Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)
On 9/14/2011 10:50 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: And the sweep of Victory makes it not a useful shortcut to anywhere. I assume you mean Vista? Anyway, it could be used as a shortcut, but not much shorter than CR 535: http://g.co/maps/6uzx9 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On 9/14/2011 10:50 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: And the sweep of Victory makes it not a useful shortcut to anywhere. I assume you mean Vista? Anyway, it could be used as a shortcut, but not much shorter than CR 535: http://g.co/maps/6uzx9 Right, from almost everywhere to almost everywhere, 535 would be better than Vista. As long as the marked cast-member-only section of World Blvd is access=private, routing should avoid it. I took a wrong turn and wound up on Backstage Drive once, had to turn around at the CM-only gate. I wanted the next *thru* right, not *next* right, and was overzoomed on GPS so non-thru-road still looked like a turn. :-) As I understand it, the guest-access roads should be access=destination, and cast-member parking roads access=private. -- Bill @n1vux bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)
On 9/15/2011 8:25 AM, Bill Ricker wrote: Right, from almost everywhere to almost everywhere, 535 would be better than Vista. As long as the marked cast-member-only section of World Blvd is access=private, routing should avoid it. Is this still marked cast only? I haven't been on World Drive there in years, but I do know that as of last weekend the entrance from Reams is marked the same as Vista (allowing guests). It may be a de facto one-way restriction, like Vista east of Live Oak (marked service and authorized vehicles only, only in the eastbound direction) and Sherberth (marked as private property - guests etc. allowed northbound at the county line but with no such signage southbound). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: So this could be access=destination , which should allow routing at ends but not for thru traffic. Well, that's not at all what the sign says. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)
On 9/15/2011 9:50 AM, Anthony wrote: The sign does not say you may use the road so long as you need it to get to your destination (access=destination). That would preclude cast members as using it as a cut-through alternative to World Drive. And it would permit its use by solicitors, non-customers trying to avoid parking fees, and Michael Moore. It doesn't say that you may use the road long as you are not uninvited (access=permissive). That would allow all those same things as access=destination and more.It says Walt Disney World Resort Guest, Cast, and Business Invitees Only. That's access=private, or (kinda sorta) access=customers. It's a proper superset of customers (Disney calls its customers guests). So access=customers is true but incomplete. But that's an interesting point about cast members (AKA employees) being allowed to use it even when their destination is not Disney. There may however be something in their employment contract that prohibits them from doing this. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
I'm having trouble finding any information about the elections for the OSM US chapter, though people have already started to add nominees: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States#Elections_for_2011-2012_Board When is the election? bylaws say At the first organizational meeting, whenever that happened or will happen What are the procedures for voting? What is the expected or desired commitment from board members? Can current board members run again? I have many other questions unrelated to the election like: Where are the minutes (or summary if minutes aren't approved) from the 21 April, 2011 meeting? Where are the financial reports? What assets does the Chapter have? e.g cash, investments, servers and other hardware Who administers the server resources? (Ian and ?) Will administration of the servers change after the election? What are Chapter servers being utilized for now? What are the ongoing operations and maintenance costs for the servers? What projects are going on now or will be started after the election, and what are the financial commitments? How many members are there? Has the Technical, Education Student Outreach or US Tagging working groups ever met? I feel like there must be some mailing list or Google Group that I don't know about for me to be missing this much information. -Josh ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding any information about the elections for the OSM US chapter, The 2010 election was held in August, by email. So it's probably a bit late this year. Minutes from meetings since March, if any, are missing from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Call_Minutes ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
There has been some informal talk about when the elections are coming up. I think with SOTM this year, things have been more focused on that than the elections. I'm not a member of the board, although I am running this time around, but this is my understanding of the questions: - Where are the financial reports? - The secretary most likely has these, if they are published, I'm not sure how current they are - What assets does the Chapter have? e.g cash, investments, servers and other hardware - The cash number would probably be in the financial report, there are servers and some schwag - Who administers the server resources? (Ian and ?) - I believe that Ian is doing at least 90% of this - Will administration of the servers change after the election? - I think Ian is pretty set on doing this, but if he isn't on the new board, we may want to have him bring someone else up to speed - What are Chapter servers being utilized for now? - This is a very good question, I think it's mostly imports and bots, but I really don't know - What are the ongoing operations and maintenance costs for the servers? - These are pretty minimal right now, this should also be answered in the financial report - What projects are going on now or will be started after the election, - There are a number of subgroups that are all linked from the OSM US Chapter page on the wiki - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States - and what are the financial commitments? - I'm not sure on this, it would be on the financial reports as well - How many members are there? - I believe it to be 25ish - Has the Technical, Education Student Outreach or US Tagging working groups ever met? - The groups as a whole haven't, but each board member is responsible for one or more groups, and the board members voice the group concerns I hope my view of these situations at least gets some people talking on this subject. I don't know if my answers are 100% right, but it should be enough to get the ball rolling on these issues. -- Jim McAndrew @JimmyRocks On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding any information about the elections for the OSM US chapter, The 2010 election was held in August, by email. So it's probably a bit late this year. Minutes from meetings since March, if any, are missing from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Call_Minutes ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
