Maning, --- On Thu, 17/2/11, maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers > To: "Leonard Soriano" <banito_pi...@yahoo.com> > Cc: "Eugene Alvin Villar" <sea...@gmail.com>, "rem zamora" > <pompy...@gmail.com>, talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > Received: Thursday, 17 February, 2011, 4:28 AM > Bunny, > > We have a few mountain trails already added in OSM. > Most mountain > peaks are also there (coming from GNS so this needs > correction). > Using the default map and contour, I believe this is useful > already > for mountaineers. > > What we need from the mountaineers are: > - more trail/hiking data along with the trail classes > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale) > - location of peaks/viewpoints/trail stops and other > amenities > > I don't know if UPM or other mountaineering groups are > aware of our > project or the osmph garmin maps. We can of course > design a garmin > map for them, all we need are inputs on how they classify > trails. > Perhaps we can have a session with these group to share how > to > contribute in osm and then compile their own maps? > I think given the accessibility of GPS units now compared before, a lot of people in the outdoor community are aware of this technology. We need to find a way to inform the existence of OSM garmin maps and how the outdoor community can contribute. Through e-groups is already an easy way for this. Good idea of having a GPS/trail mapping/workshop/skill share or whatever we call it. I think we could talk to ROX about this. There is a regular discussion of outdoor topics such as first aid, trail running, kayaking, etc that they organize in their store. I think proposing a skill share on GPS for outdoor people and mountaineering groups in collaboration with ROX fits in well. --bunny > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Leonard Soriano > <banito_pi...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > Eugene, > > > > Magandang project yan! This is actually important as > it can be used not only for recreation purposes but even for > search and rescue efforts. > > > > I am thinking, if we could start on a case site like a > national park that is frequently visited by visitors both > seasoned and not seasoned climbers. For example Mt. Pulag > National Park. Given the traffic it gets the whole year, the > benefits of having a gps map of the park complete with trail > and waypoints has a very high potential. For the past > years, I was doing trail survey data with the UP > Mountaineers and we have covered Ambangeg/Ambaguio/Akiki/ > and just recently Tinoc trail. > > > > For those people who might be interested, a DRAFT > result of the trail survey can be downloaded from this > link: > > > > https://www.yousendit.com/download/MzZFblFKbWdoeVpjR0E9PQ > > password: @MtPNP_Draft > > > > The trails are already in OSM and some of the > waypoints. > > > > For the contour data, I do have a digital files based > from NAMRIA 1:50K topo maps and if our mappers would want to > compile this, I can upload it somewhere for downloads. > > > > Napapanahon itong idea na ito. > > > > --bunny > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 16/2/11, rem zamora <pompy...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > From: rem zamora <pompy...@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor > lovers > > To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" <sea...@gmail.com> > > Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > Received: Wednesday, 16 February, 2011, 4:18 PM > > > > eugene, > > you got my point exactly! > > been climbing mountains myself recently. last data > uploaded by me in osm was trail to summit in kanlaon via > guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very useful particularly > in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the gps > but i feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps. > > this is also helpful in search and rescue operations > particularly in the mountains where road maps are not that > important. we need topo maps in these mountains plus trail > maps and waypoints. > > i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually > save campsites, water source, rest stops, and other > important points along the trail sucj as landmarks. and of > course the summits. (so when i hike with people who keep on > asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so > and so kilometers away and it will take us about so and so > hours hehe) was able to do this during recent climb to pulag > :) > > anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on > this. :) i dont know if i can learn the process but you can > rely on me for data gathering :) > > rem > > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > <sea...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can > actually DIY! The > > Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just > need the raw OSM > > data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), > the contour data > > (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made > using Groundtruth > > from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some > learning time). > > > > But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and > consider adding > > another Garmin map download which has the consolidated > contours for > > selected mountaineering peaks, and make the > hiking/trekking trails > > more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone? > > > > Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! > Instead of > > targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, > we could also > > "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering > clubs. A Garmin > > map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can > drive to the > > base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking > trails and > > contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map > becomes popular, > > then we have another potential source of contributors > who can map the > > rural and mountainous areas. :-D > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora <pompy...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our > osm map. and we also have > > > the 10m elevation contour map of the country. > what if... we can consolidate > > > the two. in maning's page (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin) > > > there is already an osm map with contour. i > havent checked it yet but the > > > note says it is only metro manila map and it > might get too cluttered. > > > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, > and then put contour maps > > > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, > pulag, mayon, et.al. im not > > > sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just > maybe there is a way to put > > > contour maps (just for certain areas where it can > be useful) with street > > > maps from osm. > > > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in > my gpsr and > > > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not > needed. > > > just a suggestion guys :) > > > > > > -- > > > Rem Zamora > > > 0916-55-11-407 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > talk-ph mailing list > > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Rem Zamora > > 0916-55-11-407 > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk-ph mailing list > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk-ph mailing list > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > ------------------------------------------------------ > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph