Re: [Talk-pt] Road numbering in Portugal

2011-01-21 Por tôpico Claudius Henrichs 
So judging from the wiki the portugese OSM project standard for 
reference tagging is now:
"EN 329" with a space. Same goes for "A 23" and "IP 9" all seperated by 
spaces, correct?


Claudius

Am 18.01.2011 14:17, f.dos.san...@free.fr:

Indeed it needed a clarification !

Modificei o wiki primeira parte :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas


Hello,
yes i think i can confirm. Even if in some online maps it appears
diferently, the correct naming should be the "EN" separated from the number.

In several local municipalities and in the Road institute is that the norm.
Sorry for discussing in portuguese :-)
In some cases it seems there are numbers composed with an "-" in the middle
like "EN 8-6". I really don't know why :-)
Anyone can bring a light to this?
Victor

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Claudius Henrichswrote:


  So just to make sure Google and me understood your portugese correctly:

The *correct* tagging for Estradas Nacionais would be:

ref=EN 329

The *incorrect* tagging would be:

ref=EN329 (without space)
ref=N 329
ref=N329
ref=329

Additionally I would remove "Estradas Nacionais" or "EN329" from the
name-tag. Right?

So to take an example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25410709

Currently it's tagged like this:

name: Estrada Nacional 108
ref: N108

and I would change it to just:

ref: EN 108

Thanks again for your replies. Bom mapping :P

Claudius

Am 17.01.2011 23:02, Victor Ferreira:

Viva no Wiki diz explicitamente:
*highway=primary*. Estradas Nacionais (EN, lista

aqui).

E na lista das estradas de Portugal (oficial) tem EN
http://www.estradasdeportugal.pt/index.php/prn/152-complementar-ens
Nos mapas convencionais (em papel) sempre apareceu assim.
Victor

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Francisco DOS SANTOS<
f.dos.san...@free.fr>  wrote:


Ok, thanks for the heads up.
The road numbers listed in the wiki page is correct:
it's IP, IC, EN, ER, etc, as indicated in the page.
Victor


  Só venho de reparar o caso das nacionais !
Devemos codificar ref=EN2 e não ref=N2 ?

Se fora o caso, vou completar o wiki porque a pagina :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas
Não diz nada sobre o ref.
E a pagina :



http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rede_das_principais_estradas_de_Portugal

Uso o N e não EN.

E um ponto que precisa ser esclarecido, cada pais tem o seu sistema (em
frança por exemplo usemos o N e não RN, e temos um espaço entre a letra
e o numero : N 2).


On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Claudius Henrichs
  wrote:
 Bom dia!

 sorry for posting in English, but I feel this to be a relevant
 information and question.
 Some of you actively mapping in Portugal may have seen altely
 some increased activity from some german mappers. This is
 because a user who is active in quality assurance has run a
 "connection check" over the portugese OSM data. This check
 searches for roads that are crossing without bridge or tunnel.
 There is a list with those errors on the wiki [1] and every
 user can take a block of 100 errors, leave a note in the wiki
 that he is dealing with them and try to fix these. Fixing the
 errors is much easier now with the help of Bing imagery.

 I feel that it would have definitely been nicer to have
 informed the portugese OSM community *before* starting this
 campaign, but better late than never.

 Now to my personal question on mapping in Portugal: I have
 read a bit about the road network and number in Portugal on
 the english wikipedia [2]. I see that you have some new road
 numbers starting with "IP" and "IC" that were assigned in the
 2000 Plano Rodoviário Nacional. And then you have the older
 estradas nacionais given out in the 1945 Plano Rodoviário
 Nacional. I already checked the OSM wiki project page for
 Portugal [3] but could not find any recommendation about how
 to tag these. Shall I use "EN329" or "N329"? Same goes for the
 estradas regionais: Should we use "ER32" or "R32"? Thanks in
 advance for your help.

 Regards,
 Claudius


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Re: [Talk-pt] Road numbering in Portugal

2011-01-18 Por tôpico f . dos . santos 
Indeed it needed a clarification !

