod na implicitní jednotku. Vztahy ale převádějí 
na metry, které např. u 'distance' nejsou impl. jednotkou. Navrhuju přejmenovat 
sloupec na Převod na základní jednotku.


Michal

7. ledna 2015 14:18:20 CET, Dalibor Jelínek dali...@dalibor.cz 
mailto:dali...@dalibor.cz  napsal:

Ahoj,

zase jsem chvilku prekladal wiki, tak jestli ma chut si to po mne precist, 
pripadne opravit,

tak budu rad.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:area

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:height

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:width

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:length

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:distance

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Map_Features/Units

 

Zdravi,

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Orne - communes nouvelles

2015-01-07 Per discussione Pieren
2015-01-07 15:33 GMT+01:00 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr:
 Mettre les communes
 associées en niveau 10 est donc complètement stupide.

Ca n'est pas moi qui parle d'utiliser le niveau 10. Il faudrait relire
les anciens messages pour trouver qui est a eu cette idée stupide

 J'insiste il n'y a aucune confusion possible entre arrondissements et
 communes associées, il n'y a aucun conflit à les mêler au même niveau OSM

Ben, si tu les mélanges dans OSM, il y a bien confusion.

 Et s'il fait un tag supplémentaire pour les pointilleux qui voient mal le
 mélange entre arrondissements et communes associées, c'est un tag
 supplémentaire pour la poignée d'arrondissements, et par défaut de ce tag
 considérer le niveau 9 pour toutes les communes associées (il y en a plus de
 700, leur nombre est à nouveau en hausse rapide après des années de relative
 stagnation).

Le niveau 9 pour les arrondissements, c'est assez ancien. On ne peut
pas changer les admin_level comme ça, d'un claquement de doigts. Il y
a probablement des applications, des gens qui utilisent ces données
avec ces tags régulièrement.
La distinction entre arrondissements et communes associées n'est pas
un gadget pour les pointilleux. C'est un minimum de pouvoir extraire
ces deux types de limites administratives par des requêtes simples, de
type overpass-api, sans avoir à filtrer ensuite les résultats en
cherchant des id ou des name particuliers.

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[Talk-ar] Líneas eléctricas de 33000

2015-01-07 Per discussione Nicolás Fernández
Hola, mi primer mensaje en la lista =D

Conocía las líneas de electricidad de 13.2kV, 132kV, 220kV y 500kV, pero
acabo de ver que hay de 33kV al parecer. En esta foto
https://www.google.com.ar/maps/@-38.5584602,-58.7039719,3a,48.9y,307.95h,88.11t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3wNI7qURdjP1qi2iWNiwMA!2e0?hl=es-419
se ve la de 132k, que es la grande que entra desde atrás y la que parece
que es de 33k. En
https://www.google.com.ar/maps/@-38.5594175,-58.7049234,3a,45.5y,177.39h,91.53t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxpwKN3w-Ai3lvwSTIKrfRA!2e0?hl=es-419
se ve una de 13.2k. Si exploran un poco, a una cuadra hay otra que parece
de 33k. Si es así, puedo mapear las líneas similares (que conozca porque
haya pasado, no las que veo en GSV porque no se puede según tengo
entendido, ni siquiera como referencia) como de 33k? Va con minor_line como
las de 13.2k?
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Per discussione Stephan Knauss

Hi,

On 07.01.2015 16:30, Henning Hollburg wrote:

http://stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why-openstreetmap-is-now-navigation-ready-for-people-like-you/

Doesn't this mean that this data has to be published according to the
ODbL? If not, why?


As having all those databases being released might be good for the 
people wanting the data, it brings no benefit to OSM.


The purpose of ODbL is to keep data open. That's great.

My opinion is:
For OSM the thing most contributors favoring a share alike license model 
really want is a a clause which forces data consumers to grant a license 
to OSMF to incorporate modified/exended data back into OSM database.


ODbL does not contain such a merge clause. We could start merging 3rd 
party ODbL into OSM. But then have a hard time to fulfill attribution 
requirements. And an even harder time to get rid of the data in case of 
another license change in the future.


We need all contributors to agree to the contributor terms, granting a 
license to the OSMF to re-distribute the data.


Maybe we can change the license one more time to an OSM-ODbL. Not only 
requiring to release data as ODbL but also granting OSMF the same rights 
as in contributor terms.


Stephan


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Per discussione Paul Norman

On 1/7/2015 7:21 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote:
We could start merging 3rd party ODbL into OSM 
We can do so right now from a legal perspective. In fact, there are 
imports of ODbL data that have taken place.

But then have a hard time to fulfill attribution requirements.

No - we'd attribute the same way we attribute other sources.
And an even harder time to get rid of the data in case of another 
license change in the future.
See 
http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#Can_third-party_ODbL-licenses_data_be_imported.3F. 
It works like any other imported data.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Validatie error railway:historic

2015-01-07 Per discussione Marc Gemis
ok, thanks

m

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wednesday 07 January 2015 20:33:41 Marc Gemis wrote:
  There are more strange things near the place that you linked:
  1) a cyclepath that is named Fietspad Jef Van Linden. I expect that this
 is
  actually a cycleroute with this name. Has to be verified with a survey.

 No, that cycleway actually has that street name. There are street name
 signs
 with it, and it's in the official street name list of Antwerp

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[talk-latam] OSM Metro Extracts

2015-01-07 Per discussione Marco Antonio
Hola,

Me parece por el estado actual en américa latina, la herramienta Weekly
OSM Metro Extracts no es muy usada:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24303764/screenshots/mapzen-extracts.png

Mapzen mejoró esta herramienta y hace tiempo permite añadir vía github pull
request las áreas necesarias de lugares del mundo que se necesite una
extracción en distintos formatos (osm, pbf, geojson, shapefile, etc.).

Utilizando http://www.openstreetmap.org/export se facilita la obtención del
boundary box.

Abrazos,

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Re: [Talk-se] Hemnet har bytt till OSM

2015-01-07 Per discussione Erik Johansson
2014-12-30 12:35 GMT+01:00 Erik Lundin e...@lists.lun.nu:
 Intressant att de har valt att bara ta byggnaderna från OSM och resten från
 Google.

