Re: Request for information

[Brian Clark]

Hello OK3, 

(O == "OK3") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MM>> -- Changes in 1.48f --
MM>> [+] Warning when a user attempts to open a file with double extension
MM>> [-] Address Books were not automatically restored

O> Was this announce posted to TBBETA list or to
O> [EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Subscribe ?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The Announcements list. The one listed here (with the sign up form):

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Re[2]: Signatures; Margins/wrapping

[OK3]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Thursday, December 21, 2000, Nick Andriash wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
Signatures; Margins/wrapping:

BS>> A paragraph is recognized by TB only if there is a blank line between
BS>> them. So, this is an example for a 'uncorrect' paragraph.

NA> I  don't believe so. TB does not recognize any paragraphs when you
NA> try and highlight 2 or 3 paragraphs, then hit Alt-L,

If  nothing  highlighted,  I  meant.  If  something is highlighted TB!
treats it as you wish to make one paragraph from what you selected.

You  will  have  to  move  cursor  into each paragraph and press Alt-L
individually.

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Re[2]: Request for information

[OK3]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Thursday, December 21, 2000, Marek Mikus wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
Request for information:

MM> 1.48a and 1.48b were have not been posted. 1.48c - 1.48e fixed bugs in
MM> maintenance centre and changes in 1.48f follows:

MM> -- Changes in 1.48f --
MM> [+] Warning when a user attempts to open a file with double extension
MM> [-] Address Books were not automatically restored
Was this announce posted to TBBETA list or to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Subscribe ?

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Re[2]: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Doug Weller]

Hi Marck,

Thursday, December 21, 2000, 12:26:03 AM, you wrote:

MDP> Well,  I've used TB for over two years now and had several OS failures
MDP> while  using Win95, 98, NT4, 2k and Me. In all of that time I've never
MDP> lost a single message.

MDP> Perhaps  the  TB  error  message was merely a brief lamentation of the
MDP> state in which it found its OS-chewed message base :-).

I'll probably stick with TB, but I've never had a loss of anything
noticeable through a crash before.

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Re[2]: Disaster -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Doug Weller]

Hi Douglas,

Thursday, December 21, 2000, 4:21:00 AM, you wrote:


DH> Not for me it wasn't. It crashed and crashed for good. Forever! It
DH> won't open. Nix. Kaput.

That was terribly bad luck. I've had a lot of crashes over 2 years with Calypso
and never lost anything.

I'll stick with TB if it doesn't do this again.

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Re: Disaster -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Doug & other fellow TB! Users following this thread,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000,  you stated regarding :


DW> And it's still not good enough, even Calypso was robust enough to
DW> recover after a crash.

Not for me it wasn't. It crashed and crashed for good. Forever! It
won't open. Nix. Kaput. Not only that - Calypso's tech support did
NOTHING except blame MY OS, insisting that I install every upgrade
M$ ever put on their web site. All lies to cover up their own
ignorance. I've gotten more help from TBUDL than those idiots ever
knew (and Stephan's there when needed - TB!'s main programmer, no
less).

Calypso has a couple of slick little tricks (that don't compare to
what you get w/ TB! in any case), but MCDallas really sucks.

I had over 50 mb of email in Calypso that I COULDN'T GET AT (their
mailbox is encrypted, remember). Not only that, I emailed them a
small 5 mb one and the fools were downloading my new email with it,
without even being aware of it. God almighty. Talk about
incompetence.

It took them a week to get back to me. Meanwhile, a TBUDL buddy did
the job, exported the small file and had it back to me by the next
day. And HE DID notice that mailbox file was set to download all by
it's lonesome. (The job didn't need to be done online, anyway).
Luckily, most of it was backed up on Netscape Messenger (I didn't
set Calypso to delete from the server until late in the game) which
I easily imported into TB!

Anybody want a Calypso registration number cheap?

DW> I've done a backup -- but that's all the mailboxes, and I
DW> presume if I restored the backup I'd wipe out all the new
DW> messages in the other mailboxes.

That depends on the parameters you chose when restoring. You can
replace, or you can append, or you can use a filter to determine the
dates involved. Put them in a different directory and import them.

