Re: 10.4.0.9

[Jay Walker]

Hi all,

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 11:38 AM Zygmunt Wereszczynski 
wrote:

> On Friday, July 7, 2023, at 19:11:34 [UTC+0300] (Friday, July 7, 2023
> 18:11 my local time) Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote:
>
> > Version 10.4.0.9 is now available from
>
> The bug in scheduler appeared in 10.4 version and still continues.
> Scheduled events are executed only if The Bat! is running. Missed events
> are completely ignored even they are marked to execute.
>
> The bug is described and confirmed in
> https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2247.
>

Yes, postponed sending has become largely a crapshoot... almost useless and
risky at best.

'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: Re: TB10 address book

[Jay Walker]

Hi George,

I am glad that the process you described works for you... even if the need
to "press Enter" is a bit unusual, given that the red Delete button never
changes to a green Check button (as happens for other fields). But...

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:55 PM Георгий, Белрус  wrote:

Anyway, I don't have a problems with new look of it.
>

I was not commenting on or questioning the "look of it". In terms of
appearance, the new address book is adequate... arguably more attractive
than the previous one. My concern was purely in respect to functionality.
In that respect, this new address book is... well, let's just say,
unfriendly (although other more spicy adjectives do spring to mind).😀

Anyway, as you feel this topic regarding the address book (a basic feature
of any email client) is inappropriate for the Beta forum, let's not waste
any more time on the subject. Either Ritlabs will improve the new address
book or it won't. But perhaps until such time that the new address book
actually works as it should (for everybody) - in other words, users don't
end up wasting a lot of time trying to do basic things - it might be a good
idea to let the app default to the old address book and let the new one be
optional for testing. Just my opinion... but thanks for trying to help with
my issue.

-- 
jaywalker
Windows 10 Pro
The Bat! Pro 9.5.1 (64-bit) OTFE

'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: TB10 address book

[Jay Walker]

Hi Marck

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:59 PM Marck Pearlstone 
wrote:


> This was my solution to any new address book issues, adopted very early
> on. I find the new one unusable. Perhaps things have improved in it since
> its first introduction, but it was so unworkable I haven't risked looking
> at it since.
>

Wow! Thanks... much appreciate it... that is an excellent solution, and
just what I was wishing I could do.😀
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jaywalker
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The Bat! Pro 9.5.1 (64-bit) OTFE

'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: Re: TB10 address book

[Jay Walker]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:18 PM Георгий, Белрус  wrote:

> Open address book - find your contact - click on it - press green plus
> symbol near "add email", add email, press Enter
>
With all due respect, George, have you actually tried doing that? I have
tried it on 2 different computers, and clicking that green Plus icon simply
doesn't work. FWIW, if you want an even more complex task, try re-ordering
the email addresses for an existing contact. 😀

Anyway, after toying with this for over 30 minutes I have finally found a
way to get the desired results. But the process is hellacious, and I won't
bother to write it all down.

-- 
jaywalker
Windows 10 Pro
The Bat! Pro 9.5.1 (64-bit) OTFE

'Using TBBETA' information:
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TB10 address book

[Jay Walker]

Hi all,

Could someone explain to me how to add an email address to an existing
contact in the TB10 address book. On Ritlabs.com, the instructions all
relate to the previous... less snazzy but much more convenient... address
book. In TB10 it's not at all clear to me how to edit an existing contact.

-- 
jaywalker
Windows 10 Pro
The Bat! Pro 9.5.1 (64-bit) OTFE

'Using TBBETA' information:
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So what's new?

[Jay Walker]

Hi all,

Just a bit of feedback...Probably it's just me, but over the last 5 major
versions (or thereabouts) I haven't seen much significant change in TB. And
that is really fine with me, because the modest improvements that have been
made were (for me) quite necessary. And, no question about it, TB is still
my preferred email client. It just works, and I like that. But, sad to say,
the implementation of new "features" generally seems somewhat lackadaisical.

For example OAUTH was needed; and, yes, it does work. But with probably no
more than a single additional line of code I could have been spared several
days of hassle and hair-pulling. Was it not easy to set "@gmail.com" as a
default when only a username is given without the "@gmail.com"... something
that always worked quite well for regular authentication? Or if that was
not possible, could I not have received some warning that a username
without the "@" string is unacceptable?

As for this 10.x series, the only thing that jumps out at me is a new icon
that seems to have only been partially implemented. If there is going to be
a new icon for the TB exe, then should there not also be a new flapping-bat
icon when there is unread mail? And how difficult would that be to create?
Why do we still see the same old flapping bat against the former bright
yellow... the same old flapping bat from numerous, previous versions?
Frankly, I was good with the old TB icon. And, though I am not much
enamored with the TB10 icon, I could learn to like it if it did not grate
on my nerves seeing its form morph into the old bat.

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'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: Gmail SMTP

[Jay Walker]

Hi Miguel

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 2:13 PM MAU  wrote:

Which was the sorce of the problem?
>

It was related to the email address. TB's OAUTH does not seem to work with
Gmail if "@gmail.com" is omitted (though that worked fine before). So, for
example, if the email address is x...@gmail.com, it was sufficient to log in
as user:"xyz". But with TB's OAUTH, now it seems one must log in as user: "
x...@gmail.com".


> I would really like to be able to re-order that list, because the accounts
> I generally use for that purpose are now located toward the end of the list
> rather than the top of it.
>
> On the account/folder tree, Alt+click on the account you wish to move up
> or down, and drag it to the desired position. To make it easier, collapse
> all accounts first, so you don't have to navigate through all folders of
> any account.
>
> Anyway, when I click on a file and select Send to: The Bat!, I don't get a
> list of accounts, the message editor just opens  and the account defaults
> to whichever account is marked as "This accounts is the default for
> "mailto" URLs" in Account/Properties/General. I do get a list of accounts
> if none is marked this way.
>
As I prefer not to set a default mailto address, I always get a list of
possible accounts to use (which is most convenient for me). Long ago that
list of accounts mirrored the order in my account tree (which was fine),
but now it is not in that order (for reasons I don't know). In any event,
it is the list of accounts in the "Select the Account" dialog box that I
want to re-order. But I find no way to do that.

-
jaywalker
Windows 10 Pro
The Bat! Pro 9.5.1 (64-bit) OTFE

'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Gmail SMTP

[Jay Walker]

Hi all,

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:22 AM Thomas Fernandez ML 
wrote:

> We care. At least, I do. However, I could not replicate your problem, I
> have mo problem using Gmail. Let's hope it stays that way after 30 May.
>

Thanks, Thomas.  This was the second time I asked what for me was an
interesting question and received no reply here. And, yes, everything is
sorted out now that I discovered and corrected the somewhat simple but
unexpected source of the problem. I anticipate that TB will now continue to
work with Gmail for me even after May 30. But the other problem remains...
has never been sorted out. This has to do with the list of accounts (I have
many) that comes up when right-clicking a file and using Send to: The Bat!.
I would really like to be able to re-order that list, because the accounts
I generally use for that purpose are now located toward the end of the list
rather than the top of it. But perhaps I am alone in having this problem or
wish.

-- 
jaywalker
Windows 10 Pro
The Bat! Pro 9.5.1 (64-bit) OTFE

'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Gmail SMTP

[Jay Walker]

Hi all

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 4:07 PM Jay Walker  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 5:34 PM Jay Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> Until now I've used Gmail with "less secure apps", and that worked fine
>> for me. Now, under the gun so to speak, I have disabled "less secure apps"
>> and set up OAUTH authentication. And this works fine for me when checking
>> my mail (POP3).
>>
>
> Correction. The POP3 only seems to work. But even that does not work,
> because no messages are ever retrieved.
>

Problem solved. Forget I asked... not that anyone seemed to care. :)

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'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: Gmail SMTP

[Jay Walker]

Hi all,

On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 5:34 PM Jay Walker  wrote:

> Until now I've used Gmail with "less secure apps", and that worked fine
> for me. Now, under the gun so to speak, I have disabled "less secure apps"
> and set up OAUTH authentication. And this works fine for me when checking
> my mail (POP3).
>

Correction. The POP3 only seems to work. But even that does not work,
because no messages are ever retrieved.
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'Using TBBETA' information:
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Gmail SMTP

[Jay Walker]

I know everyone has probably heard this many times and figured it all out.
But I'm not finding the solution, and I am stumped for days.

Until now I've used Gmail with "less secure apps", and that worked fine for
me. Now, under the gun so to speak, I have disabled "less secure apps" and
set up OAUTH authentication. And this works fine for me when checking my
mail (POP3). But, try what I may, I cannot send mail via SMTP. My current
settings are:

SMTP Server: smtp.gmail.com
Connection: Secure to Dedicated port (TLS) (have also tried Regular and
StartTLS)
Port: 465
Authentication: Tried them all, but none seem to work

I keep getting error messages like: WantAuthError or warnings about "no
compatible authentication mechanisms detected".

