Re: [Talk-us] Cemeteries in OSM?
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Thomas Colson thomas_col...@nps.gov wrote: Are there any examples of detailed cemetery mapping in OSM? E.g. individual head-stones are mapped with interred information. Is this even an appropriate use of OSM? I have a cemetery mapping project with LOTS of good data, pondering the best way to publish it…. Outside of OSM, genealogists are extremely interested in cemetery/grave information. Two of the larger projects that I know of are: http://www.findagrave.com/ (Longer established, but does not include GIS data for individual graves/headstones) http://billiongraves.com/ (Newer, but includes GPS and a photo of each headstone) I couldn't find detailed information, but I believe that the data from these projects is not open unfortunately. IMHO, detailed information about every grave isn't appropriate for OSM: 1) Unless specialized apps are developed, searching the data would be difficult. 2) Do maps render high enough zoom levels to distingush individual graves? 3) As other have discussed, data quality issues. 4) Ability to attach metadata, or provide stable links to other sources of information. The exception to the rule would be for historic figures or celebrities that the general public might want to search for/visit. What I _would_ like to see is an improvement in the accuracy of cemetery names/locations/outlines. Many cemeteries were loaded into OSM as part of the GNIS import. Unfortunately, that resulted in many name and location inaccuracies. I've improved nearby ones that I could but some (esp. small pioneer or family cemeteries) are going to take an on-the-ground visit because they aren't visible from aerial imagery, etc. If a cemetery has named/numbered subdivisions it would be nice to get that information into OSM because sometimes you know a grave is in a certain section of a cemetery. -- Jeff Ollie ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!
* Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com [2013-07-28 22:38 -0500]: http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html Awesome! Thanks for all your work in making this happen! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!
* Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net [2013-07-29 08:17 -0400]: one thing to consider in NY, though - not all counties use the yellow-on-blue pentagonal County Route signs. right now it's automagically using that style shield for all county routes. should we deal with this or let it go? I'd prefer to deal with it. I'd like the shields to match actual road signs as much as possible. If you can get me a list of what New York counties use which sign styles, I'll work on getting the rendering to match them. For what it's worth, Minh Nguyen has been working with other Ohio mappers to both get Ohio's county routes into OSM and to document the signage (and the tagging they're using) at http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Ohio/Route_relations/Networks ; I would not at all object if people put together similar references for other states with diverse county sign styles. :) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!
* Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com [2013-07-29 00:40 -0700]: I wonder if this would be helpful: I've been generating weekly generalized datasets of route relations. http://openstreetmap.us/~migurski/streets-and-routes/ The tiles take a little while to render, so I wonder whether using an intermediate data set would cut some corners while reducing repeat labels? One of my goals with this project was to make a rendering that works off a minutely-updated rendering database. It could probably be adapted to work off postprocessed datasets like your generalized route relations (though I don't know (because I haven't looked at your data) whether shield clusters would be easily derivable), but I think that having a minutely-driven rendering is really beneficial to mappers working on data the rendering highlights. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Ninth OpenStreetMap birthday: Toronto
Dear all, A group of Toronto mappers have just finalized and announced the details for the Toronto celebration of the ninth birthday party for OpenStreetMap. And you are all invited. Yes, talk-us-ers, I am totally looking at you, too. Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts mappers, and more all all within an easy drive to Toronto. FSVO Easy. So if you don't have a local event, and you decide not to host one yourself, come on over! :-) Seriously, if you are coming in from out of town, let us know, so we can see is a billet is available for you. Be the honoured guest who travelled from furthest afar. Yes, our Canadian mappers outside Toronto are invited too! Come on in Hamilton, Kingston, Montreal, Ottawa, Renfrew, Barrie, etc. Our typical monthly Toronto Mappy Hour events are held at a pub. In keeping with previous birthday parties, this one will be held at a private residence. Using a private residence gives us the freedom to provide refreshments and perhaps a map-themed confectionery or two. The official announcement, and calendar for other Toronto events, are kept on meetup.com, but no need for you to join there if you'd rather not. You may RSVP to me directly, off list for location and access details. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Ninth OpenStreetMap birthday: Toronto
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear all, A group of Toronto mappers have just finalized and announced the details for the Toronto celebration of the ninth birthday party for OpenStreetMap. And you are all invited. I should have included the date. Saturday, 10 August 2013, along with the other official birthday events. :-) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_9th_Anniversary_Birthday_party ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Cemeteries in OSM?
