Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Jurgen! On Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 8:35:28 AM you wrote: This thread is already a little bit old, but today I got the same thing, upon starting TB! I got the message from Panda that TB! has been changed and if I want to allow connection to internet. Haven't had that in the few days before, since I installed Panda (maybe 2 weeks ago). Points more and more to The Bat! With F-Secure it happens every time I start TB after a complete start of XP, never during a session even after hibernating. After FS told me this behaviour is unknown I wrote them back that it is reproducible. I hope they have a look into since this definitely is way over my head. Still, RL should have a look into the issue, too, as we now have three firewalls doing this: Your Panda, someone reported McAfee 6 and my brand new F-Secure Internet Security 2005. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Military Intelligence is a contradiction in terms. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Dierk, Sunday, October 24, 2004, 3:01:47 AM, you wrote (at least in part): upon starting TB! I got the message from Panda that TB! has been changed I use DiamondCS Process Guard 3 public beta 2 which detects changes in .exe files but has not detected them with the bat. I also use Jetico Personal Firewall which detects changes as well but same thing has not detected any changes with The Bat! They have detected changes with The Bat! of course when I upgrade though. -- Thanks, Chris Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
On Friday, October 22, 2004, 04:12, Peter Ouwehand wrote: MO No, it's because the '' is early enough in the line to make TB! MO believe it is indication this is an answer. To change MO sensitiveness, lower the value in Options | Preferences | MO Viewer/Editor | Editor preferences | Quote name limit. Also when it's prefixed by some other character? Yes, see above. In you reply, '' was prefixed by MO. TB! correctly treated this as an answer and added a extra '' when opening this edit window. I have Quote name limit set to five, so if we continue this thread a few more levels, my TB! won't understand what's an answer and what's not and will start messing up my replies. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 07:42, Dierk Haasis wrote: What I found today is that it is not *every* time I start TB, but only after I had shut down Windows. Next time I start Windows and then XP F-Secure's fire Wall asks me to allow TB to connect to the Internet (outgoing). Obviously F-Secure not being able to store the updated hash (again, as long as you are certain your system is not in fact infected). It remember the updated hash while running, but doesn't update it's configuration files. Have a look at the configuration files and make sure it's not write protected. And then contact F-Secure support. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello! DH Hello TBBETA Members! DH I have a very strange experience with the current TB EXE: DH Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has DH been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to DH the Internet. Confirmed with McAfee PF 6+ Using The Bat! 3.0.2.1 Professional on Windows XP (5. 1) Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQXTbywfz7CZ5qak3EQJBpACgxCnqMWPGulhSM47QFMtliMtpKpUAnRaA 0cW3T5RAmR2KnIRsljBl2QzU =9mvu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Ian! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:12:09 AM you wrote: This must be something with the F-Secure firewall because I have Norton Personal Firewall and I have only been asked once (the first running) to allow access. I am not sure about this anymore since I've seen someone else posting the same problem with McAfee. I contacted F-Secure's support today, who assured me they haven't heard of any trouble with TB, yet. The former version (2004) had no problems (as to F-Secure's support). -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Anything that can be misunderstood will be. (David G. Myers) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Marcus! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 10:00:40 AM you wrote: And then contact F-Secure support. Done. I am currently investigating this further. BTW, waking Windows from hibernation (the Shift+leftmost button) abd starting the program also does not give me a warning. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request You cannot possibly buy affection; but the wise man is content renting it ... (Derek Leveret) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hi TBBeta, Done. I am currently investigating this further. BTW, waking Windows from hibernation (the Shift+leftmost button) abd starting the program also does not give me a warning. This makes me wondering all the time. From time to time I have spurious '' characters in the mails. I can't see why Dierk should add a '' before hibernation. Same in this mail from Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] At the archive on gmane there is no '' befort hibernation, but hitting F9 it is there as if it was in the original post. So what's going on here? -- I'm already gone, Raymund The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Spurious characters in TB! mails [was Re: TB's EXE changed every time?]
