Re: VOTE against the newsreader integrated in the next version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 10:41 PM or thereabouts, Christine
Bonelli wrote the following about VOTE against the newsreader
integrated in the next version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?:

CB> Sorry for babbling, but my point is: Why the need for a newsreader
CB> with TheBat? I've got enough junk bloating up my computer, do I
CB> really need more? If there is an overwhelming need for a
CB> newsreader to be incorporated with TheBat, please make it a
CB> plug-in.

Perhaps it's not so much the desire of a newsreader WITH The Bat! as
it is the desire for a newsreader of the same QUALITY as The Bat! ...
I'm one of the folk who'd like to see one, but as a plug-in, yes ...
just as most of us moved from e-mail client to e-mail client before
settling on TB!, many of us find all of the newsreaders somehow
lacking.  So, maybe not so much wanting TB! to do everything, but
wanting everything to be done as well, eh?

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Jan-Arild,

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:50:33 +0200GMT (16/08/2000, 04:50 +0800GMT),
Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:

JAL> It doesn't seem to make any difference whether the original message
JAL> contains 10 or 500 lines of text. The same thing happens every time -
JAL> i.e all the text (except from the last 4-5 lines), and the scrollbar
JAL> disappear. Always.

Always, but not with all messages. The prob may be reproducible if the
messages does not fill a screen, but some longer messages are effected
too.

JAL> BTW. In which version of TB! did this start to occur? I have used it
JAL> since 1.39 but I can't remember seeing this prior to my last upgrade
JAL> to 1.45.but yes, I am an old and absent-minded kind of person, so
JAL> I might very well be wrong :)

I think I first reported it on the beta list on 27 May 2000, when
v1.44 came out.

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Re[2]: VOTE against the newsreader integrated in the next version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?

[Christine Bonelli]

Hello randybr,

Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 4:10:41 PM, you wrote:

rpn> I use the bat BECAUSE

rpn>   it allows me to turn OFF html decoding of messages (when i want a web browser,
rpn> i'll use a web browser)frankly i wish that ability had never been added to the
rpn> bat either

I have no desire to view an html message or send one. I have TB! set
up to view in plain text. My friends often send me barely readable
html messages. I refuse to even try to decode the mess they send me. I
can't wait for the day when they realize that they don't need to use
html to express themselves. They remind me of when I first went on
line and thought html e-mail was "so cool" That was back then I was on
AOL [shudder] and honestly didn't even know what the internet was. And
of course, I didn't even realize that so much of AOL mail is
indecipherable on other e-mail servers.

rpn>   it is not bloated with a newsreader (or other) program that i do not want
rpn> or need  (with all the spam, i hardly ever directly read usenet anymore, i use
rpn> dejanews to search instead)

I like checking out usenet when I get the chance. For the longest
time, my newsreader of choice was Gravity, but there was something
lacking with the program. Now, I'm trying Agent and have recently
downloaded XNews. I'm having fun with both. I think, though that I'm
going to stick with XNews. Yeah, I know you can't off-line read with
it. But, I've recently started using the cable modem, so I guess I
don't have to worry about that. I just love the way XNews is set up,
and the fact that Luu Tran is constantly upgrading it. Honestly,
though, I seldom post on usenet, I'm more of a lurker.

Sorry for babbling, but my point is: Why the need for a newsreader
with TheBat? I've got enough junk bloating up my computer, do I really
need more? If there is an overwhelming need for a newsreader to be
incorporated with TheBat, please make it a plug-in.

PS: I hope that this semi-newbie isn't going to be "trouted" for being
a bit long winded.[though my kitties hope that this is the case, since
it's been a long time since they've had fresh fish. ]

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Re: VOTE against the newsreader integrated in the next version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?

[John Sullivan]

On Tuesday 15 August 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   it allows me to turn OFF html decoding of messages (when i want a web browser,
> i'll use a web browser)frankly i wish that ability had never been added to the
> bat either

[ditto with newsreader capability, etc...]