DW> Damn.  I can't tolerate this, and it's never happened with any other
DW> program I've used.

That's the best part. Now you have touched on one of the principle
benefits of using TB! Your tolerance will increase noticeably,
concomitantly with your confidence quotient. Here EVERYTHING gets
resolved.

DH - Once a Scrawny and Traumatized Calypso Refugee
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Re: Request for information

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Marek,

thanks for posting this, which I have just requested in anotehr thread
before I saw your message.

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:13:15 +0100GMT (21/12/2000, 06:13 +0800GMT),
Marek Mikus wrote:


MM> -- Changes in 1.48f --
MM> [+] Warning when a user attempts to open a file with double extension

Very good!!

MM> [-] "Message base broken" error when deleting an attachment

That was quick. :-)

MM> [*] Opening of .SHS and .SCR files is permanently disabled

In the registry right? I suggest a dialogue in which the
Protect...Open keys can be seen, or even edited.

MM> [*] Optimized breaking for Favourite and Quick Template menus

I don't understand this.

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Re: receiving mail problem

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Susanne,

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:14:12 -0800GMT (21/12/2000, 08:14 +0800GMT),
Susanne wrote:

S> Today the 'getting mail' process has been exceptionally slow and
S> now TB thinks all my messages on the server are new.

On very rare occasions, this has happened to me too.

S> And is there any way to not download all 458 mails again?

You said:

S> I'm not very familiar with 'Dispatch mail on server', so far.

Give it a try. It's a good tool, which will help you in exact this
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Re: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

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Hi Doug,

On 20 December 2000 at 23:20:19 + (which was 23:20 where I
live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points:

DW>>> I'll have to go back to another email program if this is the
DW>>> consequence of using what I thought was a fantastic email client.

MDP>> No,  TB  is  not  at  fault  here  in  the  least.  This  is the clear
MDP>> consequence  of  an  OS  crash  taking  out a vital file. Any piece of
MDP>> software would and could be vulnerable to this at any time.

DW> I'm not convinced. I also recall a brief flash of a TB error message,
DW> but I didn't catch what it was.

Well,  I've used TB for over two years now and had several OS failures
while  using Win95, 98, NT4, 2k and Me. In all of that time I've never
lost a single message.

Perhaps  the  TB  error  message was merely a brief lamentation of the
state in which it found its OS-chewed message base :-).

The only time I have heard of TB devouring message bases is when folks
testing the new message base format introduced in the 1.42 beta series
attempted to run 1.41 with the new format.

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Re: Request for information

[Tony Boom]

This message: 21/12/2000 00:09 GMT.

Hello syv,


  A reminder of what syv ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  20 December 2000 at 13:54:15 GMT -0800

s> Whenever there is a new version a,b,c,d... Could
s> somebody announce it and a couple of line of why the
s> new version?

  They all get announced virtually instantaneously the second they are
  uploaded if you subscribe to TBBETA.

  The announcements are not always official from ritlabs. The sudden
  massive influx of bug reports and non-fixed bug reports is a sure sign
  that a new version is available for download.
  

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receiving mail problem

[Susanne]

Hi,

I just ran into a problem downloading my mail today.
I leave my messages on the server for 0 days (meaning 1 day for
TB)and so far this worked fine. TB downloads the new messages
only.
Today the 'getting mail' process has been exceptionally slow and
now TB thinks all my messages on the server are new.

Does anyone have advice why this might be happening?
And is there any way to not download all 458 mails again?
I've already worked through most of them, so killing dupes
wouldn't help much.

I'm not very familiar with 'Dispatch mail on server', so far.

I'm using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/11
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Re[2]: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Doug Weller]

Hi Marck,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 10:59:36 PM, you wrote:

MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP> Hash: SHA1

MDP> Hi Doug,

MDP> On 20 December 2000 at 20:39:00 + (which was 20:39 where I
MDP> live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points:

DW>> This is a disaster. My computer crashed and I have now lost all my
DW>> Inbox messages, several thousand.  I'm using 1.48, the Christmas
DW>> edition. I'll have to go back to another email program if this is the
DW>> consequence of using what I thought was a fantastic email client.