Sorry to trouble you all... I know the focus is on TB10... but I could
really use some help here. What am I doing wrong or not doing right?
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'Using TBBETA' information:
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Reordering the account list

[Jay Walker]

Under Preferences>>Address history, there is a list of accounts. That list
of accounts corresponds exactly to the list presented with a "send to The
Bat!" command, the mailto: order. Hence, it would be useful to be able to
reorder the list. Is there any way to do that?

-- 
jaywalker
Windows 10 Pro
The Bat! Pro 9.4.3.1 (64-bit) OTFE

'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Unwanted sound

[Jay Walker]

Hi Gwen and Thomas,

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 3:35 PM Thomas Fernandez 
wrote:

> Hello Gwen,
>
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 13:11:18 +0200 GMT (22-Jun-20, 18:11 +0700 GMT),
> Gwen wrote:
>
> > Fixed in 9.2.0.5
>
> Confirmed.
>

Also confirmed. Thnks, Stefan.

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'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: Unwanted sound

[Jay Walker]

Hi Daniel

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 4:23 AM Daniel van Rooijen  wrote:

> See https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/tips-and-tricks/3831/#msg_editor


Thanks for the link. It is very helpful. Would have been easier to find if
the page
had somewhere mentioned "MicroEd". So one would naturally assume that these
commands are common for both MicroEd and the HTML Editor... but they are
not.
It seems that they probably only work with MicroEd. Perhaps those
instructions
were written before TB offered any substantial HTML support. Okay, less of
a black
hole now. But where can I configure things like sound confirmations or
whatever
that noise is when I press Alt+L or C or R? Maybe someone would want that?
Or
maybe it is just a bug, because the Ctrl commands seem to work silently.

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jaywalker
Windows 10 Pro
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'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: Unwanted sound

[Jay Walker]

Hello Gwen,

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 5:41 PM Gwen  wrote:

> Did you had reported the bug to https://bt.ritlabs.com/
> If yes, please give us the link so we can confirm.
>

No, Gwen, I have not reported a bug. Frankly, I was not even sure it is a
bug
until just now. For all I knew, it was just a problem on my computer or it
could
even have been by intent. I very much like MicroEd, but almost everything
about it is a black hole for me. Like I implied in my original message,
there is
hardly any documentation regarding the editor... list of keyboard
commands?...
any settings (beyond that inadequate page under Preferences)? IMO, much
more could have and perhaps should have been done with this feature of TB.

-- 
jaywalker
Windows 10 Pro
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'Using TBBETA' information:
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Unwanted sound

[Jay Walker]

Hi all,

For some time I have noticed that every time I use Alt-L in MicroEd to
reset the flow of a paragraph, the Windows system sound (Windows
Background.wav) plays. This is quite annoying. The Alt-L command works as
expected, but the sound suggests there is a problem of some sort... and it
is just irritating to hear each time. Can that sound be disabled inside TB?
Is there a setting/preference to accomplish that? (And, by the way, where
does one find a list of current keyboard commands for MicroEd?)

-- 
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Windows 10 Pro
The Bat! Pro 9.2.0.4 (64-bit) OTFE

'Using TBBETA' information:
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Switching to OAUTH

[Jay Walker]

Hi all,

Sorry, but I have not been testing TB9. But I do have a problem with TB8
that seems to persist in TB9. Does anyone have a step-by-step process for
switching from access to Gmail over POP3 regular authentication to Gmail
with OAUTH authentication? When I make the switch under Transport option to
OAUTH (using Web Browser), all seems to go well up to the point where I
need to confirm that I will allow TB to access the account. At that point
the Allow button in the TB browser is grayed out. Clicking it does not
work. To make matters worse, when I revert to regular authentication, Gmail
responds with "-ERR [AUTH] Username and password not accepted". Is this a
bug, or am I just doing it wrong?

Much thanks for any help.

-- 
jaywalker
Windows 10 Pro
The Bat! Pro 8.8.9 (64-bit) OTFE

'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: 8.6.0.3

[Jay Walker]

Hi Luko

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:52 PM Lüko Willms  wrote:

>Such a global change should be possible to make by one stroke for the
> more than one address at the time
>

That would be convenient. But I don't see any way to do it. I'm not even
sure on what level that information is stored. It doesn't seem to be
retained when the address book is backed up.

-- 
jaywalker
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The Bat! Pro 8.6.0.2 (64-bit) OTFE

 Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: 8.6.0.3

[Jay Walker]

Hi Viktor

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 6:29 PM Viktor Kabelac 
wrote:

> Just from reading your problem description and the original issue - it
> seems to me that the secondary e-mail addresses are only being "dug up" if
> the option "Automatically add secondary addresses to the following field"
> of the contact is set. And the default value of this field seems to be
> "don't add".
> So by default no secondary mail addresses should be dug up from anywhere.
> => Does that happen for you even if this field is not set - or do you have
> that field set and want to have secondary addresses used - but for new
> messages only, not for replies, forwards etc?
>

Thanks very much for that information. I had a look at my Address Book, and
it seems that all of my Address Book entries have the setting to
"Automatically add secondary addresses to the [BCC] field". I don't know if
this is a setting that I ever consciously made. I don't think so. But it is
a fact that the secondary (sometimes obsolete) addresses did get added to
the BCC field. So changing that setting to "Don't add" will probably
resolve the issue. I will need to make a few hundred changes before I can
try out 8.6.0.3 again. :)
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jaywalker
Windows 10 Pro
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 Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: 8.6.0.3

[Jay Walker]

Hi Maxim

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:44 PM Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA <
tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com> wrote:

> The Bat! 8.6.0.3 (BETA) is available at
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8603-32.rar
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8603-64.rar
>
> What's new in 8.6.0.3 since 8.6.0.2:
> [-] (#0001540) Contacts' Secondary addresses are not used for
> replying/forwarding
>

I don't understand why #0001540 was considered a problem, but I find the
new behavior so annoying that I have reverted to 8.6.0.2.

The problem for me is that I have multiple email addresses, and so do many
of the people I correspond with. Every time I reply to an email in 8.6.0.3,
TB digs up all of those other email addresses and adds them to the
recipient list. This unwanted behavior overrides my templates and results
in several copies of the same email going out to my recipients as well as
copies of the same email coming back to me (at the very least a waste of
bandwidth). The earlier process was direct and discrete... only the one,
intended recipient email account received my reply; and my reply was
automatically stored in the appropriate Sent folder of TB.

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jaywalker
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 Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Sent Mail Remaining in Outbox

[Jay Walker]

One more issue - don't know if others have it - is that when I send a
message with a CC, it often remains in the Outbox after being
successfully sent.

This takes place in 5.0.18.1. I cannot say for sure whether it happens
in 5.0.18.2, because I had to revert after 18.2 created some
problematic distortion in my filters.

-- 
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Windows XP Pro SP3
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Re: 5.0.18.2 - WARNING

[Jay Walker]

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Tony Hoare  wrote:

> Some of my filters have conditions which filter by sender ONLY have had
> the sender value blanked out and therefore the filter matches all
> senders.

I can confirm that 5.0.18.2 broke my filters in a bizarre fashion,
necessitating
reversion to 5.0.18.1 (which, fortunately, works fairly well for me...
except for
the unsightly, huge tooltips).

-- 
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Windows XP Pro SP3
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Re: The Bat! 5.0.8.1 (BETA)

[Jay Walker]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Rick  wrote:

> That error when trying to associate file types with the Bat when loading 
> should really be fixed. That is not a good one for new users
>
> ---
> Configure file & protocol handling
> ---
> Some of extensions/protocols could not be associated.
> It is possible you do not have access rights to do that or
> some software prevents you from that. It was not possible to associate with:
>
> .EML  (message files in RFC-822 format)
> ---

Not just new users. It is very irritating for some old users as well.
I am a case in point. And one other thing that irritates me greatly
are the huge tool tips every time I click Receive Mail or Send Mail. I
don't find any way to disable them or to make them smaller as they
used to be.

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Re: 12(1)

[Jay Walker]

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:44 PM, NetVicious  wrote:
> domingo, 18 jul 2010 at 06:45, it seems you wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Mike. But I don't find any subfolder for my Inbox.
>
> 1. Press ESC key in the folder you have the problem for refresh it.
> 2. Do a maintenance check of that folder.
> 3. Close TB! and Delete  the  TBI file with the name of the folder (it's the 
> index
> file, it will be created another time when you open TB!)

Good suggestion, NV. It might have solved the problem for some persons.