Actually, I'd normally be on that side, except that I have TB
configured to display plain text by default. HTML viewing then becomes
a similar feature to JPEG/GIF/PNG attachment viewing, vCard/x50x
certificate capability etc. Something that counts as a convenient
shortcut that saves me having to save out the attachment, or even the
whole message, before acting on it.

TB, to me, still maintains the crucial distinction between core
features and useful add-ons. If I want to view a HTML attachment, it's
one click away, but normally I can ignore it if I want. Of course the
opposite it true as well - if I consider HTML a must have, I can
configure HTML view as the default.

I use both Free Agent and Outlook Express as newsreaders under
Windows, and although OE has by far the better interface, it fails to
make this distinction between necessary and wanted features. I of
course use TB as my mail reader, but unless I configure OE with a
valid POP/SMTP server it complains bitterly each time I start it up.
So I have to hack around it with 'dummy' non-functional servers or
put up with an error each time.

Thus to me the issue is not the amount of functionality within a
program (although it's a bonus if optional extras are separately
downloadable, which is easy enough to do in component-based
programming) but the ability to choose which parts of the function of
a program are important *to*you* and dynamically turn them on and
others off.

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Re: mono type fonts

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:34:39 +0200, Johannes M. Posel wrote:

JMP> I've got a question. Why does TB always display the wrong font size
JMP> in the sending editor?! When I preview or read a mail, it's fine at
JMP> 12 pitch, but when i write a new message, forward or redirect (in
JMP> fact every time I am in the compose part of the editor) it swaps to
JMP> 18 pitch?!!

JMP> What did I do wrong? :(

Does it simply swaps font size or is the font itself changed?

Not all fonts support all the charsets. TB! tends to use the same
charset in replies as the sender uses. This is in order to maintain the
character support of the sender. If your default font doesn't support
the senders charset, then TB! will automatically switch to one that does
upon replying. The font will therefore change. Since fonts appear
different sizes at the same 'pitch', it may look as if the 'pitch' has
been changed.

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Re: Clocks, oh look at those clocks (was: Re: Replies arrive before originals)

[tracer]

Hello Marc,
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:29:34 -0400 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 10:29:34 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Marc wrote:


> Hello Januk,

> Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 1:38:31 am, you wrote:

>>>   It might just be that he needs a new battery.

JA>>  If it were that, wouldn't shutting off my computer reset the clock
JA>>  every time?  (This doesn't happen.)  I don't see any pattern, so I
JA>>  think it might be some obscure app or Windows feature that is
JA>>  occasionally messing up my clock.

> No. It would not. Replace the battery and see if that does it. If it
> does not go to the usenet news forums and post a Q at:

there are motherboards where the battery isnt used for the clock.
Clock can sit in a special chip made (amongst others) by a company
called Dallas  (forgot the rest of the name).
Anyway you can depending on motherboard have the situation that the
board remembers the bios settings but if the clock chip or its build
in battery (if thats what you have) arent working properly...
I used a utility in the past which would warn me if the time/date went
backwards as its quite painful to run system utilities with the wrong
date and also some programs may stop running if they thing you mess
with the clock.
Anyway, do you know exact type / brand of the motherboard?

It can be that chip with its long life build in battery having a
problem OR of the board is still under waranty  I would try to get a
replacement/proper working board.
Under most circumstances this kind of odd behaviour would be a
hardware problem.


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Re[2]: VOTE against the newsreader integrated in the next version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?

[Deryk Lister]

I would have to be one to vote against.  I've seen all this before,
when a simple program tries to be a load of other things at the same
time and turns into a bloat or something else horrible.

Some examples from the past of things that have started off simple and
powerful, but turned into feature bloats or other messy results:

Netscape Navigator --> Netscape Communicator
Mirabilis ICQ --> AOL ICQ,
Windows 95 --> Windows 98  (or IE3 --> IE4)
Standard sound drivers --> Creative Live!ware type packages
Linux Kernel --> GNU Linux

So some may be debatable, particularly the latter in this supposed OS
revolution.  But I see all of them as things that started off as
simple and promising, yet ended up with a ton of extra addons and
features that turned them into something horrible.  IMNSHO.