Det är för att de fixar adresser - lat/lon med Google.

Vore trevligt om Hemnet kunde länka till en  med bättre introduktion
till hur man gör hus, iofs är iD lite väl komplicerad bara för att
göra hus...

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Re: [Talk-pe] OSM en Perú

2015-01-07 Per discussione Marco Antonio
2015-01-05 14:39 GMT-04:00 Réjean Roy r...@social-org.com:

 Me llamo Réjean Roy... Soy el especialista Gobierno electrónico en un
 proyecto de la colaboración canadiense en el norte de Perú
 (Progobernabilidad).  Trabajamos con los gobiernos regionales de La
 Libertad, Lambayeque, Piura y Tumbes.

 Me interesaría hablar con una persona capaz de decirme más sobre las
 actividades de OpenStreetMap en Perú.


Casualidad. En Lima este sáb 10 desde las 16h se reúne la comunidad de
forma presencial y vía video-conferencia. Más detalles acá
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ZUsBg46xog


 Eso por dos razones:

 1) Organizamos un evento en Chiclayo alrededor del 9 de febrero.
 Me gustaría que OSM sea un tema expuesto durante este evento.

2) Quiero examinar la posibilidad de apoyar la implementación de un
 proyecto OSM en el norte de Perú.. No sé si algo ha sido hecho, etc.


Genial, siempre es bueno ampliar el conocimiento. Será indicado porque se
podría plantear en la reunión qué se necesita cartografiar y quienes
podrían contribuir.

Abrazos,

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Per discussione Stephan Knauss

Hi Paul,

On 08.01.2015 10:31, Paul Norman wrote:

On 1/7/2015 7:21 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote:

And an even harder time to get rid of the data in case of another
license change in the future.

See
http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#Can_third-party_ODbL-licenses_data_be_imported.3F.
It works like any other imported data.


that's exactly the point. ODbL is not a suitable license for data being 
imported into OSM.


Date being inserted under the contributor terms come with much more 
freedom to be used by OSMF (and the membership deciding about the open 
license used) with respect to the license chosen for distribution.


So what happens is that a user enters data to OSM (with CT agreed), then 
data is distributed as ODbL by OSMF. Then extended by 3rd party.


That extended data i now less free to use from an OSM point of view.

For OSM it would be much more convenient when the license says You are 
allowed to use the OSM data, but when you change it you give OSM the 
right to merge back your changes if they want to.


Probably we should adjust the license one more time before too much 
incompatible data is being imported.


And I'm asking for stricter regulations considering imports. Data not 
compatible with future license changes must not be imported at all. 
Other mappers are building their changes on a weak foundation.


Maybe time to open a new thread as we're moving away from the original 
point of satnav data being released to a generic discussion.


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Re: [Talk-hr] Okupljanje u ZG oko nove godine?

2015-01-07 Per discussione hbogner

Ja sam kasnio pa neznam što je bila tema prije nego sam došao.
Pričali smo o više stvari, o tome kako smo razbacani na sve strane po 
raznim kanalima komunikacija, o novim serverim, o planovima i 
mogućnostima...


Evo onog što sam zapisao kao bitnije stvari:

1. Google Plus community OpenStreetMap Hrvatska je neaktivan, većinu 
poruka je moje i nema smisla dalje to održavati. Plan je staviti 
obavijest da se gasi taj community osim ako ga netko drugi ne planira 
održavati.


2. Facebook stranica OpenStreetMap Hrvatska treba biti samo readonly 
kopija osm-hr.org portala. Namješteno je da se poruke sa portala 
automatski objavljuju i na FB stranici. Plan je maknuti ovlasti pisanja 
i ako netko tamo želi pisati treba pisati na osm-hr.org što kasniej 
automatskik završi na FB.
Zadržali bi FB stranicu zbog većeg kruga ljudi koji dobiju te 
obavijesti, za razliku od FB grupe gdje obavijesti dobiju samo članovi grupe


3. Facebook grupa OpenStreetMap Hrvatska bi služila za komunikaciju sa 
FB korisnicima, zbog velikog broja ljudi koji koriste FB(znam znam, ima 
vas nekih koji ne koristite FB). Zašto FB grupa a ne samo FB stranica? 
FB grupa je namjnjenja komunikaciji među korisnicima, dok je FB stranica 
namjenjena promocijama firmi i slično.


4. OpenStreetMap Forum - users: Croatia forum 
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=51 je isto tako 
neaktivan jer nas jako malo koristi forum, pa pitanja koja ljudi postave 
stoje neodgovorena dugo vremena. Tamo bi stavili obavijest da se forum 
slabo koristi, te uputili korisnike na osm-hr.org gdje je(bit će) ažurna 
lista načina kako najbrže stupiti u kontakt s nama.


5. Twitter account osm-hr nećemo kreirati, baš u cilju 
pojednostavljenja, ali nismo se dotaknuli hashtag-a. Prije su neki od 
nas koristitli #osmhr pa šta kažete na to da kad nešto vezano uz osm-hr 
objavljujemo kao mi, da onda koristimo taj tag?


6. Importi sa github-a?
Kakvo je stanje? Što je sve riješeno? Hoće li se za sve kreirati 
vrtlarska gredica ili kako ćemo?
Ja u međuvremenu komuniciram sa nekim bankama i pitam za nove setove 
podataka. Ako netko želi biti na listi i primati te podatke te pomoći sa 
uploadom na github kad stignu nek mi se javi na mail pa ću ga uključiti 
na listu.


7. osm-hr.org - Matija(mnalis) je izrazio spremnost pomoći sa 
održavanjem portala, što kad zatreba. Svi koji žele pomoći sa pisanjem 
novosti i izradom sadžaja su dobrodošli i javite se. Filip(Fiki) već 
pomaže sa prevođenjem sadržaja.


8. data.osm-hr.org - Matija je izrazio spremnost pomoći oko IRC logera i 
html template za data extrakte.


9. Serveri koje smo dobili od CARNet-a i OpenIT-a, kako ih najbolje 
isoristiti, plan je prebaciti extrakte na Supermicro jer ima veće 
diskove 1.5TB za razliku od Fujitsu koji ima ~200GB a diskovi se brzo 
popunjavaju.


