Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[European Water Project]

I have made a short video demonstrating how the app works for adding photos
of fountains

https://drive.google.com/open?id=148VdJLUROLsFAQlZ4mgxHFVmnjrMxpiM

Maybe we can get a photo of a Milanese Vedovelle  as part of the test ..

Have a nice weekend,

Stuart

https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 15:40, European Water Project <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Martin,
>
> Most of our uses don't know heads or tails about wikimedia commons and
> don't have a wiki commons account, so I think it is preferable not to
> introduce a wikimedia commons login interface. The user barrrier is in
> addition to the technical difficulties of implementation and maintenance. .
>
> Ulrich Lantermann from Wikimedia is looking into whether or not European
> Water Project can load images via an API with multiple author
> attributions.
>
> All the image uploads should be uploaded CC0 under the name of the
> project, so the name attribution may not be such a big deal.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 14:11, Martin Koppenhoefer 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> > On 14. May 2020, at 13:09, European Water Project <
>> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Wikimedia Switzerland has asked us if we would consider storing the
>> images on Commons which of course we would be happy to do if we can find a
>> solution for bulk uploading the images via an API
>>
>>
>> maybe it could be a link to commons upload with some values
>> preconfigured, so that the user would be the photo uploader to commons but
>> you would get the link to it (and the  association with a fountain in
>> OpenStreetMap)?
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[European Water Project]

Hi Martin,

Most of our uses don't know heads or tails about wikimedia commons and
don't have a wiki commons account, so I think it is preferable not to
introduce a wikimedia commons login interface. The user barrrier is in
addition to the technical difficulties of implementation and maintenance. .

Ulrich Lantermann from Wikimedia is looking into whether or not European
Water Project can load images via an API with multiple author
attributions.

All the image uploads should be uploaded CC0 under the name of the project,
so the name attribution may not be such a big deal.

Best regards,

Stuart



On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 14:11, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 14. May 2020, at 13:09, European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wikimedia Switzerland has asked us if we would consider storing the
> images on Commons which of course we would be happy to do if we can find a
> solution for bulk uploading the images via an API
>
>
> maybe it could be a link to commons upload with some values preconfigured,
> so that the user would be the photo uploader to commons but you would get
> the link to it (and the  association with a fountain in OpenStreetMap)?
>
> Cheers Martin
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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[European Water Project]

Hi Martin,

Thank you for the feedback.

The popup and the popup images are  currently dimensioned in pixels. I will
adjust them to be responsive and a percentage of the viewport width and the
viewport height.

Let me consider how to add a photo upload option ? You are the third person
who has suggested that.

Best regards,

Stuart

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 14:07, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 14. May 2020, at 13:09, European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would appreciate if you and others can take a couple of pictures of
> fountains in Italy for us with the app ! and help test this new feature
> (which seems to work so far on most modern smart phones).
>
>
>
> the css can result in unfortunate layout on a small screen (667x1200)
> because the link on the popup ended offscreen in my case, maybe the
> fountain symbol is the issue because it was huge. Try putting the link
> before the icon and make the icon smaller.
>
> It could maybe also be useful to allow upload of photos?
>
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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 14. May 2020, at 13:09, European Water Project 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wikimedia Switzerland has asked us if we would consider storing the images on 
> Commons which of course we would be happy to do if we can find a solution for 
> bulk uploading the images via an API


maybe it could be a link to commons upload with some values preconfigured, so 
that the user would be the photo uploader to commons but you would get the link 
to it (and the  association with a fountain in OpenStreetMap)?

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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 14. May 2020, at 13:09, European Water Project 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would appreciate if you and others can take a couple of pictures of 
> fountains in Italy for us with the app ! and help test this new feature 
> (which seems to work so far on most modern smart phones). 



the css can result in unfortunate layout on a small screen (667x1200) because 
the link on the popup ended offscreen in my case, maybe the fountain symbol is 
the issue because it was huge. Try putting the link before the icon and make 
the icon smaller.

It could maybe also be useful to allow upload of photos?

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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[European Water Project]

Dear Andrea and Francesco,

I have taken on board your suggestions to streamline the photo image
capture process and to consider Mapillary as an alternative to Wikimedia
Commons.

We have added the ability to capture images directly within the European
Water Project Web App by clicking on "Aggiungi/aggiorna questa immagine
"
link in the popup for a fountain.

The photo initially gets stored on our server and shows up immediately in
the application. https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT

After manual curation, we load the images to Mapillary and link them to
OpenStreetMap objects. Wikimedia Switzerland has asked us if we would
consider storing the images on Commons which of course we would be happy to
do if we can find a solution for bulk uploading the images via an API.

I would appreciate if you and others can take a couple of pictures of
fountains in Italy for us with the app ! and help test this new feature
(which seems to work so far on most modern smart phones).