When you start getting to the level of information not actually on the grave marker, not to mention information about people known to be buried in the cemetery, but whose grave markers are missing or no longer legible, it makes sense to have this information in a separate database rather than in OSM itself. I am on the board of a small historical society that maintains an old cemetery. Many of the graves once had cypress-wood markers, as the local stone doesn't weather well, and marble or metal markers were expensive. An early-twentieth-century grass fire destroyed the wooden markers, so we now don't know exactly whom is in the majority of the graves. Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 7/29/2013 10:49 AM, Thomas Colson wrote: _Is this even an appropriate use of OSM?_ I have a cemetery mapping project with LOTS of good data, pondering the best way to publish it…. I would say - yes. To me the considerations lie in how much data to include: Everything on the stone? Local information about the person? Additional knowledge from historians and sextons? On a related note, this subject came up for me a few weeks ago. Mark Gray had given a lightning talk on this subject at SOTM US 2010 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2010 . I was thinking of starting with a single waypoint, which can be very accurate after multiple averaging, multiple readings at different times of day, etc. Then using a rig for highly accurate headstone location readings relative to the reference point, which could be converted to GeoLocation coordinates.I couldn't find any simple, low cost way to do this with a quick Internet search. Are there Smartphone apps that can do this with the help of their accelerometer? Some other type of hardware? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] test -- trying to solve email problem
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Re: [Talk-us] Cemeteries in OSM?
Hi Thomas, It would be 100% fine putting in individual gravestones into OSM. It is an physical object that can be surveyed, does not move, and people care about it. Personally, I would enjoy mapping the locations of gravestones of loved ones, important people, kind of like a little Internet memorial. When you die, you get your very own node in OSM. If enough people do it, somebody will make a special slippy map that supports a very high level zoom to show each gravestone, don't worry about it not being rendered right now, just try to get the tagging right. It sounds like this might be an import, you should follow the normal process (like the NPS import). I say go for it! Thanks Jason. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Thomas Colson thomas_col...@nps.gov wrote: Are there any examples of detailed cemetery mapping in OSM? E.g. individual head-stones are mapped with interred information. Is this even an appropriate use of OSM? I have a cemetery mapping project with LOTS of good data, pondering the best way to publish it…. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Cemeteries in OSM?
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: Are there Smartphone apps that can do this with the help of their accelerometer? Some other type of hardware? I could point you to the professional equipment that can do this. On the cheap though, consider using a laser measuring device. Set a base control point and measure relative to it. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Cemeteries in OSM?
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Thomas, It would be 100% fine putting in individual gravestones into OSM. It is an physical object that can be surveyed, does not move, and people care about it. Personally, I would enjoy mapping the locations of gravestones of loved ones, important people, kind of like a little Internet memorial. When you die, you get your very own node in OSM. If enough people do it, somebody will make a special slippy map that supports a very high level zoom to show each gravestone, don't worry about it not being rendered right now, just try to get the tagging right. It sounds like this might be an import, you should follow the normal process (like the NPS import). I say go for it! Thanks Jason. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Thomas Colson thomas_col...@nps.gov wrote: Are there any examples of detailed cemetery mapping in OSM? E.g. individual head-stones are mapped with interred information. Is this even an appropriate use of OSM? I have a cemetery mapping project with LOTS of good data, pondering the best way to publish it…. I looked at this plugin at one time. The idea behind the plugin supports multiple people in one location too. I thought using this plugin would be a great excuse to get out and explore some of the are cemeteries. That didn't work out for a number of reasons. However, here's how the data is added to a JOSM OSM file. The plugin provides a pictorial view of all the tomb values from the OSM wiki page. The Polish language page provides more information on possible key combinations. Note too that the even though JOSM and perhaps other editors start with a lat with 33.024470104758166, the OSM database only stores seven digits after the decimal place. That should still provide enough accuracy to locate grave markers. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Tomb_Plugin http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:Key:tomb node id='-140' action='modify' visible='true' lat='33.024470104758166' lon='-112.049160370313' tag k='description' v='Researcher' / tag k='died' v='2013-07-29' / tag k='historic' v='tomb' / tag k='name' v='additional user data' / tag k='tomb' v='tombstone' / tag k='type' v='person' / /node node id='175448424' timestamp='2012-05-10T15:22:00Z' uid='633256' user='jmjanzen' visible='true' version='5' changeset='11559741' lat='33.0290594' lon='-112.0478438' / ... relation id='-141' action='modify' visible='true' member type='node' ref='-140' role='tomb' / tag k='name' v='p' / tag k='type' v='person' / /relation Greg ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
