Re: [talk-ph] RFC: importing Palawan roads
> There is no online map we can compare the traces to to see how accurate I'm doing it when I got this message. :) See for yourself over GEarth (blue is OSM, red is the road data). http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3566/3596753363_51c00bb5f3_o.jpg Notice the shift? (copyright image of DigitalGlobe and Google included to abide by it's Terms of Use) :) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner wrote: > There is no online map we can compare the traces to to see how accurate > it is? > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] race to trace Sales interchange
Was about to do this when I realized, if I go up Skyway Magallanes and then out NAIA 3, I get charged PHP85 for that short distance :) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] change road type based on road condition
On Friday 05 June 2009 13:19:31 Marloue Pidor wrote: > Wait till they visit Surigao del Sur's costal highways its; > > potholes=many > smoothness=horrible > locals=nasty > tracktype=grade1 Which Road are you talking about Edsa or JP Rizal? Not sure if you want to go to this level now, As the number of locals available to update the data.. Dont remove a road just because its condition is bad it is still a road and when it does get fixed who will remember to readd the segment.. Regards.. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] RFC: importing protected areas/ national parks boundaries
> Is it Mount Kanlaon National Park included? If we include those national park > it would be much interesting for those who who use OSM for biodiversity > conservation. Not sure, but I think it is. Right, in some areas there are no road data simply because the are not much road in the first place. It would be good for other data users (like conservationist) to be able to use the data for their purpose. Some important features I dream of adding: 1. rivers 2. landcover (different from landuse) 3. coral reefs This can be mapped using landsat by the way. > thanks. > noel On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:33 AM, maning sambale wrote: > Not good enough: > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3595795759_20a6a76358_o.png > > It seems small protected areas were marked as large squares just to > appear on the 1:7M scale map. > Still other boundaries are good. Need to edit first, before import. > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM, maning sambale > wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar >> wrote: >>> Should we add them? Why not? >> OK, I will send a sample file for everyone to look at before adding them. >> >> I'm thinking of including additional tag, for example: >> >> name=Northern Sierra Madre Natural Park >> boundary=national_park >> NIPAS:category=natural park # this link for ref: >> http://sunsite.nus.edu.sg/apcel/dbase/filipino/primary/phanip.html >> source=PBCPP, 2002 # this is the actual source of publication >> >> Is this OK, or any better tag for this? >> >> >>> I think these are the same shapefiles that Microsoft Encarta used in its >>> Atlas component and the same ones imported into Google Maps/Map Maker. For >>> instance look at the following Google Maps links: >>> >>> Biak-na-Bato National Park: >>> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=15.11853,121.087189&spn=0.082363,0.175781&z=13 >> >> We have way better boundary of Biak na Bato: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.1417&lon=121.099&zoom=13&layers=B000FTF >> (I know because I stayed there for a few years) >> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:33 PM, maning sambale >>> wrote: Hi, I found this in my gis database: 123pas_ini_unproc.shp Unproclaimed protected areas as initial components vis-a-vis integrated terrestrial and inland water priority areas. 2pas_unproc_addl.shp Unproclaimed Protected areas as additional components vis-a-vis integrated terrestrial and inland water priority areas. 36pa_iniunproc_ver.shp Unproclaimed protected areas with boundaries for verification as initial components vis-a-vis integrated terrestrial and inland water priority areas. 83pas_proc.shp Proclaimed protected areas vis-a-vis integrated terrestrial and inland water priority areas. Fineprint: Source: PAWB-DENR, CI Philippines Restriction: No restriction of use Date: 12/08/00 Citation: Data Source: Participants of the Philippine Biodiversity Conservation Priority-Setting Workshop, December 4 - 8, 2000 Scale: 1:7,500,000 Should we add them? FYI, we have 1 national park boundary added already: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.126&lon=121.124&zoom=11&layers=B000FTF -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> cheers, >> maning >> -- >> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >> -- >> > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] RFC: importing Palawan roads
There is no online map we can compare the traces to to see how accurate it is? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] RFC: importing Palawan roads
