Re:Importing a X.509 certificate...?

[ArekG]

Hello Beat,

On Saturday, December 09, 2000, 1:31:14 PM, you wrote in subject of "Importing a X.509 
certificate...?":

BS> I just got an email that was encryptet with S/Mime. I could decrypt it
BS> easily,  but  I'm not able to import the sender's key! If it was a PGP
BS> key,  it  would  be  no  problem, but with the X.509 certificates from
BS> Thawte, I didn't succeeded.
   As I remember, TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition can't import certificates
   from sender's address. It was fixed in some later beta (I don't
   remember, from which beta version), but in current version (beta/11)
   it works almost well.
   So all you need, is to upgrade to the newest beta (11) and this should
   resolve your problems (Specials|Add sender to Address Book ).

   HTH...
   
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OT: Re: news lists & Opera

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Allie & other fellow TB! Users following this OT thread,

Sunday, December 10, 2000,  you stated regarding Opera:

z>> Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and

z>> see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

ACM> As a registered Opera user:

ACM> I see no references to Cydoor in my registry settings ...

ACM> I also ran 'Ad aware' on my system and it found no Opera related
ACM> spyware. http://www.lavasoft.de/aaw/index.html

ACM> I again have come up with a clean system. I had previously run Optout
ACM> which came up with a clean system.

ACM> It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4 user, the
ACM> adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top of my registered
ACM> version 4.

I wonder if the same would be true for my registered version 3.6x?

Douglas

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Re: Multiple e mails

[Edward Taylor]

Folks...I think I just set off a firefight. Reality is that  The Bat
advertises as a business tool to handle large lists of e mails.

Yes, you can do discussion lists with it...but the reality is business is
functioning on the Internet by staying in contact with its customers by
mailing lists and newsletters. The Bat claims to be a tool to make that
easier

All very misleading... when the discussion list that supports the software
opposes the basic premise on what the software is supposed to be doing.

Anyway, glad I stimulated some discussion and found some answers

But...any of you folks been out on the Internet of today and seen what is
happening  out there?
E-commerce is here to stay and email is its biggest tool.is the Bat here
to be a part of that or just some techno play toy

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Re: Mutiply e mails

[Edward Taylor]

Thomas,

Maybe you need to re-examine what spam is. It is not e mail to opt-in,
targeted customers who have requested e mail about subjects they are
interested in.

This is not 1995 when the Internet was an entirely different world...


- Original Message -
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To: "Edward Taylor on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: Mutiply e mails


> Hi Edward,
>
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:08:11 -0700GMT (11/12/2000, 13:08 +0800GMT),
> Edward Taylor wrote:
>
> ET> Your personal feelings about spam appear to be shining through here
Marck.
> ET> Targeted email to a customer list, no matter how large it is, not
spam.
>
> That's correct, as long as they are indeed active customers, or at
> least consent to receiving your "targeted email".
>
> I receive a lot of spam starting with the pretense "this is not spam".
> :-(
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas.
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bedtime

[Fusiontunes]

TF> I.E.: spam.

TF> Is that why you don't your real name on this mailing list?
Dont you think your sorta wearing this out a little...??
Im sorry if I hurt your little feelers..
Next time dont be so quick to show everyone what you dont know...
Lets all feel sorry for thomas so he can quit taking up bandwith with
this garbage and he can go to bed..



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Re: Mutiply e mails

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Edward,

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:08:11 -0700GMT (11/12/2000, 13:08 +0800GMT),
Edward Taylor wrote:

ET> Your personal feelings about spam appear to be shining through here Marck.
ET> Targeted email to a customer list, no matter how large it is, not spam.

That's correct, as long as they are indeed active customers, or at
least consent to receiving your "targeted email".

I receive a lot of spam starting with the pretense "this is not spam".
:-(

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Re: Mutiply e mails

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Fusiontunes,

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:50:14 -0500GMT (11/12/2000, 11:50 +0800GMT),
Fusiontunes wrote:


F> .. it is possible to send as many e-mails as you want at once - but
F> the recipient will see only himself on the recipient list. Mihov
F> Mail Sender is great both for personal invitations and business
F> proposals.

I.E.: spam.

Is that why you don't your real name on this mailing list?

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Re: Mutiply e mails

[Edward Taylor]

This issue here is overloading a mail server with the same addresses being
posted over and over again in each e mail when you are mailing to a customer
list.

Your personal feelings about spam appear to be shining through here Marck.
Targeted email to a customer list, no matter how large it is, not spam.


- Original Message -
From: "Marck D. Pearlstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Fusiontunes on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Mutiply e mails


> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> Hi Fusiontunes,
>
> On 11 December 2000 at 23:02:31 -0500 (which was 04:02 where I
> live) Fusiontunes wrote and made these points:
>
> MDP>> In answer to your question, there is no MUA on the planet that can.
>
> F> Here is a list of mailers that is made just to send the same e-mail to
> F> several people without them knowing that they are not the only one who
got it.
> F> Not only is there one, there is several. Here are a few.
>
> ...  and  not one of them can send an email without an address to send
> it to. Period. That was the original question (or at least the wording
> of it, if not the intent) and my answer stands.
>
> I'm  not  talking  about address visibility. I'm saying that without a
> routing address, a mail cannot be sent, whether the address is seen or
> not.  The  original  question  asked  how  to send of people to a list
> without providing a list of addresses.
>
> BCC  will  hide  addresses  from within *any* originating mail client,
> you don't need a spam-fest glory machine for that .
>
> - --
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>  .\\arck
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Not really complicated..

[Fusiontunes]

Hi Edward,
Dont be confused.. I know what your looking for. Just follow those
links I sent you and you will find what you need. I have used all of those
and the "Mihov" is the best. Small, simple, free.