Modificei o wiki primeira parte :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas

> Hello,
> yes i think i can confirm. Even if in some online maps it appears
> diferently, the correct naming should be the "EN" separated from the number.
>
> In several local municipalities and in the Road institute is that the norm.
> Sorry for discussing in portuguese :-)
> In some cases it seems there are numbers composed with an "-" in the middle
> like "EN 8-6". I really don't know why :-)
> Anyone can bring a light to this?
> Victor
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Claudius Henrichs wrote:
>
> >  So just to make sure Google and me understood your portugese correctly:
> >
> > The *correct* tagging for Estradas Nacionais would be:
> >
> > ref=EN 329
> >
> > The *incorrect* tagging would be:
> >
> > ref=EN329 (without space)
> > ref=N 329
> > ref=N329
> > ref=329
> >
> > Additionally I would remove "Estradas Nacionais" or "EN329" from the
> > name-tag. Right?
> >
> > So to take an example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25410709
> >
> > Currently it's tagged like this:
> >
> > name: Estrada Nacional 108
> > ref: N108
> >
> > and I would change it to just:
> >
> > ref: EN 108
> >
> > Thanks again for your replies. Bom mapping :P
> >
> > Claudius
> >
> > Am 17.01.2011 23:02, Victor Ferreira:
> >
> > Viva no Wiki diz explicitamente:
> > *highway=primary*. Estradas Nacionais (EN, lista
> aqui).
> >
> > E na lista das estradas de Portugal (oficial) tem EN
> > http://www.estradasdeportugal.pt/index.php/prn/152-complementar-ens
> > Nos mapas convencionais (em papel) sempre apareceu assim.
> > Victor
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Francisco DOS SANTOS <
> > f.dos.san...@free.fr> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> > Ok, thanks for the heads up.
> >> > The road numbers listed in the wiki page is correct:
> >> > it's IP, IC, EN, ER, etc, as indicated in the page.
> >> > Victor
> >> >
> >>  Só venho de reparar o caso das nacionais !
> >> Devemos codificar ref=EN2 e não ref=N2 ?
> >>
> >> Se fora o caso, vou completar o wiki porque a pagina :
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas
> >> Não diz nada sobre o ref.
> >> E a pagina :
> >>
> >>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rede_das_principais_estradas_de_Portugal
> >> Uso o N e não EN.
> >>
> >> E um ponto que precisa ser esclarecido, cada pais tem o seu sistema (em
> >> frança por exemplo usemos o N e não RN, e temos um espaço entre a letra
> >> e o numero : N 2).
> >>
> >> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Claudius Henrichs
> >> >  wrote:
> >> > Bom dia!
> >> >
> >> > sorry for posting in English, but I feel this to be a relevant
> >> > information and question.
> >> > Some of you actively mapping in Portugal may have seen altely
> >> > some increased activity from some german mappers. This is
> >> > because a user who is active in quality assurance has run a
> >> > "connection check" over the portugese OSM data. This check
> >> > searches for roads that are crossing without bridge or tunnel.
> >> > There is a list with those errors on the wiki [1] and every
> >> > user can take a block of 100 errors, leave a note in the wiki
> >> > that he is dealing with them and try to fix these. Fixing the
> >> > errors is much easier now with the help of Bing imagery.
> >> >
> >> > I feel that it would have definitely been nicer to have
> >> > informed the portugese OSM community *before* starting this
> >> > campaign, but better late than never.
> >> >
> >> > Now to my personal question on mapping in Portugal: I have
> >> > read a bit about the road network and number in Portugal on
> >> > the english wikipedia [2]. I see that you have some new road
> >> > numbers starting with "IP" and "IC" that were assigned in the
> >> > 2000 Plano Rodoviário Nacional. And then you have the older
> >> > estradas nacionais given out in the 1945 Plano Rodoviário
> >> > Nacional. I already checked the OSM wiki project page for
> >> > Portugal [3] but could not find any recommendation about how
> >> > to tag these. Shall I use "EN329" or "N329"? Same goes for the
> >> > estradas regionais: Should we use "ER32" or "R32"? Thanks in
> >> > advance for your help.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Claudius
> >>
> >
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Re: [Talk-pt] Road numbering in Portugal

2011-01-18 Por tôpico Victor Ferreira 
Hello,
yes i think i can confirm. Even if in some online maps it appears
diferently, the correct naming should be the "EN" separated from the number.

