Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Greg Morgan]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Greg Morgan 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for another TIGER tool.  I used it to look at some areas and made
>> changes.  The map reminds me of another map that MapBox produced several
>> years ago using a slider tool.
>> Useful features:
>> * Timely updates.  The old slider map was never updated and lost value
>> after a couple of edits.  Oh! I see that my edits showed up.  The problem
>> is how do you remove the yellow TIGER data?
>>
>
> Yea. this is on my far-out backlog. A live (or daily) updated TIGER
> diff map, ideally at first showing only major roads.
>
>
>> * iD, Potlach, JOSM, remote control features.
>>
>
> What do you mean by that?
>


Often I will go to the OSM site to look around.  If I see something
interesting, then I will use the edit menu option to started editing the
area in JOSM..   I am not sure what your plans are with the tool. If the
tool only has a web browser interface like the current version, then having
an "edit in" drop down feature would be really useful. Since there are few
major visual clues in this great low contrast map, I find it hard locate
the same area in JOSM when I switch from web browser to JOSM.

Perhaps I am experiencing beta blues?  I found the secret hand shake to use
the map in JOSM as a tracing layer:  tms[21]:https://{switch:a,b,c}.
tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ

If this is your ultimate design, then I am sure my "edit in" drop down
feature request would be puzzling.


Yup. We're cautious and trust the TIGER data only where it coincides w/
> imagery and there we trace off the imagery and don't just take the TIGER
> data. Sometimes you run into situations where you just don't know whether
> TIGER's right or the imagery (a lot of imagery is pretty old on Bing) - in
> these cases we just don't touch the data, maybe drop a note.
>
> There are also many places where TIGER is just flat out behind - an
> opportunity for community and government to work more closely together.
>


I spent some quality time editing with the map on Friday and Saturday.
There were some great improvements that I made in OSM while using your
Better than OSM map.  In practice, I had Bing, MapBox Satellite, Tiger
2012, Tiger 2014, and your Better than OSM as background imagery. Between
ITOWorld Tiger Fixup [1], Better than OSM, and Battle Grid,  Better than
OSM comes in second place to the ITOWorld map.  Both ITOWorld and your map
provide me more precision than Battle Grid.  That's just my way of working
and preferences.

1. Better than OSM made me reexamine areas that I thought were mostly
complete. One of the issues I have with ITOWorld and Battle Grid is that
the colors can obscure single roads that have not been reviewed.   I found
that Better than OSM threw all those issues in my face in the area that I
was editing. The same yellow at all zoom levels is also a plus.  Not sizing
the line width between the highway=* tags is also a plus.  The simple
styling made me see all issues clearly.

2. I needed the other two TIGER maps to add missing names for some roads.
The yellow contrast is great and keeps the map simple but is missing the
names.

3. I concur about TIGER being behind.  Some of the yellow lines where
"stray" roads that had not been cleaned up in the TIGER data.  The "stray"
lines really did not point to where TIGER was better than OSM.

4. Since some of these "stray" roads do not touch other OSM roads, I don't
know how you would "turn off" the yellow TIGER line once OSM had been fixed
or that TIGER data had been determined to be a false positive.  If feels
like you would have to have a tiger:reviewed="yes" interface or something
like what Keepright uses to turn off the "stray" roads in Better than OSM
map.  Perhaps some sort of attribute can be kept in the "flagging" data.
You could then pass the information on to the government as you note in the
community and government working closer with each other comment.

5. I found that painting OSM highways white without bridges or tunnels an
issue.  I went to these areas thinking that the there was a problem because
there were yellow lines in the area too.  I found the bridge and moved on.
There may be some other data to add to the white OSM layer but I am not
sure what that would be right now.

Thanks for the tool.  I am not sure how long it will be available but I did
find it useful for a number editing tasks.

Regards,
Greg

[1] http://www.itoworld.com/map/162?lon=-112.09148&lat=33.53444&zoom=11
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Alex Barth]

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Greg Morgan  wrote:

> Thanks for another TIGER tool.  I used it to look at some areas and made
> changes.  The map reminds me of another map that MapBox produced several
> years ago using a slider tool.
> Useful features:
> * Timely updates.  The old slider map was never updated and lost value
> after a couple of edits.  Oh! I see that my edits showed up.  The problem
> is how do you remove the yellow TIGER data?
>

Yea. this is on my far-out backlog. A live (or daily) updated TIGER
diff map, ideally at first showing only major roads.