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Re: Mutiply e mails

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Edward,

On 11 December 2000 at 20:47:45 -0700 (which was 03:47 where I
live) Edward Taylor wrote and made these points:

ET> .. didn't know my mailer was using HTMLI apologize to the
ET> group for any inconvenience...

Apology accepted :-).

ET> I am a neophyte at all of this...what is a MUA

A "Mail User Agent".

ET> and secondly,



ET> and there is no email program that does it differently?

Answered in another reply in this thread :-).

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Re: Multiple e mails

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Edward,

On 11 December 2000 at 21:05:02 -0700 (which was 04:05 where I
live) Edward Taylor wrote and made these points:

ET> Settings changed to textno more HTMLsorry folks...didn't realize
ET> that was my current default setting

ET> So if you have a message to send to a list of customers that is 1500 bits,
ET> and you send it to 2000 people...every message becomes 60,000 bits because
ET> of all the addresses?

ET> And you are all telling me there is no way around this.

There  are only two methods, whatever the front end may look like. You
can  send  one  60kb  message which the outbound routing server breaks
down  and  delivers  (BCC  address  lists  are not passed to the final
recipient,  but  do  exist  during  routing)  or  you  send 2000 1.5kb
messages  to  each individual recipient in the list. RFC822 compatible
SMTP  delivery methods only provide these two alternatives, however it
may be wrapped.

The  forthcoming  feature  in v1.48 that was mentioned already will do
the  latter  of  these  two and is currently in beta test. BCC already
achieves the former.

BTW:  I really hope we're talking about lists of consenting recipients
here and not about spamming unwilling victims!

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Re: Mutiply e mails

[Edward Taylor]

I stand chastised and have changed my default settings from HTML to
textdidn't know my mailer was using HTMLI apologize to the group for
any inconvenience...

I am a neophyte at all of this...what is a MUA

and secondly, you are telling me that if I send an email to my customer list
of 2000 people, every email is going to carry the addresses of every person
in the group... bloating a 1500bit message to over 60,000 bits because of
the addresses

and there is no email program that does it differently?

Am I understanding you correctly?

Thanks for the help.
Edward Taylor


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To: "Edward Taylor on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Mutiply e mails


> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> Hi Edward,
>
> On 11 December 2000 at 19:47:26 -0700 (which was 02:47 where I
> live) Edward Taylor wrote and made these points:
>
> ET> Can you use The Bat to mail to a list of people without loading up
> ET> the To: or BCC: fields with server clogging list addresses.
>
> Please do not write to the list in HTML. It is against the list rules
> and  many  of  the  members here do not appreciate  it. Some even have
> filters to move any HTML mail directly to trash.
>
> In answer to your question, there is no MUA on the planet that can.
>
> Maybe  if  the addresses are supplied by the server, then you send the
> server  an alias for that list. That's the shortest addressing method.
> If  the addresses are to be supplied by the MUA, TB can help initially
> by  allowing  you  to specify the name of a group in the address book.
> But, when the message is sent to the server, the individual names from
> the  address  book  replace  the  name of the group in the To: or BCC:
> field  - as they should. How is the server suppose to know who to send
> to  otherwise?  Ultimately,  the server needs to have a complete (and,
> perhaps,  "clogging")  list of recipient email addresses to be able to
> route a message to the intended recipients.
>
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Re: Mutiply e mails

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Fusiontunes,

On 11 December 2000 at 23:02:31 -0500 (which was 04:02 where I
live) Fusiontunes wrote and made these points:

MDP>> In answer to your question, there is no MUA on the planet that can.

F> Here is a list of mailers that is made just to send the same e-mail to
F> several people without them knowing that they are not the only one who got it.
F> Not only is there one, there is several. Here are a few.

...  and  not one of them can send an email without an address to send
it to. Period. That was the original question (or at least the wording
of it, if not the intent) and my answer stands.

I'm  not  talking  about address visibility. I'm saying that without a
routing address, a mail cannot be sent, whether the address is seen or
not.  The  original  question  asked  how  to send of people to a list
without providing a list of addresses.

BCC  will  hide  addresses  from within *any* originating mail client,
you don't need a spam-fest glory machine for that .

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Re: news lists

[A . Curtis Martin]

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When I saw ztrader's message about "news lists ",
I felt like making these comments:

JR>>Thanks for educating me. I'm currently fooling around with
JR>>Opera v5 as well which seems to have a news reader.

z> Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and

z> see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

As a registered Opera user:

I see no references to Cydoor in my registry settings as stated on the
Website. Is Opera supposed to install Cydoor on the system?

I also ran 'Ad aware' on my system and it found no Opera related
spyware. http://www.lavasoft.de/aaw/index.html

I again have come up with a clean system. I had previously run Optout
which came up with a clean system.

It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4 user, the
adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top of my registered
version 4.


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Re: Not a bug, but close to it

[Karin Spaink]

On 11-12-2000 at 04:18, Januk Aggarwal kindly wrote:

> ... selective wrapping.  If you highlight a
> couple of lines in the middle of a paragraph and hit ALT-L, only those
> lines will be wrapped.  Very useful for wrapping lines in a list.

That *is* a valid reason for Alt-L's selectiveness. I kindly
retract my comment.



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Re[2]: Mutiply e mails

[Fusiontunes]

MDP> In answer to your question, there is no MUA on the planet that can.
Here is a list of mailers that is made just to send the same e-mail to
several people without them knowing that they are not the only one who got it.
Not only is there one, there is several. Here are a few.

Mihov mail sender: http://kiss.uni-lj.si/~k4fe0043/sw/MailSend.html
DB mailer:  http://www.viratech.com/
Mail Reactor:  http://www.daansystems.com/mailreactor/
List Mail Deliverer (LMD): You have to look for this one at "No Nags"
http://www.filepig.com/nonags/index.html
If you need more, ask...

