Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
Hi guys, We have decided that we will be having a separate outdoor recreation Garmin map for the hikers, mountaineers, mountain bikers, climbers, scuba divers, etc. This map will have contour lines for selected mountains as suggested. But unlike the main Garmin map, this will be updated only once a month since outdoor-related map features aren't edited/updated on the map as often as "regular" features like roads and POIs. But for those who want the latest, we will try to provide DIY tools so people can make their own custom Garmin maps. :-) On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:49 AM, tutubi wrote: > +1 here > just returned from trips to Ilocos Sur then Palawan... > the monkey trail to the underground river is surprisingly present is > OSM...nice...but i wasn't able to do it due to the usual lack of time. next > time, i'll stay overnight in Sabang then trek rather than ride the > boat...there's also Ugong rock and a new zipline (PH already becoming > zipline crazy these days) > > --- > I explore, therefore I blog. > > http://www.backpackingphilippines.com > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora wrote: >> >> hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also >> have the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can >> consolidate the two. in maning's page >> (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin) there is already an osm map >> with contour. i havent checked it yet but the note says it is only metro >> manila map and it might get too cluttered. >> maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, and then put contour >> maps for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. im >> not sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way to >> put contour maps (just for certain areas where it can be useful) with street >> maps from osm. >> this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and >> enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed. >> just a suggestion guys :) >> >> -- >> Rem Zamora >> 0916-55-11-407 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
+1 here just returned from trips to Ilocos Sur then Palawan... the monkey trail to the underground river is surprisingly present is OSM...nice...but i wasn't able to do it due to the usual lack of time. next time, i'll stay overnight in Sabang then trek rather than ride the boat...there's also Ugong rock and a new zipline (PH already becoming zipline crazy these days) --- I explore, therefore I blog. http://www.backpackingphilippines.com On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora wrote: > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also have > the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can consolidate > the two. in maning's page (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin) > there is already an osm map with contour. i havent checked it yet but the > note says it is only metro manila map and it might get too cluttered. > > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, and then put contour maps > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. im > not sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way to > put contour maps (just for certain areas where it can be useful) with street > maps from osm. > > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed. > > just a suggestion guys :) > > -- > Rem Zamora > 0916-55-11-407 > > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
Maning, --- On Thu, 17/2/11, maning sambale wrote: > From: maning sambale > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers > To: "Leonard Soriano" > Cc: "Eugene Alvin Villar" , "rem zamora" > , talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > Received: Thursday, 17 February, 2011, 4:28 AM > Bunny, > > We have a few mountain trails already added in OSM. > Most mountain > peaks are also there (coming from GNS so this needs > correction). > Using the default map and contour, I believe this is useful > already > for mountaineers. > > What we need from the mountaineers are: > - more trail/hiking data along with the trail classes > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale) > - location of peaks/viewpoints/trail stops and other > amenities > > I don't know if UPM or other mountaineering groups are > aware of our > project or the osmph garmin maps. We can of course > design a garmin > map for them, all we need are inputs on how they classify > trails. > Perhaps we can have a session with these group to share how > to > contribute in osm and then compile their own maps? > I think given the accessibility of GPS units now compared before, a lot of people in the outdoor community are aware of this technology. We need to find a way to inform the existence of OSM garmin maps and how the outdoor community can contribute. Through e-groups is already an easy way for this. Good idea of having a GPS/trail mapping/workshop/skill share or whatever we call it. I think we could talk to ROX about this. There is a regular discussion of outdoor topics such as first aid, trail running, kayaking, etc that they organize in their store. I think proposing a skill share on GPS for outdoor people and mountaineering groups in collaboration with ROX fits in well. --bunny > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Leonard Soriano > > wrote: > > > > Eugene, > > > > Magandang project yan! This is actually important as > it can be used not only for recreation purposes but even for > search and rescue efforts. > > > > I am thinking, if we could start on a case site like a > national park that is frequently visited by visitors both > seasoned and not seasoned climbers. For example Mt. Pulag > National Park. Given the traffic it gets the whole year, the > benefits of having a gps map of the park complete with trail > and waypoints has a very high potential. For the past > years, I was doing trail survey data with the UP > Mountaineers and we have covered Ambangeg/Ambaguio/Akiki/ > and just recently Tinoc trail. > > > > For those people who might be interested, a DRAFT > result of the trail survey can be downloaded from this > link: > > > > https://www.yousendit.com/download/MzZFblFKbWdoeVpjR0E9PQ > > password: @MtPNP_Draft > > > > The trails are already in OSM and some of the > waypoints. > > > > For the contour data, I do have a digital files based > from NAMRIA 1:50K topo maps and if our mappers would want to > compile this, I can upload it somewhere for downloads. > > > > Napapanahon itong idea na ito. > > > > --bunny > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 16/2/11, rem zamora > wrote: > > > > From: rem zamora > > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor > lovers > > To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" > > Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > Received: Wednesday, 16 February, 2011, 4:18 PM > > > > eugene, > > you got my point exactly! > > been climbing mountains myself recently. last data > uploaded by me in osm was trail to summit in kanlaon via > guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very useful particularly > in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the gps > but i feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps. > > this is also helpful in search and rescue operations > particularly in the mountains where road maps are not that > important. we need topo maps in these mountains plus trail > maps and waypoints. > > i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually > save campsites, water source, rest stops, and other > important points along the trail sucj as landmarks. and of > course the summits. (so when i hike with people who keep on > asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so > and so kilometers away and it will take us about so and so > hours hehe) was able to do this during recent climb to pulag > :) > > anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on > this. :) i dont know if i can learn the process but you can > rely on me for data gathering :) > > rem > > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Vil
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
i'd like to be part of that project maning! currently uploading trail tracks from banaue to pula to mt. amuyao to barlig :) On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:28 PM, maning sambale wrote: > Bunny, > > We have a few mountain trails already added in OSM. Most mountain > peaks are also there (coming from GNS so this needs correction). > Using the default map and contour, I believe this is useful already > for mountaineers. > > What we need from the mountaineers are: > - more trail/hiking data along with the trail classes > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale) > - location of peaks/viewpoints/trail stops and other amenities > > I don't know if UPM or other mountaineering groups are aware of our > project or the osmph garmin maps. We can of course design a garmin > map for them, all we need are inputs on how they classify trails. > Perhaps we can have a session with these group to share how to > contribute in osm and then compile their own maps? > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Leonard Soriano > wrote: > > > > Eugene, > > > > Magandang project yan! This is actually important as it can be used not > only for recreation purposes but even for search and rescue efforts. > > > > I am thinking, if we could start on a case site like a national park that > is frequently visited by visitors both seasoned and not seasoned climbers. > For example Mt. Pulag National Park. Given the traffic it gets the whole > year, the benefits of having a gps map of the park complete with trail and > waypoints has a very high potential. For the past years, I was doing trail > survey data with the UP Mountaineers and we have covered > Ambangeg/Ambaguio/Akiki/ and just recently Tinoc trail. > > > > For those people who might be interested, a DRAFT result of the trail > survey can be downloaded from this link: > > > > https://www.yousendit.com/download/MzZFblFKbWdoeVpjR0E9PQ > > password: @MtPNP_Draft > > > > The trails are already in OSM and some of the waypoints. > > > > For the contour data, I do have a digital files based from NAMRIA 1:50K > topo maps and if our mappers would want to compile this, I can upload it > somewhere for downloads. > > > > Napapanahon itong idea na ito. > > > > --bunny > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 16/2/11, rem zamora wrote: > > > > From: rem zamora > > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers > > To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" > > Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > Received: Wednesday, 16 February, 2011, 4:18 PM > > > > eugene, > > you got my point exactly! > > been climbing mountains myself recently. last data uploaded by me in osm > was trail to summit in kanlaon via guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very > useful particularly in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the > gps but i feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps. > > this is also helpful in search and rescue operations particularly in the > mountains where road maps are not that important. we need topo maps in these > mountains plus trail maps and waypoints. > > i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually save campsites, water > source, rest stops, and other important points along the trail sucj as > landmarks. and of course the summits. (so when i hike with people who keep > on asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so and so > kilometers away and it will take us about so and so hours hehe) was able to > do this during recent climb to pulag :) > > anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on this. :) i dont know if > i can learn the process but you can rely on me for data gathering :) > > rem > > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: > > > > Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The > > Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM > > data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data > > (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth > > from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time). > > > > But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding > > another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for > > selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails > > more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? > > > > Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of > > targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also > > "expand the market" and target also the
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