> * iD, Potlach, JOSM, remote control features.
>

What do you mean by that?


>
> Interesting problems:
> * The Census staff got the news of "sub-prime rate" subdivisions.  These
> were plated but are still farmland.  It is too early to try and map the
> subdivision.
> * I added a "sub-prime rate" subdivision that had the grading in place
> with construction tags.  The existing Tiger layers provided the names.
> * I found some areas that had explosive growth.  I recall adding the areas
> because of interesting buildings, etc.  The TIGER data still shows roads
> that have been removed via new development.  For example a new commercial
> area has yellow TIGER roads going through a building.
> *  The false positives that I saw were related to "new construction"--well
> it is several years old now.  An area was developed.  All the existing
> roads were removed and folded into the new development. The yellow lines
> remaining were, say, between the secondary road and the first road of the
> subdivision.  The yellow road may have been the original alignment of the
> secondary or possibly a farm road.
>

Yup. We're cautious and trust the TIGER data only where it coincides w/
imagery and there we trace off the imagery and don't just take the TIGER
data. Sometimes you run into situations where you just don't know whether
TIGER's right or the imagery (a lot of imagery is pretty old on Bing) - in
these cases we just don't touch the data, maybe drop a note.

There are also many places where TIGER is just flat out behind - an
opportunity for community and government to work more closely together.
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[SomeoneElse]

On 15/03/2015 23:20, Mikel Maron wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:59 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:
>Yeah, that's just setting up a HOT tasking manager right? Except the 
HOT tasking manager will probably choke on one half hour tasks for all 
of US :)


Set up multiple projects on the OSMTM, say 1 (or more) per state...




For info, the German community runs a joint mapping project every couple 
of weeks:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wochenaufgabe

http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2015/01/wochenaufgabe-kw-0607-apotheken/

Perhaps it's worth pitching a few counties where there's good aerial 
coverage to them for a future task?


Also, the West Midlands group in the UK have started having similar 
(quarterly) projects:


http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2015/01/suggestion-for-osm-uk-quarterly-projects.html

Cheers,

Andy

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Greg Morgan]

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mike Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>>  The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote
>>> control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate "Yes, I'm
>>> done" or "Needs more work", and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets
>>> taken out of rotation.
>>>
>> Sounds similar to the HOT OSM Tasking Manager?
>>
>
> Yeah, that's just setting up a HOT tasking manager right? Except the HOT
> tasking manager will probably choke on one half hour tasks for all of US :)
>
> Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:
>
> https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360
>
>
> Alex,

Thanks for another TIGER tool.  I used it to look at some areas and made
changes.  The map reminds me of another map that MapBox produced several
years ago using a slider tool.
Useful features:
* Timely updates.  The old slider map was never updated and lost value
after a couple of edits.  Oh! I see that my edits showed up.  The problem
is how do you remove the yellow TIGER data?
* iD, Potlach, JOSM, remote control features.

Interesting problems:
* The Census staff got the news of "sub-prime rate" subdivisions.  These
were plated but are still farmland.  It is too early to try and map the
subdivision.
* I added a "sub-prime rate" subdivision that had the grading in place with
construction tags.  The existing Tiger layers provided the names.
* I found some areas that had explosive growth.  I recall adding the areas
because of interesting buildings, etc.  The TIGER data still shows roads
that have been removed via new development.  For example a new commercial
area has yellow TIGER roads going through a building.
*  The false positives that I saw were related to "new construction"--well
it is several years old now.  An area was developed.  All the existing
roads were removed and folded into the new development. The yellow lines
remaining were, say, between the secondary road and the first road of the
subdivision.  The yellow road may have been the original alignment of the
secondary or possibly a farm road.

HTH,
Greg
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Paul Mach]

I'm kind of jumping on this discussion a bit late, but there is another
possible solution; to build better tools. On one side it could be easier to
review imports and recent changes. This would make the "cost" of imports
lower. On the other side, map editing could be made less tedious. Guiding
using outside data sources is one approach, similar to slide
.

