Re: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available
Thomas Fernandez said the following on 02/24/2005 10:22: "I saw a woman wearing a sweatshirt with 'Guess' on it. I said, 'Thyroid problem?'" That one really struck me! LOL!! Thanks for the laugh, I really needed it today! -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Paul Van Noord wrote: TFC> 3. peers? show me some and your sources Eudora, OE, Outlook, etc. I don't think Thunderbird reaches anywhere near the level of bloat and unusability of any of these. Outhouse and Outhouse Express especially are in a class of their own when it comes to bloat and security flaws. I do like TBird's *optional* downloading of HTML images and proper display of HTML formatted emails. Some of the newsletters and so forth that I receive by email are actually readable without having to open them in the browser! And since it is *optional*, I am not by default opening myself to the security risks of downloading any and all images. However, when it comes to TB, usable IMAP is far more important to me than anything to do with HTML. If we want to talk about unusable IMAP, TB truly is without peers among MUA's that claim to support IMAP! -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Paul Van Noord wrote: Also, its editor is primitive compared to MicroEd. I'll agree wholeheartedly with that. MicroEd is far and away the think I miss most about TB! However, simply being able to receive my mail is considerably more important than the editor. DG> I do like TBird's *optional* downloading of HTML images and proper DG> display of HTML formatted emails. I work almost exclusively with neophyte users all over the world. Having this option is one way for the ignorant to become vulnerable. I see your point. But on the other hand, these same neophyts could open the same email in their browser with the same results. Plus, TBird's display of HTML emails *without* remote images is still far superior and more readable than TB!'s non-image display. Most of my subscriptions have a text only option which I use exclusively. When your internet access is paid for by the minute the typically 1/5 size of a text message pays dividends. True :) DG> However, when it comes to TB, usable IMAP is far more important to me DG> than anything to do with HTML. If we want to talk about unusable IMAP, DG> TB truly is without peers among MUA's that claim to support IMAP! I understand. However, virtually all the people I support do not have IMAP as an option, nor is it desirable in most instances. Everyone has different priorities. In spite of all of its shortcomings, TBird is a far better fit for my priorities right now than TB!. All of us are stating our priorities and wishes in the hopes that they will be taken into consideration by RITLabs as they continue to develop TB!. -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Paul Van Noord wrote: I'm curious. What do you say to the people who have a dead 2 year-old who strangled himself by pressing the up button on the window with his knee because his dad forgot to set the window lock? First I'd ask why the 2 year old wasn't secured in a child seat while the car was powered on. And then I'd say the analogy is being carried to ridiculous lengths. Remote images in HTML emails don't quite have the capacity to kill young children. They might let a spammer know your email address is valid, but that's quite a different matter. We're simply talking about building software that will allow the end user options as to how best the software can suit his/her needs. We're talking about letting the end user have the control, instead of the software manufacturer taking on a Microsoft-like "We know what is best for you" attitude. Granted, there are many end users who will not know the ramifications of their choices. Buy why should my computing experience be diminished or made more inconvenient for no reason other than to prevent the stupid users from screwing things up? -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: What fascinates me is all these newcomers come on here singing the praises of all these other crap email clients but they still want to use The Bat, why? If TB! doesn't do what they want it to do and Poco or Thunderbird does then use that and join the relevant list and you can send html all day long without anyone moaning! In some areas, TB! is as good as it gets. In other areas it is lacking. I would love to use TB for the things it is good at, but the areas where it sucks (particulary IMAP) prevent me from using it at all. Is there something wrong with wanting a good email client to be better? As for adding features that you and some others may not want, do you presently use every single feature TB has to offer? If not, why aren't you screaming for removal of what you consider unnecessary features? -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: An error occurred while reading the message base (IMAP)
