[Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011
In order to improve OpenStreetMap in Chattanooga TN we are having an editing party on December 4th 2011 from 9 to 2 at the Outdoor Chattanooga Headquarters. Outdoor Chattanooga is working on releasing an OpenTripPlanner application (similar to Portland's application) and the plan is to use OpenStreetMap as the base. They want to interface with the OSM community and this is a first step to making that happen. At some point soon we will be having an actually mapping party. If you wish to help from where ever you are - please help us connect unconnected ways to help with routing people and bicycles. We will handle the tags. Bring your own laptop or use one provided. I plan on running through potlatch and JOSM and how ways need to be tagged to work with OpenTripPlanner. Breakfast will be served - and hopefully a good (and slightly frustrating) time will be had by all. Location: http://www.outdoorchattanooga.com/383.htm Time: 9a.m. to 2p.m. Randy -- Randal Hale, GISP North River Geographic Systems, Inc. http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Mappy Hour Tomorrow 7pm in Minneapolis
Hi all, Just in case you're on talk-us but not on any of the other mailing lists I've mentioned this on, I'm hosting a mappy hour/get together tomorrow at the CoCo co-working space in downtown Minneapolis at 7pm. If you're planning on attending, please RSVP here so I have an idea for how much liquid to buy: http://www.meetup.com/Openstreetmap/Minneapolis-MN/517272/ -Ian ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011
On 11/29/2011 9:46 AM, Randal Hale wrote: If you wish to help from where ever you are - please help us connect unconnected ways to help with routing people and bicycles. We will handle the tags. What types of missing connections should we look for? TIGER fixups - bridges, county border connection, dual carriageway, etc? Sidewalks to roads? Cycleway to roads? I might get a block of time this weekend. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011
* Tiger Fixups - mostly intersections - we've got ways that almost connect and don't. OTP is routing around them. We're working from downtown out. * We're currently trying to collect all the Bicycle ROW/Lanes/Whatever as an ESRI shapefile. I think we have them - if so I will post them somewhere and you can use them as a reference. Outdoor Chattanooga is checking currently with the powers that be to see if we have them. * I've also got a TMS of 2010 Hamilton County imagery at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Servers/Imagery * We're (OC) also trying to verify if roads need sidewalks for pedestrian traffic. Randal Hale, GISP North River Geographic Systems, Inc. ESRI Business Partner and Certified Trainer http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com On 11/29/2011 1:19 PM, Mike N wrote: On 11/29/2011 9:46 AM, Randal Hale wrote: If you wish to help from where ever you are - please help us connect unconnected ways to help with routing people and bicycles. We will handle the tags. What types of missing connections should we look for? TIGER fixups - bridges, county border connection, dual carriageway, etc? Sidewalks to roads? Cycleway to roads? I might get a block of time this weekend. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011
On 11/29/2011 1:45 PM, Randal Hale wrote: * We're (OC) also trying to verify if roads need sidewalks for pedestrian traffic. I'm not sure what you mean by this. As far as I know, it's legal to walk (against vehicle traffic) on the majority of roads without improved sidewalks in every U.S. state. Or if you're talking about routing software, I doubt there's enough sidewalk tagging that any of them have decided to prefer roads with sidewalks. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011
I have no clue either - it was a question I had. I can't imagine it's needed - but it was something I had asked. We have a major road that OTP is skipping - My second guess was because it had no sidewalks. I haven't had a chance to go back and look. On 11/29/2011 2:06 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 11/29/2011 1:45 PM, Randal Hale wrote: * We're (OC) also trying to verify if roads need sidewalks for pedestrian traffic. I'm not sure what you mean by this. As far as I know, it's legal to walk (against vehicle traffic) on the majority of roads without improved sidewalks in every U.S. state. Or if you're talking about routing software, I doubt there's enough sidewalk tagging that any of them have decided to prefer roads with sidewalks. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011
On 11/29/2011 2:28 PM, Randal Hale wrote: I have no clue either - it was a question I had. I can't imagine it's needed - but it was something I had asked. We have a major road that OTP is skipping - My second guess was because it had no sidewalks. I haven't had a chance to go back and look. So by "need" you mean wrt routing software. Gotcha. On 11/29/2011 2:06 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 11/29/2011 1:45 PM, Randal Hale wrote: * We're (OC) also trying to verify if roads need sidewalks for pedestrian traffic. I'm not sure what you mean by this. As far as I know, it's legal to walk (against vehicle traffic) on the majority of roads without improved sidewalks in every U.S. state. Or if you're talking about routing software, I doubt there's enough sidewalk tagging that any of them have decided to prefer roads with sidewalks. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011
You got it. My goal is to enable Outdoor Chattanooga to get this OpenTripPlanner stuff up an going. We've got a developer from Atlanta with OpenPlans and several other people of different development status (Java, web) helping - I'm gladly sticking with what I barely know - OSM. On 11/29/2011 2:25 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 11/29/2011 2:28 PM, Randal Hale wrote: I have no clue either - it was a question I had. I can't imagine it's needed - but it was something I had asked. We have a major road that OTP is skipping - My second guess was because it had no sidewalks. I haven't had a chance to go back and look. So by "need" you mean wrt routing software. Gotcha. On 11/29/2011 2:06 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 11/29/2011 1:45 PM, Randal Hale wrote: * We're (OC) also trying to verify if roads need sidewalks for pedestrian traffic. I'm not sure what you mean by this. As far as I know, it's legal to walk (against vehicle traffic) on the majority of roads without improved sidewalks in every U.S. state. Or if you're talking about routing software, I doubt there's enough sidewalk tagging that any of them have decided to prefer roads with sidewalks. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011
Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 11/29/2011 1:45 PM, Randal Hale wrote: > > * We're (OC) also trying to verify if roads need sidewalks for > > pedestrian traffic. > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. As far as I know, it's legal to > walk > (against vehicle traffic) on the majority of roads without improved > sidewalks in every U.S. state. Or if you're talking about routing > software, I doubt there's enough sidewalk tagging that any of them > have > decided to prefer roads with sidewalks. > I suspect they mean "is it safe to walk in the street" more than "is it legal to walk in the street". I know that there are a number of places in Nashville, TN where there isn't much of an alternative to walking in the street, due to terrain or other obstacles, yet walking in the street is dangerous because narrow traffic lanes and a lack of shoulders puts you very close to traffic. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011
On 11/29/2011 5:46 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: I suspect they mean "is it safe to walk in the street" Good luck defining this. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 11/29/2011 5:46 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: >> >> I suspect they mean "is it safe to walk in the street" > > > Good luck defining this. I think it's solvable fairly easily on the micro-scale - liberally use sidewalk tags (or map the footways) and have the routing algorithm penalize foot traffic on highway >= unclassified (presumably the routes with most traffic) without sidewalk=yes|left|right, and really penalize highway >= unclassified & sidewalk=no. No need to get into wrangling over perceived pedestrian-friendliness. Or if you want to be really "objective" you could also try to merge in AADT data for Hamilton County from TDOT/MPO and factor that in as a penalty for ped routing. Chris -- Chris Lawrence Website: http://www.cnlawrence.com/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us