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Re: Multiple e mails

[Edward Taylor]

Settings changed to textno more HTMLsorry folks...didn't realize
that was my current default setting

So if you have a message to send to a list of customers that is 1500 bits,
and you send it to 2000 people...every message becomes 60,000 bits because
of all the addresses?

And you are all telling me there is no way around this.

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Re: news lists

[Karin Spaink]

On 11-12-2000 at 03:48, Jan Rifkinson kindly wrote:
> Hello Karin,

[on browsers and spyware]

Karin>> [...] keeping your personal data for you "to ease the filling
Karin>> in of forms" etc. That is the reason that I too am looking for
Karin>> a new browser.

>IEv5.5 does this pretty well I think.

IE5 is one of the worst in this respect. Plus, it has a
reputation for bugs.


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Re: Mutiply e mails

[Fusiontunes]

Hello Edward,
I think I seen someone answer this question a few days ago..
If Im not mistaken the answer was no. (but dont hold me to that)
However I do know a free mailer that is made just for that..
It is called the "Mihov Mail Sender" and you can find it at
http://kiss.uni-lj.si/~k4fe0043/sw/MailSend.html
I have used this one alot and it is great. Dont mistake it for an
email program like the "Bat" ..its only a mailer.. it is possible to send as many 
e-mails
as you want at once - but the recipient will see only himself on the
recipient list. Mihov Mail Sender is great both for personal invitations
and business proposals.




ET> Can you use The Bat to mail to a list of people without loading up the To: or BCC: 
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Re[4]: news lists

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hello ztrader,

   In a post time stamped re: "news lists" you wrote:

ztrader> Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware
ztrader> and see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

   Before I ran Opera I set permissions so I had to accept any cookie
   that came down the pike. I refused all of them. Opera is now
   removed from my system 'cause I just didn't like it as a browser --
   just wasn't worth the time/effort & certainly not the money. But
   I'm shocked that its now considered spyware & I thank you for the
   warning. I'll probably run "Opt Out" just for good measure.

   Regards,

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Re: Mutiply e mails

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Hi Januk,

On 11 December 2000 at 19:02:46 -0800 (which was 03:02 where I
live) Januk Aggarwal wrote and made these points:

>> Can you use The Bat to mail to a list of people without loading up
>> the To: or BCC: fields with server clogging list addresses.

JA> There is a facility being developed in the current beta series.
JA> Please be patient.

The  new  facility  kind  of  makes  it worse: Instead of clogging the
server  with a long list of addresses, the server instead is bombarded
with  multiple messages, one for each member. Of course, that could be
just what Edward is after.

JA> Also, as one list member to another and before you get trouted by a
JA> moderator, please don't post in HTML. Nothing in your content required
JA> HTML.  Moreover, posting in HTML is against list rules.

(oh no - too late ).

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Re: Mutiply e mails

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Edward,

   In a post time stamped  re: "Mutiply e mails" you wrote:

Edward> Can you use The Bat to mail to a list of people without
Edward> loading up the To: or BCC: fields with server clogging
Edward> list addresses.

   In the Address Book, create a list & send it to the list.

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Re: Mutiply e mails

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Hi Edward,

On 11 December 2000 at 19:47:26 -0700 (which was 02:47 where I
live) Edward Taylor wrote and made these points:

ET> Can you use The Bat to mail to a list of people without loading up
ET> the To: or BCC: fields with server clogging list addresses.

Please do not write to the list in HTML. It is against the list rules
and  many  of  the  members here do not appreciate  it. Some even have
filters to move any HTML mail directly to trash.

In answer to your question, there is no MUA on the planet that can.

Maybe  if  the addresses are supplied by the server, then you send the
server  an alias for that list. That's the shortest addressing method.
If  the addresses are to be supplied by the MUA, TB can help initially
by  allowing  you  to specify the name of a group in the address book.
But, when the message is sent to the server, the individual names from
the  address  book  replace  the  name of the group in the To: or BCC:
field  - as they should. How is the server suppose to know who to send
to  otherwise?  Ultimately,  the server needs to have a complete (and,
perhaps,  "clogging")  list of recipient email addresses to be able to
route a message to the intended recipients.

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Re: Not a bug, but close to it

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Thomas,

On  Mon, 11 Dec 2000  at  10:55:08 GMT +0800 (which was 6:55 PM
where I live) witnesses say Thomas Fernandez typed:

> you have to hit a cursor key before alt-L has any functionality (try
> putting the cursor into a paragraph with the mouse, not the keybaord
> and then hit alt-L. Nothing happens.)

Not quite, the current line is wrapped independently of the preceding
and following lines. If your line is properly wrapped to begin with,
you won't notice the difference.  This probably has to do with the
mechanism that's available for selective wrapping.  If you highlight a
couple of lines in the middle of a paragraph and hit ALT-L, only those
lines will be wrapped.  Very useful for wrapping lines in a list.

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Re: Mutiply e mails

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Edward,

On  Sun, 10 Dec 2000  at  19:47:26 GMT -0700 (which was 6:47 PM
where I live) witnesses say Edward Taylor typed:

> Can you use The Bat to mail to a list of people without loading up
> the To: or BCC: fields with server clogging list addresses.

There is a facility being developed in the current beta series.
Please be patient.

Also, as one list member to another and before you get trouted by a
moderator, please don't post in HTML. Nothing in your content required
HTML.  Moreover, posting in HTML is against list rules.
 

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Re: Wrong number of messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Tobias,

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:05:14 +0100GMT (11/12/2000, 07:05 +0800GMT),
Tobias Wrede wrote:

>> I've noticed that a couple of times with my Inbox. All incoming mails
>> have been filtered and moved to other folders. No new message remained
>> in Inbox. Nevertheless in the folder-tree it showed 1 unread message.