10. Rendering custom karte za hrvatsku?

Ako sam nešto propustio slobodno nadopunite, a ovo napisano komentirajte.

Hrvoje

On 01/07/2015 04:12 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote:

Ah, čini se da neću moći :-/ Javite što ste zaključili!

Janko
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Re: [Talk-it] Proposta riorganizzazione tag name

2015-01-07 Per discussione Carlo Stemberger
Il giorno 31 dicembre 2014 12:04, Federico Cortese cortese...@gmail.com
ha scritto:

 Forse è poco apprezzata perchè l'uso di Wikidata non è ancora
 abbastanza diffuso, ma concordo con te che sia una splendida idea,
 quindi potremmo tranquillamente cominciare ad utilizzarla.
 Per Via Giuseppe Garibaldi avremmo:
 name:etymology:wikidata=Q539


Ottimo, mi piace. Lo ufficializziamo? Qualcuno ha voglia di documentare
l'utilizzo da qualche parte? (tipo sul wiki...)


solo che alla pagina https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q539, vedo solo il
 campo given name ma non il campo surname, probabilmente dovrebbe
 essere aggiunto.


Ho visto che è stato sistemato un paio di giorni fa.

Ciao!

Carlo
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Re: [Talk-us] access road routing

2015-01-07 Per discussione Michael Patrick
 I would tag *access=destination* here, and hope routers don't use that
 route unless the way is within the bounding box (or at least near) to my
 destination.


My apologies for not playing catchup by reading the entire thread.

The context of 'access' seemed to me used only in cases where the end of
the potential route ends at some sort of termination, i.e. 'the last mile'.
Even in the case where there are multiple 'access' lings to a single
termination point, the idea is that even router would not then route
preferentially route through two of these links to find the shortest path.
In cases of transitions between major official routes, infrastructure, or
inter-modal transitions ( road--ferrry, etc.), there seems to be a
plethora of existing tags for entrance and exit ramps, collectors, lane
restrictions, etc. that handle the transitions between high volume routes.

This can probably be better articulated by someone more experienced with
OSM routing.

Michael Patrick
Geospatial Analyst
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] January Meeting

2015-01-07 Per discussione Andy Robinson
Should be there. See you tomorrow

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 06 January 2015 19:08
To: OSM Group WM
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] January Meeting

 

Despite meeting with the Notts/Derby crowd on Sat we're still on for aregualr 
meeting at the Bull Price Street this Thursday

Happy New Year

Brian

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Re: [OSM-talk] MEP - pipelines

2015-01-07 Per discussione Tom Taylor

On 07/01/2015 5:37 AM, althio althio wrote:

Maybe derailling and off-topic but anyway I do agree...
To be discussed on tagging, dev, ...?


While we're at it, it would be nice to have a database that allows going
from the tagged item (e.g., fitness centre) to recommended tag.


The iD editor has a nice internal feature called aliases, so a person
looking to add a restroom will find the toilet preset.


+1
We need something like those aliases, but centralised so all editors have
the same presets, and data consumers don't have to dig around our wiki and
taginfo to find what they need.


+1


Also, if data consumers use this potential online service to dinamically get
the tags they need, their process wouldn't be vulnerable to these kinds of
changes.


+1



I'll start a page today, based only on the Features page I cited in the 
first place. I assume that will be non-controversial. Then we can add to 
it.


Do you think I should subscribe to the tag list and warn them?

Tom Taylor
TomT5454

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Re: [Talk-it] Rotatorie e relazioni route=road

2015-01-07 Per discussione girarsi_liste
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Il 07/01/2015 21:35, Federico Cortese ha scritto:
 Con l'ultima versione di JOSM viene segnalato il warning Role
 member type does not match accepted list of way in template road
 route quando nella relazione è presente una rotatoria; errore che
 prima non veniva considerato dal validatore. Possibile che la
 rotatoria non sia compatibile con lo schema road route? Quindi per
 una strada provinciale con delle rotatorie, queste devono essere
 rimosse dalla relazione?
 
 Ciao Federico
 

Domanda stupida, è già stato controllato il versus della rotatoria?

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[OSM-talk-be] turn:lanes - statistics

2015-01-07 Per discussione Marc Gemis
The Germans still keep track how many turn:lanes have been added since they
started their assignment. See [1]. Belgium is not doing bad at all, 5th
place :-)
I wonder how many mappers are participating here.

regards

m

[1] https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_3PJBM5cOz5VWRQWTlTenZlV1U/view
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[Talk-it] Rotatorie e relazioni route=road

2015-01-07 Per discussione Federico Cortese
Con l'ultima versione di JOSM viene segnalato il warning Role member
type does not match accepted list of way in template road route
quando nella relazione è presente una rotatoria; errore che prima non
veniva considerato dal validatore.
Possibile che la rotatoria non sia compatibile con lo schema road
route? Quindi per una strada provinciale con delle rotatorie, queste
devono essere rimosse dalla relazione?

Ciao
Federico

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[OSM-talk] Hollywood Sign Rerouting

2015-01-07 Per discussione Ethan Nelson
Another bonus to contributing to/using an open project...the data cannot be 
allegedly manipulated by someone or some group.
Next, the residents, bolstered by the imprimatur of LaBonge's office, quietly 
persuaded [...] a producer of navigation equipment whose GPS units are used in 
cars, as well as mapmakers [...] to steer visitors looking for directions to 
the [Hollywood] sign to avoid Beachwood's streets. These changes were enacted 
between 2012 and 2014.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/war-hollywood-sign-pits-wealthy-761385
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Saturation du service umap.openstreetmap.fr

2015-01-07 Per discussione Philippe Verdy
Etant donné que les rassemblements ont lieu dès ce soir; on peut comprendre
qu'immédiatement il y ait de l'affluence.

Et on pourrait suggérer à la presse de mettre en place leur propre serveur
à l'avance pour gérer l'affluence en cas d'actualité.



Au revoir Cabu, tu m'as bien fait marrer. Toi aussi Wilinski, et tous les
autres dont on n'a pas encore tous les noms. Au revoir Ahmed, le policier
VTT assiné aussi ce jour.