MDP> No,  TB  is  not  at  fault  here  in  the  least.  This  is the clear
MDP> consequence  of  an  OS  crash  taking  out a vital file. Any piece of
MDP> software would and could be vulnerable to this at any time.

I'm not convinced. I also recall a brief flash of a TB error message,
but I didn't catch what it was.

[SNIP]

MDP> A word of warning should also be stated here that refers to "eggs" and
MDP> "baskets".  My  Inbox  is  usually  at 0 messages. I have nearly 8
MDP> messages on file and *none* of them reside in the Inbox.

Yes, I'd decided to restructure just before this happened!

I'll recover from the backup to another copy of TB and use that.

Thanks.

Doug


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Re[2]: Disaster -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Doug Weller]

Hi Karin,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 10:52:58 PM, you wrote:

KS> There are a couple of things that you could - and should -
KS> try. The first one is putting the focus on you account
KS> (selecting it) and then press Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L. That will
KS> find lost mailfolders.

Thanks for this tip, although it didn't work. The file was wiped -- it
was about 4 k when I looked at it after the messages vanished.

Doug

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Re[2]: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Alexander Turcic]

J,

try Easy Recovery Pro V5.0. With it you can recover lost files or
data. A demo, limited to 5 recoveries I think, can be downloaded at:
www.ontrack.com.

Greets,

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Re: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

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Hi Doug,

On 20 December 2000 at 20:39:00 + (which was 20:39 where I
live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points:

DW> This is a disaster. My computer crashed and I have now lost all my
DW> Inbox messages, several thousand.  I'm using 1.48, the Christmas
DW> edition. I'll have to go back to another email program if this is the
DW> consequence of using what I thought was a fantastic email client.

No,  TB  is  not  at  fault  here  in  the  least.  This  is the clear
consequence  of  an  OS  crash  taking  out a vital file. Any piece of
software would and could be vulnerable to this at any time.

If the .tbb file is decimated then you will have to rely on a backup.

If  the  .tbb file is still pretty large, you can just delete the .tbi
and allow TB to re-index.

You  have  received  some  other good advice about how to get back the
missing messages from your backup without losing what you have.

A word of warning should also be stated here that refers to "eggs" and
"baskets".  My  Inbox  is  usually  at 0 messages. I have nearly 8
messages on file and *none* of them reside in the Inbox.

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Re: Disaster -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Karin Spaink]

On 20-12-2000 at 22:08, Doug Weller kindly wrote:
> Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 8:46:42 PM, Nick wrote:

D>>> My computer crashed and I have now lost all my Inbox messages,
D>>> several thousand.

ND>> A painful way to learn the wonders of backing up, eh?
ND>> Backups, they're not just for newbies anymore.

> Yep. But as I wrote, will reinstating the backup wipe the newer
> messages in other mailboxes?

Of course. The backup will retrieve the files as they were
ate the time of backing up - that is, unless you've set your
account(s) to leave mail on server for X days.

> And it's still not good enough, even Calypso was robust enough to
> recover after a crash.

I've never seen TB crashing *and* wiping mail folders.

There are a couple of things that you could - and should -
try. The first one is putting the focus on you account
(selecting it) and then press Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L. That will
find lost mailfolders.

If you look at your directory structure using Explorer or
QWinCommander, do you still see the .tbb and .tbi files? Do
they have content?

If so, and if Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L doesn't work, you might go
for the second, much more bothersome, option: manually
recreate mail folders in the exact same place where your
file browser can see them, and press accept when TB tells
you that there's already something there and should it use
it.

Good luck.


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Re: Signatures; Margins/wrapping

[Nick Andriash]

On December 20, 2000, at 3:32:39 AM, Beat Strasser Wrote:

BS> A paragraph is recognized by TB only if there is a blank line between
BS> them. So, this is an example for a 'uncorrect' paragraph.

I don't believe so. TB does not recognize any paragraphs when you try and
highlight 2 or 3 paragraphs, then hit Alt-L, regardless of whether there is
a line between the paragraphs or not, and this is true whether you are
creating a new message, or working with quoted material. TB simply clumps
them all together as the original poster noted, and it makes no difference
where the cursor is or at least I have found no difference.

