Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hi Alex, With Auto Format On you can't make a paragraph (by pressing Return) without inserting an empty line after it. If you try it the next line is drawn back to append the previous one - as it should not be. ASK But a paragraph is always separated with an extra line. In continuous text, that might be. However, try this example: *** I hereby order: 1item 1 10 E 1item 2 30 E 5item 3100 E Total: 140 E *** You might sqeeze in a line above the total, but definitly not between every listed item, especially if there are not only three of them. ASK We're not writing books, we're writing emails. :-) And turning ASK auto-format on/off is only a simple keyboard shortcut away. Now, ASK if I could only remember it... :-) CTRL-Shift-F. I remember it very well because it is always set to the position unsuitable for the text I'm currently writing, regardless of whether it's on or off. ASK Thats why I'm not using auto-format but press ALT-L I didn't know that, thanks. Still, this makes it bearable until it is fixed, nothing more. It would be better for RIT to nip the whole GUI-thing in the bud and fix this single ... - well, let's call it a peculiarity for those vi-type characters. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpUOKGG8YvCu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hi MAU, M Calm down bit. Yes. Sorry, I was getting a little steamed about 9Val's latest comment on priority and non-priority. It is a little less than amusing to fight daily with a malfunctioning program for three years and then being assigned non-priority out of hand. M How many e-mail clients are there available in the M market? Why choose The Bat!? When I chose it, there were no alternatives. In the meantime, there have arisen some, but it takes something to make me change from a accustomed environment to a new one, especially if I had to go through the registration circle again with the new solution. We may be at that point, though. It is not long ago I had been able to recommend TheBat universally. That was a time when I thought that malfunctions (to call them bugs would be a gross understatement) would be worked on. Instead the ones responsible spend their time painting new colours on the buttons! Incredible! :-(( Sorry, steam rising again. M No software of this kind will ever satisfy M every user 100%. I'll grant that for e.g. TheBat not being able to use standard LF/CR handling in the editor. It hurts me every day, but if this is just TheBat's way I can't say much against it. But on other issues this doesn't work. TheBat is sold as IMAP-capable. Still, IMAP doesn't work. This is not something to be liked or not, it is a serious malfunction. If we were talking about cars the government would withdraw RIT's license for selling this vehicle. It's only the software business where engineers still think they can get away with a product where 51% of the features are working in some way. M If your % of satisfaction with TB is as low as it seems from your M message, why suffer? Go find another one. I am at that point. Up until the last few days I could not bring myself to believe that the disinterested neglegence RIT exhibits really stems from facts. I thought they were busy working in the meantime instead of writing messages. Apparently, this is not the case. They don't even pretend to be. It's at least honest, but they still won't score a cookie for it. M Let's be reasonable. We are talking about a magnificent and quite M complex piece of software (and therefore with bugs) [...] I'm not challenging that. I'm a programmer myself, and rationally I understand the reason that there always will be bugs. But when I market a program, I react to people's needs, concerns and suggestions. I do not develop in a direction that is neither needed nor wanted and leave my customers hanging out on the lim in the meantime. I especially don't just re-lable an alpha version that has not fixed any bugs but, on the contrary, introduced a bucket full of new ones as a release version. M If after purchasing and using it for some time (years in your case, M I think) someone finds his/her % of satisfaction is low, why M suffer? Look for another one, buy it and use it happily. You're absolutly right. I will have to go that path. It is difficult for me though, because not only have I myself used TheBat for quite a while but recommended it to friends and clients, some of whom have themselves bought licenses. It's not nice to go to them and admit that I seriously misjudged the fitness of the authors of the program and that I'm sorry, but they should better use something else as well. This is not something you enjoy. Because, see - I DO care for the users I service, private or commercial. My mistake was to apply that standard to RIT, too. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpKyZK3GEOhB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hi MAU, M What do you actually mean by not being able to use standard LF/CR M handling in the editor? With Auto Format On you can't make a paragraph (by pressing Return) without inserting an empty line after it. If you try it the next line is drawn back to append the previous one - as it should not be. If you disable Auto Format then no formating is done to one paragraph in its own. Yo can have the first line only half full with no Return behind it, but now the next line is not drawn back - as it very well should be. I've inquired about this issue years ago but have not even gotten so much as a reply. (Same as with the other bug reports I submitted over the years, BTW.) -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpCs3z21VS0D.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Het was op dinsdag 3 mei 2005 om 16:41 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available' : Hallo Tony, 9 I was speaking about configuration files changes and manual working 9 with them. Nothing more... TB Oh, sorry. I thought we was talking about all the existing bugs, nothing TB for us to worry about then. like IMAP totally NOT working. I see mail... switch account, go back to imapaccount and the mail is gone. Filters still don't work. Creating filters does not work. Symcing is a drag... hardly works. Would love to see some priority in fixing THAT. -- regards, Cees I love acting. It is so much more real than life - Oscar Wilde ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5 Return RC1 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