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Re: Memo Field - Ideas for better implementation.

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 4:06 PM or thereabouts, Nick Danger
wrote the following about Memo Field - Ideas for better
implementation.:

C>> because it was too difficult to "flag" a message that had a memo
C>> using the current memo column implementation without eating up a
C>> lot of screen space.

ND> I've come up with a bit of a work around for this Chuck. I set my
ND> column width for the memo at 6, and then use an exclamation "!" as
ND> the first character in any memo I write. That leaves just enough
ND> room for a "!" to show up for any message with a memo attached,
ND> yet hardly uses any real estate.

Indeed, and I have done this, but I found myself wanting quicker
access to the info contained in the memo ... that's why I found your
suggestion of having it automatically pop-up as an on-top window so
appealing.  When I see that something has a memo, I resent that extra
step of having to dig for it.

I'm trying to remember ... I think Pegasus had a similar thing to the
memo, calling it an "annotation" ... there, though, it was signified
by a "dot" next to the message and if I remember correctly the
annotation would pop up as a separate memo window with a key
combination ... closer to what I'd like, but not quite.

Chuck
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Re: Memo Field - Ideas for better implementation.

[Nick Danger]

In Reference to "Memo Field - Ideas for better implementation." From Chuck Mattsen: "

C> because it was too difficult to "flag" a message that had a memo using
C> the current memo column implementation without eating up a lot of
C> screen space.

I've come up with a bit of a work around for this Chuck.  I set my
column width for the memo at 6, and then use an exclamation "!" as the
first character in any memo I write.  That leaves just enough room for
a "!" to show up for any message with a memo attached, yet hardly uses
any real estate.

Of course, your width may vary I guess dependant upon your font size
but you should be able to get away with a sliver relative to the other
fields regardless.

Something to try anyway.

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Re: mono type fonts

[Johannes M. Posel]

Hi there Curtis,

Am 14.08.2000 so gegen 07:12 meintest Du:

> You'll see a few free ones here and there are also links to others that
> you'd have to 'fork over' (pay) for. :-)

I've got a question. Why does TB always display the wrong font size
in the sending editor?! When I preview or read a mail, it's fine at 12
pitch, but when i write a new message, forward or redirect (in fact
every time I am in the compose part of the editor) it swaps to 18
pitch?!!

What did I do wrong? :(

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Re: VOTE against the newsreader integrated in the next version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?

[randybr]

I use the bat BECAUSE

  it allows me to turn OFF html decoding of messages (when i want a web browser,
i'll use a web browser)frankly i wish that ability had never been added to the
bat either

  it is not bloated with a newsreader (or other) program that i do not want
or need  (with all the spam, i hardly ever directly read usenet anymore, i use
dejanews to search instead)

  it is the smoothest in handling multiple email addresses that i have found


If any of these things goes away, i'll probably start shopping again.

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello Graham,

Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 8:16:29 AM, you wrote:

> Exactly the same here Jan-Arild. I wonder why??

A poor consolation I know, but you are not alone feeling this way
Graham. I am totally lost.

What is even more frustrating is that I am not in possession of the
special knowledge needed to be able to figure out what may cause this
to occur. The only thing _I_ can do is to report what I see, and hope
that you guys find a solution.

Jan-Arild

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello Januk,

Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 8:08:12 AM, you wrote:

> In essence, what I found is that the scroll bars are calculated on
> the amount of text in the message. Have you noticed if you go to
> the beginning of these replies, then the text all fits into one
> screen?

It doesn't seem to make any difference whether the original message
contains 10 or 500 lines of text. The same thing happens every time -
i.e all the text (except from the last 4-5 lines), and the scrollbar
disappear. Always.

> I can reproduce the lack of scroll bar problem at will. Create a
> new message (or a reply, it doesn't matter). Type a couple of
> lines, enough so it all fits in one screen with no scrolling. Now
> use your keyboard keys (or scroll wheel mouse) to move down a few
> lines until your text is off screen. Notice how the scroll bars do
> not appear. This also happens with the horizontal scroll bar.