Actually I had already done everything you mention except deleting the
TB! file... which I'm not sure I would find... or find easily... in my
OTFE version. In OTFE, I think we have mysteriously named EBNs or
something like that.

Fortunately, I managed to solve the problem - quite unexpectedly - by:

1. Right-clicking the Inbox
2. Clicking New and then Folder
3. Clicking Cancel in the Create A New Folder dialogue box

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Re: 12(1)

[Jay Walker]

Problem solved... mysteriously.

I right-clicked the Inbox and clicked New and then Folder. I clicked
Cancel in the Create A New Folder dialogue box. And lo and behold the
(1) simply disappeared from the Total column for my Inbox. I guess
that was part of Ian's "etc." :)

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Re: 12(1)

[Jay Walker]

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Ian A. White  wrote:

> The first number is the number of messages in the Inbox, and the
> second number is the number of messages in the sub-folders off the
> Inbox. If the numbers are bold, then that indicates there are unread
> messages.

Ian, thank for your help. This much I understand. (1) The number in
parentheses is related to subfolders. (2) Bold indicates unread
messages.

In this case, the (1) is not bold. But I have no idea where the
subfolder is. It does not appear in my folder tree.

> Now you say that you have no sub-folders so you need to make
> absolutely sure that nothing is hidden, virtual folders, etc.

Well, I have only two virtual folders: Recent and Flagged. Neither of
those has exactly 1 message in it.

What would the "etc." be?

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Re: 12(1)

[Jay Walker]

On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:54 PM, MikeD  wrote:

> The  number in parens is the number of unread messages in sub folders.
> So  it sounds like you have a folder in your Inbox Folder and there is
> one unread message in that sub folder.

Thanks, Mike. But I don't find any subfolder for my Inbox.

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12(1)

[Jay Walker]

Okay, while we are waiting for a new version of TB to talk about,
maybe someone can answer a small question for me.

In my list of folders I see the total for my inbox is 12(1). My
question is what does the "(1)" mean? If I delete all of the messages
in my inbox, then the total appears as "0(1)". 1 what? My Inbox has no
subfolders that I am aware of.

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Re: Mail ticker..

[Jay Walker]

On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 3:46 PM, Foster, Graham  wrote:
> Where has the option gone to change the vile green text colour in the
> mail ticker gone. You can change the background - but I was convinced
> you could also change the text colour. Not in RC9 though. Anyone
> confirm it has gone (or was it my imagination?)

Going back in time... Lately I am getting messages that do not give me
green text but rather an unreadable yellowish text. Is there any
setting where one can specify a simple white font color for all
messages on the mail ticker?

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Re: New versions of The Bat!

[Jay Walker]

2010/6/14 Ian A. White :
> So I take it that The Bat! is going to move to a subscription model?

Ian, it doesn't strike me as much of a move. For just about all
practical purposes, TB licensing has been a subscription model since
v2.0. :)

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jaywalker
Windows XP Pro SP3
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Re: Did I miss the funeral?

[Jay Walker]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Dwight Corrin  wrote:
> I  have  interest  in  seeing  anyone else's email

Dwight, if that is your fetish, then perhaps you should join the FBI
or its equivalent is in your country. :)

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jaywalker
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Re: Did I miss the funeral?

[Jay Walker]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Feli Wilcke  wrote:
> I'm quite sure that TB is not the only mailclient that has a different method 
> for displaying HTML than Outlook.

Okay, but so what? All I said is that Outlook displays the HTML that I
receive much better than TB. Since you don't receive my email, I think
that I am a better authority on that subject than you are. :)

> Here in Germany all tickets I get electronically are sent as PDF attachments. 
> So the airline can be sure that the representation is as they intended.

Feli, please be kind enough to instruct Orbitz and Expedia that they
must only send their tickets as PDF attachments to TB users . :)

> Making Outlook the ultimate benchmark for HTML representation is the same as 
> it was some years ago...

Feli, if you have a better benchmark/standard than Outlook, I am all
for it. I'd like to see TB do better than Outlook, not just as good as
Outlook.

> Life is change, QED.

No argument there... except I don't think that either you or Ritlabs
earned a QED for that statement. As I see it, the fact that change is
a constant in nature merely supports my position that Ritlabs should
upgrade what is still only a somewhat primitive handling of HTML in
TB.

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jaywalker
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Re: Did I miss the funeral?

[Jay Walker]

It seems to me that there is no argument that the HTML handling of TB
has great scope for improvement. On this thread alone, several persons
have reported problems, and the most that anyone has said about TB
HTML handling is that it is "sufficient" (for him). No one has said
that the handling of HTML is "good", much less "great".

Look, I receive electronic plane tickets that I even hesitate to read
in TB. I certainly would never print them from TB. Yes, there is a
workaround. I can open them in my Web browser and then read them and
print them from there. But when I get those same plane tickets on my
WinMo phone, they look much better in Outlook. It's not just missing
embedded graphics here. Font sizes and font weights are distorted in
TB. Table borders get lost in TB. Graphics and hypertext that are
hidden in the browser appear as empty boxes and indecipherable symbols
in TB.

So I think we can agree to disagree on the amount of HTML support that
is required by TB. But, as I see it, HTML-based email is a fact of
life. Everyone gets some. And TB could provide a lot better support
for HTML. Yes, I know that this has been discussed many times over the
years. I know - and respect - the preference of this community for
plain-text email. I share that preference. But I also recognize that,
my preference aside, I do receive important HTML mail. And I get
frustrated by the fact that TB leaves me confused and uncertain when
viewing HTML documents that I must rely on.

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Re: Did I miss the funeral?

[Jay Walker]

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Feli Wilcke  wrote:
> As for the comparison between HTMLrendering in outlook and TB: I have
> one account running in both MUA and cannot see there any major
> difference. For me, TB's HTML rendering is sufficient.

I have no idea what is MUA (make-up artist?), but "sufficient" is a
relative term. What is sufficient for you may be very insufficient for
others. Someone also suggested that HTML is not email and that we
should just open a message in Firefox if we want to see the HTML.
Perhaps that is "sufficient" for him/her. But, once again, it might
also be very insufficient for someone else. Personally, I rarely use
HTML; but when I do need it, then TB is a relatively poor tool for
both creating and viewing messages... in my opinion.

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jaywalker
Windows XP Pro SP3
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Re: Re[2]: Did I miss the funeral?

[Jay Walker]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Marek Mikus  wrote:
> seriously, team is finishing with new IMAP integration, but this spends much 
> time, because a lot of other code needs to be changed.

I see. Thanks for the clarification. Seriously.

> BTW I do not know, what You think about HTML support, what are You missing in 
> version 4?

Hard to specify. But HTML in TB never looks nearly as good as it does
in other apps. And it always seems to be missing pieces of the
pages... links, graphics, or whatever. Maybe it's something in my
settings. But as I still prefer plain text, I never worried  much
about it. Just something I notice when I am obliged to look at the
HTML that I receive.

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jaywalker
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Re: Did I miss the funeral?

[Jay Walker]

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Rick  wrote:
> Nope - we are all waiting for the next release with some major enhancements. 
> :)

Well, Rick, I don't know if you are serious. That smiley is somewhat
confusing. But, if you are serious, could you maybe outline some of
the major enhancements. For example, in 5.0 will there be HTML and
IMAP support?

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jaywalker
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Re: Did I miss the funeral?

[Jay Walker]

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Roelof Otten  wrote:
>> Just had a look in here after a long absence. Seems awfully quiet. Did
>> the old bat die?
>
> No recent betas and that diminishes the flow.

I understand. But is anything in the works? I looked and didn't see a
hint of things to come. Hence I wondered if TB is dead.

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Did I miss the funeral?

[Jay Walker]

Just had a look in here after a long absence. Seems awfully quiet. Did
the old bat die?

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 Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: msg base destroyed on update to 4.1

[Jay Walker]

On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz
 wrote:

> I just upgraded to 4.1: Got the message that the message base was being 
> converted. Right after that, The Bat displayed the message "older version's 
> index files found. It looks like an older version of 

> Now whenever I start TB, this message pops up again after a few minutes.

> What have I done wrong and how can I fix this?

Carsten, you did not do anything wrong. For me also - on two computers
- the upgrade of the mail foder index files was buggy. Fortunately, it
is very easy thing to fix manually.

All that you have to do is to check ALL of the directories where your
mail is stored (typically in your program directory or somewhere under
Documents and Settings) and delete any old index files that you find.
Under OTFE, delete the EBI files (leaving only the EBN files if they
are there). Without OTFE, also delete the old index files (I forget
the extension just now), and leave the new index files. You can tell
the difference by the date on the file - the old index files will be
older. :)

That's it. The next time you launch TB, you will not get any warning
about old index files, and everything should run smoothly - at least
as smoothly as before.