Le 7 janvier 2015 16:14, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Quelqu'un a créer un umap avec les rassemblements en soutien à Charlie:

 http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/les-rassemblements-en-soutien-a-charlie-hebdo_25394

 Le lien est affiché sur lemonde.fr et probablement ailleurs ce qui
 semble saturer le serveur osm-fr. Je ne sais pas si les admins peuvent
 faire quelque chose ou s'il faut juste attendre que ça se calme...

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Re: [Talk-it] Nome Strada Consorziale

2015-01-07 Per discussione Andrea Musuruane
2015-01-07 16:27 GMT+01:00 girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com:
 Non sarebbe sufficiente metterlo nel tag ref=Consorziale ecc.?

ref è un identificativo (es: A4), non un nome (es: Autostrada Torino-Milano)

Ciao,

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[Talk-it] Maneggio

2015-01-07 Per discussione demon.box
come si mappa correttamente un maneggio che ovviamente è composto da un'area
complessiva 

leisure=sport_centre + sport=equestrian ?

e poi dalla stalla dei cavalli o scuderia

building=stable(questo l'ho trovato sul wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dstable)

poi c'è l'area vera e propria dove i cavalli fanno movimento, rettangolare o
circolare e sempre recintata

leisure=horse_riding
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dhorse_riding) ?

poi potrebbero esserci anche altri buildings magari ristoro o accoglienza ma
questi non sono un problema.
grazie




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Re: [Talk-dk] Licens igen

2015-01-07 Per discussione Jørgen Elgaard Larsen
Kristian Krægpøth skrev:
 Hvis man/vi/OSM nu beslutter at ville importere data fra GST, bliver 
 man vel også nødt til at overveje konsekvenserne, hvis det viser sig 
 at importen er ulovlig

Efter min mening bør vi ikke importere noget, hvor vi er i tvivl om
lovligheden.

Til gengæld er jeg ikke i tvivl om, at det er lovligt for at importere
data de frie grunddata m.v. fra GST.

Hvis der stadig er udbredt tvivl i blandt os, er det rigtige at bede om
et konkret svar fra GST. Jeg kan godt skrive til dem, hvis der er nogen,
der synes, det er nødvendigt.

I så fald: Hvilke datasæt er vi interesserede i?

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Re: [Talk-it] Nome Strada Consorziale

2015-01-07 Per discussione Massimo Primiceri
il nome ufficiale è Via Prati Comuni (quindi tag NAME). Secondo me va bene
alt_name per Strada consort..ecc. perchè, pur non essendo la
denominazione ufficiale voluta dal comune, sicuramente è il nome generico
così come riconosciuto dalla comunità della zona.

Il giorno 7 gennaio 2015 14:56, demon.box e.rossin...@alice.it ha scritto:

 ho il caso di una strada asfaltata che a livello di stradario e di civico
 delle abitazioni che vi si trovano si chiama:
 Via Prati Comuni
 però all'inizio di questa strada c'è un bel cartello con scritto:
 Strada Consorziale Novalle - Burio - Calone
 la domanda è:

 name=Via Prati Comuni
 alt_name=Strada Consorziale Novalle - Burio - Calone  ??

 inoltre (mai visto prima) all'inizio di questa strada c'è una sbarra che
 però è posta in alto nel senso che è messa per impedire il passaggio di
 mezzi più alti di 3,20m evidentemente eccetto determinate eccezioni che
 dovranno però avere il permesso di alzare questa sbarra particolare... come
 la taggo?




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Re: [Talk-it] Nome Strada Consorziale

2015-01-07 Per discussione Andrea Musuruane
2015-01-07 14:56 GMT+01:00 demon.box e.rossin...@alice.it:
 ho il caso di una strada asfaltata che a livello di stradario e di civico
 delle abitazioni che vi si trovano si chiama:
 Via Prati Comuni
 però all'inizio di questa strada c'è un bel cartello con scritto:
 Strada Consorziale Novalle - Burio - Calone
 la domanda è:

 name=Via Prati Comuni
 alt_name=Strada Consorziale Novalle - Burio - Calone  ??

Non è che Via Prati Comuni è solo un tratto della Strada
Consorziale Novalle - Burio - Calone? In questo caso, per la seconda,
bisognerebbe fare una relazione di tipo route, con route=road.
Probabilmente questo approccio va bene anche se Via Prati Comuni
coincide integralmente con la strada consorziale.

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] Nome Strada Consorziale

2015-01-07 Per discussione Volker Schmidt
barrier=swing_gate
maxheight=3.20

2015-01-07 14:56 GMT+01:00 demon.box e.rossin...@alice.it:

 ho il caso di una strada asfaltata che a livello di stradario e di civico
 delle abitazioni che vi si trovano si chiama:
 Via Prati Comuni
 però all'inizio di questa strada c'è un bel cartello con scritto:
 Strada Consorziale Novalle - Burio - Calone
 la domanda è:

 name=Via Prati Comuni
 alt_name=Strada Consorziale Novalle - Burio - Calone  ??

 inoltre (mai visto prima) all'inizio di questa strada c'è una sbarra che
 però è posta in alto nel senso che è messa per impedire il passaggio di
 mezzi più alti di 3,20m evidentemente eccetto determinate eccezioni che
 dovranno però avere il permesso di alzare questa sbarra particolare... come
 la taggo?




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Re: [Talk-it] Rotatorie e relazioni route=road

2015-01-07 Per discussione Federico Cortese
2015-01-07 21:45 GMT+01:00 girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com:
 Domanda stupida, è già stato controllato il versus della rotatoria?


Se intendi il senso antiorario della rotatoria, quello è stato controllato.
Considera che con l'ultima versione di JOSM (7906) mi è già capitato
diverse volte di riscontrare questo warning, sempre a causa della
presenza di rotatorie all'interno di relazioni route road.