We had to postpone our Rome and Milan fountain hunts due to Covid, but I
hope they can be rescheduled soon.

best regards,

Stuart

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 11:40, Andrea Musuruane  wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
>  I think that the proposed workflow to add drinking water POIs is not
> easy for the casual user who is not already an OpenStreetMap contributor
> (and OSM contributors already add these POIs :-)). You require a casual
> user to register on both OSM and Wikimedia Commons. You require to upload a
> photo of the POI which gives very little added value per se.
>
> A simplified workflow with a specialized focus on drinking water POIs
> would be better. For example, let the user take a photo using the smart
> phone. The photo will already have EXIF data. Among the EXIF data there are
> the coordinates where the photo has been taken (latitude/longitude). Check
> if a POI is already present nearby. If not, position a marker on these
> coordinate with a satellite map as background. Let the user move it to
> better place the POI. When the user is happy, he can submit the info and
> automatically the POI should be imported in OSM and the photo in Wikimedia
> Commons.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 8:13 AM European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Giovanni,
>>
>> A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this
>> email rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is
>> for OSM.
>>
>> In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan
>> had a project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million
>> bottles of water in PET for export to Asia.  About 1-year ago, I got very
>> involved and with a couple of others we created a non-profit association
>> called StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and
>> everyone from the municipal council supported the project.
>>
>> After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than
>> 7000 flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just
>> across the border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we
>> were successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no
>> choice but to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and
>> council members.
>>
>> Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I
>> learned how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't
>> go on too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents
>> of plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in
>> the Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to
>> recent studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of
>> plastic per week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try
>> to help make a difference with this project  ... even in a small symbolic
>> way.
>>
>> In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of
>> Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill
>> label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided
>> not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data
>> proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an
>> open data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and
>> maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations.
>>
>> On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project
>> and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32
>> countries in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant
>> Secretary-General of the United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen
>> Bogdan-Martin, Director of the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the
>> ITU.
>>
>> Now, to answer your question 

Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[Alessandro Oggioni]

Hi Stuart,
my old grandfather has always told me both stories but I like to told the 
second :-).

Please let me know the contact with this association.
Thanks a lot

Ale

> On 22 Jan 2020, at 07:32, European Water Project 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ale,
> 
> I have been thinking a lot about Milanese fountains  Vedovelle apparently 
> means widows because the fountains are crying continuously.   But I like your 
> explanation more !
> 
> I found what seems to be an amazing Milanese association called 
> fontallelle.org  which has been working for years on 
> a fountain mapping project in Milan and other cities.  
> 
> I am going to contact them to see if they are willing to collaborate with OSM 
> and contribute their work to the open data space and benefit from shared 
> resources.  
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Stuart 
> 
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 11:10, Alessandro Oggioni  > wrote:
> Dear Stuart,
> this is a very exiting and amazing initiative.
> Do you have intention to organise the same event in Rome in other Italian 
> cities? Could be possible to open a call in the project in other to create 
> similar initiative, like drinking fountain hut, in other cities?
> I’m living in Milan and the drinking fountain is an institution in my city 
> (usually named vedovelle, mean little widows because they are alone and 
> abandoned in the city).
> 
> Regards
> 
> Ale
>  
> 
>> On 20 Jan 2020, at 08:11, European Water Project 
>> mailto:europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Giovanni,
>> 
>> A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this email 
>> rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is for OSM. 
>> 
>> In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan had a 
>> project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million bottles of 
>> water in PET for export to Asia.  About 1-year ago, I got very involved and 
>> with a couple of others we created a non-profit association called 
>> StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and everyone 
>> from the municipal council supported the project. 
>> 
>> After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than 7000 
>> flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just across the 
>> border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we were 
>> successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no choice but 
>> to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and council 
>> members.
>> 
>> Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I learned 
>> how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't go on 
>> too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents of 
>> plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in the 
>> Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to recent 
>> studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of plastic per 
>> week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try to help make 
>> a difference with this project  ... even in a small symbolic way. 
>> 
>> In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of 
>> Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill 
>> label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided 
>> not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data 
>> proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an open 
>> data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and 
>> maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations. 
>> 
>> On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project 
>> and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32 
>> countries in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant Secretary-General 
>> of the United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen Bogdan-Martin, 
>> Director of the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the ITU. 
>> 
>> Now, to answer your question - which is a very good one. 
>> 
>> The photo approach has been chosen in large part to build user engagement 
>> and make the application more interactive. Adding hundred's of photos of 
>> standard fountains is not the goal... But here in France and across the 
>> border in Switzerland we have quite a few beautiful stone ones with enormous 
>> character. I have heard wonders about the fountains in Italy and I am 
>> looking forward to discovering for myself. We plan to visit Zaragoza, Spain 
>> later this year.  Zurich, Lucerne and Bern, Switzerland are very active as 
>> well. 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Stuart 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 23:11, Cascafico Giovanni > > wrote:
>> The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for refill 
>> as a cyclist 

Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[European Water Project]

Hi Ale,

I have been thinking a lot about Milanese fountains  Vedovelle
apparently means widows because the fountains are crying continuously.
 But I like your explanation more !

I found what seems to be an amazing Milanese association called
fontallelle.org which has been working for years on a fountain mapping
project in Milan and other cities.

I am going to contact them to see if they are willing to collaborate with
OSM and contribute their work to the open data space and benefit from
shared resources.

Warm regards,

Stuart

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 11:10, Alessandro Oggioni 
wrote:

> Dear Stuart,
> this is a very exiting and amazing initiative.
> Do you have intention to organise the same event in Rome in other Italian
> cities? Could be possible to open a call in the project in other to create
> similar initiative, like drinking fountain hut, in other cities?
> I’m living in Milan and the drinking fountain is an institution in my city
> (usually named vedovelle, mean little widows because they are alone and
> abandoned in the city).
>
> Regards
>
> Ale
>
>
> On 20 Jan 2020, at 08:11, European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Giovanni,
>
> A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this email
> rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is for OSM.
>
> In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan had
> a project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million bottles
> of water in PET for export to Asia.  About 1-year ago, I got very involved
> and with a couple of others we created a non-profit association called
> StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and everyone
> from the municipal council supported the project.
>
> After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than
> 7000 flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just
> across the border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we
> were successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no
> choice but to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and
> council members.
>
> Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I learned
> how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't go on
> too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents of
> plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in
> the Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to
> recent studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of
> plastic per week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try
> to help make a difference with this project  ... even in a small symbolic
> way.
>
> In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of
> Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill
> label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided
> not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data
> proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an
> open data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and
> maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations.
>
> On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project
> and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32
> countries in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant
> Secretary-General of the United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen
> Bogdan-Martin, Director of the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the
> ITU.
>
> Now, to answer your question - which is a very good one.
>
> The photo approach has been chosen in large part to build user engagement
> and make the application more interactive. Adding hundred's of photos of
> standard fountains is not the goal... But here in France and across the
> border in Switzerland we have quite a few beautiful stone ones with
> enormous character. I have heard wonders about the fountains in Italy and I
> am looking forward to discovering for myself. We plan to visit Zaragoza,
> Spain later this year.  Zurich, Lucerne and Bern, Switzerland are very
> active as well.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 23:11, Cascafico Giovanni 
> wrote:
>
>> The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for
>> refill as a cyclist and RV user. But still,  since project aims to have a
>> comprehensive map of drinking/refilling places, I wonder why a photo
>> approach has been chosen.
>> Maybe a point-click-upload is more sexy than a boring survey app? Or
>> prospect to see your image online can trigger a sort of gamification? Or
>> both?
>>
>> Of course photos (mapillary, openstreetcam, commons or whatever) are not
>> an issue, but I don't think they will add more value to simple OSM nodes
>> with approprieate tags (BTW bottle=yes|no is 

Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[European Water Project]

Hi Frederico,

Thank you for your email and your suggestion.

Yes, I think at a later stage our project should display a map layer for
vending machines offering refill capacity for reusable water bottles in an
eco-conscious manner (ie no single-waste).

Irrespective of the magnitude of the fee  charged...

Best regards,

Stuart

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 12:18 Federico Cortese  wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
> congratulations for the interesting project.
> Do you think "water houses" could also be inserted? They are
> distributors where with a very low price (like 5 cents per liter) you
> can supply smooth or carbonated water. Even if they are not visible on
> the main render, these are some examples of mapping on OSM:
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/PXg.
> I have just uploaded some sequences on Mapillary which I will link to
> you as soon as they are visible, meanwhile this is a photo to better
> explain what I mean:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16eCOsPG7nurYfnwuJHG4bEEf4gD01uLs/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16__Rgrl_2Jt3Ki7Uzx4GXziY6MwRgorU/view?usp=sharing
>
> Bye
> Federico
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[Federico Cortese]

Hi Stuart,
congratulations for the interesting project.
Do you think "water houses" could also be inserted? They are
distributors where with a very low price (like 5 cents per liter) you
can supply smooth or carbonated water. Even if they are not visible on
the main render, these are some examples of mapping on OSM:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/PXg.
I have just uploaded some sequences on Mapillary which I will link to
you as soon as they are visible, meanwhile this is a photo to better
explain what I mean:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16eCOsPG7nurYfnwuJHG4bEEf4gD01uLs/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16__Rgrl_2Jt3Ki7Uzx4GXziY6MwRgorU/view?usp=sharing

Bye
Federico

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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[European Water Project]

Hi Fra,

The Progressive Web App at https://europeanwaterproject.org is
purposely written outside of the Apple & Google App stores.