Allie Martin said the following on 04/14/2005 15:07: When some of the other bugs have been ironed out of this beta series, I will start beta testing again. This is my current position, though this position may be worsening as I get more acquainted, through Mulberry, with what a fully functional and implemented IMAP protocol can offer. TB! has some way to go. Ditto to everything Allie said. Since the advent of v3, I have quit using TB! altogether as I'm not going to pay another license fee for a product which has not improved one bit since my previous license fee. I have followed TBBETA in hopes of someday returning to TB! when IMAP problems are repaired. However as I've grown more accustomed to TBird (while it may be lacking in many respects, it does IMAP smoothly and reliably -- like Allie, that is my priority), I'm beginning to think I have probably left TB! behind permanently. Interesting comments about Mulberry, Allie. I tried it once for a while but didn't feel as comfortable with it as with TBird. Maybe I'll have to give it another try. -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.9.15 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
--On Tuesday, May 31, 2005 23:44 +0800 Ming Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 5. Universal Template Manager > > IMO, current template organization of TB is quit confusing. Each folder has its > own template, each AB entry has its template, each account has its template and > there is also the QTs. It's hard to remember what folder/account/contact a > single QT or template is belong to. Please look at the Foxmail. It has a > Universal Template manager. You can define your template in it. And in each > account property, you can simply specify which template it should use. How very limiting and non-versatile. TB!'s multi-tiered template capabilities is probably the thing I miss most about TB! since moving to IMAP (and subsequently using other MUA's until TB's IMAP is satisfactory). I absolutely hate being stuck with account-wide templates and only one template per account. Everything else I have learned to work around or live without, but TB!'s templates (along with its extensive macros) are the thing that keeps me watching the TB! lists and monitoring its IMAP progress. -- Dave Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
--On Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:16 -0500 Dave Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And before I get trouted -- I apologize for the HTML use. I had it turned on as my default as HTML use was necessary for several emails I was composing for work. I have chastised myself severely. (Who would have thought I would be into that sort of thing anyway...?) -- Dave Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT Dave Gorman (was: Re: The most un-obvious things)
--On Wednesday, June 01, 2005 18:37 +0100 Liz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PS Id ask you about the Dave Gorman hunt thing that went on 2 years back and so on but, Im sure you heard it so much you wanna puke During the time the major search was going on, I didn't have much of an online presence. Only occasionally does someone ask about it. I IM'd with *THE* Dave Gorman early in his search, before his trip to New York City. However, living where I do about in the geographical center of the USA (Western Iowa), it wasn't feasible for him to travel to meet me. Someone gave me the book for Christmas a couple years back and I enjoyed it. If I ever make it to England, I'll have to look him up... -- Dave Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT Dave Gorman (was: Re: The most un-obvious things)
--On Wednesday, June 01, 2005 19:23 +0100 Liz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I followed the TV program he made a fair bit, just because I found it really interesting.. I once applied for a job in a company my mother worked for, I heard nothing.. My mother asked what happened, my surname at the time was Kimber, another Liz Kimber had gotten the job! The odds of that are quite slim, there arent tons of Kimbers, let alone living in that kinda area, doing that kinda job. That does seem extremely unlikely! Personally I've never met another Dave Gorman. In fact, I've never met any Gormans outside of my extended family. There are only a handful of Gormans in the area where I live, none of which I'm related to, but I've never had occasion to meet any of them. -- Dave Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP question
--On Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:58 -0500 Stuart Cuddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone explain how to get my IMAP folders to be folders on the > same level as Inbox, rather than becoming subfolders. On some servers this is not possible -- the Inbox is like the root and all other folders are subfolders of the Inbox. For instance, my IMAP account at work is like this, using Courier IMAP as the server. However, my personal accounts on my own server (MDaemon) allow me to create folders at the same level as the Inbox. -- Dave Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
how long to unsubscribe?