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Re: [Talk-it] Nome Strada Consorziale

2015-01-07 Per discussione yahoo-pier_andreit

On 01/07/2015 07:19 PM, demon.box wrote:

tutta la Via Prati Comuni coincide con la Strada Consorziale... quasi
sicuramente perché pur essendo entro i confini di un dato comune in realtà è
il consorzio degli utilizzatori che se ne fa carico in termini di
manutenzione.

cosi' come curiosita', ma l'aggettivo di consozio non e' consortile??? 
consorziale mi suona male



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Railway data accuracy , age and origin

2015-01-07 Per discussione Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 07 January 2015 18:00:53 Sander Deryckere wrote:
 Most of the railway data comes from survey, aerial images and knowledge (no
 imports, apart from Urbis, Brussels).
 
 The lines are usually mapped to the pair of rails (even showing the
 switches in most cases), and many lines have extra details s.a. gauge,
 voltage or maxspeed. But those are not rendered. Mapnik rendering does
 differ between major lines and service lines.

I'm in the process of reviewing (and for the most part redrawing) the entire 
rail network in Flanders (to begin with, if the aerial imagery of Wallonia is 
good enough, I may extend it a bit that way, I've done all of West-Flanders 
and most of East-Flanders so far. It has slowed a bit since I don't have a lot 
of free time at the moment, but I hope to continue soon. If you come across 
some loose ends, that's where I'm at. Sources are the AGIV imagery, but I have 
a bit more knowledge about it since I'm an actual train driver. I try to work 
as accurate as possible, but it's a huge task (and I still have to do the 
entire port of Antwerp, ugh)... In the process I'm also adding maxspeeds, 
proper line refs and station/yard/junction names and codes, so you get nice 
maps on 
http://www.openrailwaymap.org/?lang=enlat=51.02844005602989lon=3.49365234375zoom=9style=standard

On that aspect, I'm currently tagging everything except the industrial line as 
main line, and never branch line. Infrabel doesn't really make a distinction 
there, and I feel like creating one will just be too subjective. If someone 
has a better idea, let me know.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Validatie error railway:historic

2015-01-07 Per discussione Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 07 January 2015 20:33:41 Marc Gemis wrote:
 There are more strange things near the place that you linked:
 1) a cyclepath that is named Fietspad Jef Van Linden. I expect that this is
 actually a cycleroute with this name. Has to be verified with a survey.

No, that cycleway actually has that street name. There are street name signs 
with it, and it's in the official street name list of Antwerp

Ben


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[OSM-talk-fr] Saturation du service umap.openstreetmap.fr

2015-01-07 Per discussione Pieren
Quelqu'un a créer un umap avec les rassemblements en soutien à Charlie:
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/les-rassemblements-en-soutien-a-charlie-hebdo_25394

Le lien est affiché sur lemonde.fr et probablement ailleurs ce qui
semble saturer le serveur osm-fr. Je ne sais pas si les admins peuvent
faire quelque chose ou s'il faut juste attendre que ça se calme...

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Saturation du service umap.openstreetmap.fr

2015-01-07 Per discussione Philippe Verdy
D'ailleurs le site de Chalie Hebdo a été saturé, et s'est mis en berne avec
une image statique Je suis Charlie et rien d'autre. Evidemment il ne peut
pas travailler pour l'instant et pas gérer l'afflux de visiteurs, merci au
Monde et au reste de la presse de soutenir Charlie, et aux autres
dessinateurs de donner leurs dessins de soutien un peu partout.

Ce serait bien que les différents journaux français se réunissent pour
composer un numéro spécial de Charlie distribué avec leur propre édition et
avec des dessins originaux des différents dessinateurs, sur le ton de
l'humour et la caricature et pas juste celui des larmes. Ils composet
chacun une page, et les pages sont reproduites par tous pour un numéro
spécial d'hommage et de portraits des auteurs morts.


Le 7 janvier 2015 16:24, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :

 Etant donné que les rassemblements ont lieu dès ce soir; on peut
 comprendre qu'immédiatement il y ait de l'affluence.

 Et on pourrait suggérer à la presse de mettre en place leur propre serveur
 à l'avance pour gérer l'affluence en cas d'actualité.

 

 Au revoir Cabu, tu m'as bien fait marrer. Toi aussi Wilinski, et tous les
 autres dont on n'a pas encore tous les noms. Au revoir Ahmed, le policier
 VTT assiné aussi ce jour.


 Le 7 janvier 2015 16:14, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Quelqu'un a créer un umap avec les rassemblements en soutien à Charlie:

 http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/les-rassemblements-en-soutien-a-charlie-hebdo_25394

 Le lien est affiché sur lemonde.fr et probablement ailleurs ce qui
 semble saturer le serveur osm-fr. Je ne sais pas si les admins peuvent
 faire quelque chose ou s'il faut juste attendre que ça se calme...

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Railway data accuracy , age and origin

2015-01-07 Per discussione Sander Deryckere
Most of the railway data comes from survey, aerial images and knowledge (no
imports, apart from Urbis, Brussels).

The lines are usually mapped to the pair of rails (even showing the
switches in most cases), and many lines have extra details s.a. gauge,
voltage or maxspeed. But those are not rendered. Mapnik rendering does
differ between major lines and service lines.

Remeber that an active OSM mapper is actually a train driver:
http://osm.be/nl/content/mapper-van-de-maand-ben-laenen

2015-01-07 17:15 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be:

 Hi,

 Is there anybody out there who knows some background information on
 where the railway data comes from in OSM ?  The origin and accuracy in
 particular?

 More specifically the train railway (not tram).  I'm working on a side
 project to determine how accurate this data is today and how it compairs
 to what the railway services calls their : PTCAR data

 How convincing can I become to stimulate using OSM as a background
 instead of google maps (as it is right now in the variety of mapthings
 they use @ NMBS )

 They overlay a KML of this data on google maps  My usually
 information channel doesn't know the answer on this question.

 Thanks for any background information in advance,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Railway data accuracy , age and origin

2015-01-07 Per discussione Glenn Plas
Thanks,

I actually missed that motm edition.   It is because it's so detailed I
wondered if that was an import job or not.  I wonder how 'open' NMBS
would be if we asked for their digitized data... I'm working all angles
at this moment.

Glenn

On 07-01-15 18:00, Sander Deryckere wrote:
 Most of the railway data comes from survey, aerial images and knowledge
 (no imports, apart from Urbis, Brussels).
 