Ako, I would go for uploading it as GPX. this way mappers, local or non-local can use it whether they are seriously mapping Palawan or just practicing to map on OSM. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM, maning sambale wrote: > Hi, > > Request for Comments (RFC) for importing Palawan Road Data. > > An engineering/surveying company gave me data for the roads of > Palawan. The company allowed us to add this data to Openstreetmap. > I am fairly certain it didn't come from copyrighted sources, since > they surveyed it themselves. > > See coverage here: > whole Palawan > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3401/3597237046_913bd6f8cb_o.png > > subset for details (red is OSM road, blue is the data): > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2293/3597238322_c0b6e5c188_o.png > > The problem is: > 1. No attribute information (road name and type). Just a lot > topologically and positionally accurate lines. > 2. The data seems shifted westward by a few meters (probably a datum > issue, > should be easy to manually adjust before upload). > > We had imported this kind of data before (Laguna roads). AFAIK, > laguna editors like ianlopez had to manually edit a lot to make it > what it is now. > > Any advice? Some options I can think of are: > > 1. Don't add it, we might have a lot of data but not very useful (no > road name, type). Might be more difficult to maintain (something like > Tiger data before). > 2. Convert it to GPX and allow Palawan editors (meron ba?) to use it > as reference for tracing. > 3. Import with the following tags: > > highway=road > source=name of company > FIXME=fix for names and highway type. > > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] change road type based on road condition
In several areas, I've also seen, highway=primary potholes=many smoothness=horrible locals=friendly tracktype=grade1 car=no habal-habal=yes Yet we can still call it a primary road > The road still qualify as primary road because of the traffic condition not > the road condition. I agree here. > <-Original Message-> >>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] >>Sent: 6/5/2009 1:17:08 PM >>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] change road type based on road condition >> >>Hi, >> >>A mapper pointed me to this discussion re: removing a road network >>because of the bad road condition and is currently under repair >>http://www.roadguide.ph/forums/showpost.php?p=5911&postcount=1 >> >>I don't think removing the segment is good, even though it's full of >>potholes, I believe it is still being used by locals. >> >>Any additional tag we can add? >> >>potholes=many >>smoothness=horrible >>locals=nasty >> >>:) >> >>-- >>cheers, >>maning >>-- >>"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >>wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >>blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >>-- >> >>___ >>talk-ph mailing list >>talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >>. >> > > ___ > Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com > Unlimited Email Storage POP3 Calendar SMS Translator Much More! -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] change road type based on road condition
Wait till they visit Surigao del Sur's costal highways its; potholes=many smoothness=horrible locals=nasty tracktype=grade1 >From Lianga all the way to Claver. The road still qualify as primary road because of the traffic condition not the road condition. The road is not under construction its just a limestone national highway. murlwe <-Original Message-> >From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] >Sent: 6/5/2009 1:17:08 PM >To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [talk-ph] change road type based on road condition > >Hi, > >A mapper pointed me to this discussion re: removing a road network >because of the bad road condition and is currently under repair >http://www.roadguide.ph/forums/showpost.php?p=5911&postcount=1 > >I don't think removing the segment is good, even though it's full of >potholes, I believe it is still being used by locals. > >Any additional tag we can add? > >potholes=many >smoothness=horrible >locals=nasty > >:) > >-- >cheers, >maning >-- >"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >-- > >___ >talk-ph mailing list >talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >. > ___Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com target=new>http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More!___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] change road type based on road condition
Hi, A mapper pointed me to this discussion re: removing a road network because of the bad road condition and is currently under repair http://www.roadguide.ph/forums/showpost.php?p=5911&postcount=1 I don't think removing the segment is good, even though it's full of potholes, I believe it is still being used by locals. Any additional tag we can add? potholes=many smoothness=horrible locals=nasty :) -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] RFC: importing Palawan roads