In several local municipalities and in the Road institute is that the norm.
Sorry for discussing in portuguese :-)
In some cases it seems there are numbers composed with an "-" in the middle
like "EN 8-6". I really don't know why :-)
Anyone can bring a light to this?
Victor

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Claudius Henrichs wrote:

>  So just to make sure Google and me understood your portugese correctly:
>
> The *correct* tagging for Estradas Nacionais would be:
>
> ref=EN 329
>
> The *incorrect* tagging would be:
>
> ref=EN329 (without space)
> ref=N 329
> ref=N329
> ref=329
>
> Additionally I would remove "Estradas Nacionais" or "EN329" from the
> name-tag. Right?
>
> So to take an example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25410709
>
> Currently it's tagged like this:
>
> name: Estrada Nacional 108
> ref: N108
>
> and I would change it to just:
>
> ref: EN 108
>
> Thanks again for your replies. Bom mapping :P
>
> Claudius
>
> Am 17.01.2011 23:02, Victor Ferreira:
>
> Viva no Wiki diz explicitamente:
> *highway=primary*. Estradas Nacionais (EN, lista 
> aqui).
>
> E na lista das estradas de Portugal (oficial) tem EN
> http://www.estradasdeportugal.pt/index.php/prn/152-complementar-ens
> Nos mapas convencionais (em papel) sempre apareceu assim.
> Victor
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Francisco DOS SANTOS <
> f.dos.san...@free.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>> > Ok, thanks for the heads up.
>> > The road numbers listed in the wiki page is correct:
>> > it's IP, IC, EN, ER, etc, as indicated in the page.
>> > Victor
>> >
>>  Só venho de reparar o caso das nacionais !
>> Devemos codificar ref=EN2 e não ref=N2 ?
>>
>> Se fora o caso, vou completar o wiki porque a pagina :
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas
>> Não diz nada sobre o ref.
>> E a pagina :
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rede_das_principais_estradas_de_Portugal
>> Uso o N e não EN.
>>
>> E um ponto que precisa ser esclarecido, cada pais tem o seu sistema (em
>> frança por exemplo usemos o N e não RN, e temos um espaço entre a letra
>> e o numero : N 2).
>>
>> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Claudius Henrichs
>> >  wrote:
>> > Bom dia!
>> >
>> > sorry for posting in English, but I feel this to be a relevant
>> > information and question.
>> > Some of you actively mapping in Portugal may have seen altely
>> > some increased activity from some german mappers. This is
>> > because a user who is active in quality assurance has run a
>> > "connection check" over the portugese OSM data. This check
>> > searches for roads that are crossing without bridge or tunnel.
>> > There is a list with those errors on the wiki [1] and every
>> > user can take a block of 100 errors, leave a note in the wiki
>> > that he is dealing with them and try to fix these. Fixing the
>> > errors is much easier now with the help of Bing imagery.
>> >
>> > I feel that it would have definitely been nicer to have
>> > informed the portugese OSM community *before* starting this
>> > campaign, but better late than never.
>> >
>> > Now to my personal question on mapping in Portugal: I have
>> > read a bit about the road network and number in Portugal on
>> > the english wikipedia [2]. I see that you have some new road
>> > numbers starting with "IP" and "IC" that were assigned in the
>> > 2000 Plano Rodoviário Nacional. And then you have the older
>> > estradas nacionais given out in the 1945 Plano Rodoviário
>> > Nacional. I already checked the OSM wiki project page for
>> > Portugal [3] but could not find any recommendation about how
>> > to tag these. Shall I use "EN329" or "N329"? Same goes for the
>> > estradas regionais: Should we use "ER32" or "R32"? Thanks in
>> > advance for your help.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Claudius
>>
>
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Re: [Talk-pt] Road numbering in Portugal

2011-01-18 Por tôpico Claudius Henrichs 
I just did some quick Google research. The pictures shown on this page: 
http://www.cbrd.co.uk/international/portugal/
indicate that the road signage for "Estradas nacionais" is always 
starting with just "N" and not "EN". Based on the prevailing rule "tag 
what you can see on the ground" wouldn't it be better to tag them just 
"N329"? Besides it would result in shorter signs on the map ;)


Currently the tagging in Portugal seems to be 50% with "EN" and 50% with 
"N".


And while we are at it:
Do you have a tagging scheme already for the relation which group each 
way that forms a complete auto-estrada/estrada nacionais? Like we do 
have in Germany for Autobahns: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/21451
In Portugal we would need a network, like "pt:national". The operator 
for most bigger roads would probably be Brisa.
See more details here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Road_Routes


Claudius

Am 18.01.2011 11:41, f.dos.san...@free.fr:

If everybody agree I think the correct tagging is :
ref=A1 (for motorway)
ref=IP5 (for "itinerario principal")
ref=IC31 (for "itinerario complementario")
ref=EN329 (for "estradas nacionais")
etc...

