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Re: Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)

[Jast]

Morning Nick Danger,

>  Oh, this is too much fun now not to toss in my own couple of
> coppers...  How about the ever popular slash?

 Great! FWIW, I use the wonderful parentheses.


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Re: Shortcut key list?

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Hello Douglas, 

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 at 13:08:00 [GMT -0600], you wrote:
DH> I know someone posted a url for undocumented TB! commands but I
DH> don't see the bookmark it. I show this:
DH> http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/howdoi.shtml but that's not it. Got
DH> it:

DH> http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcuts.txt

Version 1.11b is at the following URLs now:
English: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcut.eng
Russian: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcut.rus

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Re: Shortcut key list?

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Hello Juergen, 

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 at 17:23:28 [GMT +0100], you wrote:
JF> did you look here: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ ?
JF> Pay attention to that point: "Is their a compiled list of keyboard
JF> shortcuts?"

Thanks to Denis Petelin, version 1.11b of the keyboard shortcuts is
available at the above URL for both English and Russian.

BTW, I haven't played with page coding too much, so someone with a
Russian capable browser please take a look at the Russian version and
tell me if it displays correctly.

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Re: Ctrl-F4

[Steve Lamb]

Saturday, January 22, 2000, 4:10:31 PM, tracer wrote:
> It wasnt meant as a joke though as I use the PC often at night and I
> donot like  very bright backgrounds or all the lights on in the room
> and I have several editors / viewers setup like that as the screen
> isnt too bright but the text is clearly visible.

Right.  I have white on black.  I, however, meant the pink on yellow as a
reference to the nifty-keen HTML messages people love to send because they can
do color.


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Re[3]: Web hyperlinks don't work -get a default browser working first.

[tracer]

Hello phil,
On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:20:04 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 5:20:04 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
phil wrote:

phil> 1st..dl netscape, http://www.ufaq.org/ phil> opera..
phil> http://operasoftware.com phil>
phil> 2nd..inst windows, in a new  directory using 98lite.
Ie essentially a new windows installation...

phil> http://www.98lite.net/
The pro version has additional options but it isnt free and no idea what it does
with 95..
phil> 3rd..inst new browser and set as default browse.
phil> 4th..run ROM II.
phil> http://www.silverlink.net/~jensenba/rom2/downloads.html
phil> 5th..opt, media player 6.x after ROM II
phil> http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/corporate.asp
phil> 6th..fire, sec stuff, filt.

AVK>> Where to get? I'm usually manually cleaning off all the traces of
AVK>> IE, it's a lenghthy procedure , but obviously something is
AVK>> left behind;-(


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Re[2]: Web hyperlinks don't work

[tracer]

Hello Rob,
On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:38:21 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 3:38:21 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Rob wrote:

Rob> Hello all,

Rob> on Sat, 22 Jan 2000, at 17:31:15 local time (GMT +0300), Alexander wrote:

>> Where to get? I'm usually manually cleaning off all the traces of IE, it's a
>> lenghthy procedure , but obviously something is left behind;-(

Rob> i don't think that if you ever installed IE4, you can get rid of it  :-(

Rob> i'm still using the original Win95A, that came without IE, but made the
Rob> mistake of installing IE4, just to have a look at it ... i didn't like it,
Rob> it was too big, so i decided to un-install.
Rob> well, you just can _not_ un-install it !! it leaves stuff all over the
Rob> place and even after using the 'manual removal' from the 98Lite site,
Rob> something stayed behind that keeps creating the usual IE directories ;
Rob> Cookies, History, Temporary Internet Files ...

Rob> if someone knows a trick to kill it off completely, please tell

If you want to run 95 with all the latest bells and whistles, you need
95C, which is much better anyway and which came out like 6 months
before 98 came out. (stimulated by the DOJ courtcase...)
IE4 is optional installable.
95a is a rather unstable product anyway, mostly used on older laptops...
To remove IE4 after installing is a problem as its not a 'program' you uninstall.
Its some addons and mostly registry settings.
Like with IE5, there is NO program called ie5, its all changes to registry and some 
replacment
stuff you already have.
Its also one of the reasons many systems corrupted as the ie5 updates,
versions present in developer kits, office 2000 are not the same so while
the files present get installed, the registry normally gets problems...
In a way Ie4 was the same, once in, extreemly difficult to clean the registry up.


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Re[2]: Ctrl-F4

[tracer]

Hello Steve Lamb,
On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:13:32 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 3:13:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:

Steve> Saturday, January 22, 2000, 1:58:34 AM, tracer wrote:
>> What about white on blue?

Steve>  My experience is white on blue people actually are
Steve>  reasonable.

It wasnt meant as a joke though as I use the PC often at night and I
donot like  very bright backgrounds or all the lights on in the room
and I have several editors / viewers setup like that as the screen
isnt too bright but the text is clearly visible.