On 9/15/2011 11:56 AM, Jim McAndrew wrote: There has been some informal talk about when the elections are coming up. I think with SOTM this year, things have been more focused on that than the elections. SOTM was largely organised by OSMF and the working group with some funds channeled through the US. With the greatest respect to those involved, I think it's better to just put the issue on the table that HOT took everyones time and not a lot of progress has been made with OSMFUS. That was great for HOT, as you can see, but OSMFUS needs people on the next board with the time to make the progress it needs, if for no other reason than showing those upstairs in Canada what we can do ;-) Steve I'm not a member of the board, although I am running this time around, but this is my understanding of the questions: * Where are the financial reports? o The secretary most likely has these, if they are published, I'm not sure how current they are * What assets does the Chapter have? e.g cash, investments, servers and other hardware o The cash number would probably be in the financial report, there are servers and some schwag * Who administers the server resources? (Ian and ?) o I believe that Ian is doing at least 90% of this * Will administration of the servers change after the election? o I think Ian is pretty set on doing this, but if he isn't on the new board, we may want to have him bring someone else up to speed * What are Chapter servers being utilized for now? o This is a very good question, I think it's mostly imports and bots, but I really don't know * What are the ongoing operations and maintenance costs for the servers? o These are pretty minimal right now, this should also be answered in the financial report * What projects are going on now or will be started after the election, o There are a number of subgroups that are all linked from the OSM US Chapter page on the wiki + http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States * and what are the financial commitments? o I'm not sure on this, it would be on the financial reports as well * How many members are there? o I believe it to be 25ish * Has the Technical, Education Student Outreach or US Tagging working groups ever met? o The groups as a whole haven't, but each board member is responsible for one or more groups, and the board members voice the group concerns I hope my view of these situations at least gets some people talking on this subject. I don't know if my answers are 100% right, but it should be enough to get the ball rolling on these issues. -- Jim McAndrew @JimmyRocks On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com mailto:rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com mailto:j...@joshdoe.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding any information about the elections for the OSM US chapter, The 2010 election was held in August, by email. So it's probably a bit late this year. Minutes from meetings since March, if any, are missing from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Call_Minutes ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
I can answer some (but not all) of your questions, Josh: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding any information about the elections for the OSM US chapter, though people have already started to add nominees: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States#Elections_for_2011-2012_Board When is the election? bylaws say At the first organizational meeting, whenever that happened or will happen What are the procedures for voting? What is the expected or desired commitment from board members? Can current board members run again? I have many other questions unrelated to the election like: Where are the minutes (or summary if minutes aren't approved) from the 21 April, 2011 meeting? There never was a 21 April, 2011 meeting. The last meeting was March 3rd, 2011. Where are the financial reports? They're being worked on as we speak. What assets does the Chapter have? e.g cash, investments, servers and other hardware In general, our assets consist of roughly $5000 in server hardware and $2000 in promotional materials. Who administers the server resources? (Ian and ?) Just me right now. I'm working on changing that and getting it to a point where it's more consolidated, documented, and easier to maintain. Will administration of the servers change after the election? That has not been determined. What are Chapter servers being utilized for now? Currently they are serving http://openstreetmap.us/ and http://toposm.com/. I'm attempting to get a rendering database set up but it's taking longer than expected. The virtualization system we set up has a greater IO impact than I expected. What are the ongoing operations and maintenance costs for the servers? Currently $0.00. All ongoing costs are donated. What projects are going on now or will be started after the election, In terms of projects utilizing the server hardware: - Near term: I'd like to get Richard's shields overlay rendering and start working with people interested in getting a US-specific rendering going. - Longer term: I'd like to find storage for helping service aerial imagery, try to get another JXAPI instance going, and start implementing alternative OSM APIs for people interested in mapping stuff that wouldn't otherwise fit into OSM (e.g. historical maps, Burning Man, etc.) and what are the financial commitments? How many members are there? There are currently 19 paying members. Has the Technical, Education Student Outreach or US Tagging working groups ever met? I feel like there must be some mailing list or Google Group that I don't know about for me to be missing this much information. There is a mailing list for the board members, but otherwise when we communicate with the members it's via the talk-us mailing list or via direct e-mail contact. -Josh ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:00 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: if for no other reason than showing those upstairs in Canada what we can do ;-) Will you kids stop making all that racket?!?!?! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