You are dead right. I haven't noticed this before.

> In your Note Tab Pro program, do you have a free caret interface
> active? I think this may be the source of the trouble.

With regard to the free caret interface, I wish I could say yes
because this is one of the things I love the most about TB! -but no,
NTP doesn't support it. What I can say for certain is, that in NTP,
this _only_ occur when pasting text from the clipboard, and also,
_only_ when pasting more text than fits into one screen.

BTW. In which version of TB! did this start to occur? I have used it
since 1.39 but I can't remember seeing this prior to my last upgrade
to 1.45.but yes, I am an old and absent-minded kind of person, so
I might very well be wrong :)

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Re: Memo Field - Ideas for better implementation.

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 3:14 PM or thereabouts, Nick Danger
wrote the following about Memo Field - Ideas for better
implementation.:

ND> * Keep the floating window idea, but have it automatically appear
ND> (on top) when a message with a memo is highlighted.

YES!

ND> * Treat it something like an attachment that would open a separate
ND> (scrollable) pane at the bottom of the message. Adjustable height.

I can hear the screams on this one already. :-)  Who said you can't
still make a killing in real estate?

ND> Any thoughts?

Lots ... some of them even relevant, perhaps.  

Along with beefing up the ticker, the memo field really needs some
work, I agree.  I've played around with it and finally stopped using
it because the @$# window either wouldn't stay where I wanted it to or
because it was too difficult to "flag" a message that had a memo using
the current memo column implementation without eating up a lot of
screen space.

I actually like your first idea of the auto-appearing memo window ...
I wish that little address book window would do the same, rather than
always on/always off ... perhaps with a checkbox for the address book
entries to "display window when message from XXX is in focus," so that
it wouldn't be around all the time.  There are only certain folks for
whom I'd like their picture to pop up.  

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Memo Field - Ideas for better implementation.

[Nick Danger]

  I've begun using the memo field lately, or perhaps begun _trying_ to
use the memo field would be a better way to phrase it.  Now this could
be just me, but the memo implementation is rather lackluster at best.

   Here are a few ideas I have that might add to the usability of
this feature.  I submit these as a starting block to maybe get some
discussion on ways to improve the memo function.  Unless of course,
you feel it's fine as designed and I'm all wet for suggesting any
change.

*  Keep the floating window idea, but have it automatically appear (on
top) when a message with a memo is highlighted.

* Treat it something like an attachment that would open a separate
(scrollable) pane at the bottom of the message. Adjustable height.

* Make the existing floating window dockable to the top or bottom of
the main window view, or perhaps a folder view window.

  Of course, the above would only happen if Memo Auto View was checked
so that those not wishing the interruption could turn that option off.

Any thoughts?

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Re: VOTE against the newsreader integrated in the next version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Friday, June 30, 2000 at 7:52 PM or thereabouts, starc wrote the
following about VOTE against the newsreader integrated in the next
version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?:

s> So why am I writing this? I propose we make an opinion poll and if
s> the majority is against the integrated newsreader we should email
s> ritlabs and ask them not to make that newsreader. After all I think
s> this DL is also for trying to make the next versions of the bat
s> according to our wishes. I wonder why this step hasn't been taken
s> before, or maybe it has? Don't know

If the developers wish to take a poll, I suppose they will do so, but
I'm not sure it's necessary.  The subject of newsreader integration
has been discussed at great length already ... check the archives ...
as usual, there are those for, those against, and those who would like
to see it as an optional plug-in, which shouldn't hurt those who are
dead-set against.

As with any new feature/function being discussed, you'll find people
in both camps, and those in between.  Personally, if the plug-in
functionality is integrated into v.2 of TB!, if and when that ever
appears, people should be able to have exactly what they want and we
can forego the constant debating on the merits/drawbacks of each idea.

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Re: VOTE against the newsreader integrated in the next version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?