I used to have this problem, but not any more. Maybe they fixed it in
version 1.47? Try updating. ;-)

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Re: Not a bug, but close to it

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Karin,

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:32:55 +0100GMT (11/12/2000, 10:32 +0800GMT),
Karin Spaink wrote:

KS> Alt-L (reformatting a paragraph) often doesn't work properly
KS> while your cursor is in the line where you have just added

It's a known bug, and I consider it minor; along with the fact that
you have to hit a cursor key before alt-L has any functionality (try
putting the cursor into a paragraph with the mouse, not the keybaord
and then hit alt-L. Nothing happens.)

I can live with it. 

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Mutiply e mails

[Edward Taylor]

Can you use The Bat to mail to a list of people without 
loading up the To: or BCC: fields with server clogging list 
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Re[2]: news lists

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Karin,

   In a post time stamped re: "news lists" you wrote:

Karin> [...] keeping your personal data for you "to ease the filling
Karin> in of forms" etc. That is the reason that I too am looking for
Karin> a new browser.

   IEv5.5 does this pretty well I think.

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Not a bug, but close to it

[Karin Spaink]

Alt-L (reformatting a paragraph) often doesn't work properly
while your cursor is in the line where you have just added
or deleted a few words. Alt-L in that case will be apllied
to all lines *above* your current cursor position, but not
below. In order to do so, you must move down your cursor to
the next 'untouched'line and press Alt-L.

I consider that to be, well, not a bug, but an imperfect
implementation of an excellent feature. Any other opinions?


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Re: news lists

[Karin Spaink]

On 10-12-2000 at 23:36, ztrader kindly wrote:
> On Sunday, December 10, 2000, 1:06:09 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR>>Thanks for educating me. I'm currently fooling around with
JR>>Opera v5 as well which seems to have a news reader.

> Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and
> see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

I have no hassle believing that, but Netscpae 6 is hardly
doing a better job - keeping your personal data for you "to
ease the filling in of forms" etc. That is the reason that I
too am looking for a new browser.


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Re[3]: news lists

[ztrader]

On Sunday, December 10, 2000, 1:06:09 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR>Thanks for educating me. I'm currently fooling around with
JR>Opera v5 as well which seems to have a news reader.

Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and

see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

ztrader

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allow sound time interval

[Tobias Wrede]

Hello TBUDL,

This is another time interval topic apart from the "just curious:..."
thread, although it might apply there, too.

I have set "allow sound only within time interval" to 10:00-01:00. Now
I just received a mail at 01:15 and, guess what, the sound was played
anyway.

I played around a little with the time setting. It appears that the
silence time is ignored when the specified time intervall extends over
midnight. I send myself several messages (all between 01:15 and 01:40)
and with the interval set to 10:00-01:00 and 02:00-01:00 the sound
played anyway. With the interval set to 10:00-24:00 and 02:00-03:00
TB! stayed silent as supposed.

Maybe you "just curious:..." guys :-) could check if the same thing is
true for the filter setup.

so long
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Re: Simple Mapi (was: Re: (No Subject))

[Karin Spaink]

On 11-12-2000 at 01:23, Januk Aggarwal kindly wrote:
> where I live) witnesses say George F. Schoelles typed:

>> Guess I'll hunt around for an smapiplug-in.

> Well, RITLabs was developing a Simple MAPI DLL a few releases back, but
> I'm not sure if it is officially out of the BETA stages.

It's not, and I fought with it in a previous version. The
current one worked like a charm (for me).

> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html



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Re: Simple Mapi (was: Re: (No Subject))

[George F. Schoelles]

Hello Januk,

Sunday, December 10, 2000, 4:23:03 PM, you wrote:

JA> Hello George,

JA> On  Sun, 10 Dec 2000  at  16:13:36 GMT -0800 (which was 4:13 PM
JA> where I live) witnesses say George F. Schoelles typed:

>> Yes and no, I'm used to smapi being included.  Guess I'll hunt around
>> for an smapiplug-in.

JA> Well, RITLabs was developing a Simple MAPI DLL a few releases back, but
JA> I'm not sure if it is officially out of the BETA stages.  That's why
JA> I'm reluctant to give you too much info at this point on this list.
JA> There is also a BETA list for BETA feature discussions.

JA> To subscribe send a message to:

JA> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

JA> The DLL is available on the BETA page at

JA> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html



Well, I've cured my problem by using the Exchange server for my
smapi needs.  However, I am surprised that such a pricey email client
is with-out its own.

Thank you for your help.

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Re: smapi

[Karin Spaink]

On 11-12-2000 at 01:19, George F. Schoelles kindly wrote:

> Well I have searched the Web home for The Bat and found no
> reference to an smapi plug-in for The Bat. Any directional
> pointers would be helpful.

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html has the (beta
version) for MAPI. Download it, put the mapi.dll in your
TB directory.

Close TB and reopen it when the new dll is in your TB
directory. Try your MAP thingie, and if it fails, close all
and give the command /installMAPI on the command line
*once*, e.g.  c:\internet\thebat\thebat \InstallMAPI
Then retry.



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Simple Mapi (was: Re: (No Subject))

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello George,

On  Sun, 10 Dec 2000  at  16:13:36 GMT -0800 (which was 4:13 PM
where I live) witnesses say George F. Schoelles typed:

> Yes and no, I'm used to smapi being included.  Guess I'll hunt around
> for an smapiplug-in.

Well, RITLabs was developing a Simple MAPI DLL a few releases back, but
I'm not sure if it is officially out of the BETA stages.  That's why
I'm reluctant to give you too much info at this point on this list.
There is also a BETA list for BETA feature discussions.

To subscribe send a message to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The DLL is available on the BETA page at

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html


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smapi

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Hello The Bat,

Well I have searched the Web home for The Bat and found no
reference to an smapi plug-in for The Bat.  Any directional
pointers would be helpful.