The installation is not so obvious for some - especially on IOS which only
works with safari. This is intentionally done by Apple. H

Here are the installation  instructions  :
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fsorZbiT9eHB8o-kKqaJ93F1WRdy9Kkl

The app cache is managed by the manifest.json and as it is 100% web based,
the app updates are done automatically based on the http cache rules.

Best regards,

Stuart

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 17:43, Fra Mauro  wrote:

> Maybe you could distribute your app also via F-Droid (
> https://f-droid.org/).
>
> The app has to be open source and respect some conditions. Yet being there
> would increase the visibility and make easier for the users to install /
> update.
>
> Best
>
> Il 19 Gennaio 2020 18:54:39 CET, European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>> To whom it may concern,
>>
>> Sorry I can't write in Italian.
>>
>> We recently created a small Geneva based NGO called European Water
>> Project which has a mission to contribute to reducing single use
>> plastic-waste at a global level.
>>
>> Our project is 100% open data, collaborative and a bit experimental.  We
>> have developed a map based Progressive Web Application available in 8
>> languages (including Italian) which allows one to locate the nearest water
>> points. You will be able to fill your water bottle and drink for free,
>> without generating disposable plastic waste.  We are starting with drinking
>> fountains, but will branch out to cafés, bars and restaurants willing to
>> refill reusable water bottles for free.
>>
>> At European Water Project, we believe that everyone should have the
>> ability to drink water wherever they are without creating single use waste
>> plastic.
>>
>> This Progressive Web App, available in 8 languages, was purposefully
>> developed outside the Google / Apple store. You can download it here, if of
>> interest,  https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT on your desktop or
>> telephone’s browser (Safari for IOS).
>>
>> With the help of Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap Spain, France and
>> Switzerland and a bunch of friends we have developed instructions for
>> adding photos into Wikimedia Commons and new fountains into OpenStreetMap
>> in 8 languages
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Project/European_Water_Project/it
>>
>>
>> The reason I am writing you is that with the foundation My-D.org, we are
>> organizing a drinking fountain hunt in late April in Rome and wanted to
>> know if anyone on the ground might want to participate - and help out. The
>> idea is to add photos of drinking fountains to Wikimedia Commons and link
>> them to either existing fountains already present in OpenStreetMap and add
>> with their photos any missing modern fountains ("amenity=drinking_water")
>> or older fountains ("amenity=fountain && drinking_water=yes") to
>> OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> Best regards,¨
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[Fra Mauro]

Maybe you could distribute your app also via F-Droid (https://f-droid.org/).

The app has to be open source and respect some conditions. Yet being there 
would increase the visibility and make easier for the users to install / update.

Best

Il 19 Gennaio 2020 18:54:39 CET, European Water Project 
 ha scritto:
>To whom it may concern,
>
>Sorry I can't write in Italian.
>
>We recently created a small Geneva based NGO called European Water
>Project
>which has a mission to contribute to reducing single use plastic-waste
>at a
>global level.
>
>Our project is 100% open data, collaborative and a bit experimental. 
>We
>have developed a map based Progressive Web Application available in 8
>languages (including Italian) which allows one to locate the nearest
>water
>points. You will be able to fill your water bottle and drink for free,
>without generating disposable plastic waste.  We are starting with
>drinking
>fountains, but will branch out to cafés, bars and restaurants willing
>to
>refill reusable water bottles for free.
>
>At European Water Project, we believe that everyone should have the
>ability
>to drink water wherever they are without creating single use waste
>plastic.
>
>This Progressive Web App, available in 8 languages, was purposefully
>developed outside the Google / Apple store. You can download it here,
>if of
>interest,  https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT on your desktop or
>telephone’s browser (Safari for IOS).
>
>With the help of Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap Spain, France and
>Switzerland
>and a bunch of friends we have developed instructions for adding photos
>into Wikimedia Commons and new fountains into OpenStreetMap in 8
>languages
>https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Project/European_Water_Project/it
>
>
>The reason I am writing you is that with the foundation My-D.org, we
>are
>organizing a drinking fountain hunt in late April in Rome and wanted to
>know if anyone on the ground might want to participate - and help out.
>The
>idea is to add photos of drinking fountains to Wikimedia Commons and
>link
>them to either existing fountains already present in OpenStreetMap and
>add
>with their photos any missing modern fountains
>("amenity=drinking_water")
>or older fountains ("amenity=fountain && drinking_water=yes") to
>OpenStreetMap.
>
>Best regards,¨
>
>Stuart

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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Il lun 20 gen 2020, 13:11 European Water Project <

>
> Yes, a one-click interface would be amazing if it were developed and we
> would happily change our workflow to integrate this module. We might even
> try to do this ourselves one day.
>

There are already several survey apps out there, ready to go on field. IMHO
geopaparazzi could easily be fitted in such a project. I wrote some notes
[1] about its customization.