Yesterday I sent TBBETA & TBUDL unsubscribe requests to the address in the headers. I am still receiving list mail. How long does it usually take for unsubscribe requests to be completed? -- Dave Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP & Sent Mail
Sunday, February 15, 2004, 5:26:18 PM, you wrote: >> Folder must exist on server - assigning it in The Bat isn't enough > The folder does exist on the server. Works fine from my home computer > -- and works fine with Becky on both my home and work computers. Furthermore, on my work computer (which I am presently at), I have 3 IMAP accounts. 2 save sent messages to the IMAP sent folder as instructed, 1 account does not. That account does not save sent messages *anywhere*, they are simply gone. I have tried deselecting the setting to use the IMAP sent folder so it would use a local sent folder instead. Sent messages are not copied to a local sent folder either. I really need to resolve this ASAP as keeping sent messages for the account in question is crucial. Any ideas? -- Dave Using The Bat! v2.04 RC/2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.03 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Message Finder
Hello Markus, Friday, February 20, 2004, 8:58:13 AM, you wrote: > I use your latest build 2.04.04 and cannot use the message finder > anymore. > Everytime I try to seek something within my messages, my Bat freezes > and must be closed the hard way by "Ctrl+Alt+Del". On the computer I am at presently I have no problem. On my computer at home I too am unable to use message finder. -- Dave Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Search / Virtual Folder
Hello 9Val, Saturday, March 27, 2004, 3:44:21 PM, you wrote: DG>> on the "Filter" tab, I select "Auto Synchronize". The folder is DG>> created at the bottom of my folder tree, but it is empty. I can find DG>> no way to manually sync it. What am I missing? > For manual synchronization press ESC Still nothing. Maybe it doesn't work with IMAP? -- Dave Using The Bat! v2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.05 beta 12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The ultimate IMAP solution (for me)
Hello Mark, Thursday, May 27, 2004, 5:28:21 PM, you wrote: > I DO NOT NEED OR WANT IMAP AT THIS MOMENT. Fine. Don't read IMAP-related threads. Your lack of interest or need of IMAP doesn't mean others should refrain from discussing it, or be asked to identify themselves as nags for discussing a feature they consider crucial. I'm not the least bit interested in smilies. I quickly skip over the 30 million or so emails about smilies. No big deal. -- Dave Using The Bat! v2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.11 Beta/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Inbox count
Hello Martin, Wednesday, June 9, 2004, 11:11:33 AM, you wrote: > When messages are received and automatically filtered to another folder > the Inbox message count includes the moved messages. The status of the > phantom messages is unread. Moreover, when you select another folder the > Inbox count is displayed correctly until opened again. > The only way to cleat this is to Mark All Messages Read. > Anyone confirm? Confirmed. -- Dave Using The Bat! v2.11.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.11.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 is now available
Hello Stefan, Tuesday, June 15, 2004, 6:44:47 PM, you wrote: > The option to have multiple connections to the IMAP server will be > introduced in some 2.12 Beta soon Great news! Thanks!! -- Dave Using The Bat! v2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Strange display glitch, beta 6
Friday, July 2, 2004, 12:59:39 PM, I wrote: > Ctrl-right arrow to choose new message > 2-6 seconds for initial message display (seems slower overall than B1) > 2-6 additional seconds for header bar to be populated and attachments > to be displayed properly (initially picture attachments are displayed > as gibberish code under the sig, like when viewing source, then after > 2-6 seconds they display properly as attachment tabs). Well, I tried B1 before realizing B7 was out. However, the initial fetch in B1 is not slower after all, still about 2-6 seconds per message. However, the second step of 2-6 seconds for the message to display properly. This is continuing with B7 > Now I'm off to restore B1 so I can use the dispatcher! And the dispatcher works fine with B7! -- :Dave_Gorman: Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! v3 pricing and availability info
Maxim Masiutin wrote: The Bat! 3.0 version is due to be released on September 1, 2004. I'll pass on the upgrade. IMAP still doesn't work properly in the last official release (spontaneous TB shutdowns, numerous exception errors, flaky filtering, flaky syncing). I certainly can't justify paying for another upgrade when the last one I paid for still doesn't function properly. Thunderbird is starting to look quite good to me now. There are most certainly things about TB I will miss, but I won't miss the constant crashes and unexpected behavior for which apparently I will have to pay again in order to maybe someday hopefully have the problems rectified... -- Dave Current beta is 3.00 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Status Report on the Christmas Edition of The Bat
Copying to TBOT as this seems to be thoroughly off-topic... Alexander Leschinsky wrote: Mahogany Sylpheed-Claws Mozilla Thunderbird Gnus Evolution ... even fresh KMail Thanks for the list. Now that I have a working installation of Mandrake 10.1 (as long as I don't reboot...), I'll give these a try as IMAP clients. I've been using TBird on Windows and so far on my Linux box because it's the best Windows IMAP client I could find. I've given KMail a try this morning. Try as I might, I seem to be unable to subscribe to my IMAP account's Inbox. Not a good sign... -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Status Report on the Christmas Edition of The Bat