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Re[2]: (No Subject)

[George F. Schoelles]

Hello Januk,

Sunday, December 10, 2000, 1:08:31 PM, you wrote:

JA> Hello George,

JA> On  Sun, 10 Dec 2000  at  12:33:55 GMT -0800 (which was 12:33 PM
JA> where I live) witnesses say George F. Schoelles typed:

>> I'm trying to run BattleMail Kung-Fu and am receiving an smapi logon
>> error (won't accept password). Which I never had a problemwith under
>> Eudora.

>> Any ideas?

JA> Does this program use "Simple MAPI"?  If so, have you installed MAPI
JA> support for TB?
 


Yes and no, I'm used to smapi being included.  Guess I'll hunt around
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Re: Wrong number of messages

[Tobias Wrede]

Hello list,

On Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2000 at 23:33:41 I wrote:

> I've noticed that a couple of times with my Inbox. All incoming mails
> have been filtered and moved to other folders. No new message remained
> in Inbox. Nevertheless in the folder-tree it showed 1 unread message.

I forgot to mention that this only happens after TB! is started (and
collects mails automatically). It does not happen again while TB! is
running.

so long

Tobias

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up and down with their hand clasped under their other armpit and shout, 'OH,
random-fluctuations-in-the-space-time-continuum!' or 'Aaargh, primitive-and-
out-moded-concept on a crutch!'(from Terry Pratchett, "Men At Arms")

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Re: Wrong number of messages

[Tobias Wrede]

Hello syv + list,

On Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2000 at 00:07:18 syv wrote:

> I often get the wrong number of unread messages in the
> folder section.

> I would say that it wrong 1/3 of the time, but always by -1

I've noticed that a couple of times with my Inbox. All incoming mails
have been filtered and moved to other folders. No new message remained
in Inbox. Nevertheless in the folder-tree it showed 1 unread message.
When I click on the Inbox (and the folder appears in the message
list) the counter gets corrected. This "bug" remains for a couple of
days and then disappears for some weaks before it reaccurs. I cannot
find a pattern in the behaviour.

so long
Tobias

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Re[2]: news lists

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello David,

   In a post time stamped re: "news lists" you wrote:

David> No TB can't be used as a news reader.  The one that comes with
David> Netscape works very very well OR there is always Agent.

   Thanks for educating me. I'm currently fooling around with Opera v5
   as well which seems to have a news reader.

   Also thanks to Beat Strasser, John Phillips & pasifest for
   responding to my question.

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Re: (No Subject)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello George,

On  Sun, 10 Dec 2000  at  12:33:55 GMT -0800 (which was 12:33 PM
where I live) witnesses say George F. Schoelles typed:

> I'm trying to run BattleMail Kung-Fu and am receiving an smapi logon
> error (won't accept password). Which I never had a problemwith under
> Eudora.

> Any ideas?

Does this program use "Simple MAPI"?  If so, have you installed MAPI
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Re[2]: (No Subject)

[George F. Schoelles]

Hello Manfred,

Sunday, December 10, 2000, 12:44:16 PM, you wrote:

ME> On 10-12-2000 at 12:33:55GMT -0800 (which was 20:33 where I live)
ME> George F. Schoelles wrote regarding the subject of "(No Subject)"

George>> I'm trying to run BattleMail Kung-Fu and am receiving an


ME> Hello George F.,

ME> And what would this one be??

ME> Regards


Check out http://www.battlemail.com

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Re: (No Subject)

[Manfred Ell]

On 10-12-2000 at 12:33:55GMT -0800 (which was 20:33 where I live)
George F. Schoelles wrote regarding the subject of "(No Subject)"

George> I'm trying to run BattleMail Kung-Fu and am receiving an


Hello George F.,

And what would this one be??

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Re[2]: just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Allie,

   On Sunday, December 10, 2000 @ 14:41:51 -0500 you wrote the
   following in regards to just curious: can messages be automatically
   marked as read?:

Allie> [...] You're giving me the impression
Allie> that your understanding of what I wrote is that the time range denotes a
Allie> simple time interval and not a period of time during the 24 hour day
Allie> period.

Allie> That's not what I was saying. I'm saying that it denotes a period of
Allie> time during a 24hour day period. [...]

   I got it the very 1st time; sorry I wasn't clear in saying that.
   But I'm not sure what I supposed to do with the pin.

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Re[2]: "answer this one" filter

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Doug,

   In a post time stamped re: "answer this one" filter" you wrote:

JR>> [...] I mark some to be answered by hot key. These are moved into
JR>> another folder named "Answer These".

Doug> I'm still too new to The Bat!  How exactly does this work? What's a
Doug> hot key, why is Strings set to e?

   I'm probably still too new to TB! myself to give you the best
   explanation. But when setting a filter, look under the options tab
   to see where you can set a hot key to fulfill a task that you set.
   In my case I was trying to use a hotkey to color code a particular
   msg & move it to a special folder which saved me a couple of steps.

Doug> Oh, not sure why both a move to a new folder and a change in colour?

   This probably belongs in the "Dept of Redundancy Dept". One could
   logically conclude (as you have) that if one changes the color
   there might not be a reason to move it to a separate folder because
   it has already identified by the color id. I guess I do it because
   some msgs get buried depending on how you have your view options
   set & it's easier for me to see what I need to do when the msgs are
   gathered in their own folder. I'm sure others will have
   other/better systems.

   Anyway, I hope my explanation helped answer your question(s).

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(No Subject)

[George F. Schoelles]

I'm trying to run BattleMail Kung-Fu and am receiving an
smapi logon
error (won't accept password). Which I never had a
problemwith under
Eudora.

Any ideas?
  