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jaywalker
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Re: Problem installing v4.1.5

[Jay Walker]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Robin Anson
 wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 at 09:07:21 +1100, I wrote:
>> I downloaded the latest version from the Ritlabs download page, v 4.1.5 and
>> installed it over my v 4.0.38. It seemed to install correctly, and it
>> correctly updated 4 of my 5 accounts. However one account seemed to have
>> lost all the old mails and only have the ones downloaded with this latest
>> version.
>>
>> Each time I started TB! I also got an error message saying something like it
>> had found old index files and that this seemed to indicated an older version
>> had been run since the new version had been installed. I'm afraid I can't
>> remember the exact wording.

I tried to installing 4.1.5 on two computers - one with OTFE and one
without OTFE. In both cases, I got the same problem as described here.
I cannot say whether this was fixed in 4.1.7; however, the solution is
quite easy, if a bit tedious. All that you have to do is to check ALL
of the directories where your mail is store (typically in your program
directory or somewhere under Documents and Settings) and delete the
old index files. Under OTFE, delete the EBI files (leaving only the
EBN files if they are there). Without OTFE, also delete the old index
files (I forget the extension just now), and leave the new index
files. You can tell the difference by the date on the file - the old
index files will be older. :)

That's it. The next time you launch TB, you will not get any warning
about old index files, and hopefully everything will run smoothly.

-- 
jaywalker
Windows XP Pro SP3
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 Current beta is 4.1.7.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: Safe OTFE Upgrade and Cleanup?

[Jay Walker]

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:57 PM, NetVicious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On  the  current  ALPHAs  Ritlabs did a mailbase format change. In the
> firsts  ALPHAs  TB!  detects the old format and asks for conversion. I
> don't remember which ALPHA was the first.

Thanks, but I don't think that this applies in my case. I have never
been prompted for a conversion.

So maybe the corrupted folders and lost messages issue I had with
4.0.38 was due to unusual and one-time factors. I'll try using the
4.0.38 TB exe again.

By the way, does anyone know if my clean-up process - basically,
getting rid of everything but the current EBB and EBI files in MailPwd
subfolders is legitimate? If so, then perhaps there should be a
utility that does this sort of thing automatically. I managed to
recover over well over 1Gb of space in that fashion. This makes any
space recovery that I could accomplish with the TB Message Base
Maintenance Centre seem almost trivial in comparison.

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Re: Safe OTFE Upgrade and Cleanup?

[Jay Walker]

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Hendrik Oesterlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   You might know that 4.0.34 had a bug in editing folder
>> properties. We have fixed that bug and and made a new version,
>> 4.0.36, available on the website.
>>
>>   There is nothing new in 4.0.36 since 4.0.34 except the bugfix above 
>> mentioned.
>>
>>   Please do not install any of these files over a beta, since these
>> files use existing message base index format, while betas use newer
>> format incompatible with the existing format. Please only install
>> 4.0.36 over non-beta 4.0.34 installations.

Thanks for the information and advice, Hendrik.

If I understand correctly, you are saying that I should have reverted
to the previous msi file rather than trying to install 4.0.38 - or
4.0.36 - over my 4.0.34.8 version.

But I don't see why that would be a problem. I think that the new
message base index format began after 4.0.34.8. Because I have not
beta tested after 4.0.34.8 - sorry, far too busy this last few months
- I have never used a version of TB that prompts me for any message
base conversion (or presumably does that without my knowledge).

-- 
jaywalker
Windows XP Pro SP3
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 Current beta is 4.0.39.30 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: Safe OTFE Upgrade and Cleanup?

[Jay Walker]

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Jay Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My two questions are:
>
>  o Is there a safe and sure way to upgrade to 4.0.38?
>
>  o Is there some way to clean up my mail folders to reduce that huge
> 1.85Gb size to something closer to the 290Mb of my backup file?

Regarding the second question, I have deleted all of the files in each
MailPwd subfolder except the EBB and the EBI file. That brought the
size of the MailPwd folder down to a much more reasonable 660Mb, and I
seem to still have all of my messages and attachments.

Assuming that what I did to clean up my mail folders is okay, now the
only question is how to safely and successfully upgrade to 4.0.38.

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 Current beta is 4.0.39.30 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Safe OTFE Upgrade and Cleanup?

[Jay Walker]

Hi,

I am using 4.034.8 OTFE. I tried to upgrade to 4.0.38 with the msi
downloaded from Ritlabs, but I lost messages and folders seemed to get
irreparably corrupted.

So I reverted to my stable 4.0.34.8 and restored from backup. But when
I look in my MailPwd folder, I see some subfolders with a large number
of files, many of which are probably backups and of no use. The size
of my current backup file with all messages and settings is 290Mb, but
the size of my MailPwd folder is 1.75Gb.

My two questions are:

  o Is there a safe and sure way to upgrade to 4.0.38?

  o Is there some way to clean up my mail folders to reduce that huge
1.85Gb size to something closer to the 290Mb of my backup file?

For reference, a sample subfolder under MailPwd  contains the following files:

MESSAGES.BCK23,822,336  01:21:44 09-03-2008
MESSAGES.BK074,178,560  01:21:44 09-03-2008
MESSAGES.BK150,307,673  01:21:44 09-03-2008
MESSAGES.BK24,096   01:21:44 09-03-2008
MESSAGES.BK34,096   01:21:44 09-03-2008
MESSAGES.BK44,096   01:21:44 09-03-2008
MESSAGES.BK54,096   01:21:44 09-03-2008
MESSAGES.BK63,743,744   15:06:42 23-11-2008
MESSAGES.BK73,736,131   15:06:42 23-11-2008
MESSAGES.EBB614,400 15:06:42 23-11-2008
MESSAGES.EBI102,400 07:39:25 26-11-2008
MESSAGES.IB01,028,096   18:40:28 21-04-2008
MESSAGES.IB120,480  18:40:28 21-04-2008
MESSAGES.IB220,480  18:40:28 21-04-2008
MESSAGES.IB320,480  18:40:28 21-04-2008
MESSAGES.IB420,480  18:40:28 21-04-2008
MESSAGES.IB520,480  18:40:28 21-04-2008
MESSAGES.IB6208,896 07:38:22 26-11-2008
MESSAGES.IB720,480  07:39:25 26-11-2008
MESSAGES.IBK2,220,032   18:34:11 21-04-2008
part0001.bin23,724,154  16:21:16 26-04-2008
part0002.bin50,206,335  16:23:52 26-04-2008
part0003.bin1,008   16:24:55 26-04-2008
part0004.bin1,008   16:25:37 26-04-2008
part0005.bin1,008   16:31:00 26-04-2008
part0006.bin1,008   16:37:33 26-04-2008
part0007.bin301 07:39:02 26-11-2008
part0008.bin3,725,753   07:48:58 26-11-2008

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 Current beta is 4.0.39.30 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: 4.0.24.13

[Jay Walker]

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Roland Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on Saturday, May 24, 2008 at 15:52 you wrote in message
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> among others:
>
>> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Livio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb402413.rar
>
>>> it does not recognize my thebat registration...
>
>> Confirmed. I am now in 30-day trial mode.
>
> With me it also doesn't open the trial version! I had to delete TheBat and to 
> install an older version new!

Sorry, Roland, I spoke too soon. The first time I tried to open TB, it
gave me the trial mode option, and I canceled out. Then I sent my
message from Gmail just assuming that I would be able to enter trial
mode and planning to do so. But when I tried to enter trial mode, I
received some sort of error and TB shut down. So, like you, I had to
revert to an earlier version.

At a guess, this problem could be connected with OTFE. In other words,
perhaps those running TB with OTFE have the issue, and those running
TB without OTFE do not have it.

In any event, my TB OTFE installation could not open the 4.0.24.13 beta.

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Re: 4.0.24.13

[Jay Walker]

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Livio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb402413.rar
>
> it does not recognize my thebat registration...

Confirmed. I am now in 30-day trial mode.

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 Current beta is 4.0.24.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: 4.0.18: Two TB! entries in Task Manager

[Jay Walker]

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Hendrik Oesterlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Ian A. White" wrote on 19/03/2008 at 19:26:53 +1100
> subject "4.0.18: Two TB! entries in Task  Manager" :
>
> > In Task Manager it is in the Applications tab.

Confirmed regarding Task Manager for Windows XP OTFE.

I do not notice any difference in behavior whether I minimize to the
Task Bar or minimize to the System Tray.

I have not seen any notice that this has been fixed in 4.0.22, or any
clear explanation why this is happening. So I have not yet tried the
newer beta releases.