Basically any tools that makes map editors more productive is good;
existing users do more and new users are more engaged. My 2 cents anyways.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Clifford Snow 
wrote:

> Alex,
> Our friends on the other side of the pond like to point out that we have
> many poorly and unmapped areas. I'm sure we all agree that their assessment
> is correct. Solving this problem should be one of our highest priorities.
> Two solutions come to mind, increase the number of imports and growing the
> community of mappers. While I feel that imports have their place, i.e.
> addresses and building outlines, my preferred solution is to increase the
> number of mappers. It would be great to see a session to brainstorm how to
> set target growth rates and then how to achieve them.
>
> My sense is that having the US Chapter Board involved is needed to help
> overcome some obstacles, ie. funding, software tools, communications, etc.
>
> I'd be happy to create a proposal for such a session, but it would need a
> facilitator to help us work with a large group of interested parties. (I
> haven't facilitated a large group in many years.) My other obstacle is I'm
> currently visiting Costa Rica and I'm often in places with limited internet
> access which makes it hard to communicate.
>
> I'd like to get some feedback what others think. Do we have a problem of
> being under and poorly mapped lands? Is it worthwhile to hold a session to
> build a roadmap to fix it? If so how would you do it?
>
> Clifford
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:
>
>> Casting the net a little wider:
>>
>> What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
>> we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of
>> the Map?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I put together a 3 minute survey about the upcoming State of the Map US
>>> conference. The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of
>>> talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or
>>> organizations you would want to see a talk from. You can find the survey
>>> here: http://goo.gl/forms/YZpm2aPk2O
>>>
>>> If you don't want to fill out the survey, you can also send your opinion
>>> my way in an email. In any case, thanks in advance for taking the time.
>>>
>>> Remember, the Call for Papers will be open for another 3 weeks:
>>> http://stateofthemap.us/talk/
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> --
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Mikel Maron]

> Yeah, that's just setting up a HOT tasking manager right? Except the HOT 
>tasking manager will probably choke on one half hour tasks for all of US :) 
Set up multiple projects on the OSMTM, say 1 (or more) per state...
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 


 On Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:59 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:
   
 

 
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:


 The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote
control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate "Yes, I'm
done" or "Needs more work", and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets
taken out of rotation.

Sounds similar to the HOT OSM Tasking Manager?

Yeah, that's just setting up a HOT tasking manager right? Except the HOT 
tasking manager will probably choke on one half hour tasks for all of US :)
Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM: 
https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360
It's using the same data you'll get if you use the "New & Misaligned TIGER 
Roads" layer in iD and JOSM, so all of the map above is actionable.
At Mapbox we're working on focusing better our work better going after the 
higher order road networks first. Happy to share once we have results here. I 
don't have an ETA for this work yet.
Also relevant: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/34290

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Ian Dees]

As others have mentioned, this map might give false positives where TIGER
data is worse than OSM. It might be better to look at the map of OSM
intersecting TIGER 2007ish and use that to highlight areas where the
geometry hasn't changed since the original import. A roughly similar result
could be found by showing only the geometry from bots + DaveHansenTiger.
On Mar 14, 2015 9:59 PM, "Alex Barth"  wrote:

>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mike Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>>  The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote
>>> control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate "Yes, I'm
>>> done" or "Needs more work", and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets
>>> taken out of rotation.
>>>
>> Sounds similar to the HOT OSM Tasking Manager?
>>
>
> Yeah, that's just setting up a HOT tasking manager right? Except the HOT
> tasking manager will probably choke on one half hour tasks for all of US :)
>
> Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:
>
> https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360
>
> It's using the same data you'll get if you use the "New & Misaligned TIGER
> Roads" layer in iD and JOSM, so all of the map above is actionable.
>
> At Mapbox we're working on focusing better our work better going after the
> higher order road networks first. Happy to share once we have results here.
> I don't have an ETA for this work yet.
>
> Also relevant: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/34290
>
> Alex
>
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Brian May]

On 3/15/2015 8:53 AM, Clifford Snow wrote:


On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Alex Barth > wrote:


Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:

https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360


I think the correct phrase is "Here's a map showing where TIGER is 
different than OSM." Just because new TIGER data is available, doesn't 
make it better. In my limited experience with just small parts of two 
states, new TIGER data in rural areas is often bad.


Clifford


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So the yellow is where tiger 2013 is better? In a few areas I checked 
and had updated OSM, its much worse than OSM. And as Clifford notes, in 
many rural counties, new tiger is no better than old tiger, or its 
marginally better than old tiger. In a few cases, a county has seen a 
decent upgrade in quality with newer tiger, but seems to be a small 
minority of cases where I look which is Florida.


And then there is the issue of areas where OSM has not been edited much 
and the original tiger is mostly the same as the new tiger, so there's 
not much yellow. You can see vast swatchs of this in Alabama, Georgia 
and NW Florida - and it lines up to county lines.