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Re: "answer this one" filter

[Doug Weller]

Hi Jan,

Saturday, December 09, 2000, 1:55:08 PM, you wrote:


JR>As I read thru the eMail in my InBox I mark some to be answered by
JR>hot key. These are moved into another folder named "Answer These".

I'm still too new to The Bat!  How exactly does this work? What's a
hot key, why is Strings set to e?
Thanks.

Oh, not sure why both a move to a new folder and a change in colour?

JR>Here is the filter I set up:

JR>Name: Mark "Answer This One"

JR>Rule:
JR>Source = InBox
JR>Move msg to folder = InBox\Answer These
JR>Strings = "e"

JR>Alternatives (none)

JR>Actions:
JR>Flag the msg
JR>Set the msg color group to "answer this one"

JR>Options:
JR>regular expressions
JR>execute action by hot key

JR>Advanced:
JR>msg is associated with color group "answer this one"




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Re: just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?

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On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:35:56 -0500, Jan Rifkinson wrote these
words of wisdom:

Allie>> My problem with that interpretation, is why denote a simple time
Allie>> interval in that way? [...]

JR>Damned if I know, Allie. I just assumed you were correct because of
JR>your obvious knowledge of TB! & I was hopefully passing on a
JR>correct interpretation.

Stick a pin there. You're confusing me. You're giving me the impression
that your understanding of what I wrote is that the time range denotes a
simple time interval and not a period of time during the 24 hour day
period.

That's not what I was saying. I'm saying that it denotes a period of
time during a 24hour day period.

For example 00:00-08:30 means 12midnight to 8:30am in the morning.

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Re[2]: just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Alexander,

   In a post time stamped re: "just curious: can messages be
   automatically marked as read?" you wrote:

Alexander> if one types 11:51-13:55 the filter will start to work/be active
Alexander> beginning 11:51am until 13:55 (=01:55pm). That's how I understand it
Alexander> and that's, I think, what Curtis means as well. Or am I wrong?

   No, I think you are right & that was Allie's point as well. It was
   my interpretation that was incorrect -- maybe wishful thinking on
   my part.

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Re[2]: just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Allie,

   On Sunday, December 10, 2000 @ 10:41:16 -0500 you wrote the following in regards to
   just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?:

Allie> My problem with that interpretation, is why denote a simple time
Allie> interval in that way? [...]

   Damned if I know, Allie. I just assumed you were correct because of
   your obvious knowledge of TB! & I was hopefully passing on a
   correct interpretation.

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Re: Mailing List addressing

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

Sunday, December 10, 2000, 12:11:42 PM, you wrote:

ET> My goal is to have one name on each e mail sent to the list.

Try sending them as BCC: and set the To: to yourself.

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Re: just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?

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When I saw Alexander's message about "just curious: can messages be automatically 
marked as read? ",
I felt like making these comments:

>>Well maybe not. That's what I thought also until I read the
>>following from A. Curtis Martin:

Curtis>>> Putting that awkward help file explanation aside, the option
Curtis>>> statement is pretty self-explanatory.  The filter will
Curtis>>> be active within the time period (of a 24hr day) you specify.

AL> I don't really see a difference here? I'll try to make it more clear:
AL> if one types 11:51-13:55 the filter will start to work/be active
AL> beginning 11:51am until 13:55 (=01:55pm). That's how I understand it
AL> and that's, I think, what Curtis means as well. Or am I wrong?

That's what I meant.

If it were a simple time interval, you wouldn't need to define a
beginning and an end time as if offered in the option.

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Cookies

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello TBUDL!

I have some 100 cookies in my cookies file, which TB will use for
replying to the TB lists (four of them) - (only on my home PC).

I have the feeling TB will reuse about 10 over and over. While I like
the idea of a random cookie, I am now thinking that sequential use of
the cookie file might be better.

I don't know the algorithm, but I get the feeling that everything
really starts from the beginning when I have opened the file to add
some additional cookies.

Like: take cookie number (fixed algorithm) starting from last pointer
at file; and the pointer will be reset every time you open the cookie
file with Notepad.

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Re[2]: news lists

[David Tod Sigafoos]

Hello Ming-Li,

Sunday, December 10, 2000, 6:43:24 AM, you wrote:

ML> On Saturday, December 09, 2000, 12:57:58 PM, David wrote:

>> No TB can't be used as a news reader.  The one that comes with
>> Netscape works very very well OR there is always Agent.  Both are
>> free

ML> Netscape version? Haven't tried it for news for a long time, but
ML> don't think it's in the same league of those news specialists
ML> (Agent, Gravity, XNews, etc.). Of course, it's surely a matter of
ML> needs and tastes.

Don't remember mentioning any leagues?  IF the user has NS then it is
a good solution to try.  A place to start.  I find it very useful
(along with FREE agent) for reading threading news.  Don't know what
else it would be used for.  Possibly storing away gigabytes of
messages that will never be seen again.  And not looking it for meail
as it seems I have a fair mail product.

ML> And Agent isn't free. (Free Agent is free, but its power is quite
ML> limited compared to Agent.)

And of course you are right here (as has been pointed out before).  I
would have though that when the user goes to forte they would SEE that
there is a free on and a pay for one.  Glad you pointed this out
though.  Not sure of the limits .. but then I get the info I need ..
save of specific messages and move on.

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Re: Bat! cannot connect to server for outgoing mail

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Melissa,

I had a worse problem when I was visiting my mother and logged in
through Hamburg.de.

When sending company email with my Taiwanese edmail address as sender,
I couldn't send, because Hamburg.de wouldn't let me use their smtp
server (even though I was logged in through them). They don't allow
usage of their smtp server when the sender details are not a valid
account with them.

I couldn't use my Taiwanese smtp server, because I was *not* logged in
through them, and the error message from my Taiwanese smtp server was
"We don't relay".