Hi, Request for Comments (RFC) for importing Palawan Road Data. An engineering/surveying company gave me data for the roads of Palawan. The company allowed us to add this data to Openstreetmap. I am fairly certain it didn't come from copyrighted sources, since they surveyed it themselves. See coverage here: whole Palawan http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3401/3597237046_913bd6f8cb_o.png subset for details (red is OSM road, blue is the data): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2293/3597238322_c0b6e5c188_o.png The problem is: 1. No attribute information (road name and type). Just a lot topologically and positionally accurate lines. 2. The data seems shifted westward by a few meters (probably a datum issue, should be easy to manually adjust before upload). We had imported this kind of data before (Laguna roads). AFAIK, laguna editors like ianlopez had to manually edit a lot to make it what it is now. Any advice? Some options I can think of are: 1. Don't add it, we might have a lot of data but not very useful (no road name, type). Might be more difficult to maintain (something like Tiger data before). 2. Convert it to GPX and allow Palawan editors (meron ba?) to use it as reference for tracing. 3. Import with the following tags: highway=road source=name of company FIXME=fix for names and highway type. -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] suggest a new mapping party event
> GPStogo just for a week for the mapping party in Davao. Give me an address off-list. Is JRS-Express OK in Davao? -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] my next-gen experiment with garmin maps
Garmin GPS users see this: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2433/3596595528_d1db0bb99f_o.jpg It has great data, contours and it's routable. :) -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] RFC: importing protected areas/ national parks boundaries
Not good enough: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3595795759_20a6a76358_o.png It seems small protected areas were marked as large squares just to appear on the 1:7M scale map. Still other boundaries are good. Need to edit first, before import. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM, maning sambale wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> Should we add them? Why not? > OK, I will send a sample file for everyone to look at before adding them. > > I'm thinking of including additional tag, for example: > > name=Northern Sierra Madre Natural Park > boundary=national_park > NIPAS:category=natural park # this link for ref: > http://sunsite.nus.edu.sg/apcel/dbase/filipino/primary/phanip.html > source=PBCPP, 2002 # this is the actual source of publication > > Is this OK, or any better tag for this? > > >> I think these are the same shapefiles that Microsoft Encarta used in its >> Atlas component and the same ones imported into Google Maps/Map Maker. For >> instance look at the following Google Maps links: >> >> Biak-na-Bato National Park: >> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=15.11853,121.087189&spn=0.082363,0.175781&z=13 > > We have way better boundary of Biak na Bato: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.1417&lon=121.099&zoom=13&layers=B000FTF > (I know because I stayed there for a few years) > > >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:33 PM, maning sambale >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I found this in my gis database: >>> >>> 123pas_ini_unproc.shp Unproclaimed protected areas as initial >>> components vis-a-vis integrated terrestrial and inland water priority >>> areas. >>> >>> 2pas_unproc_addl.shp Unproclaimed Protected areas as additional >>> components vis-a-vis integrated terrestrial and inland water priority >>> areas. >>> >>> 36pa_iniunproc_ver.shp Unproclaimed protected areas >>> with boundaries for verification as initial components vis-a-vis >>> integrated terrestrial and inland water priority areas. >>> >>> 83pas_proc.shp Proclaimed protected areas vis-a-vis integrated >>> terrestrial and inland water priority areas. >>> >>> Fineprint: >>> Source: PAWB-DENR, CI Philippines >>> Restriction: No restriction of use >>> Date: 12/08/00 >>> Citation: Data Source: Participants of the Philippine Biodiversity >>> Conservation >>> Priority-Setting Workshop, December 4 - 8, 2000 >>> Scale: 1:7,500,000 >>> >>> Should we add them? FYI, we have 1 national park boundary added already: >>> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.126&lon=121.124&zoom=11&layers=B000FTF >>> >>> -- >>> cheers, >>> maning >>> -- >>> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >>> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >>> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >>> -- >>> >>> ___ >>> talk-ph mailing list >>> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> >> >> >> -- >> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com >> > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] suggest a new mapping party event