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Hi starc,

On  01  July 2000 at 21:52:10 GMT -0300 (which was 01:52 where I live)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote  and  made  these  points on the subject of "VOTE
against  the  newsreader  integrated  in  the next version of the bat?
E-mail ritlabs?":

s> ... and finish having another type of IE

s> So why am I writing this? I propose we make an opinion poll and if
s> the majority is against the integrated newsreader we should email
s> ritlabs and ask them not to make that newsreader. After all I think
s> this DL is also for trying to make the next versions of the bat
s> according to our wishes. I wonder why this step hasn't been taken
s> before, or maybe it has? Don't know

This  DL  is a kind of interactive opinion poll ISFA the RITlabs staff
are  members.  They  sometimes interject and often show that they have
been  reading.  Our  discussions  tend  to  be  pretty  vociferous and
ofttimes heated.

We  *did* have a very lengthy discussion on this topic at the time the
interview  was  first  published  which  came  to pretty much the same
conclusion that you did. Those that said they were in favour of having
news  reading  capabilities  were  happy  to  see  it implemented as a
plug-in  and  those  that  didn't  want it were willing to accept its'
existence  as a plug-in. RITlabs are already aware of these issues and
this conclusion.

Your  points  are  perfectly  valid  and  your  intentions are clearly
"in-the-right-vein".  Don't let this response land as a "put-down" and
please keep the thoughts coming :-).

BTW:  another way of getting your input into the ongoing TB project is
to take part in the BETA discussion list.

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VOTE against the newsreader integrated in the next version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?

[starc]

Hello TBUDL,

well, it seems according with the interview at ritlabs, that the next
version of the bat is gonna have an integrated newsreader. Now, a lot
of users of this DL seem to be contrary to this idea. I personally am
not certain if it's a good or bad idea. On the one hand I must admit
that newsreading and emailing are kind of related but on the other
hand there is the argument that a program specialized for a specific
task would be better, so it's a better idea to keep the bat as
specialized as possible, before we start creating an email client,
newsreader, browser, etc... all in one and finish having another type
of IE, which can perform a lot of tasks but none of them as good as a
specialized program (like the bat for email) can.

So why am I writing this? I propose we make an opinion poll and if the
majority is against the integrated newsreader we should email ritlabs
and ask them not to make that newsreader. After all I think this DL is
also for trying to make the next versions of the bat according to our
wishes. I wonder why this step hasn't been taken before, or maybe it
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Re[2]: Clocks, oh look at those clocks (was: Re: Replies arrive before originals)

[Marc]

Hello Januk,

Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 1:38:31 am, you wrote:

>>   It might just be that he needs a new battery.

JA>  If it were that, wouldn't shutting off my computer reset the clock
JA>  every time?  (This doesn't happen.)  I don't see any pattern, so I
JA>  think it might be some obscure app or Windows feature that is
JA>  occasionally messing up my clock.

No. It would not. Replace the battery and see if that does it. If it
does not go to the usenet news forums and post a Q at:

 microsoft.public.win98.power_mgmt
 microsoft.public.win98.shell


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PC Upgrade & TheBat!

[Angel]

Hello fellow Bataholics!   

Upon receiving then perusing November 2000's issue of PC Upgrade,
I ran across something I though would make Batties smile.

UNfortunately, their website does not offer online-viewing of their
"Upgrade Central" feature (go to http://www.bedfordmags.com/pcu/ to see
what I am talking about) so I scanned the page and tossed it up on my
website for y'all to see rather than send a file to the list.

http://www.dreamspinning.com/tb.htm

Enjoy! :)