Of course, I have International Roaming on my Taiwanese account, but
the roaming service provider in Germany will only send encrypted
passwords, and the Taiwanese provider will only accept clear-text...

:-(

So I ended up sending from my GMX address and use the GMX smtp server.
But of course, that From address confused all my workmates as well as
my customers

At least Earthlink will let you use their smtp server when you are
logged in through them, regardless of your From address. When I am
logged in through my Taiwanese ISP, I can use their smtp server for
any From address, or can use any smtp server which will accept my
mails.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:51:58 -0500 GMT (11/12/2000, 00:51 +0800 GMT),
Melissa Cameron Barsic wrote:

MCB> I thought some might be interested in the answer to this problem I
MCB> posted.  My ISP made adjustments to help block spam, one of which was
MCB> not to permit people to send from any mail server other than their
MCB> own.  So I had to change the smtp.mail.yahoo.com to mail.earthlink.net
MCB> and the problem is completely solved.

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Mailing List addressing

[Edward Taylor]

When I send mail to my mailing list in one of my groups, 
everyone in the group ends up on the "To:" line. Really, bloats the message 
size.
 
Each member of the list is on a separate line. Do I have to 
put comma's after every name? My goal is to have one name on each e 
mail sent to the list.
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Re: Bat! cannot connect to server for outgoing mail

[Melissa Cameron Barsic]

Hello all,

I thought some might be interested in the answer to this problem I
posted.  My ISP made adjustments to help block spam, one of which was
not to permit people to send from any mail server other than their
own.  So I had to change the smtp.mail.yahoo.com to mail.earthlink.net
and the problem is completely solved.  Too bad it took them nearly a
week to get back to me about it... *grumble*

Melissa

Monday, December 04, 2000, 10:37:42 PM, I wrote:

MCB> Hello all.  I'm in some dire straits, so I hope some
MCB> of you can help me.  

MCB> I'm using The Bat! version 1.47 Halloween update,
MCB> under Windows 98.  The problem started ... at least a
MCB> week ago.  I'm not sure of its exact duration.  The
MCB> account in question here is the one I'm using to send
MCB> this e-mail, my Yahoo! mail account.

MCB> The problem is:  I can receive messages from the
MCB> servers for each of the two accounts I have on this
MCB> version of The Bat!.  However, when I try to reply to
MCB> a message, The Bat! hangs on the "Connecting to
MCB> server" dialog box and eventually tells me it can't
MCB> connect to the server.  It then files the unsent
MCB> messages in my outbox.  

MCB> I can send messages from the web client for Yahoo!
MCB> mail, just not from The Bat! as a desktop client.

MCB> I checked with Yahoo!, to be sure I have the smpt and
MCB> pop servers correct in the preferences.  (I do.)  I
MCB> tried reinstalling the upgrade, to see if that made a
MCB> difference.  (It didn't.)  

MCB> Anyone have any ideas on what this might be and/or how
MCB> to fix it?

MCB> Thanks in advance,
MCB> Melissa


  

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Re: just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?

[Alexander Levenetz]

Hello Jan,

Alexander>> Regarding the time interval-option setting under advanced: The wording
Alexander>> is actually pretty clear :-). A setting like 00:00-00:02 will lead to
Alexander>> a working filter starting 00:00 and ending to minutes later. But I
Alexander>> guess that one is clear now anyway.

>Well maybe not. That's what I thought also until I read the
>following from A. Curtis Martin:

Curtis>> Putting that awkward help file explanation aside, the option
Curtis>> statement is pretty self-explanatory.  The filter will
Curtis>> be active within the time period (of a 24hr day) you specify.

I don't really see a difference here? I'll try to make it more clear:
if one types 11:51-13:55 the filter will start to work/be active
beginning 11:51am until 13:55 (=01:55pm). That's how I understand it
and that's, I think, what Curtis means as well. Or am I wrong?

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Re: Wrapping of quoted text

[Ming-Li]

On Saturday, December 09, 2000, 7:40:08 PM, Karin wrote:

>> The example you gave us looks pretty much ok to me.

> 'cept that when I import it in TB, it shows the wrong
> created date: the date of importing instead of the date of
> its actual creation.

That's granted. Your example didn't have the "Date" field, either.
The created line is in its own line, with no header field
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Re: just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?

[Ming-Li]

On Sunday, December 10, 2000, 1:51:47 AM, Alexander wrote:

>> But don't you think that Alexander only needs a Ctrl-Shift-M
>> shortcut to mark all the messages of the thread as read?

> Thread killer!! ;-) That's exactly what I need! :-)

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Re: Upgrading System: Almost There, One Problem with TB Remains

[Rob]

Hello all,

on Sun, 10 Dec 2000, at 03:06:50 local time (GMT +), jm14 wrote:

> If it's of any help in reasoning through this, TB was
> installed in my D drive in my old machine.  I moved it 
> to my C drive in my new machine,

is the path the same on D: as it was on C: ??

> change all references to D:\\ to C:\\

cause if it isn't, then you have to change the rest of the path too ...

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Re: just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?

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On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:33:34 -0500, Jan Rifkinson wrote these
comments:

Alexander>> Regarding the time interval-option setting under advanced:
Alexander>> The wording is actually pretty clear :-). A setting like
Alexander>> 00:00-00:02 will lead to a working filter starting 00:00 and
Alexander>> ending to minutes later. But I guess that one is clear now
Alexander>> anyway.

JR>Well maybe not. That's what I thought also until I read the
JR>following from A. Curtis Martin:

My problem with that interpretation, is why denote a simple time
interval in that way? If they really intended a simple time interval
they would simply let you denote the seconds and time as a single figure
as is done with denoting the time interval until opened messages are
automatically marked as read.

If the time interval is denoted with the syntax xx:yy-xx:yy it should
mean the time interval between two times of the 24 hour day.