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Re: The Bat! 4.0.20.3

[Jay Walker]

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Maxim Masiutin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's new in 4.0.20.3 since 4.0.20.2:
> [-] There might be a redundant square in the password prompt dialog.

Confirmed for Account Password dialog box in 4.0.20.4. (Never tried
4.0.20.3.) Presumably it is fixed for other Passoword dialog boxes as
well. Thanks.

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Re: Messages cannot be dragged from messages list to Editor window

[Jay Walker]

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Stefan Tanurkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> JW> Thomas, have you tried to drag a message from TB to a new message that
> JW> must be restored from the taskbar?
>
> That's because messages are dragged using internal drag-and-drop
> facilities, but you can switch windows with Alt+Tab during drag until
> we change the behaviour. :-)

Fair enough, Stefan. I will wait for a brighter tomorrow.

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Re: Messages cannot be dragged from messages list to Editor window

[Jay Walker]

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JW> Thomas, have you tried to drag a message from TB to a new message that
> JW> must be restored from the taskbar? I used to be able to do that in
> JW> 3.99.29. In 4.0.20.2, I can only drag to a message that is not hidden.
>
> No, not from the task bar. I didn't know this ever worked. I dragged
> the message directly from the folder view into the editor.

I think you are right, Thomas. Perhaps it was just my imagination - an
unfulfilled wish - that we could do it. :-)

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Re: Messages cannot be dragged from messages list to Editor window

[Jay Walker]

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Confirmed. 4.0.14.9 works the same way as 3.99.29 did in this respect.
>
> JW> It seems that this is broken once more in 4.0.20.2.
>
> Not confirmed. Works fine here.

Thomas, have you tried to drag a message from TB to a new message that
must be restored from the taskbar? I used to be able to do that in
3.99.29. In 4.0.20.2, I can only drag to a message that is not hidden.

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Re: Re[4]: 4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen

[Jay Walker]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Paul Van Noord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There are Master, Account & Token PIN passwords used in TB to gain
> access to the program and/or specific accounts.

I mentioned that this "smudge" occurs on the Master Password dialog
box. Peter confirmed that it occurs on the Token PIN dialog box. And
just now (working on another computer) I have found that it also
occurs on the Account Password dialog box (see attached graphic).

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Re: Messages cannot be dragged from messages list to Editor window

[Jay Walker]

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Jay Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >> until 3.99, You could select messages in messages list or in finder 
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> drag them to editor window, message were attached as MIME.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This is broken in 4.0
> >
> > It's fixed in the current beta version.
>
> Confirmed. 4.0.14.9 works the same way as 3.99.29 did in this respect.

It seems that this is broken once more in 4.0.20.2.

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Re: Re[4]: 4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen

[Jay Walker]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Paul Van Noord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/11/2008 Jay Walker wrote:
>
> JW> Sorry, Paul, but I don't follow you. What is the different purpose? In
> JW> both cases, is not the purpose to gain access to TB and its stored
> JW> information? And are not the actions to "input" and "enter"
> JW> fundamentally the same - typing some confidential characters and then
> JW> pressing Enter or clicking OK?
>
> There are Master, Account & Token PIN passwords used in TB to gain
> access to the program and/or specific accounts. Additionally we have
> the password to access a given account at the mail host. It is
> valuable to have a difference in the dialog for each so the user is
> clear as to which password is required. Assuming a password is a
> password is a password is dangerous in my opinion. I want my customers
> to easily recognize which password is required. Anyone knows that the
> need for a password is to gain access. Not everyone knows why and for
> what purpose. Therefore there is an obvious need for distinction in
> the differing dialogs so one knows which password is required.

Paul, to the extent that the procedure is the same, the wording of the
procedure should also be the same. There is absolutely no value in
changing the word "enter" to "input" just to distinguish between a
master password and a token PIN, especially when the sentence already
specifies whether it is a master password or a token PIN.

The distinctions that concern you are best accomplished by simply
changing the title of the dialog box, the pertinent words (in this
case, "master password" versus "token PIN"), or both. Telling users
that they must "input" master passwords but "enter" token PINs is
pointless and potentially confusing (should both dialog boxes be
viewed and compared).

In any event, this is a small point - not a major issue for this forum
- and I will not argue it further. Feel free to have the last word. :)

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Re: Re[2]: 4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen

[Jay Walker]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Paul Van Noord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JW> I am not clear on why there are these language changes: "Start-up"
> JW> versus "Master Password" and "input" versus "enter". Wherever
> JW> possible, consistent language and grammar is probably better.
>
> They're different passwords for different purposes. Assumptions are
> often more dangerous than inconsistency.

Sorry, Paul, but I don't follow you. What is the different purpose? In
both cases, is not the purpose to gain access to TB and its stored
information? And are not the actions to "input" and "enter"
fundamentally the same - typing some confidential characters and then
pressing Enter or clicking OK?

The reason why I generally recommend using consistent language and
grammar *wherever possible* is mainly to avoid creating an impression
that there is a different purpose or different action if there is not.

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Re: 4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen

[Jay Walker]

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Peter Hampf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Answering a current message (Thursday, April 10, 2008, 16:46)
> JW> When launching TB in OTFE Pwd mode, the initial password screen has a
> JW> small dark gray area on the bottom left side.
>
> I guess you are talking about this:

By the way, Peter, your initial security window are not the same. Yours reads:

 The Bat! Start-up
 Please enter current User PIN

Mine reads:

 The Bat! Master Password
 Please input the master password

I am not clear on why there are these language changes: "Start-up"
versus "Master Password" and "input" versus "enter". Wherever
possible, consistent language and grammar is probably better.

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Re: 4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen

[Jay Walker]

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Peter Hampf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JW> When launching TB in OTFE Pwd mode, the initial password screen has a
> JW> small dark gray area on the bottom left side.
>
> I guess you are talking about this:

Yes, that is what I am talking about. Just now I tried it with my Caps
Lock on, and I could see that it showed that fact okay. But when
everything is normal, it just gives me a rather ugly gray rectangle
(see attached graphic).

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4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen

[Jay Walker]

When launching TB in OTFE Pwd mode, the initial password screen has a
small dark gray area on the bottom left side. It does not affect
functionality. It just looks funny/curious.

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sometimes you see them and sometimes you don't

[Jay Walker]

Here's a weird one. This morning I was looking at the last message in
one folder. I changed folders, and when I went back to the previous
folder, the message was gone... along with several preceding messages.
Then I went to my inbox, and the last 9/10 of the messages were
missing. Okay, I knew this was just an illusion built into TB to amuse
and mystify me. So I closed the application and restarted it. Presto
chango, the vanished messages had reappeared.

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thebat.net - What's the big deal?

[Jay Walker]

Sorry, if this is OT, but I am talking about something that is
advertised on the Ritlabs Web site as "a new email service from
Ritlabs and Google" and "only for users of The Bat! v4".

As far as I can tell, thebat.net is a standard service offered by
Google to anyone with a registered domain for which one is ready to
point the domain's mail records (MX1) to the Google servers. I have
already done this for two different domains - one for email only and
the other for email, start page, and Web site.

My point is that anyone who knows about this free service is likely to
wonder why Ritlabs is promoting thebat.net on its Web page as if it is
something unique and involving a significant partnership between
Ritlabs and Google. Moreover, one who has used The Bat! 3.x might well
wonder why this "service" is only available for users of 4.x. Even
with 3.x, you could receive Google POP3 (and now IMAP) mail (whether
direct from Gmail or over a Gmail-enabled domain like thebat.net).

So am I missing something? Yes, I also signed up for a thebat.net
account when I thought it was going to be a gateway for beta testing
or some vital service or aspect of the email client. After getting my
thebat.net account, I have not used it even once.

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Re: 4.0.18.3

[Jay Walker]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Maxim Masiutin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's new in 4.0.18.3 since 4.0.18.2:
> [-] Docking of toolbars in the main window is back to normal

Confirmed.

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Re: ToolBars

[Jay Walker]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Art <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Confirmed in 4.0.18.1. Art's workaround - reverting to 4.0.14.3 - also
> > confirmed.
>
> Looks like it's been fixed in 4.0.18.2!!! Yay! Now I can get rid of the
> 4.0.14.3 executable.

Art, I regret to say that it is not completely fixed in 4.0.18.2. I
keep my Search toolbar on the same line with the Menu toolbar. After
moving it (intentionally or accidentally), I cannot get it back next
to the Menu toolbar in 4.0.18.2. So I am hanging on to my 4.0.14.2/3.

By the way, this might not be such a problem if there were some way to
lock the toolbars. As things stand now, it is easy to move the
toolbars by mistake. That is actually how I first noticed this
problem.