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Re[2]: Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)

[tracer]

Hello Nick Danger,
On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:12:08 -0600 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 1:12:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Nick Danger wrote:

Nick> In Reference to "Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)" From Marck D. Pearlstone:


MDP>> Okay, okay - here's my *final* offer. I still don't see what was wrong
MDP>> in the first place (yeah, yeah; I know!). *mumble* *grumble* *sulk*.

Nick>  Oh, this is too much fun now not to toss in my own couple of
Nick> coppers...  How about the ever popular slash?

What about making it a selectable item from a list? (g)




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Re[2]: Web hyperlinks don't work -get a default browser working first.

[phil]

1st..dl netscape, http://www.ufaq.org/
opera.. thtp://operasoftware.com
2nd..inst windows, in a new directory using 98lite.
http://www.98lite.net/
3rd..inst new browser and set as default browse.
4th..run ROM II.
http://www.silverlink.net/~jensenba/rom2/downloads.html
5th..opt, media player 6.x after ROM II
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/corporate.asp
6th..fire, sec stuff, filt.

AVK> Where to get? I'm usually manually cleaning off all the traces of
AVK> IE, it's a lenghthy procedure , but obviously something is
AVK> left behind;-(

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Re[2]: Ctrl-F4

[Tom Plunket]

MDP> Now,  once again to ensure that the point is made and taken: for those
MDP> of  you that *haven't* broken the default behaviour by using templates
MDP> which  kill reply addresses, replies off-list can be easily made using
MDP> Ctrl-F4. The rest of you know what you're doing and are on your own.

...especially when there's a way to not have the TO/TO thing in the
template but still get the unmunged address.

Although others have taken issue with it, it's far easier for *me* to
see a name in the TO field and assume the email address after it is
right than to decode the actual email address and think about it for a
second.  Sue me.

I choose to check Account Properties->Templates->Reply->Do NOT use From name
in Reply-To.

Oh yeah, you don't lose Ctrl-F4, either, but you'll still piss people
off if you hit the wrong key by accident and don't go everything with
a fine-toothed comb.

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Re: Web hyperlinks don't work

[Rob]

Hello all,

on Sat, 22 Jan 2000, at 17:31:15 local time (GMT +0300), Alexander wrote:

> Where to get? I'm usually manually cleaning off all the traces of IE, it's a
> lenghthy procedure , but obviously something is left behind;-(

i don't think that if you ever installed IE4, you can get rid of it  :-(

i'm still using the original Win95A, that came without IE, but made the
mistake of installing IE4, just to have a look at it ... i didn't like it,
it was too big, so i decided to un-install.
well, you just can _not_ un-install it !! it leaves stuff all over the
place and even after using the 'manual removal' from the 98Lite site,
something stayed behind that keeps creating the usual IE directories ;
Cookies, History, Temporary Internet Files ...

if someone knows a trick to kill it off completely, please tell !!

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Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation

[Christopher J. Trybowski]

Hello Douglas,
On Thursday, January 20, 2000 you wrote:

> The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from
> http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe
> is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup
> routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that?

You  don't  have  to, but you can. TB installation program only copies
the  files to specified directory, nothing else -- it doesn't make any
changes  to  registry  etc.  Even  if someone install TB for the first
time,  the  install  program doesn't do anything with configuration --
it's TB itself that runs the configuration wizard...

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Re: Ctrl-F4

[Steve Lamb]

Saturday, January 22, 2000, 1:58:34 AM, tracer wrote:
> What about white on blue?

My experience is white on blue people actually are reasonable.


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Re: Possible filter bug?

[Steve Lamb]

Saturday, January 22, 2000, 1:34:37 AM, Syafril wrote:
>>> This is very important to filter "bcc:".

SL>> How?  :)

> If  I  receive  message from someone (as bcc:) my Mail Server will add
> "for  [EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Right.  But neither of these is the BCC field.  ;)

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Re: Ctrl-F4 - the dead horse walks again, hopefuuly for the last time

[Steve Lamb]

Saturday, January 22, 2000, 1:12:57 AM, Tom wrote:
> Thanks again.  I try.  ;)  Doesn't help my arguement that we did the
> biggest, most violent playstation game last year, but oh well.  ;)

Whoa, whoa, wait, which one?  Now I'm curious.  :)

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Re: Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Marck,

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:55:19 + GMT (23.01.2000, 01:55 +0800 GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> Okay, okay - here's my *final* offer. I still don't see what was wrong
MDP> in the first place (yeah, yeah; I know!). *mumble* *grumble* *sulk*.

 Works for me. ;-)

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Re: Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)

[Allie Martin]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:12:08 -0600, Nick Danger wrote:

MDP>> Okay, okay - here's my *final* offer. I still don't see what was
MDP>> wrong in the first place (yeah, yeah; I know!). *mumble* *grumble*
MDP>> *sulk*.

>  Oh, this is too much fun now not to toss in my own couple of
> coppers...  How about the ever popular slash?

LOL!

Hey, not bad Nick. I think I like it.

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Re: Shortcut key list?