Hello Raymund! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 12:16 PM, you wrote: RTT From time to time I have spurious '' characters in the mails. I RTT can't see why Dierk should add a ' before hibernation. Not happening here. No ' before hibernation. Neither in the View Folder TBBETA window nor in the View Source (F9) window. Maybe it's in the language-font choice for your machine? I'm running the multilingual interface and using American English. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Raymund! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 7:16:04 PM you wrote: This makes me wondering all the time. From time to time I have spurious '' characters in the mails. I can't see why Dierk should add a '' before hibernation. I haven't, it was a server in-between, kind of escaping the lying carets in that line. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Demokratie entsteht, wenn man nach Freiheit und Gleichheit aller Bürger strebt, die Zahl der Bürger, nicht aber ihren Charakter berücksichtigt. (Aristoteles) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hi Dierk, '' before hibernation. Why are there two '' now? I haven't, it was a server in-between, kind of escaping the lying carets in that line. In the mail from Peter I mentioned in my first post, there is nothing that I can see that could trigger such an escaping. And which server should have made the change? The mail from Mary is a bit weird, too. Instead of '' I see ' and that's the same in the archive. -- I'm already gone, Raymund The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Raymund! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 7:59:18 PM you wrote: '' before hibernation. Why are there two '' now? Because a server, most likely yours, added another one. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Die Trunkenheit vermehrt schön zwei schöne Dinge - Mut und Liebe. (Jean Paul) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Raymund, On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 7:16:04 PM Raymund [RTT] wrote: from hibernation (the Shift+leftmost button) abd starting the program also does not give me a warning. RTT This makes me wondering all the time. From time to time I have spurious '' characters in the mails. I can't see why Dierk should add a '' before hibernation. Not before 'hibernation'. There's an additional '' in front of 'from'. RTT At the archive on gmane there is no '' befort hibernation, but RTT hitting F9 it is there as if it was in the original post. So what's RTT going on here? One mail server between list server and your mailbox inserted it to escape the 'from'. In a Unix mailbox messages are stored serialized. All in one text file. A new message is recognized by a line starting with 'From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date' (without the ' of course). As a lexical parse for syntactically completely correct line is much to expensive mail handling tools often parsed only for 'From' at start of line. For not confusing this tools and make message handling, storing and forwarding easier some old style servers escape a line starting with 'from' in message body by prepending the ''. HTH HAND -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) As soon as you pull out the pin, Mister Hand Grenade stops being your friend. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 21:22, Peter Ouwehand wrote: RTT Why are there two '' now? Here, TB added a greater-than sign in between the apostrophes after starting a reply to you msg mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A bug perhaps? No, it's because the '' is early enough in the line to make TB! believe it is indication this is an answer. To change sensitiveness, lower the value in Options | Preferences | Viewer/Editor | Editor preferences | Quote name limit. This is also the reason I delimit configuration paths with '|' and not with '-' as I used to (I got the idea from Marck, but I suppose he is doing it by the same reasons). -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hi Dierk Haasis, Monday, October 18, 2004 you let us know -at least in parts- : Hello TBBETA Members! I have a very strange experience with the current TB EXE: Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to the Internet. Did you run recently any cleaning program such as PurgatioPro or jv16 powertools? -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :star: Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
On Monday, October 18, 2004, 20:32, Dierk Haasis wrote: Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to the Internet. I suppose you acknowledge the change when first launching TB! after upgrading? If so, first make sure your TB! exe is not infected with anything. If it is not, this is probably just F-Secure having problems storing the new hash for TB!. I've seen it happen with Kerio and that time I was certain no change had been made (no, it wasn't TB!, but that really doesn't matter). -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Dierk, On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:32:01 PM Dierk [DH] wrote: DH I have a very strange experience with the current TB EXE: DH Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has DH been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to DH the Internet. Maybe your F-Secure does not store the new checksum properly? I know for sure my .exe ain't changed, Kerio only moans once, at first start after an update. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Let a fool hold his tongue and he will pass for a sage. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hi Peter Palmreuther, Monday, October 18, 2004 you let us know -at least in parts- : Maybe your F-Secure does not store the new checksum properly? I know for sure my .exe ain't changed, Kerio only moans once, at first start after an update. That has been the reason here for some strange side-effects some software showed, and the cause therefor was that I did run a cleaning tool, which promised to clean up only unused dlls, links leading to nowhere and so on. After a restore all was fine again. So maybe the checksum cannot be memorized because of a missing (deleted) part in Kerio or F-secure. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :star: Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Charlene! On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:34:55 PM you wrote: Did you run recently any cleaning program such as PurgatioPro or jv16 powertools? No. For a time I wasn't quite sure if I had installed a new EXE, but for a few days now TB is hasn't been changed by me. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Life is a sexually transmitted disease. (Alexander Veljanov) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Marcus! On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:37:08 PM you wrote: I suppose you acknowledge the change when first launching TB! after upgrading? Yes, and checking Don't ask again for this program. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request The ask-first principle: to find out whether an action is right or wrong, ask first. (Michael Shermer) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Peter! On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:37:47 PM you wrote: Maybe your F-Secure does not store the new checksum properly? I know for sure my .exe ain't changed, Kerio only moans once, at first start after an update. Must be an F-Secure problem. I'll dig deeper on that side. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Why is the man who invests all your hard earned money called a broker? Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hi Dierk, on Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:32:01 +0200GMT, you wrote: DH I have a very strange experience with the current TB EXE: DH Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has DH been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to DH the Internet. I use Kerio PF, and it only asks for confirmation when I really changed the exe. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1800MHz, 512 MB RAM Winamp currently playing: Chumbawamba - Tubthumping (Frequence3 -- www.Frequence3.org - Une Rafale De Tubes - The French Webradio live from Paris France) pgpDlDZkkrGJ3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Dierk, Monday, October 18, 2004, 8:32:01 PM, you wrote: Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to the Internet. Just an idea: every time I updated BayesIt plugin (and consequently closed and re-started TB) I got that question as well. But did you change one of your plugins *every* time you started TB? Does not sound too likely IMO. -- Best regards, Peter Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB's EXE changed every time?
Hello Peter! On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 10:49:15 PM you wrote: But did you change one of your plugins *every* time you started TB? No. What I found today is that it is not *every* time I start TB, but only after I had shut down Windows. Next time I start Windows and then XP F-Secure's fire Wall asks me to allow TB to connect to the Internet (outgoing). -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Busss Third Law of Human Mating: For every mating adaptation in one sex, there exists at least one co-evolved adaptation in the other sex designed to manipulate and exploit it. (David Buss) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