It is something I have just got used to with TB, but it would be nice if
RITLabs could remedy this situation.


Nick


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Re[2]: TB! v1.48 - %ABxxxxyyyy

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Januk,

   In a post time stamped re: "TB! v1.48 - %AB" you wrote:

Januk> Wow, this turned out to be a long post.  Sorry about that.

  Hey, *nothing* to be sorry about. Thanks very, very much for
  taking the time to explain that so completely. I'm sure many
  benefited from it. I sure did.

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Final Message Regarding: Help, Please - Transferring TB, Completely Flummoxed

[JM14]

Hi Everyone,

I am delighted to report that TB has now been successfully
moved from my old system to my new one, across drive
letters, that everything is precisely where it should be,
from folders to subfolders, messages, and address groups,
and functioning is it should be, and that, for good measure,
the upgrade from v. 145 to v. 148e went off without a
hitch.

I again thank everyone who took the time to help me with
this.  I very much appreciate it.

I'd also like to thank all of the regular contributors to
this discussion list, from many of whose posts I have gained
much over the several months of my membership and whose
posts have helped get even more use and benefit from TB than
I would have otherwise.  This is a fine program with fine support
form several very generous people on this list.

My own technical savoir-faire is much beneath the general
level here, and, in comparison to some, practically
non-existent.  Thus I have little to contribute back, and in
the few instances where I *could* help, someone else has
invariably got there first.

So, I'll contribute what I can here -- which is my profound
and deeply felt thanks.

Have good holidays.

Be well,
Jerry Mundis

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Re: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hi TBUDL,

On  Wed, 20 Dec 2000  at  22:07:49 GMT +0100 (which was 1:07 PM
where I live) witnesses say Kari Jakobi typed:

> Yes that's right. Best if you backup the new messages now. Then export
> them via TB!'s export function. Afterwards put your old backup in.
> This should get your old messages back. Then just import the exported
> messages. Remember that the hilighted folder will be the folder where
> the imported files will end up in.

You know there is an even easier method?  In TB, create a temporary
folder.  Close TB, and restore the backup Inbox files to the temporary
folder's directory.  Now open TB and move all these messages to your
Inbox.  Then you can delete the temporary folder.

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Re[2]: Help, Please - Transferring TB, Completely Flummoxed

[JM14]

Januk,

JA> Address groups don't show up where?  If you mean when you open the
JA> Address book, you need to open the files at least once.  Use:
JA>  Tools -> Address Book -> File -> Open Address Book...

Bingo!  That was the last piece.  Everything works now.

I thank you.

Be well,
Jerry

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Re: TB! v1.48 - %ABxxxxyyyy

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hi TBUDL,

On  Wed, 20 Dec 2000  at  07:49:30 GMT -0500 (which was 4:49 AM
where I live) witnesses say Jan Rifkinson typed:

Januk>> %ABnnnPPP="Default value"

Januk>> An example of this is for greetings.  Suppose I want my greeting to
Januk>> say "Hi Chris" when I reply to my friend Christopher, but the full
Januk>> first name if the person isn't in my address book.  I would use:

Januk>> Hi %ABofromFIRSTNAME="%OFROMFNAME"

>   I'm trying to understand the real use of this new macro & how it
>   differs from one of the current name macros.

The new macros pull info from the address book instead of from the
original message.  So continuing the example above, suppose my friend
sends me a message with the from line looking like:

 From: Christopher Friend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If I were just using %OFROMFNAME, I would get:

 Hi Christopher,

However, I if have an address book entry for the address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , I can use the information I have stored
there.  So now using %ABofromFIRSTNAME, I get:

 Hi Chris,

Where 'Chris' is the first name of the contact in the address book that
matches the address <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

Now consider the following, what happens if there is no address book
entry that matches the address?  Well, by supplying a default value,
you get the address book entry if it exists, otherwise you get the
default.  This behaviour can be used with some fancy regular
expressions to come up with some *smart* templates.