Another barrage of questions The wiki says that the 2011-2012 election is coming up soon. How is this being organized and when is it actually going to be? The system that was set up last year worked pretty well. I think it was surveymonkey run by some independent (Apache?) observers. Is it possible to do this again? If so, what needs to be done? I know that at one point getting 503(c) status was a goal of the organization. Did this ever happen, and if not, what needs to be done? One thing I would like to see with the US servers is one set up to make extracts, especially for major cities and metro regions. Even the state ones can be rather unwieldy. Assuming others think this would be useful how do we go about setting something like this up? And last but not least has anyone started thinking about the next SOTM-US.? If the main SOTM is going to be in the August-September timeframe it might be a good idea to try and offset ours. For instance, aim for March so they aren't taking place one directly after the other. I threw this idea around some at SOTM Denver and it was well recieved but If we want to do this we'll need to get started planning it pretty soon. Same criteriahttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2010/BIDS/CRITERIAas last time? Cheers, Greg ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding any information about the elections for the OSM US chapter, The 2010 election was held in August, by email. So it's probably a bit late this year. The bylaws, if I recall, said there should be an annual meeting as well. It needs to happen along with the annual report (the report is presented at the meeting). Last year it was State of the Map US. I assumed this year that it would happen at the same time as OSMF has its elections... - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Last year it was State of the Map US. I assumed this year that it would happen at the same time as OSMF has its elections... The US chapter was scheduled to meet Saturday at SotM at 12:30. Did anything happen there? http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/saturday-september-10th/ Perhaps a few members will offer to help the US local chapter team with organizing things. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Gregory Arenius greg...@arenius.com wrote: Another barrage of questions [ ... ] I think it was surveymonkey run by some independent (Apache?) observers. Is it possible to do this again? If so, what needs to be done? As for last year, Mike Collinson and I served as independent observers / vote counters. The vote was handled through surveymonkey last year. We just used plain-old-email for the Foundation election just passed. I think I prefer email since it removes the reliance on an external service. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Last year it was State of the Map US. I assumed this year that it would happen at the same time as OSMF has its elections... The US chapter was scheduled to meet Saturday at SotM at 12:30. Did anything happen there? http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/saturday-september-10th/ I'm fairly certain that wasn't there on Friday when I typed up the Saturday schedule that ended up on the wiki. Either way, there was a HOT meeting at that time outside and I don't think a OSM US meeting happened. Perhaps a few members will offer to help the US local chapter team with organizing things. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Gregory Arenius greg...@arenius.com wrote: Another barrage of questions [ ... ] I think it was surveymonkey run by some independent (Apache?) observers. Is it possible to do this again? If so, what needs to be done? As for last year, Mike Collinson and I served as independent observers / vote counters. The vote was handled through surveymonkey last year. We just used plain-old-email for the Foundation election just passed. I think I prefer email since it removes the reliance on an external service. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: Is this still marked cast only? I haven't been on World Drive there in years, but I do know that as of last weekend the entrance from Reams i I'll try to remember to look at signage on World Dr at Contemporary Dr when I'm there in a few weeks. I don't seem to have a photo in the cross-walk in the right direction. If Reams to World is signed for guests, that explains why one of the Annual Pass podcasters is entering that way routinely. i'll have to detour to come back from shopping that way in January just for fun once :-) -- Bill @n1vux bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/15/2011 9:50 AM, Anthony wrote: The sign does not say you may use the road so long as you need it to get to your destination (access=destination). That would preclude cast members as using it as a cut-through alternative to World Drive. And it would permit its use by solicitors, non-customers trying to avoid parking fees, and Michael Moore. [snip] But that's an interesting point about cast members (AKA employees) being allowed to use it even when their destination is not Disney. Actually my comment was about cast members using it when their destination *is* Disney, just not a place in Disney in which the use of Vista Blvd is necessary. I'm not even sure what access=destination is supposed to mean with regard to that section of Vista Blvd. But my guess is that it would mean you can only use this road to get to Fort Wilderness, and using it to go between World Drive and Bonnet Creek Parkway would not be allowed. Also, I couldn't find any such sign going in the other direction. Even if this were access=destination, it would be a unidirectional access=destination. Incidenally, for some reason Lulu-Ann put the example of customer parking lots in the wiki for access=destination, but I'd say this completely changes the original intent of access=destination. Only a few months ago the wiki said access=destination The public has right of access only if this is the only road to your destination. In December 2007 it said destination (The public has right of access only if this is the only road to your destination, in Dutch: bestemmingsverkeer, in German: Anlieger frei / ausgenommen Anrainer) The definition in the wiki today is very different from what was for years. The definition from at least December 2007 until July 2011 implied that access=destination is to be used for public (or at least quasi-public) roads, not private roads. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
On 9/15/11 2:01 PM, Ian Dees wrote: I can answer some (but not all) of your questions, Josh: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Josh Doej...@joshdoe.com wrote: Has the Technical, Education Student Outreach or US Tagging working groups ever met? the US tagging group was my proposal. the reaction on talk-us to the idea of having it was pretty mixed, and i didn't press the proposal. i'd welcome comment on whether i should have pressed it. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] US Chapter wiki page refresh (was Re: OSM US Chapter elections and)
Taking some of the comments from the previous thread, as well as some browsing through the list archives, I've made an attempt at reorganizing the Chapter page to hopefully be clearer and communicate more information: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States I added a history section, moved the mundane (but important!) bits to the end, and did some other minor changes. I also created a page to give summaries of past elections. I've only done the 2010 temporary election, so maybe someone else wants to tackle the 2010-2011 election: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections Of course I'm not a Board member or on any working group, so I hope every current Board member reviews the pages for currency and comprehensiveness. -Josh ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