Bunny, We have a few mountain trails already added in OSM. Most mountain peaks are also there (coming from GNS so this needs correction). Using the default map and contour, I believe this is useful already for mountaineers. What we need from the mountaineers are: - more trail/hiking data along with the trail classes (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale) - location of peaks/viewpoints/trail stops and other amenities I don't know if UPM or other mountaineering groups are aware of our project or the osmph garmin maps. We can of course design a garmin map for them, all we need are inputs on how they classify trails. Perhaps we can have a session with these group to share how to contribute in osm and then compile their own maps? On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Leonard Soriano wrote: > > Eugene, > > Magandang project yan! This is actually important as it can be used not only > for recreation purposes but even for search and rescue efforts. > > I am thinking, if we could start on a case site like a national park that is > frequently visited by visitors both seasoned and not seasoned climbers. For > example Mt. Pulag National Park. Given the traffic it gets the whole year, > the benefits of having a gps map of the park complete with trail and > waypoints has a very high potential. For the past years, I was doing trail > survey data with the UP Mountaineers and we have covered > Ambangeg/Ambaguio/Akiki/ and just recently Tinoc trail. > > For those people who might be interested, a DRAFT result of the trail survey > can be downloaded from this link: > > https://www.yousendit.com/download/MzZFblFKbWdoeVpjR0E9PQ > password: @MtPNP_Draft > > The trails are already in OSM and some of the waypoints. > > For the contour data, I do have a digital files based from NAMRIA 1:50K topo > maps and if our mappers would want to compile this, I can upload it somewhere > for downloads. > > Napapanahon itong idea na ito. > > --bunny > > > > --- On Wed, 16/2/11, rem zamora wrote: > > From: rem zamora > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers > To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" > Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > Received: Wednesday, 16 February, 2011, 4:18 PM > > eugene, > you got my point exactly! > been climbing mountains myself recently. last data uploaded by me in osm was > trail to summit in kanlaon via guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very useful > particularly in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the gps but i > feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps. > this is also helpful in search and rescue operations particularly in the > mountains where road maps are not that important. we need topo maps in these > mountains plus trail maps and waypoints. > i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually save campsites, water > source, rest stops, and other important points along the trail sucj as > landmarks. and of course the summits. (so when i hike with people who keep on > asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so and so kilometers > away and it will take us about so and so hours hehe) was able to do this > during recent climb to pulag :) > anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on this. :) i dont know if i > can learn the process but you can rely on me for data gathering :) > rem > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: > > Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The > Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM > data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data > (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth > from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time). > > But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding > another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for > selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails > more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? > > Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of > targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also > "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering clubs. A Garmin > map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can drive to the > base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking trails and > contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map becomes popular, > then we have another potential source of contributors who can map the > rural and mountainous areas. :-D > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora wrote: > > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also have > > the 10m el
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
Hi guys, Just keep on sending ideas and suggestions. We'll be considering these during tomorrow's Hackday. :-) Eugene On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Leonard Soriano wrote: > > Eugene, > > Magandang project yan! This is actually important as it can be used not only > for recreation purposes but even for search and rescue efforts. > > I am thinking, if we could start on a case site like a national park that is > frequently visited by visitors both seasoned and not seasoned climbers. For > example Mt. Pulag National Park. Given the traffic it gets the whole year, > the benefits of having a gps map of the park complete with trail and > waypoints has a very high potential. For the past years, I was doing trail > survey data with the UP Mountaineers and we have covered > Ambangeg/Ambaguio/Akiki/ and just recently Tinoc trail. > > For those people who might be interested, a DRAFT result of the trail survey > can be downloaded from this link: > > https://www.yousendit.com/download/MzZFblFKbWdoeVpjR0E9PQ > password: @MtPNP_Draft > > The trails are already in OSM and some of the waypoints. > > For the contour data, I do have a digital files based from NAMRIA 1:50K topo > maps and if our mappers would want to compile this, I can upload it somewhere > for downloads. > > Napapanahon itong idea na ito. > > --bunny > > > > --- On Wed, 16/2/11, rem zamora wrote: > > From: rem zamora > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers > To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" > Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > Received: Wednesday, 16 February, 2011, 4:18 PM > > eugene, > you got my point exactly! > been climbing mountains myself recently. last data uploaded by me in osm was > trail to summit in kanlaon via guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very useful > particularly in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the gps but i > feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps. > this is also helpful in search and rescue operations particularly in the > mountains where road maps are not that important. we need topo maps in these > mountains plus trail maps and waypoints. > i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually save campsites, water > source, rest stops, and other important points along the trail sucj as > landmarks. and of course the summits. (so when i hike with people who keep on > asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so and so kilometers > away and it will take us about so and so hours hehe) was able to do this > during recent climb to pulag :) > anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on this. :) i dont know if i > can learn the process but you can rely on me for data gathering :) > rem > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: > > Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The > Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM > data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data > (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth > from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time). > > But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding > another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for > selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails > more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? > > Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of > targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also > "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering clubs. A Garmin > map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can drive to the > base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking trails and > contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map becomes popular, > then we have another potential source of contributors who can map the > rural and mountainous areas. :-D > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora wrote: > > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also have > > the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can consolidate > > the two. in maning's page (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin) > > there is already an osm map with contour. i havent checked it yet but the > > note says it is only metro manila map and it might get too cluttered. > > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, and then put contour maps > > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. im not > > sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way to put > > contour maps (just for certain
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
Eugene, Magandang project yan! This is actually important as it can be used not only for recreation purposes but even for search and rescue efforts. I am thinking, if we could start on a case site like a national park that is frequently visited by visitors both seasoned and not seasoned climbers. For example Mt. Pulag National Park. Given the traffic it gets the whole year, the benefits of having a gps map of the park complete with trail and waypoints has a very high potential. For the past years, I was doing trail survey data with the UP Mountaineers and we have covered Ambangeg/Ambaguio/Akiki/ and just recently Tinoc trail. For those people who might be interested, a DRAFT result of the trail survey can be downloaded from this link: https://www.yousendit.com/download/MzZFblFKbWdoeVpjR0E9PQ password: @MtPNP_Draft The trails are already in OSM and some of the waypoints. For the contour data, I do have a digital files based from NAMRIA 1:50K topo maps and if our mappers would want to compile this, I can upload it somewhere for downloads. Napapanahon itong idea na ito. --bunny --- On Wed, 16/2/11, rem zamora wrote: From: rem zamora Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Received: Wednesday, 16 February, 2011, 4:18 PM eugene, you got my point exactly! been climbing mountains myself recently. last data uploaded by me in osm was trail to summit in kanlaon via guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very useful particularly in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the gps but i feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps. this is also helpful in search and rescue operations particularly in the mountains where road maps are not that important. we need topo maps in these mountains plus trail maps and waypoints. i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually save campsites, water source, rest stops, and other important points along the trail sucj as landmarks. and of course the summits. (so when i hike with people who keep on asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so and so kilometers away and it will take us about so and so hours hehe) was able to do this during recent climb to pulag :) anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on this. :) i dont know if i can learn the process but you can rely on me for data gathering :) rem On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time). But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering clubs. A Garmin map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can drive to the base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking trails and contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map becomes popular, then we have another potential source of contributors who can map the rural and mountainous areas. :-D On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora wrote: > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also have > the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can consolidate > the two. in maning's page (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin) > there is already an osm map with contour. i havent checked it yet but the > note says it is only metro manila map and it might get too cluttered. > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, and then put contour maps > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. im not > sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way to put > contour maps (just for certain areas where it can be useful) with street > maps from osm. > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed. > just a suggestion guys :) > > -- > Rem Zamora > 0916-55-11-407 > > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- Rem Zamora 0916-55-11-407 -Inline Attachment Follows- __
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Yes via mapsource or roadtrip or basecamp. 1. Select the osm-ph map first 2. Toggle maplist option to the contour map and then select which contour tile you need. 3. Send to device. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:54 AM, rem zamora wrote: > maybe one day i'll try compiling maps. hehe. pero ngayon data gatherer muna > ako. upload ko naman parati :) > maning, how can i upload the contour map WITH the osm map? will that be part > of one gmapsupp.img file? > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:49 AM, maning sambale > wrote: >> >> +1 to all the ideas mentioned. Everything is possible, given enough >> resources. Part of the goal of the osmph garmin map is to create >> "easy" to use tools for anyone to compile their own maps (and >> hopefully share them). >> >> The focus right now is to make the default map useful to everyone. I >> encourage you to at least try to compile your own maps and work on the >> customizations. I'd be glad to help you get started. Later on, we >> will try to compile specialized maps (cycling, mountaineering, >> marine/sea). >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:18 AM, rem zamora wrote: >> > eugene, >> > you got my point exactly! >> > been climbing mountains myself recently. last data uploaded by me in osm >> > was >> > trail to summit in kanlaon via guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very >> > useful particularly in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on >> > the >> > gps but i feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps. >> > this is also helpful in search and rescue operations particularly in the >> > mountains where road maps are not that important. we need topo maps in >> > these >> > mountains plus trail maps and waypoints. >> > i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually save campsites, water >> > source, rest stops, and other important points along the trail sucj as >> > landmarks. and of course the summits. (so when i hike with people who >> > keep >> > on asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so and so >> > kilometers away and it will take us about so and so hours hehe) was able >> > to >> > do this during recent climb to pulag :) >> > anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on this. :) i dont know >> > if i >> > can learn the process but you can rely on me for data gathering :) >> > rem >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The >> >> Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM >> >> data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data >> >> (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth >> >> from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time). >> >> >> >> But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding >> >> another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for >> >> selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails >> >> more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? >> >> >> >> Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of >> >> targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also >> >> "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering clubs. A Garmin >> >> map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can drive to the >> >> base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking trails and >> >> contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map becomes popular, >> >> then we have another potential source of contributors who can map the >> >> rural and mountainous areas. :-D >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora >> >> wrote: >> >> > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we >> >> > also >> >> > have >> >> > the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can >> >> > consolidate >> >> > the two. in maning's page >> >> > (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin) >> >> > there is already an osm map with contour. i havent checked it yet but >> >> > the >> >> > note says it is only metro manila map and it might get too cluttered. >> >> > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, and then put >> >> > contour >> >> > maps >> >> > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. >> >> > im >> >> > not >> >> > sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way >> >> > to >> >> > put >> >> > contour maps (just for certain areas where it can be useful) with >> >> > street >> >> > maps from osm. >> >> > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and >> >> > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed. >> >> > just a suggestion guys :) >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Rem Zamora >> >> > 0916-55-11-407 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > talk-ph mailing list >> >> > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >>
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
maybe one day i'll try compiling maps. hehe. pero ngayon data gatherer muna ako. upload ko naman parati :) maning, how can i upload the contour map WITH the osm map? will that be part of one gmapsupp.img file? On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:49 AM, maning sambale wrote: > +1 to all the ideas mentioned. Everything is possible, given enough > resources. Part of the goal of the osmph garmin map is to create > "easy" to use tools for anyone to compile their own maps (and > hopefully share them). > > The focus right now is to make the default map useful to everyone. I > encourage you to at least try to compile your own maps and work on the > customizations. I'd be glad to help you get started. Later on, we > will try to compile specialized maps (cycling, mountaineering, > marine/sea). > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:18 AM, rem zamora wrote: > > eugene, > > you got my point exactly! > > been climbing mountains myself recently. last data uploaded by me in osm > was > > trail to summit in kanlaon via guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very > > useful particularly in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the > > gps but i feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps. > > this is also helpful in search and rescue operations particularly in the > > mountains where road maps are not that important. we need topo maps in > these > > mountains plus trail maps and waypoints. > > i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually save campsites, water > > source, rest stops, and other important points along the trail sucj as > > landmarks. and of course the summits. (so when i hike with people who > keep > > on asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so and so > > kilometers away and it will take us about so and so hours hehe) was able > to > > do this during recent climb to pulag :) > > anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on this. :) i dont know if > i > > can learn the process but you can rely on me for data gathering :) > > rem > > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > > wrote: > >> > >> Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The > >> Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM > >> data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data > >> (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth > >> from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time). > >> > >> But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding > >> another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for > >> selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails > >> more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? > >> > >> Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of > >> targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also > >> "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering clubs. A Garmin > >> map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can drive to the > >> base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking trails and > >> contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map becomes popular, > >> then we have another potential source of contributors who can map the > >> rural and mountainous areas. :-D > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora > wrote: > >> > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also > >> > have > >> > the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can > >> > consolidate > >> > the two. in maning's page > >> > (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin) > >> > there is already an osm map with contour. i havent checked it yet but > >> > the > >> > note says it is only metro manila map and it might get too cluttered. > >> > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, and then put contour > >> > maps > >> > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. > im > >> > not > >> > sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way > to > >> > put > >> > contour maps (just for certain areas where it can be useful) with > street > >> > maps from osm. > >> > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and > >> > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed. > >> > just a suggestion guys :) > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Rem Zamora > >> > 0916-55-11-407 > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > talk-ph mailing list > >> > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Rem Zamora > > 0916-55-11-407 > > > > > > ___ > > talk-ph mailing list > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Brand
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
Rem, On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora wrote: > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed. I don't know if you tried this. The 10 m contour map is divided int 0.75 degree tiles. This means you can actually upload just the tile you need along with the OSM map. You can see both maps combined. This works for me during fieldwork. -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
If we can get a real map going for the hikers i know they will love it. All my climbing friends really like to see where they are going or have been.. Also helps in the Planning, seeing how difficult a track may be.. Regards.. I use Cycle map, but it does not get close enough so you end up on a steep incline which is not detailed on the map.. On Thursday 17 February 2011 12:06:13 am Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The > Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM > data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data > (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth > from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time). > > But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding > another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for > selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails > more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? > > Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of > targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also > "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering clubs. A Garmin > map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can drive to the > base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking trails and > contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map becomes popular, > then we have another potential source of contributors who can map the > rural and mountainous areas. :-D > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora wrote: > > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also > > have the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can > > consolidate the two. in maning's page > > (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin) there is already an osm > > map with contour. i havent checked it yet but the note says it is only > > metro manila map and it might get too cluttered. maybe, we can, put osm > > map for the whole country, and then put contour maps for special > > places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. im not sure how > > this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way to put > > contour maps (just for certain areas where it can be useful) with street > > maps from osm. > > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and > > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed. > > just a suggestion guys :) > > > > -- > > Rem Zamora > > 0916-55-11-407 > > > > > > ___ > > talk-ph mailing list > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
+1 to all the ideas mentioned. Everything is possible, given enough resources. Part of the goal of the osmph garmin map is to create "easy" to use tools for anyone to compile their own maps (and hopefully share them). The focus right now is to make the default map useful to everyone. I encourage you to at least try to compile your own maps and work on the customizations. I'd be glad to help you get started. Later on, we will try to compile specialized maps (cycling, mountaineering, marine/sea). On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:18 AM, rem zamora wrote: > eugene, > you got my point exactly! > been climbing mountains myself recently. last data uploaded by me in osm was > trail to summit in kanlaon via guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very > useful particularly in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the > gps but i feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps. > this is also helpful in search and rescue operations particularly in the > mountains where road maps are not that important. we need topo maps in these > mountains plus trail maps and waypoints. > i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually save campsites, water > source, rest stops, and other important points along the trail sucj as > landmarks. and of course the summits. (so when i hike with people who keep > on asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so and so > kilometers away and it will take us about so and so hours hehe) was able to > do this during recent climb to pulag :) > anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on this. :) i dont know if i > can learn the process but you can rely on me for data gathering :) > rem > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: >> >> Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The >> Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM >> data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data >> (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth >> from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time). >> >> But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding >> another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for >> selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails >> more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? >> >> Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of >> targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also >> "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering clubs. A Garmin >> map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can drive to the >> base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking trails and >> contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map becomes popular, >> then we have another potential source of contributors who can map the >> rural and mountainous areas. :-D >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora wrote: >> > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also >> > have >> > the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can >> > consolidate >> > the two. in maning's page >> > (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin) >> > there is already an osm map with contour. i havent checked it yet but >> > the >> > note says it is only metro manila map and it might get too cluttered. >> > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, and then put contour >> > maps >> > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. im >> > not >> > sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way to >> > put >> > contour maps (just for certain areas where it can be useful) with street >> > maps from osm. >> > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and >> > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed. >> > just a suggestion guys :) >> > >> > -- >> > Rem Zamora >> > 0916-55-11-407 >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > talk-ph mailing list >> > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > > > > -- > Rem Zamora > 0916-55-11-407 > > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
eugene, you got my point exactly! been climbing mountains myself recently. last data uploaded by me in osm was trail to summit in kanlaon via guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very useful particularly in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the gps but i feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps. this is also helpful in search and rescue operations particularly in the mountains where road maps are not that important. we need topo maps in these mountains plus trail maps and waypoints. i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually save campsites, water source, rest stops, and other important points along the trail sucj as landmarks. and of course the summits. (so when i hike with people who keep on asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so and so kilometers away and it will take us about so and so hours hehe) was able to do this during recent climb to pulag :) anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on this. :) i dont know if i can learn the process but you can rely on me for data gathering :) rem On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The > Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM > data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data > (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth > from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time). > > But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding > another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for > selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails > more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? > > Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of > targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also > "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering clubs. A Garmin > map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can drive to the > base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking trails and > contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map becomes popular, > then we have another potential source of contributors who can map the > rural and mountainous areas. :-D > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora wrote: > > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also > have > > the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can > consolidate > > the two. in maning's page (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin > ) > > there is already an osm map with contour. i havent checked it yet but the > > note says it is only metro manila map and it might get too cluttered. > > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, and then put contour > maps > > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. im > not > > sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way to > put > > contour maps (just for certain areas where it can be useful) with street > > maps from osm. > > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and > > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed. > > just a suggestion guys :) > > > > -- > > Rem Zamora > > 0916-55-11-407 > > > > > > ___ > > talk-ph mailing list > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > > > > > -- > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > -- Rem Zamora 0916-55-11-407 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time). But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering clubs. A Garmin map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can drive to the base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking trails and contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map becomes popular, then we have another potential source of contributors who can map the rural and mountainous areas. :-D On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora wrote: > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also have > the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can consolidate > the two. in maning's page (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin) > there is already an osm map with contour. i havent checked it yet but the > note says it is only metro manila map and it might get too cluttered. > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, and then put contour maps > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. im not > sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way to put > contour maps (just for certain areas where it can be useful) with street > maps from osm. > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed. > just a suggestion guys :) > > -- > Rem Zamora > 0916-55-11-407 > > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