Let's extend the current example so that if the person I'm replying to
has an AB entry, I say "Hi Chris,"  and if they don't have an AB
entry, I say "Hello Christopher,".  In this case, you can use the
regular expression:


%SETPATTREGEXP="(?(?=Hi\s;;)Hi\s;;(.*)|(.*);;)"%REGEXPMATCH="Hi %ABtoFIRSTNAME;;Hello 
%TOFNAME"%SUBPATT="2",


Here we are taking advantage of the fact that the %ABnnnYYY macros
return empty strings if they find no match.

Ok, so now you're thinking, "Well, that's kind of interesting, but
do I really need to waste my time with this?"

I'll give you an example which is a little more powerful.  Consider a
situation where you receive mail where your responses need to be
formal.  This could be your bosses, professors, teachers, etc.  Well,
one way of being formal is to say, "Hello (Mr.|Mrs.|Dr.) Lastname,"

You could do this by creating *specific* address book templates for
each of these people, but who wants to do that?  Instead create a
group template that uses the following syntax for the greeting:

Hello %ABtoNAMEPREFIX%ABtoLASTNAME,

Now you might notice that this particular example I've used the to
address instead of ofrom for the search.  This is something you should
look at for your particular case.  In general, use %ABofromYYY for reply
templates and %ABtoYYY for new message templates.

As a final example, consider the case where your correspondent has a
poorly formatted From line.  Using %ABxxxYYY macros lets you clean up
the mess in a variety of ways automatically.  Suppose your
correspondent replies with one address but prefers you to mail a
different address.  Well, simply use:

%TO=""%TO='"%ABofromNAME=''%OFROMNAME''" <%ABofromEMAIL="%OREPLYADDR">'

This will clean up the To line if you have an entry, otherwise it will
reconstruct it the way TB normally does.

> Is this new macro best used @ the AB level or where?

With the default value option, you can safely use these macros in any
template.  How much you use the macros depends on how unique you make
your templates.

Be warned that the %ABxxxYYY macros give some very weird results if
there are multiple matches for a given address.  So if you're getting
some very unexpected results, check all your address books for
duplicates.

Wow, this turned out to be a long post.  Sorry about that.

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Re: Request for information

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, December 20, 2000, syv wrote:

> Whenever there is a new version a,b,c,d... Could
> somebody announce it and a couple of line of why the
> new version?

1.48a and 1.48b were have not been posted. 1.48c - 1.48e fixed bugs in
maintenance centre and changes in 1.48f follows:

-- Changes in 1.48f --
[+] Warning when a user attempts to open a file with double extension
[-] Address Books were not automatically restored
[-] Bugs with attachment handling in the message editor
[-] Upon installation for the first time, the Personal Address book was not stored
[-] "Message base broken" error when deleting an attachment
[*] Opening of .SHS and .SCR files is permanently disabled
[*] Address group flags are exported to the LDIF format
[*] Address item "favourite" flag is exported to the LDIF format
[*] Optimized breaking for Favourite and Quick Template menus

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Re: Request for information

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Hello syv, 

(s == "syv") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

s> Whenever there is a new version a,b,c,d... Could
s> somebody announce it and a couple of line of why the
s> new version?

You probably want to subscribe to the announcements list. When a new
release is made, you're informed of changes, bug-fixes, new features,
etc.

Sending mail here should work, I think:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Subscribe

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Hi TBUDL,


Whenever there is a new version a,b,c,d... Could
somebody announce it and a couple of line of why the
new version?


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Re: Disaster -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

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On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, at 21:19:45 h [GMT +]
you wrote this about "Disaster -- crash and lost all Inbox messages":

DW> Thanks. An easier method might be to install a copy of The Bat!
DW> temporarily on another computer, install my backup into that, export
DW> my inbox and reimport it to the copy on my computer (I'm presuming I
DW> can't have 2 copies on my computer, which would be a bit easier).

Very sleak, indeed! You have outdone me...

Revenge ;-)

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Re[2]: Disaster -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Doug Weller]

Hi Kari,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 9:07:49 PM, you wrote:


KJ> Yes that's right. Best if you backup the new messages now. Then export
KJ> them via TB!'s export function. Afterwards put your old backup in.
KJ> This should get your old messages back. Then just import the exported
KJ> messages. Remember that the hilighted folder will be the folder where
KJ> the imported files will end up in.

