Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

[maning sambale]

> I don't quite agree that mapping individual rice paddies as landuse=farm is
> the way to go. I think the whole rice farm should be mapped as a single
> object and then the walls/terraces should be mapped as a different object.

Generally, yes I agree for not mapping individual paddies.  But, there
should be some exemptions,
in the case of Ifugao rice terraces, in the Atlas of Ifugao [0], it
was mentioned that the Ifugaos
have a sophisticated property right system dating pre-colonial times
where each rice paddy has
distinct ownership status.  Thus, each rice paddy maybe a separate
"parcel" if we borrow the term to
the current legal ownership system in the Philippines.

Are there people here more knowledgeable with Ifugao culture confirm
if this ownership system still exist?

> I think man_made=bund is a pretty good suggestion. If we all agree on this
> tag, then we should use it and then suggest it to the global community on
> the tagging mailing list.
Should we be creating a wikpage for this?

[0] http://www.ebay.com/itm/CONKLIN-ATLAS-OF-THE-IFUGAO-/390687755077


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Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Maning's recent message about mapping the Batad rice terraces brings us
back to this discussion.

I don't quite agree that mapping individual rice paddies as landuse=farm is
the way to go. I think the whole rice farm should be mapped as a single
object and then the walls/terraces should be mapped as a different object.

I think man_made=bund is a pretty good suggestion. If we all agree on this
tag, then we should use it and then suggest it to the global community on
the tagging mailing list.

~Eugene


On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:

> A bund is also defined as an embankment to control the flow of water. And
> for reference, the English equivalent for the Tagalog term "pilapil" is
> dyke or dike [0] or bund [1].
>
> I am withdrawing my suggestion for the dyke tag, and second Maning's tag
> man_made=bund as technically more appropriate in the context of Asian rice
> fields and paddies. If this motion is carried, let's not forget to document
> this somewhere [2][3].
>
> [0] http://tl.w3dictionary.org/index.php?q=pilapil
> [1] http://www.binisaya.com/node/21&search=root&word=pilapil
> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbund
> [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions
>
>
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> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM, maning sambale <
> emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, truly awesome work by the Lubao MPDC staff especially Pepe.  Just
>> a bit of update from what I heard from Pepe and others.
>> They were able to use the map in the preparation for Glenda.  Right
>> now, they are asking each barangay captain to identify key features in
>> the map like (amenities, shops, name of rivers, sitios, etc) which
>> they now add in the map.
>>
>> Tasking manager job is still not finished [0], and they appreciate
>> everybody's review especially with validating the task.  They are also
>> having difficulty tagging some features (same as this original
>> thread), I asked them to list them and send to this mailinglist so we
>> can help them identify or create (if necessary) the best tag.
>>
>> Sorry for the digression, so what's the best tag now for paths along
>> rice paddies? Should it be man_made=bund [1]? :)
>>
>> [0] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/329
>> [1] http://www.mozda.net/mozda6.html
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:
>> >
>> > On a related note, should we encourage mapping of individual rice
>> paddies,
>> > similar to what's being done with fish ponds?
>> >
>> > Erwin Olario
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>> D56B
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It's probably not being used as such but rice are flood crops and the
>> wiki
>> >> page for dyke states it as "an embankment built to *restrict the flow
>> of
>> >> water or other liquids*" , which in this applies to restricting the
>> water
>> >> within the paddies.
>> >>
>> >> Is there a more appropriate tag?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Erwin Olario
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>> >> D56B
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar > >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be
>> >>> appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these
>> rice
>> >>> paddy embankments do not do that.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, "Erwin Olario"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
>>  Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.
>> 
>>  I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this
>>  case,  paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in
>> fact
>>  they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.
>> 
>>  Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
>>  showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to
>> show what
>>  "Philippine Mapping Convention" is like in real life.
>> 
>>  I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
>>  landuse=farmland
>>  crop=rice
>>  farm=flooded_crops
>> 
>>  What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as
>>  man_made=dyke [1] over highway=path ?
>> 
>>  [0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
>>  [1] http://wiki.openstreetm

Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

[Erwin Olario]

A bund is also defined as an embankment to control the flow of water. And
for reference, the English equivalent for the Tagalog term "pilapil" is
dyke or dike [0] or bund [1].

I am withdrawing my suggestion for the dyke tag, and second Maning's tag
man_made=bund as technically more appropriate in the context of Asian rice
fields and paddies. If this motion is carried, let's not forget to document
this somewhere [2][3].

[0] http://tl.w3dictionary.org/index.php?q=pilapil
[1] http://www.binisaya.com/node/21&search=root&word=pilapil
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbund
[3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions



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On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM, maning sambale  wrote:

