Re: [talk-ph] Ground Truth
Hi, Yes this is a nifty tool. I am experimenting on this one for a couple of weeks now generating contours (10 meter interval) for garmin devices. So far I was able to generate the whole Philippines from SRTM. Anyone who wants one I can give it. The problem is, it is a .NET based apps (with dependencies on cgpsmapper). I had mixed results before with using mono so I had to use a virtualbox for groundtruth to work easily. Moreover, free cgpsmapper doesn't support road routing so I had to use mkgmap for roads while groundtruth for contour generation which is OK since you had to generate garmin contours only one. Make sure you have a lot of RAM and disk space allotted for your vbox to produce the whole Philippine contour. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Hi All. Been a bit quiet recently as I went off to UK and France for a couple of weeks. Just got back in the middle of the typhoon, and have been catching up with work since then. Anyway today I had a bit of spare time, and found myself browsing the OSM site. I found some software called GroundTruth which looked interesting, so I thought I'd share it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GroundTruth It will apparently make Garmin maps of a given area. It will also make maps in image format as well, like the OSM export function. However, what I found interesting, is that you can play with the way it renders the data, by using a Map Rules file. The examples given on the wiki are for eg driving maps, cycling maps, hiking maps, and you can choose whether or not to include contour data etc. But you can also write your own map rules files, so you can customise how the data displays to your own taste. There are a few user examples of this as well. It seemed like worth mentioning, as a couple of questions on the list this year have been related to this custom rendering function. I don't have a use for it right now, but I'm thinking ... Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 920 912 5830 Hong Kong: +852 6840 6693 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Planning ahead of disasters with GIS
Incredible! it just might be a ploy to justify more government spendings :) I guess its up to us to really inform the government that OSM can really help. Bigay na lang natin sa mga biktima ang cost savings :) On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:09 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Pucha! I almost fell-off my chair! With each map sheet costing P500,000, creating a GIS base map will cost P6.5 billion. I know data creation is expensive, but is it really that much (500K per mapsheet)? -- Forwarded message -- From: r...@cp-union.com r...@cp-union.com Date: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM Subject: Planning ahead of disasters with GIS To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Sagutin natin na may available ng mga opensource tools for this and what we need are more support from the government to complete base maps ng phil. Much cheaper din kung open source gagamitin. http://technology.inquirer.net/infotech/infotech/view/20091012-229676/Planning-ahead-of-disasters-with-GIS What you think? Rick -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Planning ahead of disasters with GIS
I'm all for unifying GIS data for the whole Philippines, but before they get on another mapping spending spree, please let us know whatever happened to the geohazard mapping they initiated after the leyte landslides: http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/pe/pe003835.htm Was it successful? Did LGUs used the data? Were lives saved because of these maps? [with apologies for ranting] On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:18 PM, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: Incredible! it just might be a ploy to justify more government spendings :) I guess its up to us to really inform the government that OSM can really help. Bigay na lang natin sa mga biktima ang cost savings :) On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:09 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Pucha! I almost fell-off my chair! With each map sheet costing P500,000, creating a GIS base map will cost P6.5 billion. I know data creation is expensive, but is it really that much (500K per mapsheet)? -- Forwarded message -- From: r...@cp-union.com r...@cp-union.com Date: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM Subject: Planning ahead of disasters with GIS To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Sagutin natin na may available ng mga opensource tools for this and what we need are more support from the government to complete base maps ng phil. Much cheaper din kung open source gagamitin. http://technology.inquirer.net/infotech/infotech/view/20091012-229676/Planning-ahead-of-disasters-with-GIS What you think? Rick -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Planning ahead of disasters with GIS
How big an area do the data sheets cover? Maybe the budget also covers data maintenance over a set number of years? Then again, the government tends to overbudget on IT projects like this. :-/ On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:09 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Pucha! I almost fell-off my chair! With each map sheet costing P500,000, creating a GIS base map will cost P6.5 billion. I know data creation is expensive, but is it really that much (500K per mapsheet)? -- Forwarded message -- From: r...@cp-union.com r...@cp-union.com Date: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM Subject: Planning ahead of disasters with GIS To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Sagutin natin na may available ng mga opensource tools for this and what we need are more support from the government to complete base maps ng phil. Much cheaper din kung open source gagamitin. http://technology.inquirer.net/infotech/infotech/view/20091012-229676/Planning-ahead-of-disasters-with-GIS What you think? Rick -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fw: Philippines