The example :
ref=N2 *incorrect* (need to start with EN)
ref=EN 329 *incorrect* (no space needed)

I will correct the Portuguese wiki, the first paragraph describing the ref tag
need clarification (describing the format).



So just to make sure Google and me understood your portugese correctly:

The *correct* tagging for Estradas Nacionais would be:

ref=EN 329

The *incorrect* tagging would be:

ref=EN329 (without space)
ref=N 329
ref=N329
ref=329

Additionally I would remove "Estradas Nacionais" or "EN329" from the
name-tag. Right?

So to take an example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25410709

Currently it's tagged like this:

name: Estrada Nacional 108
ref: N108

and I would change it to just:

ref: EN 108

Thanks again for your replies. Bom mapping :P

Claudius

Am 17.01.2011 23:02, Victor Ferreira:

Viva no Wiki diz explicitamente:
/highway=primary/. Estradas Nacionais (EN, lista aqui
).
E na lista das estradas de Portugal (oficial) tem EN
http://www.estradasdeportugal.pt/index.php/prn/152-complementar-ens
Nos mapas convencionais (em papel) sempre apareceu assim.
Victor

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Francisco DOS SANTOS
mailto:f.dos.san...@free.fr>>  wrote:


 >  Ok, thanks for the heads up.
 >  The road numbers listed in the wiki page is correct:
 >  it's IP, IC, EN, ER, etc, as indicated in the page.
 >  Victor
 >
 Só venho de reparar o caso das nacionais !
 Devemos codificar ref=EN2 e não ref=N2 ?

 Se fora o caso, vou completar o wiki porque a pagina :
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas
 Não diz nada sobre o ref.
 E a pagina :


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rede_das_principais_estradas_de_Portugal

 Uso o N e não EN.

 E um ponto que precisa ser esclarecido, cada pais tem o seu
 sistema (em
 frança por exemplo usemos o N e não RN, e temos um espaço entre a
 letra
 e o numero : N 2).

 >  On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Claudius Henrichs
 >  mailto:claudiu...@gmx.de>>  wrote:
 >  Bom dia!
 >
 >  sorry for posting in English, but I feel this to be a
 relevant
 >  information and question.
 >  Some of you actively mapping in Portugal may have seen
 altely
 >  some increased activity from some german mappers. This is
 >  because a user who is active in quality assurance has run a
 >  "connection check" over the portugese OSM data. This check
 >  searches for roads that are crossing without bridge or
 tunnel.
 >  There is a list with those errors on the wiki [1] and every
 >  user can take a block of 100 errors, leave a note in the
 wiki
 >  that he is dealing with them and try to fix these.
 Fixing the
 >  errors is much easier now with the help of Bing imagery.
 >
 >  I feel that it would have definitely been nicer to have
 >  informed the portugese OSM community *before* starting this
 >  campaign, but better late than never.
 >
 >  Now to my personal question on mapping in Portugal: I have
 >  read a bit about the road network and number in Portugal on
 >  the english wikipedia [2]. I see that you have some new road
 >  numbers starting with "IP" and "IC" that were assigned
 in the
 >  2000 Plano Rodoviário Nacional. And then you have the older
 >  estradas nacionais given out in the 1945 Plano Rodoviário
 >  Nacional. I already checked the OSM wiki project page for
 >  Portugal [3] but could not find any recommendation about how
 >  to tag the

Re: [Talk-pt] Road numbering in Portugal

2011-01-18 Por tôpico f . dos . santos 
If everybody agree I think the correct tagging is :
ref=A1 (for motorway)
ref=IP5 (for "itinerario principal")
ref=IC31 (for "itinerario complementario")
ref=EN329 (for "estradas nacionais")
etc...

The example :
ref=N2 *incorrect* (need to start with EN)
ref=EN 329 *incorrect* (no space needed)

I will correct the Portuguese wiki, the first paragraph describing the ref tag
need clarification (describing the format).