Davao maybe too costly for you guys but if anyone from north could come down south it would be great. We're brewing a mapping party in the end of June or 1st week of July. As of now we have three teams to map Toril, Mintal and Buhangin areas. George (smackcode) is wondering if we could borrow one GPStogo just for a week for the mapping party in Davao. And our next plan is to map the entire Samal Island. mapping... nakaka-adik. murlwe <-Original Message-> >From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] >Sent: 6/4/2009 12:25:31 PM >To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [talk-ph] suggest a new mapping party event > >Where to next? Let's make a a long list of mapping bounty here. If we >can craft this list, we can start rough planning. > >Davao c/o murlwe and smackcode > > >Place: >- Somewhere in Metro Manila with very minimal coverage > > >Date: >- next month July > > >-- >cheers, >maning >-- >"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >-- > >___ >talk-ph mailing list >talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >. > ___Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com target=new>http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More!___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] suggest a new mapping party event
Lake Caliraya is highly irregular. It's basically a man-made lake created by damming a valley. So there's a lot of narrow spots in there. I'm not so sure if bancas can readily go up along those narrow branches. Then again, I haven't been to the place. Hehehe. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:58 PM, maning sambale wrote: > Is this the lakes? > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.2711&lon=121.5494&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF > > Hmm. Looks like a tough one: > > http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=14.302146,121.520977&spn=0.069697,0.111666&t=h&z=14 > > The shoreline looks very complicated. I found some cloud-free landsat > data around the area (March 2009) that might be useful. I'll try to > download and trace the approximate shoreline and then we can verify on > the ground and add resort details. > > What ya think? > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Ed Garcia wrote: > > Yes, I believe it can be done in a day even with one boat only. But 2 or > 3 > > boats will give us more time to have a picnic time. I am also thinking > of > > challenging some members of waypoints.ph if they are interested in > kayaking > > the shores and get to "claim" that they were the first to map the lake by > > kayak (a marathon of sorts). btw, what is the best way to give credits > to > > OSM contributors for contributing such "noteworthy" data? > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM, maning sambale < > emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Can this be done in a day? Game ako. > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Ed Garcia wrote: > >> > This may not be a mapping party, but more of a mapping challenge ... > >> > > >> > I have long wondered if anybody will be interested in mapping the > actual > >> > shores of Caliraya and Lumot lakes by GPS on a boat or kayak. We can > >> > hire > >> > maybe 2 or 3 boats to go around the lake along the shore then take > >> > tracklogs. We can also map the resorts, parks and fishing grounds in > >> > the > >> > area. Then, just so it can be said that it is a "party" ... we can > have > >> > a > >> > picnic in one of the resorts. > >> > > >> > ... just a suggestion. what think? > >> > > >> > cheers, > >> > ed > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:23 PM, maning sambale > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Where to next? Let's make a a long list of mapping bounty here. If > we > >> >> can craft this list, we can start rough planning. > >> >> > >> >> Davao c/o murlwe and smackcode > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Place: > >> >> - Somewhere in Metro Manila with very minimal coverage > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Date: > >> >> - next month July > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> cheers, > >> >> maning > >> >> -- > >> >> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > >> >> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > >> >> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> ___ > >> >> talk-ph mailing list > >> >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > >> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > website administrator: > >> > - www.waypoints.ph > >> > - reeflife.eppgarcia.com > >> > > >> > PADI Divemaster #491048 > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> cheers, > >> maning > >> -- > >> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > >> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > >> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > >> -- > > > > > > > > -- > > website administrator: > > - www.waypoints.ph > > - reeflife.eppgarcia.com > > > > PADI Divemaster #491048 > > > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] south-bound of NLEX was changed to highway=trunk
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/31233507 hmmm -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