Overall, I think the map is somewhat misleading.

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Clifford Snow]

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

> Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:
>
> https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360
>

I think the correct phrase is "Here's a map showing where TIGER is
different than OSM." Just because new TIGER data is available, doesn't make
it better. In my limited experience with just small parts of two states,
new TIGER data in rural areas is often bad.

Clifford


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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Alex Barth]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

>  The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote
>> control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate "Yes, I'm
>> done" or "Needs more work", and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets
>> taken out of rotation.
>>
> Sounds similar to the HOT OSM Tasking Manager?
>

Yeah, that's just setting up a HOT tasking manager right? Except the HOT
tasking manager will probably choke on one half hour tasks for all of US :)

Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:

https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360

It's using the same data you'll get if you use the "New & Misaligned TIGER
Roads" layer in iD and JOSM, so all of the map above is actionable.

At Mapbox we're working on focusing better our work better going after the
higher order road networks first. Happy to share once we have results here.
I don't have an ETA for this work yet.

Also relevant: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/34290

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[stevea]

Is anybody interested in using such a service?


Though this does seem to overlap with Tiger 2014 Battle Grid, it 
sounds pretty cool, and so will likely have wide appeal, a virtual 
prerequisite for such an endeavor.  It could even become a sustained 
part of Mapping Parties in the USA, at least until it isn't seen as 
particularly useful for a given area (which will "fix itself").


Clearly, a large goal for OSM USA is to well coordinate many/most/all 
of our TIGER-cleanup efforts into something cohesive, ongoing and if 
possible, fun.  We might start with a "TIGER Cleanup Vision" 
statement with some sub-goals and even rough time lines.  (If this 
exists anywhere and I haven't seen it, apologies).  But it could be a 
major thrust forward to bring OSM into a kind of "more mature" data 
present -- one which large parts of Europe enjoy now.  While there 
are some very nice places in OSM in the USA, we certainly cannot rest 
upon our laurels:  we have significant catching up to do, especially 
with TIGER cleanup.


SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

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On Mar 11, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Mike Thompson wrote:

> 
>  The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote
> control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate "Yes, I'm
> done" or "Needs more work", and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets
> taken out of rotation.
> Sounds similar to the HOT OSM Tasking Manager?
> 
> 
> Is anybody interested in using such a service?
> Yes
> 
In some ways similar to Tiger 2014 battle grid: 
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Mike Thompson]

>  The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote
> control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate "Yes, I'm
> done" or "Needs more work", and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets
> taken out of rotation.
>
Sounds similar to the HOT OSM Tasking Manager?


> Is anybody interested in using such a service?
>
Yes
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Russ Nelson]

stevea writes:
 > but TIGER data in general just need serious and sustained attention 
 > until consensus emerges that they don't.

What about this: I've noticed, at least in NY, that some of the
counties are excellent, and some are much less so. What about creating
a persistent tiling of the US which starts with county borders, and
splits the county up into sections which are managable in a half-hour's
time (say). The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote
control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate "Yes, I'm
done" or "Needs more work", and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets
taken out of rotation.

As a "stetch goal", it could only give you tiles close to your home,
or allow you to specify a region of interest and only give you tiles
within that region.

Is anybody interested in using such a service?

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[stevea]

Russ Nelson writes:

For OSM in the US? Finding and fixing the badly-digitized TIGER data.


I agree.  Interstates are "largely there," state highways are 
"getting there," rail is "underway now," and a lot of "lesser" 
streets and highways are cleaned up.   But there remain substantial 
TIGER deserts, and much TIGER data are pretty darn noisy:  downright 
inaccurate (but we do seem to agree, better than nothing).


Who remembers Operation Cowboy?!  We are now kind of doing something 
like that with rail (in a very loose way with 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States_railways), 
but TIGER data in general just need serious and sustained attention 
until consensus emerges that they don't.  That seems a long way off 
so let's do our best to roll up our sleeves and identify how and 
where this might happen.


SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Clifford Snow]

Alex,
Our friends on the other side of the pond like to point out that we have
many poorly and unmapped areas. I'm sure we all agree that their assessment
is correct. Solving this problem should be one of our highest priorities.
Two solutions come to mind, increase the number of imports and growing the
community of mappers. While I feel that imports have their place, i.e.
addresses and building outlines, my preferred solution is to increase the
number of mappers. It would be great to see a session to brainstorm how to
set target growth rates and then how to achieve them.