  I would be concerned about data integrity with an automated and anonymous
> process for OSM data imports and maybe we could create an intermediate
> database with a validation method before OSM import ?
>

Such a database can be a OSM file and its validation/conflation can be
accomplished via JOSM, a comprehensive editor for openstreetmap xml files.




[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Cascafico/diary/391537

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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[European Water Project]

Dear Andrea,

Thank you for your constructive email.

I agree with you  about the difficulty  ...  But in spite of this enormous
barrier with the workflow, we have had quite good feedback from newbies. In
fact, a university teacher from Rouen, France just wrote us and told us
that she is going to get her students studying Environmental Science
involved in our project.  About 10 newbies have written us so far,
including some bikers in the UK and have told us that they are going to
start putting in new fountains not locally present in their area into OSM.

Including fountains from wikidata after removing duplicates we count
approximately 225,000 drinking fountains globally which is a small subset
of the total number of fountains which exist in the world.  I hope we can
bring more OSM contributors to the expansion and maintenance of the
database of potable water fountains.

Yes, a one-click interface would be amazing if it were developed and we
would happily change our workflow to integrate this module. We might even
try to do this ourselves one day.  I would be concerned about data
integrity with an automated and anonymous process for OSM data imports and
maybe we could create an intermediate database with a validation method
before OSM import ? What do you think?

Best regards,

Stuart

PS:  In parallel we hope to start adding an appropriate tag for cafés,
bars, and night-clubs which join the refill revolution !   Any help on the
interface is very welcome







On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 11:40, Andrea Musuruane  wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
>  I think that the proposed workflow to add drinking water POIs is not
> easy for the casual user who is not already an OpenStreetMap contributor
> (and OSM contributors already add these POIs :-)). You require a casual
> user to register on both OSM and Wikimedia Commons. You require to upload a
> photo of the POI which gives very little added value per se.
>
> A simplified workflow with a specialized focus on drinking water POIs
> would be better. For example, let the user take a photo using the smart
> phone. The photo will already have EXIF data. Among the EXIF data there are
> the coordinates where the photo has been taken (latitude/longitude). Check
> if a POI is already present nearby. If not, position a marker on these
> coordinate with a satellite map as background. Let the user move it to
> better place the POI. When the user is happy, he can submit the info and
> automatically the POI should be imported in OSM and the photo in Wikimedia
> Commons.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 8:13 AM European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Giovanni,
>>
>> A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this
>> email rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is
>> for OSM.
>>
>> In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan
>> had a project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million
>> bottles of water in PET for export to Asia.  About 1-year ago, I got very
>> involved and with a couple of others we created a non-profit association
>> called StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and
>> everyone from the municipal council supported the project.
>>
>> After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than
>> 7000 flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just
>> across the border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we
>> were successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no
>> choice but to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and
>> council members.
>>
>> Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I
>> learned how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't
>> go on too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents
>> of plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in
>> the Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to
>> recent studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of
>> plastic per week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try
>> to help make a difference with this project  ... even in a small symbolic
>> way.
>>
>> In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of
>> Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill
>> label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided
>> not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data
>> proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an
>> open data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and
>> maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations.
>>
>> On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project
>> and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32
>> 

Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[European Water Project]

Dear Ale,

Thank you so much for the positive feedback.  This project is important to
me. I have quit my full-time job to contribute to this open data and
non-profit project to combat single-use plastic.

As this project is open data and collaborative, it is a group effort and
anyone can organize a fountain hunt in any city. A couple have already been
organized in the German part of Switzerland.  If anyone organizes one, I am
happy to put a post on our Facebook, Instagram and Twitter pages to try to
round up volunteers.  As soon as new refill points are added to OSM (with
or without image tags) they will be available to everyone - including
European Water Project.

I am totally swamped until the end of March - Global Water Month - during
which we will be presenting our project at 5 or 6 green events around
Geneva, but after that will try to make as many fountain hunts as possible.

Warm regards,

Stuart
https://www.facebook.com/EuropeanWaterProject/
https://twitter.com/european_water

PS : The project is currently focused on fountains, but plans to look at
cafés, bars, night-clubs, and restaurants soon. (For those of you on the
tagging mailing list, you may have seen the many many exchanges on this
subject).