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Gary & all fellow TBUDL members,

Saturday, January 22, 2000, 9:59:04 AM, Gary wrote to say:

G> Hi TB!,

G> Is there an updated function and/or shortcut key list available. I
G> could not find one in the help files. Thanks in advance.

I know someone posted a url for undocumented TB! commands but I don't
see the bookmark it. I show this:
http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/howdoi.shtml but that's not it.  Got it:

http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcuts.txt

Another thing you can do is: Help | Help Topics | Search and search on
the word command. You'll see a number of keyboard command lists there.
I suggest you maximize your dictionary though just to me safe.

BTW, regarding the F4 thing, I did the address book reply macro to
get the on in there but my replies started coming up blank - so I
dis-activated it. It not much of an issue in my book any way.

Douglas

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Deleting messages in the preview pane

[Tod Beardsley]

Is there any way to turn of the deletion confirmation when deleting
messages from the preview pane? An alert box pops up each time I hit
Del and the preview pane is the active window. The same behavior
doesn't occur when the headers pane is active, or when the message is
in its own window. And since the alert box triggers the chime.wav, it
gets kinda noisy if I'm deleting 50 messages at a time this way.

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Re: Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)

[Nick Danger]

In Reference to "Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)" From Marck D. Pearlstone:


MDP> Okay, okay - here's my *final* offer. I still don't see what was wrong
MDP> in the first place (yeah, yeah; I know!). *mumble* *grumble* *sulk*.

 Oh, this is too much fun now not to toss in my own couple of
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Re: Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Thomas,

On  22 January 2000  at  23:53:05 GMT +0800 (which was 15:53 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:

AM>> :)))  We're  trying  to  diffuse  the  situation aren't we? I
AM>> really like the concept of it. Unfortunately the drawbacks exist.
AM>> 

TF> Should be the colon. Works without, but all recipients start with  the
TF> first five characters "Attn " is slightly annoying.

Okay, okay - here's my *final* offer. I still don't see what was wrong
in the first place (yeah, yeah; I know!). *mumble* *grumble* *sulk*.

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Re: Shortcut key list?

[Juergen Frisch]

 Saturday, January 22, 2000, 16:59, Gary wrote:

>   Is there an updated function and/or shortcut key list available.
>   I could not find one in the help files.  Thanks in advance.

Hello Gary,

   did you look here: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ ?

   Pay attention to that point: "Is their a compiled list of keyboard
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Re[2]: Ctrl-F4

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Allie & all fellow TBUDL members,

Saturday, January 22, 2000, 8:42:34 AM, Allie wrote:

AM> ... I am directing my comments to the persons message to which I'm
AM> replying, however, with the knowledge that the rest of the
AM> subscribers are reading it as well. I see no problem then in
AM> replying to subscriber 'jasper on TBUDL' instead of just plain
AM> 'jasper jones' with TBUDL's address beside it.

A simple, logical and effective solution that doesn't demand much of
the user and IMO should be acceptable to all concerned.

DH

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Re: Newsreading with Bat?

[Jast]

Morning tracer,

> Spmeone told me that one really should have a separator line as a
> feature of the bat when quoting, or a blank line.
> Anyway, I donot see lines after quotes in your msg so I do
> musunderstand it?

 Looks  like it :-) As you can see, I left a blank line between the quotes and
 my  text.  It  just  makes it easier to read, even with named quotation marks
 color coding...


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Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Allie,

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:47:00  -0500 GMT (22.01.2000, 23:47 +0800 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

AM> :))) We're trying to diffuse the situation aren't we? I really like
AM> the concept of it. Unfortunately the drawbacks exist. 

Should be the colon. Works without, but all recipients start with  the
first five characters "Attn " is slightly annoying.

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Shortcut key list?

[Gary]

Hi TB!,

  Is there an updated function and/or shortcut key list available.  I
  could not find one in the help files.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: Newsreading with Bat?

[Allie Martin]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 16:39:53 +0100, Jast wrote:

>> Spmeone told me that one really should have a separator line as a
>> feature of the bat when quoting, or a blank line. Anyway, I donot see
>> lines after quotes in your msg so I do musunderstand it?

>  Looks  like it :-) As you can see, I left a blank line between the quotes and
>  my  text.  It  just  makes it easier to read, even with named quotation marks
>  color coding...

... and Tracer:

this:

> If I remember, I installed it and started using it. Only thing going
> wrong was import of my old mail and that was my stupid mistake...
> Admittedly I am not using the Bat  in anyway upto its max but its does
> what I want in most ways.

is easier to read than this:

> If I remember, I installed it and started using it.
> Only thing going wrong was import of my old mail and that was my
> stupid mistake...
> Admittedly I am not using the Bat  in anyway upto its max but its does
> what I want in most ways.

All it took was Alt+L or simply using the autoformat option. :)

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Re: Ctrl-F4

[Allie Martin]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:14:04 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

> Well, above you can see my compromise. What do you think?

:))) We're trying to diffuse the situation aren't we? I really like
the concept of it. Unfortunately the drawbacks exist. 