AC Martin said the following on 12/15/2004 11:29: I thought the figure was more than 200,000 for Linux users. That's depressing. :) And how is this tally of Linux users compiled? I'm using Linux on one of my boxes and don't know of any way that counter would know I'm using Linux. -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
Cees said the following on 02/16/2005 15:31: I NEVER understood the use or advantage of IMAP in the first place. Why doesn't everybody just stick to POP3. I don't understand why everyone wants to use computers in the first place. Why can't everyone just use pencil and paper? -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
Mary Bull said the following on 02/16/2005 16:01: On Wednesday, February 16, 2005, 3:46 PM, you wrote: I NEVER understood the use or advantage of IMAP in the first place. Why doesn't everybody just stick to POP3. I don't understand why everyone wants to use computers in the first place. Why can't everyone just use pencil and paper? :rofl: Cees is sort of new--at least, that's my impression. There are a number of reasons that people use IMAP. Allie has discussed them here and on TBOT. My apologies to Cees. Sarcasm is too often my initial reaction! Usually I catch myself before hitting "Send", but I couldn't resist my own dark nature this time. :) -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
Cees said the following on 02/16/2005 16:30: AM> In a nutshell, IMAP allows you to seamlessly manage your mail from AM> multiple machines. Despite working from different machines, all mail AM> is still at a single location, i.e., on the IMAP server. Webmail AM> achieves a similar effect, but with WebMail, you can't work with AM> clients like TB!. I love the way you can explain things, you're very good at that! But.. to me this sounds just like the feature to "not delete messages at the server", so that you can indeed access your mail from various locations. I can understand that impression, however it's not at all the same. With IMAP, you are accessing the same full mailbase from any location -- not just incoming messages, but the entire folder structure complete with sent messages. I often need to go back into my sent messages archives to research communications with clients. With IMAP, I can do this from home, or the office, or from anywhere. With POP3, the only awkward workaround for this is cc'ing myself on every message I send. Additionally, having the same message archive with the same folder structure available at any time from any location makes it much more convenient than trying to use a single POP3 mailbox from multiple locations. And with webmail access to the same mailbase, I don't even need to be on one of my own computers to access the same information. -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
Goncalo Farias wrote: DG> multiple locations. And with webmail access to the same mailbase, DG> I don't even need to be on one of my own computers to access the DG> same information. If you're not using your computer you can't really be sure that you'll have access to a mail client with IMAP, are you? Furthermore, can't even tell if you're going to use TB! at all! :) Re-read what I wrote: "And with *WEBMAIL ACCESS* to the same mailbase, I don't even need to be on one of my own computers to access the same information." Although Allie brought up good points as well about this. -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Inbox - known question
Cees said the following on 02/17/2005 13:05: don't know if this is off-topic but something's nagging I still can't figure out what the use is for the 'inbox - known' folder. Can anyone please explain that to me? Allie? Private or on the list, you decide. If you make the pre-installed filter active, all email from addresses in your Address Book will be filtered to your "Inbox - Known" folder. Remember that filters are processed in order, so the order of the filter can make a big difference. -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: BUG AGAIN: [Windows+m] doesn't minimize
Thursday, April 4, 2002, 9:53:19 AM, Marek wrote: > Hello, this problem was already reported, I don't know, if was > confirmed. User reported me this problem on Windows NT 5.0 and > TB 1.60c. All other programs work. Win-M fails to minimize TB! *only* when "Do not display program icon on the Task Bar" is selected in Options. It has been this way in every version of TB! that I have used. -- Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.60 RC/2 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Softimage is JavaScriptable, even Photoshop lately, why not Bat?:)
Friday, December 6, 2002, 3:45:32 PM, MaXxX wrote: > Does anyone here second my opinion Yes!! -- Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 1.62b16 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: separate options for autocomplete of addresses and subjects
Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 7:52:45 AM, Gene wrote: >> I would like to suggest to have 2 separate options for autocomplete >>of e-mail addresses and subject lines. Agreed. > Yes! Also the ability to search the nickname or handle only for auto > complete of address. This has been long requested both formally and > in this forum. Agreed again. -- Dave Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 1.62b17 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6
Friday, February 7, 2003, 9:40:30 AM, Gene wrote: > The majority of the mail I receive is HTML and not having the > ability to properly handle it in BAT is a real problem In what way doesn't TB! "properly handle it"? I've never had a problem reading an HTML email in TB!. -- Dave Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 1.63b4 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