On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 11:10, Alessandro Oggioni 
wrote:

> Dear Stuart,
> this is a very exiting and amazing initiative.
> Do you have intention to organise the same event in Rome in other Italian
> cities? Could be possible to open a call in the project in other to create
> similar initiative, like drinking fountain hut, in other cities?
> I’m living in Milan and the drinking fountain is an institution in my city
> (usually named vedovelle, mean little widows because they are alone and
> abandoned in the city).
>
> Regards
>
> Ale
>
>
> On 20 Jan 2020, at 08:11, European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Giovanni,
>
> A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this email
> rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is for OSM.
>
> In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan had
> a project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million bottles
> of water in PET for export to Asia.  About 1-year ago, I got very involved
> and with a couple of others we created a non-profit association called
> StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and everyone
> from the municipal council supported the project.
>
> After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than
> 7000 flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just
> across the border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we
> were successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no
> choice but to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and
> council members.
>
> Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I learned
> how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't go on
> too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents of
> plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in
> the Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to
> recent studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of
> plastic per week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try
> to help make a difference with this project  ... even in a small symbolic
> way.
>
> In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of
> Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill
> label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided
> not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data
> proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an
> open data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and
> maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations.
>
> On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project
> and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32
> countries in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant
> Secretary-General of the United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen
> Bogdan-Martin, Director of the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the
> ITU.
>
> Now, to answer your question - which is a very good one.
>
> The photo approach has been chosen in large part to build user engagement
> and make the application more interactive. Adding hundred's of photos of
> standard fountains is not the goal... But here in France and across the
> border in Switzerland we have quite a few beautiful stone ones with
> enormous character. I have heard wonders about the fountains in Italy and I
> am looking forward to discovering for myself. We plan to visit Zaragoza,
> Spain later this year.  Zurich, Lucerne and Bern, Switzerland are very
> active as well.
>
> Best regards,
>
> 

Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[Andrea Musuruane]

Hi Stuart,
 I think that the proposed workflow to add drinking water POIs is not
easy for the casual user who is not already an OpenStreetMap contributor
(and OSM contributors already add these POIs :-)). You require a casual
user to register on both OSM and Wikimedia Commons. You require to upload a
photo of the POI which gives very little added value per se.

A simplified workflow with a specialized focus on drinking water POIs would
be better. For example, let the user take a photo using the smart phone.
The photo will already have EXIF data. Among the EXIF data there are the
coordinates where the photo has been taken (latitude/longitude). Check if a
POI is already present nearby. If not, position a marker on these
coordinate with a satellite map as background. Let the user move it to
better place the POI. When the user is happy, he can submit the info and
automatically the POI should be imported in OSM and the photo in Wikimedia
Commons.

Best Regards,

Andrea


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 8:13 AM European Water Project <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Giovanni,
>
> A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this email
> rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is for OSM.
>
> In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan had
> a project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million bottles
> of water in PET for export to Asia.  About 1-year ago, I got very involved
> and with a couple of others we created a non-profit association called
> StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and everyone
> from the municipal council supported the project.
>
> After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than
> 7000 flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just
> across the border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we
> were successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no
> choice but to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and
> council members.
>
> Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I learned
> how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't go on
> too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents of
> plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in
> the Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to
> recent studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of
> plastic per week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try
> to help make a difference with this project  ... even in a small symbolic
> way.
>
> In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of
> Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill
> label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided
> not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data
> proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an
> open data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and
> maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations.
>
> On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project
> and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32
> countries in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant
> Secretary-General of the United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen
> Bogdan-Martin, Director of the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the
> ITU.
>
> Now, to answer your question - which is a very good one.
>
> The photo approach has been chosen in large part to build user engagement
> and make the application more interactive. Adding hundred's of photos of
> standard fountains is not the goal... But here in France and across the
> border in Switzerland we have quite a few beautiful stone ones with
> enormous character. I have heard wonders about the fountains in Italy and I
> am looking forward to discovering for myself. We plan to visit Zaragoza,
> Spain later this year.  Zurich, Lucerne and Bern, Switzerland are very
> active as well.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 23:11, Cascafico Giovanni 
> wrote:
>
>> The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for
>> refill as a cyclist and RV user. But still,  since project aims to have a
>> comprehensive map of drinking/refilling places, I wonder why a photo
>> approach has been chosen.
>> Maybe a point-click-upload is more sexy than a boring survey app? Or
>> prospect to see your image online can trigger a sort of gamification? Or
>> both?
>>
>> Of course photos (mapillary, openstreetcam, commons or whatever) are not
>> an issue, but I don't think they will add more value to simple OSM nodes
>> with approprieate tags (BTW bottle=yes|no is important).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project <
>> 

Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[Alessandro Oggioni]

Dear Stuart,
this is a very exiting and amazing initiative.
Do you have intention to organise the same event in Rome in other Italian 
cities? Could be possible to open a call in the project in other to create 
similar initiative, like drinking fountain hut, in other cities?
I’m living in Milan and the drinking fountain is an institution in my city 
(usually named vedovelle, mean little widows because they are alone and 
abandoned in the city).