> I got fed up with Folder templates pretty soon, I must confess. I have
> tried to remove them all in favour of address specific or global ones.

I find myself doing the very same thing lately.

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Re: Web hyperlinks don't work

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Allie,

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 09:22:30  -0500 GMT (22.01.2000, 22:22 +0800 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

>> Actually, I do have NC 4.7 installed, and URL from TB launch there. If
>> NC is not open, it will open it, if it _is_ open, the requested URL
>> will come up in the latest active instance. So, NC is your default
>> browser, you can stay with The Bat!. (Or did I miss something?)

AM> Netscape seems to be the problem. Opera, when set as the default
AM> browser works OK. IE *cough*, when set as the default, works OK. And now
AM> you are telling me about Netcaptor which works OK? What's the deal with
AM> Netscape?

NC = Netscape Communicator. Sorry for creating a misunderstanding. I
won't use that abbreviation again.

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Re: Ctrl-F4

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Allie,

On  22 January 2000  at  09:42:34 GMT  -0500 (which was 14:42 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:

AM> I  have  placed  this  macro in my address book specific reply
AM> template for TBUDL:

AM> %TO=""%TO="%OFROMFNAME on TB!_UDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

Well, above you can see my compromise. What do you think?

AM> I am beginning to like the address book specific templates.

I  have  always used them for this list and, in fact, most addresses I
commonly use.

AM> Another  thing is that the Ctrl+F4 works as it should.

True.

AM> Yet another thing is that the templates follow addresses to
AM> whatever location you place them. I may then filter TBUDL messages
AM> to wherever I wish without hitting reply and seeing the wrong
AM> template generated.

I got fed up with Folder templates pretty soon, I must confess. I have
tried to remove them all in favour of address specific or global ones.

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Re: Web hyperlinks don't work

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 22 Jan 00, at 5:06, phil wrote
about "Re[3]: Web hyperlinks don't work":

> Nothing Strange about that.
> Did you make Netscape the Default Browser?  I got win98 running with
> No IE,  First I installed win98(regular) using 98lite, then I ran ROM
> II on it (revenge of mozilla II)  The Bat launches urls for me in
> netscape gold 3.01.  I wont even run 4.7 of netscape let alone m$ie.

Where to get? I'm usually manually cleaning off all the traces of IE, it's a 
lenghthy procedure , but obviously something is left behind;-(

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Re: Ctrl-F4

[Allie Martin]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:30:58 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

[..snip..]

> I'm  afraid  that  I  will not be doing you the "courtesy" of removing
> your  RealName from the To: address of this message as Allie did. I am
> sending  a  message  to  the  TBUDL  list  which  I am addressing to a
> specific individual: Steve Lamb. That does not imply that Steve Lamb's
> e-mail  address is that of the list. Nobody on this list ever believed
> it did.

Hey Marck, I still happen to share some of your sentiments on the
matter and decided to make a compromise that I think is reasonable and I
will not waver from since, as I said before, I do not thread my messages
and instead use the To: column to see what's happening. Furthermore when I
to messages on the list, I am directing my comments to the persons message
to which I'm replying, however, with the knowledge that the rest of the
subscribers are reading it as well. I see no problem then in replying to
subscriber 'jasper on TBUDL' instead of just plain 'jasper jones' with
TBUDL's address beside it.

The feature, if properly used, does put some power into seeing what's
happening in discussion list mail when managed without threading for
whatever reason. Marck ends up not using threading because he manages new
messages via the ticker generated virtual folder window. I don't use
threading because the thread view uses a variable amount of screen width
when collapsed as opposed to expanded. Navigating threads is also awkward.

I have placed this macro in my address book specific reply template
for TBUDL:

%TO=""%TO="%OFROMFNAME on TB!_UDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

I am beginning to like the address book specific templates. They only
take effect when the reply:to address corresponds to that of the address
book address. Another thing is that the Ctrl+F4 works as it should. Yet
another thing is that the templates follow addresses to whatever location
you place them. I may then filter TBUDL messages to wherever I wish
without hitting reply and seeing the wrong template generated.

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Re: Web hyperlinks don't work

[Allie Martin]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:18:55 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Actually, I do have NC 4.7 installed, and URL from TB launch there. If
> NC is not open, it will open it, if it _is_ open, the requested URL
> will come up in the latest active instance. So, NC is your default
> browser, you can stay with The Bat!. (Or did I miss something?)

Netscape seems to be the problem. Opera, when set as the default
browser works OK. IE *cough*, when set as the default, works OK. And now
you are telling me about Netcaptor which works OK? What's the deal with
Netscape?

The Bat! should really have a manual hook to the desired browser to
use instead of using the registry.

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Re[3]: TB! v 1.39 Installation

[tracer]

Hello Tom Plunket,
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:53:09 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 22, 2000, 3:53:09 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Tom Plunket wrote:

>>> It also seems to me that software should assimilate and be responsive
>>> to the needs of its users - not vice versa.