I joined the Typhoon Ondoy Google Groups ( http://groups.google.com/group/typhoonondoy) and brought up the OSB map and the use of OSM tiles as an alternative layer for areas where Google Maps is poor (like Laguna). Anyway, check out this interface they developed incorporating OSM Mapnik tiles as another layer to the default Google Maps tiles. http://www.google.com/maps/mpl?moduleurl=http://sugo-katta.appspot.com/neoMapplet35.xml The discussion there is centering towards aggregating all the disparate data into a unified repository of sorts. This will include rescue, relief, rehabilitation, and rebuilding data. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Received the message below from MapAction .. major kudos, plus requests for data, if there's any possibility of collecting it. - Forwarded Message From: Andrew Smith Subject: RE: Philippines Hi Mikel, Thanks for your email. The OSM data has been fantastic - please pass on our congratulations and thanks to the OSM Philippines team. There is a big need for roads data outside Metro Manila, in particularly in Region III and Region I. The Provinces of La Union, Pangasinan, Tarlac and Pampanga are the worst hit by Pepeng/Parma. Additionally there is the need for the current road status throughout all of the above areas, all the western edge of Laguna De May (see the AOI map attached - this was made for a different purpose, but suffices for this.) There is GIS officer from WFP/Logs Cluster arriving soon, so I will mention your interest and OSM PH's efforts to them. Longer term they would be the people on the international side of thing who will be wanting to know about roads. If you've not already found it, you may be interested in the Typhoon Ondy Google Group: http://www.google.com/landing/typhoon-ondoy.html We have been in contact with them. They have setup a crowd-source mapping effort with some success - helped by the fact that they have some Google alumni amongst their numbers, meaning that they where for a while on the www.google.com.ph landing page. There are quite a lot of other crowd source efforts about and they are now attempting to aggregate them. They have been after roads and road status data recently. I'd recommend you and/or OSM PH introducing themselves on that list. The boundaries are a definite no I'm afraid. This was given to us by GeoData (www.geodata.com.ph) the local ESRI supplier - under a use but don't share arrangement. The other publicly available boundary data was a bit of a mess I'm afraid. Best wishes, Andy Andy Smith - Philippines Field Team MapAction (www.mapaction.org) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fw: Philippines
Great, just joined that group too That's a really nice Google Maps hack :) From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com To: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 9:41:16 AM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fw: Philippines I joined the Typhoon Ondoy Google Groups (http://groups.google.com/group/typhoonondoy) and brought up the OSB map and the use of OSM tiles as an alternative layer for areas where Google Maps is poor (like Laguna). Anyway, check out this interface they developed incorporating OSM Mapnik tiles as another layer to the default Google Maps tiles. http://www.google.com/maps/mpl?moduleurl=http://sugo-katta.appspot.com/neoMapplet35.xml The discussion there is centering towards aggregating all the disparate data into a unified repository of sorts. This will include rescue, relief, rehabilitation, and rebuilding data. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Received the message below from MapAction .. major kudos, plus requests for data, if there's any possibility of collecting it. - Forwarded Message From: Andrew Smith Subject: RE: Philippines Hi Mikel, Thanks for your email. The OSM data has been fantastic - please pass on our congratulations and thanks to the OSM Philippines team. There is a big need for roads data outside Metro Manila, in particularly in Region III and Region I. The Provinces of La Union, Pangasinan, Tarlac and Pampanga are the worst hit by Pepeng/Parma. Additionally there is the need for the current road status throughout all of the above areas, all the western edge of Laguna De May (see the AOI map attached - this was made for a different purpose, but suffices for this.) There is GIS officer from WFP/Logs Cluster arriving soon, so I will mention your interest and OSM PH's efforts to them. Longer term they would be the people on the international side of thing who will be wanting to know about roads. If you've not already found it, you may be interested in the Typhoon Ondy Google Group: http://www.google.com/landing/typhoon-ondoy.html We have been in contact with them. They have setup a crowd-source mapping effort with some success - helped by the fact that they have some Google alumni amongst their numbers, meaning that they where for a while on the www.google.com.ph landing page. There are quite a lot of other crowd source efforts about and they are now attempting to aggregate them. They have been after roads and road status data recently. I'd recommend you and/or OSM PH introducing themselves on that list. The boundaries are a definite no I'm afraid. This was given to us by GeoData (www.geodata.com.ph) the local ESRI supplier - under a use but don't share arrangement. The other publicly available boundary data was a bit of a mess I'm afraid. Best wishes, Andy Andy Smith - Philippines Field Team MapAction (www.mapaction.org) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fw: Philippines