Regards

Ale
 

> On 20 Jan 2020, at 08:11, European Water Project 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Giovanni,
> 
> A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this email 
> rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is for OSM. 
> 
> In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan had a 
> project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million bottles of 
> water in PET for export to Asia.  About 1-year ago, I got very involved and 
> with a couple of others we created a non-profit association called 
> StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and everyone from 
> the municipal council supported the project. 
> 
> After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than 7000 
> flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just across the 
> border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we were 
> successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no choice but 
> to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and council 
> members.
> 
> Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I learned 
> how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't go on too 
> long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents of plastic 
> in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in the 
> Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to recent 
> studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of plastic per 
> week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try to help make 
> a difference with this project  ... even in a small symbolic way. 
> 
> In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of Bristol, 
> inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill label and 
> many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided not to 
> partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data proprietary 
> and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an open data 
> collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and maintaining 
> a global database of potable water bottle refill stations. 
> 
> On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project and 
> application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32 countries 
> in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant Secretary-General of the 
> United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Director of 
> the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the ITU. 
> 
> Now, to answer your question - which is a very good one. 
> 
> The photo approach has been chosen in large part to build user engagement and 
> make the application more interactive. Adding hundred's of photos of standard 
> fountains is not the goal... But here in France and across the border in 
> Switzerland we have quite a few beautiful stone ones with enormous character. 
> I have heard wonders about the fountains in Italy and I am looking forward to 
> discovering for myself. We plan to visit Zaragoza, Spain later this year.  
> Zurich, Lucerne and Bern, Switzerland are very active as well. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Stuart 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 23:11, Cascafico Giovanni  > wrote:
> The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for refill 
> as a cyclist and RV user. But still,  since project aims to have a 
> comprehensive map of drinking/refilling places, I wonder why a photo approach 
> has been chosen. 
> Maybe a point-click-upload is more sexy than a boring survey app? Or prospect 
> to see your image online can trigger a sort of gamification? Or both?
> 
> Of course photos (mapillary, openstreetcam, commons or whatever) are not an 
> issue, but I don't think they will add more value to simple OSM nodes with 
> approprieate tags (BTW bottle=yes|no is important).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project 
> mailto:europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>> ha 
> scritto:
> Hi Giovanni,
> 
> Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as possible 
> on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars.
> 
> And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic. 
> 
> I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which shows 
> the fountain in its spacial context is an issue. 
> 
> Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have 

Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[European Water Project]

Dear Giovanni,

A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this email
rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is for OSM.

In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan had
a project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million bottles
of water in PET for export to Asia.  About 1-year ago, I got very involved
and with a couple of others we created a non-profit association called
StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and everyone
from the municipal council supported the project.

After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than
7000 flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just
across the border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we
were successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no
choice but to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and
council members.

Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I learned
how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't go on
too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents of
plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in
the Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to
recent studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of
plastic per week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try
to help make a difference with this project  ... even in a small symbolic
way.

In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of
Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill
label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided
not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data
proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an
open data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and
maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations.

On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project
and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32
countries in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant
Secretary-General of the United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen
Bogdan-Martin, Director of the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the
ITU.

Now, to answer your question - which is a very good one.

The photo approach has been chosen in large part to build user engagement
and make the application more interactive. Adding hundred's of photos of
standard fountains is not the goal... But here in France and across the
border in Switzerland we have quite a few beautiful stone ones with
enormous character. I have heard wonders about the fountains in Italy and I
am looking forward to discovering for myself. We plan to visit Zaragoza,
Spain later this year.  Zurich, Lucerne and Bern, Switzerland are very
active as well.

Best regards,

Stuart






On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 23:11, Cascafico Giovanni 
wrote:

> The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for
> refill as a cyclist and RV user. But still,  since project aims to have a
> comprehensive map of drinking/refilling places, I wonder why a photo
> approach has been chosen.
> Maybe a point-click-upload is more sexy than a boring survey app? Or
> prospect to see your image online can trigger a sort of gamification? Or
> both?
>
> Of course photos (mapillary, openstreetcam, commons or whatever) are not
> an issue, but I don't think they will add more value to simple OSM nodes
> with approprieate tags (BTW bottle=yes|no is important).
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Giovanni,
>>
>> Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as
>> possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars.
>>
>> And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic.
>>
>> I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which
>> shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue.
>>
>> Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the
>> wikidata item number added to the OSM node?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Stuart,
>>>
>>> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what
>>> the project aims to.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 19. Jan 2020, at 18:55, European Water Project 
>  wrote:
> 
> With the help of Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap Spain, France and Switzerland 
> and a bunch of friends we have developed instructions for adding photos into 
> Wikimedia Commons and new fountains into OpenStreetMap in 8 languages 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Project/European_Water_Project/it
>  


great initiative, as a small note, you are distinguishing (Italian version) 
between modern and antique fountains, but the common distinction in 
OpenStreetMap is between decorative (amenity=fountain) and functional or at 
least not really a fountain by size (amenity drinking water). I would also 
encourage people to add the fountain=* subtag.