J>>  True,  but  it's  hard  for  software  itself to do so. Sure, you can make it
J>>  super-customizable,  but that will always mean work for the user to customize
J>>  it.

Tom> How long did it take you all to get a working installation of TB!?  It
Tom> took me a long time.  That was a lot of work.  Plus, I'm sharp and
Tom> actually know a thing or two about computers (thanks to Doug Hinds to
Tom> point that out), but TB! is already in the super-customizable state.
If I remember, I installed it and started using it.
Only thing going wrong was import of my old mail and that was my
stupid mistake...
Admittedly I am not using the Bat  in anyway upto its max but its does
what I want in most ways.
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Re[2]: Ctrl-F4

[tracer]

Hello Steve Lamb,
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:14:07 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 22, 2000, 1:14:07 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:

Steve> There is not a single legitimate argument for it.  It is one of those
Steve> things in TB!, along with RE counting, that *NEVER* should have been
Steve> implemented, *MUST* be removed and, damned all to hell, some people think is a
Steve> really swell idea.  No doubt they want bright pink text on a yellow
Steve> background, with blink, as well.  Geez.
What about white on blue?


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Re[2]: Newsreading with Bat?

[tracer]

Hello Jast,
On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:36:20 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 22, 2000, 11:36:20 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Jast wrote:


Jast>  Not  every (net) community has the same standards and rules, and in some good
Jast>  message  trimming  and  formatting might not be so important. But it is here,
Jast>  and  I'd  prefer  if  sir tracer would trim his mails a little and put a line
Jast>  after the quotes . . . please?
Spmeone told me that one really should have a separator line as a
feature of the bat when quoting, or a blank line.
Anyway, I donot see lines after quotes in your msg so I do
musunderstand it?
I thought its obvious when quoting since the name of the person quoted
is still there...



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Re: Ctrl-F4 (was: Re: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL)

[Allie Martin]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:43:50 +0100, Jast wrote:

>  This  depends  on  whether  you have the TBUDL templates based on the
>  address book  or as a folder template. If you use the address book then
>  that template will be overridden when you reply to sender.

You're right. My UDL templates are in my address book.

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Re[2]: Ctrl-F4

[phil]

AM> Ah Thomas, why are you acting as if discussions don't resurface
AM> because of new subscribers among other things. Anyway, Steve does make a
AM> good point. He among others dislike seeing their names being associated
AM> with an address that is not theirs. If *you* write a reply to Steve and
AM> you haven't disabled the option at *your* end, guess what he'll see:
AM> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AM> And yet, he has disabled the option at his end. Therefore to maintain
AM> the piece and not offend recipients of my note, I'll not do things
AM> inflammatory and this in my reply template:
AM> %TO=""%TO="TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
AM> This will allow you to keep the name association enabled but the macro
AM> above will prevent it from taking effect with TBUDL. Yes, Thomas, that's
AM> another reason for placing this macro in the reply template. ;-D
Hey, I am a new subscriber. What can you guys find out about me, and
what can I do to block it? I already know about hex editing the
"X-mailer:" I wish they would just give us a patch for a X-mailer
switch. But what else should I be doing beyond that? I see this looks
like something your discussing here. Please help me look more stealth.
I have MANY IP's, what else should I be doing to avoid patterns and
obvious things that stockers look for?

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Re[3]: Web hyperlinks don't work

[phil]

I ain't caught the beginning of the thread..  But..
  
ncc> Thanks, Rob, for your efforts.  Unfortunately that's not the problem
ncc> (although  I did give it a try).   I finally wrote to the Bat Cave and
ncc> they answered, explaining that TB! *needs* Internet Exploiter installed
ncc> in order to properly launch URL's.  (Yes, I neglected to mention that
ncc> i'm using a version of Win95B that was installed w/o *any* IE files.
ncc> Strange,but true)
Nothing Strange about that.
Did you make Netscape the Default Browser?  I got win98 running with
No IE,  First I installed win98(regular) using 98lite, then I ran ROM
II on it (revenge of mozilla II)  The Bat launches urls for me in
netscape gold 3.01.  I wont even run 4.7 of netscape let alone m$ie.

I can totally relate.

One thing that ROM II said was that you need to have netscape
installed and set as your default browser before you run ROM II.
And they say not to run it on an already loaded system, but I never
had a problem, I've only had to reinstall that media player thing so I
get the DirectX for "certain things."  I am not sure which path you
followed to install 95b with no IE; that is the reason I
went with 98, I never found a tutorial on how to do it 100%.


ncc> After torturing myself w/ the Agent e-mail program for many months, I
ncc> decided to try something else.   In the last 30 days i've tried
ncc> Calypso,  TB! and Becky.  All 4 of these programs have things that are
ncc> *really* cool and all have things that i'd like to change.  But,
ncc> unfortunately, *none* of them will display HTML mail *AND* "launch"
ncc> URL's to the default browser.  Agent & Calypso will "launch" URL's
ncc> fine and TB! will display HTML mail beautifully (w/o using the IE "rendering
ncc> engine" !!).  Becky does neither.
I have the HTML switch turned off in the bat. On something like
Lockergnome, you can just check the headers, then run it in HTML. It's
pretty safe this way I'd say.

ncc> Tonight I stray further afield and try replacing Navigator 4.08 with
ncc> Communicator 4.7 so I can see if I can live w/ it's e-mail program.  I can
ncc> hear your voices already, as I type this: "You'll be back!".   I know -
ncc> I know.
Run Netscape 3.01 on if you want my opinion. I
particularly like 3.01 or 3.04 because you can hack the resource files
and make the buttons and things go/do what you want.