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I joined the Typhoon Ondoy Google Groups (http://groups.google.com/group/typhoonondoy) and brought up the OSB map and the use of OSM tiles as an alternative layer for areas where Google Maps is poor (like Laguna). Anyway, check out this interface they developed incorporating OSM Mapnik tiles as another layer to the default Google Maps tiles. http://www.google.com/maps/mpl?moduleurl=http://sugo-katta.appspot.com/neoMapplet35.xml The discussion there is centering towards aggregating all the disparate data into a unified repository of sorts. This will include rescue, relief, rehabilitation, and rebuilding data. Nice! The interface looks cool. But I can't seem to get it working. I tested submitting reports but I can't add an address nor a point. There are no reports generated (probably my poor internet connection). A couple of questions: 1. Do I need a google account to submit reports? 2. Is it possible to close/fix a report? Other than that, the design is excellent especially when we can aggregate other info. A major plus factor to google is the aerials, even when there is no roads we can at least pinpoint a location by looking at the imagery. (You don't need 6.5 B PHP to do this btw, pun intended) On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Received the message below from MapAction .. major kudos, plus requests for data, if there's any possibility of collecting it. - Forwarded Message From: Andrew Smith Subject: RE: Philippines Hi Mikel, Thanks for your email. The OSM data has been fantastic - please pass on our congratulations and thanks to the OSM Philippines team. There is a big need for roads data outside Metro Manila, in particularly in Region III and Region I. The Provinces of La Union, Pangasinan, Tarlac and Pampanga are the worst hit by Pepeng/Parma. Additionally there is the need for the current road status throughout all of the above areas, all the western edge of Laguna De May (see the AOI map attached - this was made for a different purpose, but suffices for this.) There is GIS officer from WFP/Logs Cluster arriving soon, so I will mention your interest and OSM PH's efforts to them. Longer term they would be the people on the international side of thing who will be wanting to know about roads. If you've not already found it, you may be interested in the Typhoon Ondy Google Group: http://www.google.com/landing/typhoon-ondoy.html We have been in contact with them. They have setup a crowd-source mapping effort with some success - helped by the fact that they have some Google alumni amongst their numbers, meaning that they where for a while on the www.google.com.ph landing page. There are quite a lot of other crowd source efforts about and they are now attempting to aggregate them. They have been after roads and road status data recently. I'd recommend you and/or OSM PH introducing themselves on that list. The boundaries are a definite no I'm afraid. This was given to us by GeoData (www.geodata.com.ph) the local ESRI supplier - under a use but don't share arrangement. The other publicly available boundary data was a bit of a mess I'm afraid. Best wishes, Andy Andy Smith - Philippines Field Team MapAction (www.mapaction.org) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Planning ahead of disasters with GIS
On Tuesday 13 October 2009 11:00:35 am maning sambale wrote: :-/I hope so, but what worries me is when we start doing this, can we sustain the effort? In some LGUs , they have way better GIS database than what NAMRIA has. Moreover, does it make much sense to do 1:10K mapping for rugged, uninhabited areas of the Philippines? When you are looking at water flows, then this data can be very important, as it may be a drainage area for a location quite a distance away. Also when they have proper Radar installed they can then see that the rain is falling in these areas, and inform the concerned citizens miles away that they could expect a flash flood. Flash floods caused by rain in isolated areas probably kills more people, since people think it is all safe then the water rises unexpectedly elsewhere. If you are going to do a job like this it is better to do it all correctly than what they have done before which is piece meal which just adds to the frustration when disasters like this occur and you cannot even go back 20 or 40 years to get a good topographical map of the areas concerned. Do it right or not at all. Yes they can prioritise populated areas, but map the lot and then later also the other departments like land use planning, Land titles, can use them. MY 2 Centavos, I do think it is a little costly, but then again looked at your electricity bill lately (2nd most expensive in Asia) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: osb
I replied to this inquiry on using the osb disaster reporting webmap. -- Forwarded message -- From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:00 PM Subject: Re: osb To: Ronnel Golimlim ronnel, Glad to know you find it useful. You can add as much info as you want. One of the features of the system is to be able to easily submit a report (no login needed), once you have provided relief to certain areas, you can mark the report as fixed the icon will change to a blue check mark. You can unfix and fix a report anytime. This way we can monitor which areas need immediate concern. Another feature is you can monitor specific areas given a certain zoom level. For example, if your efforts are concentrated on areas around Dagupan City: http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/?lon=120.381lat=16.05923zoom=12layers=BTTT You can get RSS reports for this area only: http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/osb-cgi/getRSSfeed?b=15.90708t=16.21127l=120.1441r=120.61789 or if you have a GPS, you can download a GPX file showing locations of the report: http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/osb-cgi/getGPX?b=15.90708t=16.21127l=120.14411r=120.61789open=yes We can generate reports for you just let us know what specific info you need. Openstreetmap can also provide you with volunteer mapping services (to update the background map) and since the data (map and submitted reports) can be freely downloaded, we can create additional map-based information. Good luck and more power! On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Ronnel Golimlim Hi there... i would like to ask on how we can use more that mapping system..i have already tested it and i find it very useful..im already promoting osm-ph..but i would like to ask if we can still improve this..like reporting if we have already provided relief to the affected area, so that other organizations can divert their support to other areas who havent reached by relief, also evac center mapping, etc...love to hear from you RONNEL T. GOLIMLIM, RSW -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