Regards,
~~~Angel ... your RDR "I am out of my mind..but please feel free to leave a message at 
the hollow-tone.."
Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:39:51 AM


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Parking messages in History dropdown menu

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

 Is $Subject really working? I just noticed that a previously parked
 address entry (a long CC: list) disappeared from the History dropdown
 menu, can it be that parked entries travel down the list and step
 into the void just like the normal ones?!

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Re[2]: Auto-responder

[Cameleon]

Hi,

> It's  under  the  Actions  Tab  in  the filter rules: click on "Send
> Autoreply".  Then  this little "new message" button will be enabled,
> and when you click on it, a message template opens.

Hmm I do apologize, I didn't scroll down the Filters window :-(!!!

Thanks !!


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Re[2]: Address Book Problems & Mail Ticker

[Arno van Stralen]

Hi Jamie,

Monday, August 14, 2000, 9:48:46 PM, you wrote:

AvS>> After a nice, clean format and some efforts to get Windows 2000
AvS>> installed on my system - which seems as impossible as jumping off
AvS>> Mount Everest and only having a broken toe - , I re-installed TB!
AvS>> Everything works perfectly fine, luckily, except for the address book.
AvS>> F8 gets me into it, but adding someone's data will not succeed. My
AvS>> system hangs for a few seconds, and when running normally again the
AvS>> new entry does not appear in the AB. Even creating a new group won't
AvS>> work out; it causes some memory error. Is this a known problem or some
AvS>> failure in my RAM?

Jamie> Ah  ha.  I know this problem well it vexed me merrily for a few weeks.
Jamie> The  problem is that sometimes the address book file sometimes decides
Jamie> to  become  read  only.  Change  the  attributes  and the problem will
Jamie> hopefully vanish.

Ha, thanks a lot Jamie! :-)

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Re: OT Tardis is A-OK

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Arno,

On 15 August 2000 at 13:40:24 GMT +0200 (which was 12:40 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Tardis is A-OK(was(Re: Re: Clocks, oh look at those clocks (was: Re: Replies 
arrive before originals))":

>>> With   this   discusson   about   time   keeping   I   use  Tardis
>>>  to keep my clocks up to date.

Patrick>> Truly a useful application. Have been using various versions
Patrick>> for several years.

AvS> I will give it a try then. I tried Dimension 4 as mentioned by
AvS> another list member, but for some particular reason it won't
AvS> work. Probably this is caused by my ISP which is blocking almost
AvS> every communication other than regular site-visiting. Thanks for
AvS> the tip!

I  have used all of the time synch software mentioned here (especially
Tardis   and   D4)  and  selected  AboutTime  http://www.arachnoid.com
(mentioned  by  Thomas  very  early  in the thread) as the best of the
bunch.  It works well with proxies and provides TCP, UDP and SNTP time
services  for  a  LAN  too.  All  this  in  the smallest footprint and
simplest configuration of the lot.

Having  said  that,  let's move this OT to TBOT if there is more to be
said  on  the topic ... which seems pretty exhausted to me... or maybe
it's just run out of time .

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Re: AB and templates

[Drunin]

Hi Oleg Zalyalov,

D>> Is it possible to export specific contacts together with bound templates?
OZ> What  for?

I want to share some templates with my colleagues.

OZ> If to use at another location with TB! you can copy them to
OZ> separate address book and to copy .ABD file there.

Yes, of course, I can do it for myself, but I cannot be sure about other
people. I want to simplify the process as much as possible.

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Re: AB and templates

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Tuesday, August 15, 2000, Drunin wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
AB and templates:

D> Is it possible to export specific contacts together with bound templates?

What  for? If to use at another location with TB! you can copy them to
separate address book and to copy .ABD file there.

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Re: Auto-responder

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Cameleon,

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 03:24:26 -0700GMT (15/08/2000, 18:24 +0800GMT),
Cameleon wrote:

C> How  (I  guess that's possible)

Of course!   ;-)

C> can I make TheBat automatically send a message (using a template
C> but not an external file), when I receive a mail on a particular
C> account, with a particular subject, or sender, etc ? I didn't find
C> anything like that in the Filters.

It's under the Actions Tab in the filter rules: click on "Send
Autoreply". Then this little "new message" button will be enabled, and
when you click on it, a message template opens.