Else Opera (hey they finally got that going in linux!!)

ncc> The alternative is to install the Evil Infestation From Redmond.  I
ncc> don't think that I can do it.
I wouldn't.  It's more like a trojan horse.  Plus your system wont be
as stable or lean.

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Re: Ctrl-F4 - the dead horse walks again, hopefuuly for the last time

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

On  22  January  2000  at  01:24:08 GMT -0800 (which was 09:24 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:

TP> [so  sorry, to list, for this post directed to the person named in
TP> the To: field, but about whom the email address means nothing.]

TP> Turning that forsaken option off right now, thought I had before...

Actually  it  proves  more  about the downside of you guys beating the
dead horse than it supports the argument for "turning the option off".

This  *entire*  thread  spawned from my recommendation that Ctrl-F4 be
used  for  off-list  replies.  Look  at  the  subject! Clearly the
message fell on deaf ears.

Now get with the programme. Don't subvert an important announcement to
beat a side-issue opinion to death and thus dilute the message.

One more time:

Try  to  memorise  the Ctrl-F4 reply key to ensure that replies to
sender go there and not to the list.

If  you've got a foible that forces you to subvert the reply template,
and  thus  the  reply  address then you clearly know enough to make it
work right, not wrong for using Ctrl-F4!

Don't  argue with me about this here anymore. No one has said anything
that  made  any  difference to me. The only thing achieved was to hide
the original announcement.

This  is clearly a real DEAD HORSE ('cos you ain't changing my opinion
with anything that's been said, nor will you).

One last time: remember Ctrl-F4 to go off-list!

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Re: Ctrl-F4

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Steve,

On  21 January 2000  at  15:57:17 GMT -0800 (which was 23:57 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:

>> While  most respond to sender when typing Ctrl+F5, ALL responded to
>> sender using Ctrl+F4. Therefore, I would say that all lists are not
>> the  same  and  that  Marck  was correct in recommending the use of
>> Ctrl+F4 when replying to sender only.

Thank you for bringing it back on topic.

SL> You missed the point.  He was saying that combining the from
SL> name with the reply-to address was good on this list because when
SL> you reply you're generally replying to the individual.

In  that case, you subverted the point. I said all of that as an aside
of  my own opinion when someone else said the Ctrl-F4 was not the best
way  to  reply  to  sender.  Well,  that's only because you guys broke
*that*   behaviour   by  "knowing  better".  I'll  admit  that  you're
technically  correct.  It doesn't change "what is". Nor does it change
what  I prefer to see. Nor does anything you (or anyone else) has said
change my opinion here.

The  electronic  routing address gets messages from point of origin to
destination  mailbox.  The  transition  from  screen  to  chair is one
outside of that and IMHO can *only* be correctly achieved on this list
by doing the undoable - munging.

You said:

> ... And in the body of the message, low and behold, we have an
> attribution line with the person's name in it!
> 
> "Friday, January 21, 2000, 11:55:25 AM, Marck wrote:"

...  This only indicates that you are quoting me, not *addressing* me.
Nothing  in  *your*  postings is addressed to an individual unless you
happen to name them in your rhetoric. What is polite about that?

SL> Wrong.  There are some things you don't do.  Hey everybody, I
SL> want to drive on the other side of the street. I can, different
SL> strokes for different folks. Nevermind that it breaks how the
SL> system works!

Sorry Steve but that is an exaggeration and as such does not represent
you well in debate. It defuses your point and dilutes its' validity.

What  we  are  debating  here is more akin to breaking the speed limit
than  it  is  to  driving on the wrong side of the road and it doesn't
break  the  system, just bends it for convenience. Actually, IMHO it's
more  akin to taking advantage of the 70mph limit of the motorway when
driving  on  a  motorway  instead  of  keeping  to  the  30mph in town
restriction  at  all  times.  It's  about  context.  Sure, if taken to
extremes you can find ways to show that the practice *could* break the
system, but in this context and the way it is used, it doesn't.

I  really  don't  believe a single person reading this mail thinks for
*one  second*  that your email address is that of this list, no matter
that the text is "associated" in the address header.

I'm  afraid  that  I  will not be doing you the "courtesy" of removing
your  RealName from the To: address of this message as Allie did. I am
sending  a  message  to  the  TBUDL  list  which  I am addressing to a
specific individual: Steve Lamb. That does not imply that Steve Lamb's
e-mail  address is that of the list. Nobody on this list ever believed
it did.