 The lines are usually mapped to the pair of rails (even showing the
 switches in most cases), and many lines have extra details s.a. gauge,
 voltage or maxspeed. But those are not rendered. Mapnik rendering does
 differ between major lines and service lines.
 
 Remeber that an active OSM mapper is actually a train driver:
 http://osm.be/nl/content/mapper-van-de-maand-ben-laenen

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[OSM-talk-be] Railway data accuracy , age and origin

2015-01-07 Per discussione Glenn Plas
Hi,

Is there anybody out there who knows some background information on
where the railway data comes from in OSM ?  The origin and accuracy in
particular?

More specifically the train railway (not tram).  I'm working on a side
project to determine how accurate this data is today and how it compairs
to what the railway services calls their : PTCAR data

How convincing can I become to stimulate using OSM as a background
instead of google maps (as it is right now in the variety of mapthings
they use @ NMBS )

They overlay a KML of this data on google maps  My usually
information channel doesn't know the answer on this question.

Thanks for any background information in advance,

Glenn

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Orne - communes nouvelles

2015-01-07 Per discussione Vincent de Château-Thierry


 De: Pieren pier...@gmail.com
 
 Le niveau 9 pour les arrondissements, c'est assez ancien. On ne peut
 pas changer les admin_level comme ça, d'un claquement de doigts. Il y
 a probablement des applications, des gens qui utilisent ces données
 avec ces tags régulièrement.

En effet, fin 2010, pendant cette discussion :
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2010-September/026880.html
qui justement a mis le doigt sur une application qui utilisait ce découpage. 
L'idée de compatibilité, de non-régression est bien à prendre en compte quand 
on commence à toucher à des données structurantes, comme typiquement un 
découpage administratif, dont l'usage est multiple.

 La distinction entre arrondissements et communes associées n'est pas
 un gadget pour les pointilleux. C'est un minimum de pouvoir extraire
 ces deux types de limites administratives par des requêtes simples,
 de
 type overpass-api, sans avoir à filtrer ensuite les résultats en
 cherchant des id ou des name particuliers.

Oui, se baser sur des IDs (non stables) ou un nom, côté fiabilité, c'est un peu 
le pire. Ajouter des tags décrivant des catégories d'objets, des typologies, là 
ok. Reste à trouver lesquels, en gardant l'idée qu'une application existante 
devrait, idéalement, ne pas être impactée. Je dis ça comme un principe à 
privilégier, pas comme une obligation.

vincent

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Qualification des divergences OSM = Fantoir

2015-01-07 Per discussione Vincent de Château-Thierry

 De: David Crochet david.croc...@free.fr
 
 Hum, je trouve un défaut au système difficile à rattraper :
 
 D'office, le rapprochement est positionné à OK.
 
 Donc le OK veut dire 2 choses maintenant :
 - Soit cela n'a pas été vérifié et donc on ne sait pas si c'est
 correct
 - Soit cela été vérifié et on sait si c'est correct.
 
 est-il possible de pouvoir faire à un moment ou un autre la
 différence ?

Le statut 'Ok' est exclu des chiffres que je donnais ce matin et donc de la 
carte associée. C'est le statut par défaut, il n'existe pas (= n'est pas 
stocké), pour une rue donnée, tant qu'on n'a pas explicitement changé la valeur 
de liste déroulante, d'abord vers autre chose que 'Ok', puis changé d'avis et 
remis à 'Ok'. Je n'ai pas les chiffres sous les yeux mais ça concerne très peu 
de rues.

On pourrait reformuler 'Ok' en 'Ok - statut par défaut' pour clarifier. Pour ce 
qui est 'Vérifié', de 2 choses l'une :
- soit il est vérifié que les noms des deux sources correspondent, et dans ce 
cas ce sont les routines de rapprochement qui vérifient de fait la 
correspondance,
- soit les 2 noms ne correspondent pas, et ce qu'on a pu vérifier sur le 
terrain, c'est la divergence. Et dans ce cas, il vaut mieux choisir dans la 
liste une des catégories de divergence. À moins de dupliquer toutes les entrées 
liées à des anomalies, pour avoir pour chacune : 'vérifié depuis ma chaise' et 
'vérifié sur le terrain'. Mais faut-il en arriver là ? Vos avis bienvenus.

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[OSM-talk-be] Validatie error railway:historic

2015-01-07 Per discussione Jakka

Hi,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.192296/4.370334

There is a highway that gives validation error.
Was tagged only as railway:historic.
On the sat images there is nothing to see anymore
How can it be tagged? May it be changed?
Something like a boundary administrative that can cross roads.

Historic railway site.
http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=4.40932lat=51.20641zoom=12open_sidebar=map_key

Jakka


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[Talk-GB] Another candidate for a mechanical edit?

2015-01-07 Per discussione Brian Prangle
How many TA Centres and Territorial Army Centres still remain to be tagged
as Army Reserve Centres? Surely this is a no-brainer? I'm not sure when
this change took place but it has to be a couple of years ago.

Regards

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Re: [Talk-it] Nome Strada Consorziale

2015-01-07 Per discussione demon.box
tutta la Via Prati Comuni coincide con la Strada Consorziale... quasi
sicuramente perché pur essendo entro i confini di un dato comune in realtà è
il consorzio degli utilizzatori che se ne fa carico in termini di
manutenzione.




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Validatie error railway:historic

2015-01-07 Per discussione Jo
Seems like something for OpenHistoricMap to me. I always understood we only
mapped stuff for which there still is something physical left.

Jo

2015-01-07 17:31 GMT+01:00 Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com:

 Hi,

 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.192296/4.370334

 There is a highway that gives validation error.
 Was tagged only as railway:historic.
 On the sat images there is nothing to see anymore
 How can it be tagged? May it be changed?
 Something like a boundary administrative that can cross roads.

 Historic railway site.
 http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=4.40932lat=51.20641;
 zoom=12open_sidebar=map_key

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Validatie error railway:historic

2015-01-07 Per discussione Marc Gemis
In order to have that tag I would expect something that is there and have
historic value.
When the rails are still there, but the railway is no longer used, it is
railway=disused.
When the rail are gone, but it can still be recognized, use
railway=abandoned (see [1])

There are more strange things near the place that you linked:
1) a cyclepath that is named Fietspad Jef Van Linden. I expect that this is
actually a cycleroute with this name. Has to be verified with a survey.
2) a cyclepath that got the name of the street next to it. this is
something we normally do not do AFAIK.

regards

m

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dabandoned

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.192296/4.370334

 There is a highway that gives validation error.
 Was tagged only as railway:historic.
 On the sat images there is nothing to see anymore
 How can it be tagged? May it be changed?
 Something like a boundary administrative that can cross roads.