My sense is that having the US Chapter Board involved is needed to help
overcome some obstacles, ie. funding, software tools, communications, etc.

I'd be happy to create a proposal for such a session, but it would need a
facilitator to help us work with a large group of interested parties. (I
haven't facilitated a large group in many years.) My other obstacle is I'm
currently visiting Costa Rica and I'm often in places with limited internet
access which makes it hard to communicate.

I'd like to get some feedback what others think. Do we have a problem of
being under and poorly mapped lands? Is it worthwhile to hold a session to
build a roadmap to fix it? If so how would you do it?

Clifford

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

> Casting the net a little wider:
>
> What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
> we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of
> the Map?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I put together a 3 minute survey about the upcoming State of the Map US
>> conference. The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of
>> talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or
>> organizations you would want to see a talk from. You can find the survey
>> here: http://goo.gl/forms/YZpm2aPk2O
>>
>> If you don't want to fill out the survey, you can also send your opinion
>> my way in an email. In any case, thanks in advance for taking the time.
>>
>> Remember, the Call for Papers will be open for another 3 weeks:
>> http://stateofthemap.us/talk/
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> --
>> Martijn van Exel
>> skype: mvexel
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Paul Johnson]

I'm still kicking up chunks of stuff GNIS and TIGER pulled in that are
woefully inaccurate. Just did some cursory Lincoln County, NV work after my
father got lost out there while motorcycling with his wife (fortunately for
him, he carries survival basics and knows how to survive in the Great Basin
and how to recover when lost out there, so having bad information was just
super annoying, not necessarily life-threatening in this case).  Seems GNIS
and/or TIGER pulled in some POIs for hamlets that either never existed in
the first place, or were abandoned 50+ years ago and are long gone now.
Whenever I'm out there or I have a reason to edit out there, I do try to
make sure it's at least minimally connected and tagged more or less
correctly (though the geometry might not be super-accurate since we're
talking about having to fix dozens of miles at a time in open-nothing) so
it can at least be used to route back to civilization.

This is definitely a recurring problem for almost every map in the Mojave
and Great Basin deserts and pretty much a matter of life and death for
those visiting a pretty decent chunk of northern Arizona, New Mexico, parts
of southern California, western Utah, southeastern Oregon and just Nevada
in general.  Given that the US Department of the Interior's been trying to
get mapmakers to fix it since the USGS is horribly out of date in the
region, we could probably garner a lot of goodwill by fixing the map so it
doesn't kill people...

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Russ Nelson  wrote:

> Alex Barth writes:
>  > What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
>  > we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State
> of
>  > the Map?
>
> For OSM in the US? Finding and fixing the badly-digitized TIGER
> data. I've got it mostly under control in NY, but I still find bits
> and pieces of it left. And when I go looking in neighboring states, I
> shudder.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Russ Nelson]

Alex Barth writes:
 > What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
 > we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of
 > the Map?

For OSM in the US? Finding and fixing the badly-digitized TIGER
data. I've got it mostly under control in NY, but I still find bits
and pieces of it left. And when I go looking in neighboring states, I
shudder.

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Alex Barth]

Casting the net a little wider:

What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of
the Map?



On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I put together a 3 minute survey about the upcoming State of the Map US
> conference. The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of
> talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or
> organizations you would want to see a talk from. You can find the survey
> here: http://goo.gl/forms/YZpm2aPk2O
>
> If you don't want to fill out the survey, you can also send your opinion
> my way in an email. In any case, thanks in advance for taking the time.
>
> Remember, the Call for Papers will be open for another 3 weeks:
> http://stateofthemap.us/talk/
>
> Thanks again,
> --
> Martijn van Exel
> skype: mvexel
>
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Bryce Nesbitt]

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Richard Weait  wrote:

>
> 2) Given the audience at DC, I'd say you'll need a beginners track.
> So many people I met there had no understanding of how to do a foot
> survey, and no understanding of why that is the most valuable and
> interesting data in the OpenStreetMap database.  So, yeah.  Some
> really fundamental basics. Why and how to survey.


And a real hands on session...  flashmob micromap something nearby.
Flashmob audit some other area nearby for errors/updates.
Send people on a race with different mobile tools performing similar
mapping tasks.

Step away from the air photo and map the world from the ground!
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