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Re: Alt-L issue

[Jay Walker]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Hendrik Oesterlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Kertész Vilmos" wrote on 18/03/2008 at 11:46:51 +1100
> subject "Alt-L issue" :
>
> >> using Alt-L to reformat a paragraph, reforts it, but doesn't return
> >> the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph as it used to do.
> >> Confirmations?

I can confirm this. And I find it a bit bewildering when I get lost
somewhere in empty space to the right of the paragraph.

> > I think, it is better now. Often I write something and format it. And
> > then I have to go back to the last cursor location.
>
> I agree with you. The change is an enhancement for me, not a bug.

I must respectfully disagree. Thus far, I have sen no advantage to
this bug. Like I said, the initial effect for me tends to be one of
displacement: "Hey, I was reformatting a paragraph, and now I cannot
even see the paragraph."

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Re: ToolBars

[Jay Walker]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Art <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The toolbar locations appear not be positioning correctly.  On 4.0.14.3 it
> works fine ie.  you can position/snap the tool bars correctly.  From 4.0.14.4
> and on you cannot and they will only snap into the message list pane, or the
> folder list pane; this means that they cannot go across the full width of the
> Program Window.  To fix my toolbars, I had to run 4.0.14.3 and reposition
> them, and then move back to running 4.0.14.7.

Confirmed in 4.0.18.1. Art's workaround - reverting to 4.0.14.3 - also
confirmed.

This is a bug... and a constantly annoying one at that (if you don't
know or cannot use Art's workaround).

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Re: The Bat! 4.0.18.1

[Jay Walker]

On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Maxim Masiutin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's new in 4.0.18.1 since 4.0.18:
> [-] (#0006911) MicroEd: Pasting multiple lines after EOT did not work

Confirmed.

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Re: Is the beta group dead?

[Jay Walker]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
> Wednesday, March 12, 2008, MikeD (2) wrote:
>
> >   OK ... it has been quiet here for a while.  I didn't think much
> >   about that (it has happened before right after a big release), but
> >   I just got an email announcing 4.0.18 is available for download.
>
> >   So has the beta program died or is something else going on?
>
> there is no beta or postrelease available, so if nobody reports something,
> we have nothing to test yet.

Actually, something was reported - a "List index out of bounds error"
- and allegedly repaired in 4.0.18.1. But we have not been given
4.0.18.1 to confirm the fix. I would like to get 4.0.18.1 sooner
rather than later, but I can wait for it. The problem was not a
showstopper. I mention this point only for the sake of accuracy.

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Re: Pasting One Line Below EOM

[Jay Walker]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:43 PM, MAU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Jay,
>
> > Anyway, I have now filed a bug report at
> > https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6911.
>
> Just added a note saying:
>
> ,- [  ]
> | Confirmed with 4.0.18.
> |
> | Not if I just position cursor at EOF, but YES if using navigation keys I
> | position cursor (free caret) after EOF.
> `-

Thanks, Miguel.

I just received notification that Stefan has already fixed this issue
(in 4.0.18.1, yet to come). It seems that Clark Kent is not the only
one who is faster than a speeding bullet. Thanks, Stefan.

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Re: Pasting One Line Below EOM

[Jay Walker]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Zygmunt Wereszczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> On Monday, March 10, 2008, at 20:02:40 [UTC+0200] (Monday, March 10,
> 2008 19:02 my local time) Jay Walker wrote:
>
> > 3. Do a Ctrl+V (or paste by any other means).
>
> > I invariably get a "List index out of bounds" message. If this is
> > happening only to me - on both computers - I can only wonder why.
>
> Fully confirmed on my machine.

Thanks, Zygmunt. I have tested this with and without OTFE. The same
problem occurs. So that is not a factor.

Anyway, I have now filed a bug report at
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6911.

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Re: Pasting One Line Below EOM

[Jay Walker]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Dwight Corrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 1. Click the Reply button for any message.
>
> > 2. Copy some text from the new message, and scroll down to a new line
> > after the end of your new message.
>
> > 3. Do a Ctrl+V (or paste by any other means).
>
> I can confirm it here.

Thanks, Dwight.

I have just tested it on 4.0.18, and the same "List index out of
bounds" problem applies to this version as well.

Let me mention why this issue is significant. One might have a Reply
template that works most of the time, but occasionally you change your
style of reply. For example, you might be using top-posting and want
to change to top-quoting. As such, you might copy your signature and
move it to the end of the message... only to discover that you cannot
paste anything there.

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Re: Pasting One Line Below EOM

[Jay Walker]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Volker Ahrendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [Reply to: »Jay Walker« · 2008-03-10 · 07:37 h (CET)]
>
> Moin, Jay!
>
> > When I try to paste anything at the very end of a message - as
> > little as one line below the end of the message - TB now coughs up
> > the following error:
>
> > List index out of bounds (7)
>
> Cannot confirm. — Here no problem neither with MicroEd nor with
> Plain-text Windows editor.

I have tested it on two computers. I use MicroEd, and the same problem
occurs on both computers.

1. Click the Reply button for any message.

2. Copy some text from the new message, and scroll down to a new line
after the end of your new message.

3. Do a Ctrl+V (or paste by any other means).

I invariably get a "List index out of bounds" message. If this is
happening only to me - on both computers - I can only wonder why.

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Pasting One Line Below EOM

[Jay Walker]

When I try to paste anything at the very end of a message - as little
as one line below the end of the message - TB now coughs up the
following error:

List index out of bounds (7)

Hope it's not contagious.

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Re: Messages cannot be dragged from messages list to Editor window

[Jay Walker]

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> until 3.99, You could select messages in messages list or in finder and
> >> >> drag them to editor window, message were attached as MIME.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is broken in 4.0
>
> It's fixed in the current beta version.

Confirmed. 4.0.14.9 works the same way as 3.99.29 did in this respect.

Thanks for letting me know that, Thomas. The Fix list that was
announced with 4.0.14.9 did not mention it.

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Re: 4.0.14.8

[Jay Walker]

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [-] (#0006860) Messages could not be dragged from messages list to Editor 
> > window
>
> partially fixed, because when I select messages and drag them to editor in
> taskbar, editor window is not focused. Only way is to use Alt+tab.

Agreed. At best, it is only partially fixed because dragging messages
to the Editor in the Windows taskbar simply does not work. However,
using alt+tab is a workaround that I did not try before, and
fortunately that does work well enough that I can limp along with 4.x
rather than revert to 3.99. :-)

I must say, however, that I am still a bit wary of the way in which
the Microeditor works. Often, after reformatting a paragraph, the view
remains somewhere off to the right (rather than on the left with all
of the text showing). Due to this quirk and others like the now fixed
copy-and-paste issue that I reported, I also wonder whether
reformatting of paragraphs can cause a loss of characters (although
that could also be just my hasty typing).

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Re: Messages cannot be dragged from messages list to Editor window

[Jay Walker]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello MAU,
>
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:16:51 +0100 GMT (26/02/2008, 19:16 +0700 GMT),
> MAU wrote:
>
> >> until 3.99, You could select messages in messages list or in finder and
> >> drag them to editor window, message were attached as MIME.
> >>
> >> This is broken in 4.0

Just noticed the same now and looked here to see if it had been
reported. As with Thomas, this is a showstopper for me. The workaround
- enabling RFC-822 headers and then copying and pasting one message
into another message  - is clumsy and time-consuming. Seems that I
"upgraded" to 4.0 too soon once more.

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Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 4.0.14.5


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Re: Copy and Paste from UNIX Text File

[Jay Walker]

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > As for the problem with 4.0 and copy-paste from UNIX text, if someone
> > confirms this, can you please post a bug notice for me (assuming it
> > does not yet exist). Sorry, though I am still an avid Bat user, I
> > don't get the time for beta testing these days.
>
> Stef fixed it in 4.0.14.3, can You please confirm and close report in
> Bugtraq?

Sorry for the delay, mostly due to the fact that the beta announcement
did not list this fix.

In any event, thank you Stef. I appreciate the rapid action. The bug
is indeed gone, and I have closed the report in Bugtraq.

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Re: 4.0.14.3

[Jay Walker]

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Jens Franik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What do you think, the Guys at Ritlabs do for their dayly
> work? This bug was already fixed silently...

Jens, thanks for the information, but I would like to have
confirmation before I upgrade to 4.x again. Please understand that I
only upgraded after the 4.x was officially released on the Ritlabs
site. Then, within days, I ran into this critical usability issue. To
go back to 3.99.29, I had to do a System Restore. Quite naturally, I
am reluctant to start using 4.x again until I know for certain that
this issue is resolved. So, Jens, even if for some mysterious reason
Ritlabs decided to fix this bug silently, I do think that they should
have had the courtesy to at least send me a private notification that
the bug I brought to their attention has been fixed.