 Historic railway site.
 http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=4.40932lat=51.20641;
 zoom=12open_sidebar=map_key

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] samenvoegen van stukken weg

2015-01-07 Per discussione Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 5:12 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com
wrote:

 And I made 5 happy ones, in order: the dog (unimaginable), my neighbour,
 myself, the doctor ... and you.


:-) :-) :-)
 me happy !

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Validatie error railway:historic

2015-01-07 Per discussione Glenn Plas
Not if it has significant meaning enough  which is kind of misty as
a description.

There have been some discussions about this on the general mailing list
a while back.

afaik, you can keep it in there as long as it define(d|s) the landscape
but received a different purpose..  like a cycleway that follows the
bedding of the old railway.  e.g. the cut is still there, the rail is
gone but the silhouette can still be distinguished.

But the moment that historic railway starts crossing through current
buildings it shoots past the purpose and indeed as Jo suggests is
perfect for openhistoricalmap.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map


Glenn

Some links on the subject:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Demolished_Railway

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Railways#Abandoned_railways_where_all_evidence_has_been_removed


On 07-01-15 20:26, Jo wrote:
 Seems like something for OpenHistoricMap to me. I always understood we
 only mapped stuff for which there still is something physical left.
 
 Jo
 
 2015-01-07 17:31 GMT+01:00 Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com
 mailto:vdmfrank...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi,
 
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/__#map=18/51.192296/4.370334
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.192296/4.370334
 
 There is a highway that gives validation error.
 Was tagged only as railway:historic.
 On the sat images there is nothing to see anymore
 How can it be tagged? May it be changed?
 Something like a boundary administrative that can cross roads.
 
 Historic railway site.
 
 http://www.itoworld.com/map/__26?lon=4.40932lat=51.20641__zoom=12open_sidebar=map_key
 
 http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=4.40932lat=51.20641zoom=12open_sidebar=map_key
 
 Jakka
 
 
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Re: [Talk-it] Aggiornamenti mapnik lenti

2015-01-07 Per discussione Giuliano
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  2015-01-07 12:04 GMT+01:00 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it:

  
E' solo una mia impressione o ultimamente i tiles di mapnik vengono
aggiornati molto piu' lentamente rispetto a qualche tempo fa?

  
  
L'ho notato anch'io. Sarà forse a causa dei recenti aggiornamenti di
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Tra l'altro ho notato che col nuovo stile non viene più renderizzato
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[Talk-it] Nome Strada Consorziale

2015-01-07 Per discussione demon.box
ho il caso di una strada asfaltata che a livello di stradario e di civico
delle abitazioni che vi si trovano si chiama:
Via Prati Comuni
però all'inizio di questa strada c'è un bel cartello con scritto:
Strada Consorziale Novalle - Burio - Calone
la domanda è:

name=Via Prati Comuni
alt_name=Strada Consorziale Novalle - Burio - Calone  ??

inoltre (mai visto prima) all'inizio di questa strada c'è una sbarra che
però è posta in alto nel senso che è messa per impedire il passaggio di
mezzi più alti di 3,20m evidentemente eccetto determinate eccezioni che
dovranno però avere il permesso di alzare questa sbarra particolare... come
la taggo?




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Re: [Talk-it] Aggiornamenti mapnik lenti

2015-01-07 Per discussione emmexx

Il 01/07/2015 12:04 PM, emmexx scrisse:

E' solo una mia impressione o ultimamente i tiles di mapnik vengono
aggiornati molto piu' lentamente rispetto a qualche tempo fa?


Adesso sembra aggiornare.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki does not work anymore (missing Recaptcha API key?)

2015-01-07 Per discussione Nicolás Alvarez
2015-01-07 10:49 GMT-03:00 Michael Reichert naka...@gmx.net:
 OSM wiki only shows an error message when trying to view a page. I
 always get
 You need to set $wgReCaptchaPrivateKey and $wgReCaptchaPublicKey in
 LocalSettings.php to use the reCAPTCHA plugin. You can sign up for a
 key here.

 The page I get only contains this text, no HTML header. It seems like
 the Recaptcha API key is not valid anymore. What about to disable the
 plugin and set wiki to read-only (to prevent spam) as a dirty and quick fix?

The wiki works for me, and I can even edit...

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Guidage OsmAnd

2015-01-07 Per discussione David Crochet

Bonjour

Le 07/01/2015 00:09, Philippe Verdy a écrit :

cela mériterait une analyse Osmose des carrefours ayant des angles à
plus de 150 degrés non signalés comme interdits et qui ne sont pas non
plus entre deux voies à sens unique connectées à moins de 50 mètres à un
même giratoire: le tracé est très probablement trop approximatif et à
corriger.


c'est déjà de façon générale une analyse de KeepRight.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Qualification des divergences OSM = Fantoir

2015-01-07 Per discussione David Crochet

Bonjour

Le 07/01/2015 11:56, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit :

Mis en carte, ça donne ceci (données de ce matin):


Hum, je trouve un défaut au système difficile à rattraper :

D'office, le rapprochement est positionné à OK.

Donc le OK veut dire 2 choses maintenant :
- Soit cela n'a pas été vérifié et donc on ne sait pas si c'est correct
- Soit cela été vérifié et on sait si c'est correct.

est-il possible de pouvoir faire à un moment ou un autre la différence ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Orne - communes nouvelles

2015-01-07 Per discussione Philippe Verdy
Le 7 janvier 2015 15:51, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Le niveau 9 pour les arrondissements, c'est assez ancien. On ne peut
 pas changer les admin_level comme ça, d'un claquement de doigts. Il y
 a probablement des applications, des gens qui utilisent ces données
 avec ces tags régulièrement.
 La distinction entre arrondissements et communes associées n'est pas
 un gadget pour les pointilleux. C'est un minimum de pouvoir extraire
 ces deux types de limites administratives par des requêtes simples, de
 type overpass-api, sans avoir à filtrer ensuite les résultats en
 cherchant des id ou des name particuliers.