> So just to make sure Google and me understood your portugese correctly:
>
> The *correct* tagging for Estradas Nacionais would be:
>
> ref=EN 329
>
> The *incorrect* tagging would be:
>
> ref=EN329 (without space)
> ref=N 329
> ref=N329
> ref=329
>
> Additionally I would remove "Estradas Nacionais" or "EN329" from the
> name-tag. Right?
>
> So to take an example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25410709
>
> Currently it's tagged like this:
>
> name: Estrada Nacional 108
> ref: N108
>
> and I would change it to just:
>
> ref: EN 108
>
> Thanks again for your replies. Bom mapping :P
>
> Claudius
>
> Am 17.01.2011 23:02, Victor Ferreira:
> > Viva no Wiki diz explicitamente:
> > /highway=primary/. Estradas Nacionais (EN, lista aqui
> > ).
> > E na lista das estradas de Portugal (oficial) tem EN
> > http://www.estradasdeportugal.pt/index.php/prn/152-complementar-ens
> > Nos mapas convencionais (em papel) sempre apareceu assim.
> > Victor
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Francisco DOS SANTOS
> > mailto:f.dos.san...@free.fr>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Ok, thanks for the heads up.
> > > The road numbers listed in the wiki page is correct:
> > > it's IP, IC, EN, ER, etc, as indicated in the page.
> > > Victor
> > >
> > Só venho de reparar o caso das nacionais !
> > Devemos codificar ref=EN2 e não ref=N2 ?
> >
> > Se fora o caso, vou completar o wiki porque a pagina :
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas
> > Não diz nada sobre o ref.
> > E a pagina :
> >
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rede_das_principais_estradas_de_Portugal
> > Uso o N e não EN.
> >
> > E um ponto que precisa ser esclarecido, cada pais tem o seu
> > sistema (em
> > frança por exemplo usemos o N e não RN, e temos um espaço entre a
> > letra
> > e o numero : N 2).
> >
> > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Claudius Henrichs
> > > mailto:claudiu...@gmx.de>> wrote:
> > > Bom dia!
> > >
> > > sorry for posting in English, but I feel this to be a
> > relevant
> > > information and question.
> > > Some of you actively mapping in Portugal may have seen
> > altely
> > > some increased activity from some german mappers. This is
> > > because a user who is active in quality assurance has run a
> > > "connection check" over the portugese OSM data. This check
> > > searches for roads that are crossing without bridge or
> > tunnel.
> > > There is a list with those errors on the wiki [1] and every
> > > user can take a block of 100 errors, leave a note in the
> > wiki
> > > that he is dealing with them and try to fix these.
> > Fixing the
> > > errors is much easier now with the help of Bing imagery.
> > >
> > > I feel that it would have definitely been nicer to have
> > > informed the portugese OSM community *before* starting this
> > > campaign, but better late than never.
> > >
> > > Now to my personal question on mapping in Portugal: I have
> > > read a bit about the road network and number in Portugal on
> > > the english wikipedia [2]. I see that you have some new road
> > > numbers starting with "IP" and "IC" that were assigned
> > in the
> > > 2000 Plano Rodoviário Nacional. And then you have the older
> > > estradas nacionais given out in the 1945 Plano Rodoviário
> > > Nacional. I already checked the OSM wiki project page for
> > > Portugal [3] but could not find any recommendation about how
> > > to tag these. Shall I use "EN329" or "N329"? Same goes
> > for the
> > > estradas regionais: Should we use "ER32" or "R32"? Thanks in
> > > advance for your help.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Claudius
> >
>
>



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Re: [Talk-pt] Road numbering in Portugal

2011-01-18 Por tôpico Claudius Henrichs 

So just to make sure Google and me understood your portugese correctly:

The *correct* tagging for Estradas Nacionais would be:

ref=EN 329

The *incorrect* tagging would be:

ref=EN329 (without space)
ref=N 329
ref=N329
ref=329

Additionally I would remove "Estradas Nacionais" or "EN329" from the 
name-tag. Right?


So to take an example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25410709

Currently it's tagged like this:

name: Estrada Nacional 108
ref: N108

and I would change it to just:

ref: EN 108

Thanks again for your replies. Bom mapping :P

Claudius

Am 17.01.2011 23:02, Victor Ferreira:

Viva no Wiki diz explicitamente:
/highway=primary/. Estradas Nacionais (EN, lista aqui 
).