> 
> The reason I am writing you is that with the foundation My-D.org, we are 
> organizing a drinking fountain hunt in late April in Rome and wanted to know 
> if anyone on the ground might want to participate - and help out. The idea is 
> to add photos of drinking fountains to Wikimedia Commons and link them to 
> either existing fountains already present in OpenStreetMap and add with their 
> photos any missing modern fountains ("amenity=drinking_water") or older 
> fountains ("amenity=fountain && drinking_water=yes") to  OpenStreetMap. 


I’ll try to be there.


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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[Cascafico Giovanni]

The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for refill
as a cyclist and RV user. But still,  since project aims to have a
comprehensive map of drinking/refilling places, I wonder why a photo
approach has been chosen.
Maybe a point-click-upload is more sexy than a boring survey app? Or
prospect to see your image online can trigger a sort of gamification? Or
both?

Of course photos (mapillary, openstreetcam, commons or whatever) are not an
issue, but I don't think they will add more value to simple OSM nodes with
approprieate tags (BTW bottle=yes|no is important).






Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Hi Giovanni,
>
> Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as
> possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars.
>
> And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic.
>
> I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which
> shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue.
>
> Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the
> wikidata item number added to the OSM node?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Stuart,
>>
>> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what
>> the project aims to.
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

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Daniele,

That is funny :)

A direct translation from "gourdes" in French.

I thought we had that checked 

Thank you,

Stuart


On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 22:03 Daniele Forsi  wrote:

> European Water Project wrote:
>
> > https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT
>
> you may want to have the Italian translation checked, "zucca" means
> pumpkin:
> Adotta una zucca
> Riempire la zucca con fontanelle
>
>
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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

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European Water Project wrote:

> https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT

you may want to have the Italian translation checked, "zucca" means pumpkin:
Adotta una zucca
Riempire la zucca con fontanelle


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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

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Hi Francesco,

That's a good idea we should look into it.

Thanks,

Stuart

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 21:43 Francesco Ansanelli  wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
>
> Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Giovanni,
>>
>> Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as
>> possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars.
>>
>> And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic.
>>
>> I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which
>> shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue.
>>
>> Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the
>> wikidata item number added to the OSM node?
>>
>
> How about using mapillary for your task? In future water taps could be
> automatically recognised...
> Cheers
> Francesco
>
>
>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Stuart,
>>>
>>> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what
>>> the project aims to.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

[Francesco Ansanelli]

Hi Stuart,

Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Hi Giovanni,
>
> Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as
> possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars.
>
> And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic.
>
> I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which
> shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue.
>
> Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the
> wikidata item number added to the OSM node?
>

How about using mapillary for your task? In future water taps could be
automatically recognised...
Cheers
Francesco



> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Stuart,
>>
>> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what
>> the project aims to.
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

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Hi Giovanni,

Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as possible
on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars.

And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic.

I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which
shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue.

Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the
wikidata item number added to the OSM node?

Best regards,

Stuart


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Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

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Hello Stuart,

I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what the
project aims to.
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[Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt

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To whom it may concern,

Sorry I can't write in Italian.

We recently created a small Geneva based NGO called European Water Project
which has a mission to contribute to reducing single use plastic-waste at a
global level.

Our project is 100% open data, collaborative and a bit experimental.  We
have developed a map based Progressive Web Application available in 8
languages (including Italian) which allows one to locate the nearest water
points. You will be able to fill your water bottle and drink for free,
without generating disposable plastic waste.  We are starting with drinking
fountains, but will branch out to cafés, bars and restaurants willing to
refill reusable water bottles for free.

At European Water Project, we believe that everyone should have the ability
to drink water wherever they are without creating single use waste plastic.

This Progressive Web App, available in 8 languages, was purposefully
developed outside the Google / Apple store. You can download it here, if of
interest,  https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT on your desktop or
telephone’s browser (Safari for IOS).

With the help of Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap Spain, France and Switzerland
and a bunch of friends we have developed instructions for adding photos
into Wikimedia Commons and new fountains into OpenStreetMap in 8 languages
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Project/European_Water_Project/it


The reason I am writing you is that with the foundation My-D.org, we are
organizing a drinking fountain hunt in late April in Rome and wanted to
know if anyone on the ground might want to participate - and help out. The
idea is to add photos of drinking fountains to Wikimedia Commons and link
them to either existing fountains already present in OpenStreetMap and add
with their photos any missing modern fountains ("amenity=drinking_water")
or older fountains ("amenity=fountain && drinking_water=yes") to
OpenStreetMap.

Best regards,¨

Stuart
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