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Re: Tardis is A-OK(was(Re: Re: Clocks, oh look at those clocks (was: Re: Replies arrive before originals))

[Arno van Stralen]

Hi Patrick,

Monday, August 14, 2000, 11:50:35 PM, you wrote:

>> With this discusson about time keeping I use Tardis
>>  to keep my clocks up to date.
>>
Patrick>  Truly a useful application.  Have been using various versions for several 
years.

I will give it a try then. I tried Dimension 4 as mentioned by another
list member, but for some particular reason it won't work. Probably
this is caused by my ISP which is blocking almost every communication
other than regular site-visiting. Thanks for the tip!

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Re: Auto-responder

[Roel]

Hi Cameleon

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 03:24:26 -0700GMT
   (which was 15/08/2000, 12:24 +0100GMT for me),

you wrote:

C> How  (I  guess that's possible) can I make TheBat automatically send a
C> message  (using a template but not an external file), when I receive a
C> mail  on  a  particular account, with a particular subject, or sender,
C> etc ? I didn't find anything like that in the Filters.

 filters => incoming mail => actions => 'send auto-reply'
 check the box & use the button behind it to edit the
 auto-reply

 hth

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Re: Auto-responder

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Cameleon,

C> How  (I  guess that's possible) can I make TheBat automatically send a
C> message  (using a template but not an external file), when I receive a
C> mail  on  a  particular account, with a particular subject, or sender,
C> etc ? I didn't find anything like that in the Filters.

Go to the actions tab and scoll down to 'Send Auto-Reply'.

Hey, that one was easy - next question please :-)

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Re[2]: Mail Ticker

[Arno van Stralen]

Hi Thomas,

Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 5:41:35 AM, you wrote:

AvS>> It's impossible for me to position the ticker in such a way, that
AvS>> it will never cover up some important / handy / informative
AvS>> function of a program.

Thomas> Hmm. This may be an issue of screen organising.

That may well be so :-) When working in Windows, contrary to MacOS,
I tend to open all of my windows fully, which causes problems when
something is floating around ;-).

AvS>> Bearing in mind that a screen resolution of 1024*768 or higher is
AvS>> getting standardized, such a toolbar won't do serious harm to your
AvS>> working space.

Thomas> Here it would. I have the following taks bar on the edges:

Thomas> Bottom = Windows task bar. Top = Firewall. Right = Office task bar.

Thomas> Should I put the "ticker task bar" on the left? I'd make me feel kind
Thomas> of "framed". Also, I might have to tilt my head by 90 degress to read
Thomas> the ticker ;-)

;-) Ah well, it would be an option of course.

It just seems to me, that if the Mail Ticker *has* the option to be put
at the upmost top or bottom of your screen, one could better make it
work more easily and efficiently than it does now.

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Auto-responder

[Cameleon]

Hi All,

How  (I  guess that's possible) can I make TheBat automatically send a
message  (using a template but not an external file), when I receive a
mail  on  a  particular account, with a particular subject, or sender,
etc ? I didn't find anything like that in the Filters.

Thanks !

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AB and templates

[Drunin]

Hi All,

Is it possible to export specific contacts together with bound templates?

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Re[2]: Communication between mail clients and external editors

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Friday, August 11, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
Communication between mail clients and external editors:

SL> Oh,  it  is more than justifiable. I downloaded it and boy did the
SL> problems   come  flooding  in.  First  off,  default  colors  were
SL> completely  unacceptable.  When I changed them none of the context
SL> highlighting  matched  their basic lines to the defaults. BAD. Not
SL> to  mention the default context highlighting colors were horrid in
SL> the  first  place.  Half  the  things were unreadable. Dare I even
SL> mention that it had all of, what, 5 highlight types?
It's  the  matter  of taste. I have changed just 2 colors and can read
everything easily.

SL> Failed to reflow a quoted paragraph.
It's not an editor to be built in MUA.

SL> MDI application.  That is about 82 strikes against it right there.
Yes and it supports projects.

SL> Very few, if any, of the commands were accessible from the keyboard.  When
Customizable. You can assign any command to a keystroke.

SL> Complete lack of Regex.  Text editing without regex is unacceptable,
SL> completely.
Did  I  misunderstood?  Regex  is  something  different  from  regular
expressions? If not than you are wrong, UE has own regular expressions
format and supports standard with a switch.

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