E na lista das estradas de Portugal (oficial) tem EN
http://www.estradasdeportugal.pt/index.php/prn/152-complementar-ens
Nos mapas convencionais (em papel) sempre apareceu assim.
Victor

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Francisco DOS SANTOS 
mailto:f.dos.san...@free.fr>> wrote:



> Ok, thanks for the heads up.
> The road numbers listed in the wiki page is correct:
> it's IP, IC, EN, ER, etc, as indicated in the page.
> Victor
>
Só venho de reparar o caso das nacionais !
Devemos codificar ref=EN2 e não ref=N2 ?

Se fora o caso, vou completar o wiki porque a pagina :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas
Não diz nada sobre o ref.
E a pagina :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rede_das_principais_estradas_de_Portugal
Uso o N e não EN.

E um ponto que precisa ser esclarecido, cada pais tem o seu
sistema (em
frança por exemplo usemos o N e não RN, e temos um espaço entre a
letra
e o numero : N 2).

> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Claudius Henrichs
> mailto:claudiu...@gmx.de>> wrote:
> Bom dia!
>
> sorry for posting in English, but I feel this to be a
relevant
> information and question.
> Some of you actively mapping in Portugal may have seen
altely
> some increased activity from some german mappers. This is
> because a user who is active in quality assurance has run a
> "connection check" over the portugese OSM data. This check
> searches for roads that are crossing without bridge or
tunnel.
> There is a list with those errors on the wiki [1] and every
> user can take a block of 100 errors, leave a note in the
wiki
> that he is dealing with them and try to fix these.
Fixing the
> errors is much easier now with the help of Bing imagery.
>
> I feel that it would have definitely been nicer to have
> informed the portugese OSM community *before* starting this
> campaign, but better late than never.
>
> Now to my personal question on mapping in Portugal: I have
> read a bit about the road network and number in Portugal on
> the english wikipedia [2]. I see that you have some new road
> numbers starting with "IP" and "IC" that were assigned
in the
> 2000 Plano Rodoviário Nacional. And then you have the older
> estradas nacionais given out in the 1945 Plano Rodoviário
> Nacional. I already checked the OSM wiki project page for
> Portugal [3] but could not find any recommendation about how
> to tag these. Shall I use "EN329" or "N329"? Same goes
for the
> estradas regionais: Should we use "ER32" or "R32"? Thanks in
> advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
> Claudius



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Re: [Talk-pt] Road numbering in Portugal

2011-01-17 Por tôpico Victor Ferreira 
Viva no Wiki diz explicitamente:
*highway=primary*. Estradas Nacionais (EN, lista
aqui).

E na lista das estradas de Portugal (oficial) tem EN
http://www.estradasdeportugal.pt/index.php/prn/152-complementar-ens
Nos mapas convencionais (em papel) sempre apareceu assim.
Victor

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Francisco DOS SANTOS
wrote:

>
> > Ok, thanks for the heads up.
> > The road numbers listed in the wiki page is correct:
> > it's IP, IC, EN, ER, etc, as indicated in the page.
> > Victor
> >
> Só venho de reparar o caso das nacionais !
> Devemos codificar ref=EN2 e não ref=N2 ?
>
> Se fora o caso, vou completar o wiki porque a pagina :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas
> Não diz nada sobre o ref.
> E a pagina :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rede_das_principais_estradas_de_Portugal
> Uso o N e não EN.
>
> E um ponto que precisa ser esclarecido, cada pais tem o seu sistema (em
> frança por exemplo usemos o N e não RN, e temos um espaço entre a letra
> e o numero : N 2).
>
> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Claudius Henrichs
> >  wrote:
> > Bom dia!
> >
> > sorry for posting in English, but I feel this to be a relevant
> > information and question.
> > Some of you actively mapping in Portugal may have seen altely
> > some increased activity from some german mappers. This is
> > because a user who is active in quality assurance has run a
> > "connection check" over the portugese OSM data. This check
> > searches for roads that are crossing without bridge or tunnel.
> > There is a list with those errors on the wiki [1] and every
> > user can take a block of 100 errors, leave a note in the wiki
> > that he is dealing with them and try to fix these. Fixing the
> > errors is much easier now with the help of Bing imagery.
> >
> > I feel that it would have definitely been nicer to have
> > informed the portugese OSM community *before* starting this
> > campaign, but better late than never.
> >
> > Now to my personal question on mapping in Portugal: I have
> > read a bit about the road network and number in Portugal on
> > the english wikipedia [2]. I see that you have some new road
> > numbers starting with "IP" and "IC" that were assigned in the
> > 2000 Plano Rodoviário Nacional. And then you have the older
> > estradas nacionais given out in the 1945 Plano Rodoviário
> > Nacional. I already checked the OSM wiki project page for
> > Portugal [3] but could not find any recommendation about how
> > to tag these. Shall I use "EN329" or "N329"? Same goes for the
> > estradas regionais: Should we use "ER32" or "R32"? Thanks in
> > advance for your help.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Claudius
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aktionen/Aktion_12
> > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Portugal
> > [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portugal
> >
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Re: [Talk-pt] Road numbering in Portugal