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Re[2]: just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Alexander,

   In a post time stamped re: "just curious: can messages be
   automatically marked as read?" you wrote:

Alexander> Regarding the time interval-option setting under advanced: The wording
Alexander> is actually pretty clear :-). A setting like 00:00-00:02 will lead to
Alexander> a working filter starting 00:00 and ending to minutes later. But I
Alexander> guess that one is clear now anyway.

   Well maybe not. That's what I thought also until I read the
   following from A. Curtis Martin:

Curtis> Putting that awkward help file explanation aside, the option
Curtis> statement is pretty self-explanatory.  The filter will
Curtis> be active within the time period (of a 24hr day) you specify.
Curtis> This therefore cannot be used to automatically mark messages
Curtis> as read 2 hours after they've reached the inbox.

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Re: news lists

[Ming-Li]

On Saturday, December 09, 2000, 12:57:58 PM, David wrote:

> No TB can't be used as a news reader.  The one that comes with
> Netscape works very very well OR there is always Agent.  Both are
> free

Netscape version? Haven't tried it for news for a long time, but
don't think it's in the same league of those news specialists
(Agent, Gravity, XNews, etc.). Of course, it's surely a matter of
needs and tastes.

And Agent isn't free. (Free Agent is free, but its power is quite
limited compared to Agent.)

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Re: duplicating messages

[Ming-Li]

On Saturday, December 09, 2000, 9:21:25 AM, Jan wrote:

Ming-Li>> How do you move those "read but not marked" to trash?
Ming-Li>> Manually, with a read filter, or a manual filter (invoked
Ming-Li>> with a hotkey)? Are the second copy of msgs in the trash
Ming-Li>> color coded, too?

>Normally they are not moved except by auto filtering, i.e. keep
>in folder "x" days.

You mean the setting in folder properties? I don't think that would
move purged messages to the trash folder. Messages would appear in
the trash folder only when:

1. they're moved (or copied) to it manually or by a filter; or

2. they're deleted manually (by hitting the Del key).

BTW, by filter I mean those you set up in the Sorting Office. I
wouldn't call the "keep msgs in base for xx days" option auto
"filtering".

> Right now the only "move" filter to trash is afilter that
> allows me to change the color group to none & move msgto trash
> with a hot key.
   
Ok, I assume you use this one to move those msgs you've replied to
trash, right? (Why don't you do it with a auto replied msgs filter?)

I'm afraid you're not giving us your whole story, for so far I can
hardly make sense your setup, let alone figuring out what's wrong.
Let me requote your original post:

> A group of msgs is deposited in my inbox. I can mark some msgs with An
> "answer this one" color setting with a hot key combination (thanks to
> Allie's suggestion). Those that are read but not marked are moved to
> trash.

How are those "moved" to trash? (You said by the "keep for xx days"
setting, but that doesn't make sense.)

> This works fine but I've noticed that a 2nd copy of msgs that
> are marked to answer is "created" & moved to trash.

Does this happen to *all* msgs marked to answer? Are those 2nd
copies (in trash folder) have the same "answer this one" color? When
would they show up in the trash folder? (Right after you use the
hotkey to color code those msgs in the Inbox?) Are those msgs marked
to answer parked?

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Re: Upgrading System: How to Transfer TB from Old Computer to New?

[Ming-Li]

On Friday, December 08, 2000, 2:56:29 PM, Rob wrote:

> regedit /e thebatlm.reg "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\RIT"

I believe this key has been abandoned, as indicated in Maxim's
release note for 1.46 beta/6

> [-] Spell checker configuration is now stored under
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/RIT/The Bat! registry branch, not
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/RIT

The change didn't make it into the release note for the official
release of 1.46, but I believe it's just a documentation oversight
(or they probably thought it's too minor to put in there). On my
system, the key no longer exists (I deleted it myself), and TB works
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Re: Hot link problem

[Ming-Li]

On Friday, December 08, 2000, 3:08:32 PM, John wrote:

> Well, thank you - you pointed me in the right direction.  After
> reading your reply, I remembered that this problem appeared right
> after I had installed Opera 5 (commanding it, of course, not to
> make itself the default browser.

It happened to me again yesterday ago after the installation of
Mozilla 0.6 (or the nightly build, or is it Opera 5? I forgot, for
I've restored my system from backup a few hours later.)

Opera 5 is impressive, but I don't like adware, and I'm not ready to
pay for it due mainly to its poor East Asian languages support. :(

> I tried what worked for you with no luck, and finally just
> reinstalled IE, whereupon everything returned to normal.

Yesterday I used the same trick and it cured it again. Too bad it
didn't work for you.

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Re: How to highlight mails/threads I am interested in

[Alexander Levenetz]

Hi Ming-Li,

> Thanks for your confidence in TB, but sorry, no, TB can't do that.

What?! :-)

> It's a much requested feature that hopefully would appear in the
> future.

Ok, good to know. It is not that I cannot use TB without it... ;-)

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Re: just curious: can messages be automatically marked as read?

[Alexander Levenetz]

Hello everybody,


sorry for not participating for a while - I was wondering why there
was no new mail in my TB-folder till I remembered that I had checked
"mark messages as read" in my filter options... =:-o

Regarding the time interval-option setting under advanced: The wording
is actually pretty clear :-). A setting like 00:00-00:02 will lead to
a working filter starting 00:00 and ending to minutes later. But I
guess that one is clear now anyway.

Oleg wrote:

> But don't you think that Alexander only needs a Ctrl-Shift-M
> shortcut to mark all the messages of the thread as read?

Thread killer!! ;-) That's exactly what I need! :-) In combination
with Ctrl-A and then Ctrl-Shift-M it does what I was looking for. Not
automatically, but nevertheless. Thanks!

Greetings,
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