In no other domain would I wish to do that.

The Bug
---
One  thing I will concede. Munged addresses *Must Not* be added to the
MRU  list  for auto-completion. That, IMHO, is the only bug here. That
is where bad things *do* happen.

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of  you that *haven't* broken the default behaviour by using templates
which  kill reply addresses, replies off-list can be easily made using
Ctrl-F4. The rest of you know what you're doing and are on your own.

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Re: Web hyperlinks don't work

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Tom,

On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:20:03 -0800 GMT (22.01.2000, 14:20 +0800 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

ncc> Tonight I stray further afield and try replacing Navigator 4.08 with
ncc> Communicator 4.7 so I can see if I can live w/ it's e-mail program.  I can
ncc> hear your voices already, as I type this: "You'll be back!".   I know -
ncc> I know.

Actually, I do have NC 4.7 installed, and URL from TB launch there. If
NC is not open, it will open it, if it _is_ open, the requested URL
will come up in the latest active instance. So, NC is your default
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RE: Web hyperlinks don't work

[Rob]

>There is (or was) a list somewhere on Netscape's support pages.

found it ...
http://developer.netscape.com/docs/mauals/deploymt/jsprefs.htm

nothing useful about opening a new window when clicking a URL ...

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RE: Web hyperlinks don't work

[Rob]

>they answered, explaining that TB! *needs* Internet Exploiter installed
>in order to properly launch URL's.

huh ? i'm running Win95A without IE ... i had IE4 once, but de-installed it 
and manually removed everything that the de-install left.

>Strange,but true)

not so strange  ;-)

>Tonight I stray further afield and try replacing Navigator 4.08 with
>Communicator 4.7 so I can see if I can live w/ it's e-mail program.  I can
>hear your voices already, as I type this: "You'll be back!".   I know -
>I know.

see you later  

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Headers

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello TBUDL!

I have seen the shft-crtl-K toggles the "RFC822 Headers" on/off in the
View Folder's View menu option's drop down menu.

remsorry all native english speakers, I just couldn't resist
remthis wording. ;-)

Wouldn't that also be nicer in the main menu, to get rid of the word
"kludges"?

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Re: Ctrl-F4

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Allie,

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 02:48:49  -0500 GMT (22.01.2000, 15:48 +0800 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

AM> Ah Thomas, why are you acting as if discussions don't resurface
AM> because of new subscribers among other things.

I had the feel the discussion was not dominated by new members. Never
mind. ;-)

AM> He among others dislike seeing their names being associated
AM> with an address that is not theirs.

AM> I'll not do things inflammatory and this in my reply template:

I actually *like* TB!'s feature/bug, albeit for mailing lists only.
For the same reason as Marck: I prioritize messages that are replies
to posting from myself, but I also like to see already in the message
list who replied to who. Sure, the original poster's name in the reply
template of most (not all) members of the list, but I would have to
open the message to see it, right?

So, while there are valid technical reasons to not associate the
original sender's name with the list's email address, I propose to
make the exception in mailing list's for convenience reasons. I know
Steve, you, and others have another opinion, so there is not need to
repeat/prolong the thread here. I justed wanted to voice my opinion
.

AM> %TO=""%TO="TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

Yes, I see the point now.

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Re: Ctrl-F4 (was: Re: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL)

[Jast]

Morning Allie Martin,

> The next thing is that Ctrl-F4 *does* work as it should with that
> macro in the reply template. I just tried it. :)

 This  depends  on  whether  you have the TBUDL templates based on the address
 book  or as a folder template. If you use the address book then that template
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Re: Possible filter bug?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On  Saturday,  January  22,  2000  at  12:57:36  GMT  +0800 (which was
22/01/2000 11:57 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list:

>>> This is very important to filter "bcc:".

SL>> How?  :)

TF> Some  people  may  have  a  need for it. Use Presence in "kludges"
TF> instead of recipients. ;-)

That  is  what  I do right now, the weakness of this is if sometimes I
want  to  forward  or  redirect to our internal list, the message will
goes  to  original  folder,  for example I redirect message from TBUDL
folder  to  [EMAIL PROTECTED], after the message back to me, it's
filter and going to TBUDL folder.

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Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation

[Peter Steiner]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:20:33 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote:

>>> The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from
>>> http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe
>>> is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup
>>> routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that?

PS>> It is a self-extracting RAR archive. You can open it with e.g.
PS>> WinRAR (www.rarsoft.com) without executing it.

> I have winrar installed and expected it to take over, if the file was
> compressed, which it didn't. Thanks to your tip, I opened winrar and
> dragged the file to it, which then should it's contents.

When i rightclick on the_bat.exe, i get an entry "Open with WinRAR".
I made a habit of trying to look into an exe file before running
it...

I guess you thought of the feature of self-extracting WinZip files
that ask you if you want to run it or just open it with WinZip

> Thanks again for the tip.