2011-01-17 Por tôpico Francisco DOS SANTOS 

> Ok, thanks for the heads up.
> The road numbers listed in the wiki page is correct:
> it's IP, IC, EN, ER, etc, as indicated in the page.
> Victor
> 
Só venho de reparar o caso das nacionais !
Devemos codificar ref=EN2 e não ref=N2 ?

Se fora o caso, vou completar o wiki porque a pagina :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas
Não diz nada sobre o ref.
E a pagina :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rede_das_principais_estradas_de_Portugal
Uso o N e não EN.

E um ponto que precisa ser esclarecido, cada pais tem o seu sistema (em
frança por exemplo usemos o N e não RN, e temos um espaço entre a letra
e o numero : N 2).

> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Claudius Henrichs
>  wrote:
> Bom dia!
> 
> sorry for posting in English, but I feel this to be a relevant
> information and question.
> Some of you actively mapping in Portugal may have seen altely
> some increased activity from some german mappers. This is
> because a user who is active in quality assurance has run a
> "connection check" over the portugese OSM data. This check
> searches for roads that are crossing without bridge or tunnel.
> There is a list with those errors on the wiki [1] and every
> user can take a block of 100 errors, leave a note in the wiki
> that he is dealing with them and try to fix these. Fixing the
> errors is much easier now with the help of Bing imagery.
> 
> I feel that it would have definitely been nicer to have
> informed the portugese OSM community *before* starting this
> campaign, but better late than never.
> 
> Now to my personal question on mapping in Portugal: I have
> read a bit about the road network and number in Portugal on
> the english wikipedia [2]. I see that you have some new road
> numbers starting with "IP" and "IC" that were assigned in the
> 2000 Plano Rodoviário Nacional. And then you have the older
> estradas nacionais given out in the 1945 Plano Rodoviário
> Nacional. I already checked the OSM wiki project page for
> Portugal [3] but could not find any recommendation about how
> to tag these. Shall I use "EN329" or "N329"? Same goes for the
> estradas regionais: Should we use "ER32" or "R32"? Thanks in
> advance for your help.
> 
> Regards,
> Claudius
> 
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aktionen/Aktion_12
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Portugal
> [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portugal
> 
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Re: [Talk-pt] Road numbering in Portugal

2011-01-17 Por tôpico Victor Ferreira 
Ok, thanks for the heads up.
The road numbers listed in the wiki page is correct:
it's IP, IC, EN, ER, etc, as indicated in the page.
Victor

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Claudius Henrichs wrote:

>  Bom dia!
>
> sorry for posting in English, but I feel this to be a relevant information
> and question.
> Some of you actively mapping in Portugal may have seen altely some
> increased activity from some german mappers. This is because a user who is
> active in quality assurance has run a "connection check" over the portugese
> OSM data. This check searches for roads that are crossing without bridge or
> tunnel. There is a list with those errors on the wiki [1] and every user can
> take a block of 100 errors, leave a note in the wiki that he is dealing with
> them and try to fix these. Fixing the errors is much easier now with the
> help of Bing imagery.
>
> I feel that it would have definitely been nicer to have informed the
> portugese OSM community *before* starting this campaign, but better late
> than never.
>
> Now to my personal question on mapping in Portugal: I have read a bit about
> the road network and number in Portugal on the english wikipedia [2]. I see
> that you have some new road numbers starting with "IP" and "IC" that were
> assigned in the 2000 Plano Rodoviário Nacional. And then you have the older
> estradas nacionais given out in the 1945 Plano Rodoviário Nacional. I
> already checked the OSM wiki project page for Portugal [3] but could not
> find any recommendation about how to tag these. Shall I use "EN329" or
> "N329"? Same goes for the estradas regionais: Should we use "ER32" or "R32"?
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
> Claudius
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aktionen/Aktion_12
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Portugal
> [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portugal
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