9Val, TB If you know these will cause problems why not fix them *before* releasing TB the actual program? Because they are on *your* side in configuration files. There have some changes in format. So we can remove many of the problems we see by uninstalling TB, deleting the left over directories, and reinstalling? -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Primarily using IMAP. Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Het was op dinsdag 3 mei 2005 om 21:05 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available' : Hallo Tony, C Would love to see some priority in fixing THAT. TB How far can you swim under water? :) uh seven yards? :-p -- regards, Cees Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5 Return RC1 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Het was op dinsdag 3 mei 2005 om 23:05 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available' : Hallo Tony, MB For me all your messages are signed fine. TB Strange, they all report as being altered here. that's exactly what I'm having overhere, only not at this account but with another, which emailaddress I have added to my Thawte certificate. -- regards, Cees Useful? Sure! Lawyers are an excellent source of protein. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5 Return RC1 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hi 9Val, 9 Just look at the main purpose of this release - it has new GUI 9 system. All our efforts are dedicated to it. Sure, we have 9 fixed some other bugs, but look to Peter's list, it is mostly 9 cleared. [...] 9 Currently there is only few real bugs which are 9 show-stoppers - AV on entering search (not for all), threading 9 by references, and randomly AV (reported by Marck-Roelof-Gary). 9 Sure, it will be better if other will be fixed too, but I don't 9 think they are so critical to start new holy war. And I thought I at least expressed myself sufficiently clear in my last message. Maybe you could give a short reaction whether you really still didn't get me or you chose to ignore me: The thing simply doesn't work!! Write it bold, in two different icon sizes with the fancy new user interface, the IMAP mail client portion of the program simply doesn't work! This isn't the time to design a user interface! A mail client doesn't need to look pretty, it has to work! When you have done the basics, then you can move over to the extras! They can wait, not the other part! What's the use of treating your car to new rims when the engine won't start? You spoke of flaming: I AM flaming now. If you need time to fix something that's broken or has never worked, well - nobody around here can work miracles. But you apparently chose to blatantly ignore the fact that you're selling a non-functioning product and you don't give a hoot about it! And what do I have to read today: You implemented graphics for smilies (did I get that right? I was just browsing over it.) You implemented something a serious user will deactivate sooner than you can spell irritating, but since version v1.6 (earliest verson I ever used) you have not found time to implement standard line-feed/carrage-return handling into the text editor! That's three years ago! Three whole years! Oh yes, I am flaming now! Call it boiling! :-((!! -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpp0Fmo4To66.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
[-]Other:mixingglyphsandnewpng :-((( That'scertainlyapity(andaPITA)formyoldtiredeyesthathave problemsdifferentiatingtheslightlydifferentshadesofblueofolder, etc. This could be the solution for the half icons that were visible throughout the program. The half icons are now full. But even the toolbar icons are now small. I like having toolbar icons larger. The little marker icons can be smaller. Yes, it is hard to tell what the toolbar icons are when they are so small. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.5ReturnRC1onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2.PrimarilyusingIMAP. Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Het was op vrijdag 29 april 2005 om 21:25 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available' : Hallo Peter, PO I'd like to have such smaller icons. How did you do that ??? ;) easy: buy yourself a really small screen! ;-) -- regards, Cees A modest man is usually admired; if people ever hear of him. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5 Return RC1 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
9Val, HelloGleason, GPConfirmthaticonsizesarenotcutinhalfthroughoutthe GPprogram.Confirmthatcheckboxfunctionsarenolongerreversed. Sorry,don'tgetbothpoints Strange how something can get fixed that the programmers didn't know about. Previously all little marker icons have been cut in half. This version shows the full icon. But previously toolbar icons were much larger. Now they are the same size as the little marker icons. I have previously mentioned that check box functions were reversed. Put the check in the box to disable the option. All my filters were like that. They are ok now. GPLoadingtheImapfolderhierarchyatprogramstartupremainsa GPproblem.Thefirsttime,Igettwoinboxeswithfolderlists. GPSecondtimeIgetthree,ThirdtimeIgetfour,etc.Opening GPtheManageIMAPFolderswindowscorrectsthesituation.After GPthat,TBwillreturntostartingwithtwolistsnexttime.The GPlistsatstartarenolongerscrambled,andarecompleteexcept GPforonefoldercontaining42subfolders. Doyouusemultipleconnections?Doesswitchingtosingle-connection modehelp? I have one imap account and three pops. I have set the imap to allow 5 concurrent connections. Setting it to 1 does not make a difference in how the folder hierarchy is displayed when TB starts. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.5ReturnRC1onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2.PrimarilyusingIMAP. Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hi TBBETA, MT Hmm...I AM having a problem with icon sizes but I do NOT have MT batskin.xml in my TB root directory. What else could be the MT problem? I am having the same problem. 9 Check both mail directory and exe directory for it There is no 'batskin.xml' anywhere. I'd really like to have smaller icons -- Paul The Bat! Version 3.5 Return RC1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Friday, April 29, 2005, 4:39:46 PM, you wrote: Ack, I still don't like it The day the subject or reference sort threat will get rid of the bold for every first post, I'll switch that bugs me a lot to have the primary email in bold even if all emails are read Confirmed. I also am still concerned that the drop down for the pop address is still ungrouped. It really looks like a mess to have a long, long list of names. Finally, View | Display | Advance Features is still dead. I know this is being worked on. However, it should be removed or connected to the F7 feature. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk 99 Bronte Road - Suite 815 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