You're welcome

Regards

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Re: Web hyperlinks don't work

[Peter Steiner]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:20:03 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I finally wrote to the Bat Cave and they answered, explaining that
> TB! *needs* Internet Exploiter installed in order to properly
> launch URL's. (Yes, I neglected to mention that i'm using a
> version of Win95B that was installed w/o *any* IE files.
> Strange,but true)

[snip]

> The alternative is to install the Evil Infestation From Redmond. I
> don't think that I can do it. 

I wish you that you don't have. I had to. There is so many software
out there (okay, the most in some way ore other web related) that
doesn't work right without at least IE 3, that i had to allow v3.02
to my NT workstation. And the hyperlinks in TB! work for me.

So if you have to give way to the alternative, there is no need to
get the beast number 4 or 5 ;-)

Regards

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Re: Possible filter bug?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Steve Lamb,

On  Saturday,  January  22,  2000  at  09:24:03  GMT  -0800 (which was
22/01/2000 0:24 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list:

>> This is very important to filter "bcc:".

SL> How?  :)

If  I  receive  message from someone (as bcc:) my Mail Server will add
"for  [EMAIL PROTECTED]"  in  top  of message header header (in my
Qmail I use "Delivered-to:" and in Sendmail I use "Envelopt-to:), I am
adding  this  extra  header on purpose to give our Mdaemon client (who
use DomainPOP Service) to parsing correct address.

Luckily,  this  extra  header  (in  Qmail  or  SendMail)  also give me
possibilities  to  track down who (actually) sent me the message. Most
of  the  time  the  message  came from "spammer", so I just drag in to
"Spam  Folder"  (which  will generate mail command to my Server to add
the address to the suppression/Anti-Spam List).


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Re[3]: Ctrl-F4 - the dead horse walks again, hopefuuly for the last time

[Tom Plunket]

TP> Thank you!

AGH!  I wish if I saw the person's name in the To: field it would
reply directly to them!

[so sorry, to list, for this post directed to the person named in the
To: field, but about whom the email address means nothing.]

Turning that forsaken option off right now, thought I had before...

-tom!

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Re: Wish List - "Marked Read" Feature

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On  Saturday,  January  22,  2000  at  13:02:07  GMT  +0800 (which was
22/01/2000 12:02 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list:

>>> Do I have to configure the ticker somewhere?

SL>> No,  turn  on message list in the view folder (remember, it isn't
SL>> view message) window.

TF> Latest  on  this  (and closing statement): I've found this virutal
TF> folder, I *love* it, and have no idea how I ever lived without out
TF> it. Bye-bye preview pane. :-)

Actually I do both since beginning using The Bat!.
Preview  pane  to  view  *not priority* folder (or in thread mode if I
want  to  see related message) and Ticker with "message List view" for
*priority" message.

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Re[2]: Ctrl-F4 - the dead horse walks again, hopefuuly for the last time

[Tom Plunket]

>> You obviously have a number of options, including the intentional
>> distortion of my remarks, making snide remarks of your own and
>> disregarding the moderators request to drop the excessive antagonism
>> you've chosen to associate with this thread.

SL> Actually, Doug, they weren't distorted.  You did basically tell people
SL> that they could write their own of they so chose.

Thank you!  I have tried to tell this man this, but to no end.  Not to
mention the endless stream of messages to his mailbox from me, "Let's
keep this off list!"  

TP>>> The reason *I* buy software is not because I *can't* write it, it's
TP>>> because I *don't want to*.  My business is making video games,

>> That explains it: saturated with violence and fantasy.

SL> Also means he's got a lot more intelligence than most people.  Notable on
SL> that list, you.

Thanks again.  I try.  ;)  Doesn't help my arguement that we did the
biggest, most violent playstation game last year, but oh well.  ;)

>> I'm sorry you seem unable to control your rage, but I'm sure the
>> source is internal. You try too hard at the wrong things. In spite of
>> the friendly post I sent you off list earlier today in order to start
>> anew, you have this new to keeping harping about which can only be
>> rightfully described as a dead horse.

SL> Yet here you are perpetuating it.

 as I've said to him, heh...

"Friendly post" is a pipe dream too, as you might have imagined...

SL> Furthermore it is most often you that distorts people's words. In
SL> the few messages I've seen from you haven't once gotten what
SL> people have so clearly said. You distort them and make conflict
SL> where there is none.

I can only hope that if more people than just me drive it into this
man's skull that he'll start to take things to heart.  Obviously he
thinks I'm spawn of Satan or some such nonsense by now...

SL> You're the first on this list.  *plonk*

Damn, I tried to do that then went into account administrator or
whatever and found all of his messages still sitting on my dumb
mailserver!  Ack!

>> expect. These tantrums and personal insinuations have nothing to do
>> with TB! and the show will go on with or without you. Not all of us
>> play games.

SL> Go away, Doug, you're the problem.

heh.  I really liked the "and the show will go on with or without you"
bit...

'til next time,
-tom!

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