Don't get me wrong. I am not complaining. It would not surprise me if
this problem took more than a day or two to fix. I just want to be
sure it is on someone's list, and I also want to know when the problem
has been taken care of. For what it's worth, I did finally get around
to filing a bug report (after noting that a new beta release had come
out and this problem was not listed as fixed). The bug report is at
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6827. So far - not very long, I
admit -  there is no notation on that bug report that the problem is
resolved.

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Re: 4.0.14.3

[Jay Walker]

On Feb 19, 2008 11:09 PM, Maxim Masiutin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Bat! 4.0.14.3 is available at
> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb40143.rar
>
> What's new in 4.0.14.3 since 4.0.14.2:

Not to nag or anything, but I guess it cannot hurt to remind. Until
the bug with copying and pasting from UNIX files is fixed, TB is a
dangerous email client for anyone who works with UNIX files. This bug
has already caused one major problem (and embarrassment) for me.
Fortunately, the cause of the problem - TB 4.0 - was identified
quickly.

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Re: Copy and Paste from UNIX Text File

[Jay Walker]

On Feb 18, 2008 2:29 PM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

> JW> When I copy and paste from a text file in UNIX format, the first line
> JW> is okay, but with every subsequent line the first character is
> JW> stripped off.
>
> Could you tell me what editor you were using for copying
> text in UNIX format please? I could not find one.

Stefan, I prefer UltraEdit . It is
shareware, so you could easily use it for the purpose of testing this
particular bug.

It seems that the problem is connected with the line terminators. If
you create a file (or save a file) in UNIX format with Unix line
terminators and then copy text from the file into a TB 4.0 message,
then
_
The dog jumped over the moon.
The dog jumped over the moon.
The dog jumped over the moon.
The dog jumped over the moon.
~

becomes...
_
The dog jumped over the moon.
he dog jumped over the moon.
he dog jumped over the moon.
he dog jumped over the moon.
~

Presumably the first line is unaffected because it was not preceded by
a line terminator.

NOTE: This behavior is introduced in 4.x. It does not occur in 3.x (or
at least I never noticed it there, and I probably would have). It
certainly does not occur in 3.99.29.

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Re: Copy and Paste from UNIX Text File

[Jay Walker]

On 2/18/08, Jay Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I copy and paste from a text file in UNIX format, the first line
> is okay, but with every subsequent line the first character is
> stripped off.
>
> For me this makes TB unusable. The problem is I don't know how to
> safely go back from 4.0 to 3.9. Any advice?

Reverted to 3.99.29 with System Restore. Seems to have worked okay.

As for the problem with 4.0 and copy-paste from UNIX text, if someone
confirms this, can you please post a bug notice for me (assuming it
does not yet exist). Sorry, though I am still an avid Bat user, I
don't get the time for beta testing these days.

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Copy and Paste from UNIX Text File

[Jay Walker]

When I copy and paste from a text file in UNIX format, the first line
is okay, but with every subsequent line the first character is
stripped off.

For me this makes TB unusable. The problem is I don't know how to
safely go back from 4.0 to 3.9. Any advice?

-- 
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Re: TB and gmail, errors when sending email

[Jay Walker]

On 10/29/05, Leif Gregory wrote:
> I'm sending this through Gmail.

The only problem I have with Gmail is that the Web interface (which I
am using now) currently strips trailing spaces and hence corrupts the
sig delimiter. However, this does not happen when sending over the
Gmail server from TB.

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Re: Re[2]: Bug when trying to save attach

[Jay Walker]

On 10/28/05, Jay Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not necessarily. Since 3.62.01, I cannot delete some attachments,
> notably the ones with long names with unknown characters (derived from
> unsupported languages). I can save the files to disk, but when I try
> to delete the attachment, TB just ignores the command. Presumably this
> is somehow connected.

On further investigation, perhaps it's not the language or characters
that causes the problem. It seems that this is occurring with messages
that contain only an attachment (in my case, a Word doc). In other
words, someone has sent me the attachment with no cover letter. I have
saved the file to disk, but I don't want to delete the message - I
want to reply to it later with its CC list. Unfortunately, I cannot
just delete the attachment in TB. The only way to get rid of the
attachment in TB - without hacking the file systems - seems to be to
delete the entire message.

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Re: Re[2]: Bug when trying to save attach

[Jay Walker]

On 10/26/05, Vili <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Alexander,
>
> >> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5232
> > You consider this bug *major*? Wow, how often do you cancel saving an
> > attachment? ;-)
>
> :)) Maybe I overstated that :))

Not necessarily. Since 3.62.01, I cannot delete some attachments,
notably the ones with long names with unknown characters (derived from
unsupported languages). I can save the files to disk, but when I try
to delete the attachment, TB just ignores the command. Presumably this
is somehow connected.

P.S. Moderators, please don't mind the faulty sig delimiter. Gmail
seems to have screwed up something (stripping trailing spaces), and
apparently no one outside this tbbeta mailing list treats the problem
very seriously. So, trust me, there is a space after my two dashes
when I am composing this message and clicking the Send button in the
Gmail Web interface.

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Re: "Find messages" problem

[Jay Walker]

On 10/6/05, Peter Meyns wrote:
> JW> Peter, this is simply not logical. OTFE is not a factor for you, but
> JW> that does not mean it is not a factor for others.
>
> That's why I added "(alone)".

Peter, I am sorry that I misunderstood you, although now your remark
seems to be theoretical on an entirely impractical level. I have yet
to find anything in this manifest universe that can be taken "alone".
Other than God - but let us not get theological here - everything
exists within an environment. How can you separate OTFE from TB?

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Re: Re[2]: "Find messages" problem

[Jay Walker]

On 10/6/05, Maxim Masiutin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it true that the problem only exists when dealing with large folders, e.g. 
> more than 5000 messages per folder?

No, the problem occurs with much fewer messages as well.

Sorry, but I don't have anything to add to that report. It is as
simple as what is stated there. The search mechanism that works fine
in non-OTFE hangs forever in OTFE. The directories searched are
exactly the same. The only difference is whatever happens in the
process of migration from non-OTFE to OTFE.

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Re: "Find messages" problem

[Jay Walker]

On 10/3/05, Peter Meyns wrote:
> MS> As wrote in my first post. I click on the "Find messages" in the
> MS> toolbar on top. The first default search option is "Text" "Contains"
>
> MS> So I give a text string to find and I push the start button. When I
> MS> push the stop button to stop the search nothing goes. The Start button
> MS> is still highlighted and I can't close the search messages window.
>
> I tried the same, and it works fine here. So the reason cannot be OTFE
> (alone).

Peter, this is simply not logical. OTFE is not a factor for you, but
that does not mean it is not a factor for others. Perhaps there is
some difference in the way you implemented OTFE or the message base on
which you implemented OTFE.

Maxim, if you cannot reproduce the problem, then my guess is that you
have not tried to reproduce it on a sufficient number of trial message
bases that were converted from Non-OTFE to OTFE.

In my case, I simply do the necessary backup and restore required for
the transition from Non-OTFE to OTFE. Then, when I go to search the
same folders with the same messages that I had successfully searched
in Non-OTFE, my OTFE search hangs interminably. This indicates to me
that the problem is definitely OTFE-related. Of course, it might be
due to some problem with the backup-restore process, but even then, it
is still OTFE related simply because this is the way we are instructed
to migrate to OTFE.

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Re: "Find messages" problem

[Jay Walker]

On 10/2/05, Martin Schoch wrote:

> But then I can't stop the search - to click the button "Stop" doesn't
> end the search...

With OTFE, the search has never worked for me. Not only the Stop
button does not stop, but the search never finishes. Hence, confirmed
and reconfirmed... to the point that this basic feature is the only
thing that I am interested to test. Until the search engine works
correctly in OTFE - not just for some lucky people or even for most
ordinary people, but for all users - OTFE is just a broken promise of
3.x.

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Re: 3.60.07 and OTFE Search

[Jay Walker]

On 9/2/05, Paul Van Noord wrote:
> Seems to me you have hardware problems such as too little available
> RAM, slow hard drive, etc. If you are using a notebook with a 4200 rpm
> hard drive and/or you have little _available_ RAM you are going to
> have slow searches. Also, there may be limitations with your processor
> functions if you have implemented various battery power saving
> techniques. The status bar in Task Manager shows available RAM and the
> Processes tab shows how you are using yours. If you have more that
> 30-40 processes running with high memory usage welcome to the world of
> slow and unstable searches.