> Yes, truly awesome work by the Lubao MPDC staff especially Pepe.  Just
> a bit of update from what I heard from Pepe and others.
> They were able to use the map in the preparation for Glenda.  Right
> now, they are asking each barangay captain to identify key features in
> the map like (amenities, shops, name of rivers, sitios, etc) which
> they now add in the map.
>
> Tasking manager job is still not finished [0], and they appreciate
> everybody's review especially with validating the task.  They are also
> having difficulty tagging some features (same as this original
> thread), I asked them to list them and send to this mailinglist so we
> can help them identify or create (if necessary) the best tag.
>
> Sorry for the digression, so what's the best tag now for paths along
> rice paddies? Should it be man_made=bund [1]? :)
>
> [0] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/329
> [1] http://www.mozda.net/mozda6.html
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:
> >
> > On a related note, should we encourage mapping of individual rice
> paddies,
> > similar to what's being done with fish ponds?
> >
> > Erwin Olario
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> D56B
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> It's probably not being used as such but rice are flood crops and the
> wiki
> >> page for dyke states it as "an embankment built to *restrict the flow of
> >> water or other liquids*" , which in this applies to restricting the
> water
> >> within the paddies.
> >>
> >> Is there a more appropriate tag?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Erwin Olario
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> >> D56B
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be
> >>> appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these
> rice
> >>> paddy embankments do not do that.
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, "Erwin Olario"  wrote:
> 
> 
>  First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
>  Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.
> 
>  I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this
>  case,  paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in
> fact
>  they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.
> 
>  Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
>  showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to
> show what
>  "Philippine Mapping Convention" is like in real life.
> 
>  I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
>  landuse=farmland
>  crop=rice
>  farm=flooded_crops
> 
>  What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as
>  man_made=dyke [1] over highway=path ?
> 
>  [0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
>  [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke
> 
> 
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Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

[maning sambale]

Yes, truly awesome work by the Lubao MPDC staff especially Pepe.  Just
a bit of update from what I heard from Pepe and others.
They were able to use the map in the preparation for Glenda.  Right
now, they are asking each barangay captain to identify key features in
the map like (amenities, shops, name of rivers, sitios, etc) which
they now add in the map.

Tasking manager job is still not finished [0], and they appreciate
everybody's review especially with validating the task.  They are also
having difficulty tagging some features (same as this original
thread), I asked them to list them and send to this mailinglist so we
can help them identify or create (if necessary) the best tag.

Sorry for the digression, so what's the best tag now for paths along
rice paddies? Should it be man_made=bund [1]? :)

[0] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/329
[1] http://www.mozda.net/mozda6.html


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:
>
> On a related note, should we encourage mapping of individual rice paddies,
> similar to what's being done with fish ponds?
>
> Erwin Olario
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> » email: er...@ngnuity.net | gov...@gmail.com
> » mobile: (PHL): +63 908 817 2013
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>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:
>>
>>
>> It's probably not being used as such but rice are flood crops and the wiki
>> page for dyke states it as "an embankment built to *restrict the flow of
>> water or other liquids*" , which in this applies to restricting the water
>> within the paddies.
>>
>> Is there a more appropriate tag?
>>
>>
>>
>> Erwin Olario
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> » email: er...@ngnuity.net | gov...@gmail.com
>> » mobile: (PHL): +63 908 817 2013
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>> D56B
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be
>>> appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these rice
>>> paddy embankments do not do that.
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, "Erwin Olario"  wrote:


 First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
 Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.

 I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this
 case,  paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in fact
 they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.

 Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
 showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to show what
 "Philippine Mapping Convention" is like in real life.

 I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
 landuse=farmland
 crop=rice
 farm=flooded_crops

 What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as
 man_made=dyke [1] over highway=path ?

 [0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke



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Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

[Erwin Olario]

On a related note, should we encourage mapping of individual rice paddies,
similar to what's being done with fish ponds?
​​

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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:

>
> It's probably not being used as such but rice are flood crops and the wiki
> page for dyke states it as "an embankment built to *restrict the flow of
> water or other liquids*" , which in this applies to restricting the water
> within the paddies.
>
> Is there a more appropriate tag?
>
>
>
> *Erwin Olario*
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>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
> wrote:
>
>> I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be
>> appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these rice
>> paddy embankments do not do that.
>> On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, "Erwin Olario"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
>>> Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.
>>>
>>> I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this
>>> case,  paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in fact
>>> they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.
>>>
>>> Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
>>> showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to show what
>>> "Philippine Mapping Convention" is like in real life.
>>>
>>> I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
>>> landuse=farmland
>>> crop=rice
>>> farm=flooded_crops
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as
>>> man_made=dyke [1] over highway=path ?
>>>
>>> [0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
>>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke
>>>
>>>
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Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

[Erwin Olario]

It's probably not being used as such but rice are flood crops and the wiki
page for dyke states it as "an embankment built to *restrict the flow of
water or other liquids*" , which in this applies to restricting the water
within the paddies.

Is there a more appropriate tag?



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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be
> appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these rice
> paddy embankments do not do that.
> On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, "Erwin Olario"  wrote:
>
>>
>> First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
>> Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this
>> case,  paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in fact
>> they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.
>>
>> Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
>> showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to show what
>> "Philippine Mapping Convention" is like in real life.
>>
>> I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
>> landuse=farmland
>> crop=rice
>> farm=flooded_crops
>>
>> What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as
>> man_made=dyke [1] over highway=path ?
>>
>> [0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be
appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these rice
paddy embankments do not do that.
On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, "Erwin Olario"  wrote:

>
> First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
> Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.
>
> I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this
> case,  paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in fact
> they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.
>
> Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
> showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to show what
> "Philippine Mapping Convention" is like in real life.
>
> I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
> landuse=farmland
> crop=rice
> farm=flooded_crops
>
> What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as man_made=dyke
> [1] over highway=path ?
>
> [0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke
>
>
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[talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

[Erwin Olario]

First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.

I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this case,
 paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in fact they are
primarily used as embankments, not as paths.

Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to show what
"Philippine Mapping Convention" is like in real life.

I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
landuse=farmland
crop=rice
farm=flooded_crops

What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as man_made=dyke
[1] over highway=path ?

[0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke



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