Je eux bien qu'ils existent mais personne n'a été gêné au point de le
signaler ici depuis près de 2 ans que le niveau 9 a été réutilsé pour les
pôles de proximité nantais.

Mais étant donné le nombre important de communes associées à cartographier
correctement et distinguer de leurs propres quartiers (et le fait qu'elles
soient très dispersées sur le territoire) c'est pour ça que je suggère
juste d'ajouter un tag aux arrondissements actuels; ce sera très vite fait,
on les connait et ils sont tous cartographiés déjà. L'absence de ce tag ou
(une valeur différente de celle par défaut pour les communes associées)
suffira. Cette modif est très mineure; en 2 minutes c'est fait.
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Re: [Talk-it] Nome Strada Consorziale

2015-01-07 Per discussione girarsi_liste
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Il 07/01/2015 16:07, Andrea Musuruane ha scritto:
 Non è che Via Prati Comuni è solo un tratto della Strada 
 Consorziale Novalle - Burio - Calone? In questo caso, per la
 seconda, bisognerebbe fare una relazione di tipo route, con
 route=road. Probabilmente questo approccio va bene anche se Via
 Prati Comuni coincide integralmente con la strada consorziale.
 
 Ciao,
 
 Andrea

Non sarebbe sufficiente metterlo nel tag ref=Consorziale ecc.?



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Re: [Talk-it] Nome Strada Consorziale

2015-01-07 Per discussione girarsi_liste
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Il 07/01/2015 16:32, Andrea Musuruane ha scritto:
 2015-01-07 16:27 GMT+01:00 girarsi_liste
 liste.gira...@gmail.com:
 Non sarebbe sufficiente metterlo nel tag ref=Consorziale ecc.?
 
 ref è un identificativo (es: A4), non un nome (es: Autostrada
 Torino-Milano)
 
 Ciao,
 
 Andrea
 


Allora ci vuole la relazione sì.


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Re: [Talk-it] Aggiornamenti mapnik lenti

2015-01-07 Per discussione Alessandro Rubini
   http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.19486/9.15331

 non solo c'e` il vecchio stile, ma mancano anche dei dettagli

Non e` vero, federico cortese mi ha fatto notare che non ho pulito la
cache del mio browser.  Potete ridere tutti di me, che sono ignorante
come una capra.

/alessandro

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Re: [Talk-br] Feiras de Orgânicos

2015-01-07 Per discussione wille
A tag marketplace é mais adequada para esse tipo de lugar: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmarketplace


Ela pode ser complementada com a tag organic 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:organic


Um dos princípios do OSM é não mapeie para o renderizador. Se não 
existe um prédio,a tag building não deve ser usada.


abraços,
wille

Em 2015-01-06 22:22, Marcelo Pereira escreveu:

Srs,

Vi que no site do Idec existe um mapa identificando as feiras de
orgânicos no Brasil.

Até entrei em contato perguntando se eles poderiam disponibilizar a
informação de forma livre e aberta.

Daí, como teste, incluí no mapa, a feira perto de casa (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/320755910 [1] ) com o tageamento que
achei mais adequado.

A questão é, de novo, a renderização, ela só apareceu qdo eu
acrescentei building=yes, lembrando que é uma feira semanal, e
portanto essa tag está errada,

Mas o que fazer para ela aparecer ?

Uso um node ao invés dessa área ? Qual ? Pensei em shop=supermarket.

No aguardo de ideias,

Att,

Marcelo Pereira

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Railway data accuracy , age and origin

2015-01-07 Per discussione Maarten Deen

On 2015-01-07 18:08, Glenn Plas wrote:


I actually missed that motm edition.   It is because it's so detailed I
wondered if that was an import job or not.  I wonder how 'open' NMBS
would be if we asked for their digitized data... I'm working all angles
at this moment.


The wiki [1] mentions a GPS file and in the past there was some 
discussion about that, but I think the majority is mapped from BING 
imagery. I know I have done a lot of that.

And it will probably not be NMBS you want to talk to but Infrabel.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Railways

Regards,
Maarten


On 07-01-15 18:00, Sander Deryckere wrote:
Most of the railway data comes from survey, aerial images and 
knowledge

(no imports, apart from Urbis, Brussels).

The lines are usually mapped to the pair of rails (even showing the
switches in most cases), and many lines have extra details s.a. gauge,
voltage or maxspeed. But those are not rendered. Mapnik rendering does
differ between major lines and service lines.

Remeber that an active OSM mapper is actually a train driver:
http://osm.be/nl/content/mapper-van-de-maand-ben-laenen


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Re: [Talk-it] Maneggio

2015-01-07 Per discussione scratera
...io metterei  leisure=horse_riding 
...prendi spunto da qua per il resto
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dstable
demon.box wrote
 come si mappa correttamente un maneggio che ovviamente è composto da
 un'area complessiva 
 
 leisure=sport_centre + sport=equestrian ?
 
 e poi dalla stalla dei cavalli o scuderia
 
 building=stable(questo l'ho trovato sul wiki
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dstable)
 
 poi c'è l'area vera e propria dove i cavalli fanno movimento, rettangolare
 o circolare e sempre recintata
 
 leisure=horse_riding
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dhorse_riding) ?
 
 poi potrebbero esserci anche altri buildings magari ristoro o accoglienza
 ma questi non sono un problema.
 grazie





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[OSRM-talk] combine metroextracts

2015-01-07 Per discussione Alex Farioletti
Is there a way to combine several metro extracts to reduce the ram
requirements to run OSRM?

my use case is to route within several cities in north america (SF,
Toronto, Chicago, Minneapolis) but not really needing anything out side of
those areas. I have built an osrm-backend that does north america but I'm
needing like 14gb of ram to run it, and that's expensive.

Can i do this through OSMOSIS? I was looking at it but it seems to only
take a single polygon (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmosis#Extracting_bounding_boxes).

I just want to make sure this is even possible before I go down the rabbit
hole.

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