Thanks, but you are way off the mark. I have tested this on three
different machines, all with plenty of available RAM, fast hard drive,
etc. Nothing you mention can explain why the same search runs smoothly
and fast in non-OTFE and hangs endlessly in OTFE. In each of my
experiments on three different machines, it is the same directory that
I am searching on the same machine. The only difference is OTFE versus
non-OTFE.

OTFE is supposed to run with little or no discernible slow-down in
performance. At least that is how it is advertised, and that is the
only way it could sell. But that is not what I got. The OTFE search is
not just a little bit slower - it is often 1,000 times slower (if it
completes at all).

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3.60.07 and OTFE Search

[Jay Walker]

Installed the new MSI (officially released by RL). Restored just one
account - with the least number of messages - from backup. Searching
the same directory with less than 2,000 messages in both Non-OTFE and
OTFE, here is the comparison:

Non-OTFE: 
  o Search starts after about 1 second 
  o Search completes successfully within 4 seconds

OTFE
  o Search starts after about 3 seconds
  o Search hangs in the middle for at least two minutes
  o Pushing the Stop button has no apparent, immediate effect 
  o TB shuts down with AV notices and all sorts of hideous effects

In short, 3.60.07 seems no closer to resolving the Search problem in
OTFE than any of the other releases.

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Re: 3.60.06

[Jay Walker]

On 8/31/05, Simon Fincham wrote:
> In the main this is working well, no major issues.

Unless the search engine stops hanging on OTFE searches that work fine
with non-OTFE, then I would not consider any release to be "working
well, no major issues". The failure of the search engine to function
in OTFE as it does in non-OTFE means that OTFE is unusable as far as I
am concerned. That means that TB Pro is not yet functional on a basic
level as far as I am concerned.

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Re: Re[2]: 3.60.05 and Missing Menu Items

[Jay Walker]

On 8/30/05, Roger Phillips wrote:
> JW> By the way, I note that at least some of my shortcuts no longer work.
> JW> I have tried to assign shortcuts to "Mark as Junk" and "Mark as NOT
> JW> Junk" on the Specials menu. No matter what shortcuts I assign, they do
> JW> nothing. But I can perform the operation via the Specials menu.
> 
>  I've  now  tried customising some new shortcuts and they seem to work
>  OK.   I'm  not  sure  what  to  suggest  as the reason for things not
>  working at your end.

Well, they seem to be working now. I also don't know what caused it. I
did not change anything running on my computer and there were no
conflicts that I could see. So maybe it was just some Windows quirk
and not a Bat quirk.

Thanks for taking the trouble to investigate.

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Re: Re[2]: 3.60.05 and Missing Menu Items

[Jay Walker]

On 8/28/05, Roger Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sunday, August 28, 2005, 5:58:09 AM, among other things, you wrote:
> 
> JW> Yep, that does the trick. Thanks. (But I still think that RL should
> JW> fix this bug.)
> Agreed,  but  I suspect that like a lot of what RL consider minor bugs
> it  will  not  even  be  looked  at, let alone fixed. I've submitted a
> number  of  bug reports over the years, but only a small proportion of
> them  have been attended to. In my opinion this is a ridiculous policy
> as  they  never  get  what  most people would consider a fully working
> program, just something where most of the features work!

Agreed. But what is particularly annoying for me is that I bought a
license for TB Pro 3.0 thinking that I was going to get OTFE; and here
we are one year later testing 3.60.05 "Forerunner", and I still cannot
use OTFE because the search engine (that works fine with non-OTFE)
simply hangs interminably when I migrate (through a very clunky and
time-consuming process) to OTFE. Perhaps RL thinks that I will be
willing to buy a license for 4.0 just to get what I paid for with 3.0,
but I most certainly will not.

> JW> Any idea what's happening with the shortcut assignments?
> 
> I'm not sure what particular problem you are thinking of.

For example, I try to assign a shortcut to "Mark as Junk" on the
Specials menu. The shortcut that I assign appears on the menu, and
when I use the menu to mark a message as junk, it gets moved to the
Junk folder. But if I use the shortcut that I assigned (via the
Customize interface), nothing happens. It does not matter what
shortcut I assign. It just doesn't work.

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Re: Bayesit.tbp (was: The Bat! 3.60.05 Forerunner (Beta) is now available)

[Jay Walker]

On 8/27/05, Cees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> TF> Or, into what directory should I put it?
> 
>  you  can  either  delete  it,  or  extract  it in the directory your 
> thebat.exe
>  resides. It won't do any harm.

Are you sure about that Cees? I have a BayesIt subdirectory, in which
resides a file with the same name. My guess would be that the file
updates the one in the subdirectory.

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Re: 3.60.05 and Missing Menu Items

[Jay Walker]

On 8/28/05, Greg Strong wrote:
> > I am still missing at least one menu item in 3.60.05. On the Specials
> > menu, there is an empty spot under View Source that contains a submenu
> > for New Watch Replies Folder.
> 
> Can NOT confirm.
> 
> IIRC I had a similar problem. I think it was the 'tbuser.def' file was
> messed up when TB was developing new UI. It should be in your mail
> directory. Shut down TB & try renaming it to something like
> 'tbuser.def_old', then reopen TB. I think this is responsible for a
> lot of customization. I haven't customized my TB installation because
> I know this is a work in process still. Others may disagree. My point
> is if you have a lot of customization you will lose it.

Thanks, Greg, but I was already aware of the tbuser.def workaround. I
am waiting for RL to solve the problem. Eventually, they generally
solve the bug, coming up with something that averts the need for me to
reset all of my customizations.

By the way, I note that at least some of my shortcuts no longer work.
I have tried to assign shortcuts to "Mark as Junk" and "Mark as NOT
Junk" on the Specials menu. No matter what shortcuts I assign, they do
nothing. But I can perform the operation via the Specials menu.

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Re: 3.60.05 and Missing Menu Items

[Jay Walker]

On 8/28/05, Roger Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You need to edit your tbuser.def file
> 
> Using the Edit\Find facility, find the row "container item 
> [MailerForm].[mWatchRepliesIn]" and change it
> to "container item [MsgCtl].[mWatchRepliesIn]".

Yep, that does the trick. Thanks. (But I still think that RL should
fix this bug.)

Any idea what's happening with the shortcut assignments?

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3.60.05 and Missing Menu Items

[Jay Walker]

I am still missing at least one menu item in 3.60.05. On the Specials
menu, there is an empty spot under View Source that contains a submenu
for New Watch Replies Folder.

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Re: Unnecesary text label in Attachments Pane

[Jay Walker]

I have no problem with the "Attachments" label. I wondered about it in
the beginning, but figured it was another GUI cosmetic enhancement. I
agree with Marek that now it is here we should just leave it. However,
I think Simon raises two very good points as well. Please see below...

On 8/21/05, Simon Fincham wrote:
> If the section is to have a heading I think it should match the current theme 
> colour and background in use as per the rest of the tool bars etc.  It 
> certainly doesn't with my Theme - I'm using NexosX

If this is so, then I completely agree. However, the label does seem
to match my theme, and it does seem to change its appearance when I
change the theme. So I cannot confirm this issue.

> If the attachments section is to have a header in the create window I think 
> it should also have one in the viewing window; keeping things uniform.

This issue is confirmed, and I agree entirely with Simon. My
recommendation would be to add the label to the viewer pane and to
messages that are opened individually for viewing.

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3.60.02 "Forerunner" and OTFE Search

[Jay Walker]

It starts slow and eventually hangs/freezes. Stopping is still
difficult. After stopping a frozen search, I got some AVs and a
"System Error, Code: 1400, Invalid window handle". (And, of course,
the same search works fine when OTFE is not enabled.) Reverting to "No
OTFE".

So I hope that this "forerunner" will be the fulfillment of the 3.x
Pro promise of OTFE (that I bought quite some time ago and am still
unable to implement); but if so, it seems that you still have a long
way to go.

(By the way, has anyone noticed that the Mail Dispatcher does not show
special characters that are shown correctly when the message is
actually received? I noticed this in 3.51.10, but have not confirmed
in 3.60.02.)

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Re: Part.ATT???

[Jay Walker]

On 8/5/05, Peter Palmreuther wrote:
> JW> Added a note to the report.
> 
> Your note does not fit into the scheme: you have posted a MIME entry
> for a text/plain message part without *any* filename, which is not
> even explicitly attached. The code you posted does not relate to the
> described bug.

Oh well, so maybe it's another Part.ATT bug. :-)

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Re: Re[2]: Part.ATT???

[Jay Walker]

On 8/4/05, Vili wrote:
> Could you export and send me in private the mail that has this
> part.att problem?

Not this time, Vili. I don't share personal email on principle. Think
of it as a Catholic priest sort of thing. But if I get something less
sensitive, I'll pass it on.

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