Thanks. An easier method might be to install a copy of The Bat!
temporarily on another computer, install my backup into that, export
my inbox and reimport it to the copy on my computer (I'm presuming I
can't have 2 copies on my computer, which would be a bit easier).

Doug

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Re[2]: Disaster -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Doug Weller]

Hi Nick,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 8:46:42 PM, you wrote:

ND> Ref Subject: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages
ND> From: Doug Weller

ND> Hi Doug,

D>> My computer crashed and I have now lost all my Inbox messages,
D>> several thousand.

ND> A painful way to learn the wonders of backing up, eh?

ND> Backups, they're not just for newbies anymore.

Yep. But as I wrote, will reinstating the backup wipe the newer
messages in other mailboxes?

And it's still not good enough, even Calypso was robust enough to
recover after a crash.

Doug

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Re: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

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Hello Doug,

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, at 20:47:38 h [GMT +]
you wrote this about "Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages":

DW> I've done a backup -- but that's all the mailboxes, and I presume if I
DW> restored the backup I'd wipe out all the new messages in the other
DW> mailboxes.

Yes that's right. Best if you backup the new messages now. Then export
them via TB!'s export function. Afterwards put your old backup in.
This should get your old messages back. Then just import the exported
messages. Remember that the hilighted folder will be the folder where
the imported files will end up in.

DW> Damn.  I can't tolerate this, and it's never happened with any other
DW> program I've used.

To me neither.

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Re: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

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Hello Doug,

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, at 20:39:00 h [GMT +]
you wrote this about "Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages":

DW> This is a disaster. My computer crashed and I have now lost all my
DW> Inbox messages, several thousand.  I'm using 1.48, the Christmas
DW> edition. I'll have to go back to another email program if this is the
DW> consequence of using what I thought was a fantastic email client.

Could you please be somewhat more specific, Doug?
Did it crash because of TB! or was it a system crash?
Do you have backups of your mailfolders and your TB! registry keys?

DW> It wasn't a particularly serious crash, but there was 1 lost file!

Which one? What happened exactly?



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Re: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Doug Weller]

Hi Doug,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 8:39:00 PM, you wrote:

DW> This is a disaster. My computer crashed and I have now lost all my
DW> Inbox messages, several thousand.  I'm using 1.48, the Christmas
DW> edition. I'll have to go back to another email program if this is the
DW> consequence of using what I thought was a fantastic email client.

DW> It wasn't a particularly serious crash, but there was 1 lost file!

That is, one lost file reported -- and the messages file in my inbox
now are tiny.

I've done a backup -- but that's all the mailboxes, and I presume if I
restored the backup I'd wipe out all the new messages in the other
mailboxes.

Damn.  I can't tolerate this, and it's never happened with any other
program I've used.

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Re: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages

[Nick Danger]

Ref Subject: Disater -- crash and lost all Inbox messages
From: Doug Weller

Hi Doug,

D> My computer crashed and I have now lost all my Inbox messages,
D> several thousand.

A painful way to learn the wonders of backing up, eh?

Backups, they're not just for newbies anymore.

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[Doug Weller]

This is a disaster. My computer crashed and I have now lost all my
Inbox messages, several thousand.  I'm using 1.48, the Christmas
edition. I'll have to go back to another email program if this is the
consequence of using what I thought was a fantastic email client.

It wasn't a particularly serious crash, but there was 1 lost file!
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Re: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo David,

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:09:45 +0100 GMT (21/12/2000, 01:09 +0800 GMT),
David Buntenbroich wrote:

>> Since you're using a German version of TB, could you try to
>> uninstall the language pack and see if the problem disappear in a
>> English only version. I vaguely remember some other people ran into
>> troubles (not the same one, though) after installing the language
>> pack.

DB> Is there a way to uninstall the language pack without uninstalling TB
DB> itself? If there is, I did not find it. I renamed TheBat.LNG
DB> whereafter TB was only able to show up in English, but that had no
DB> effect on my problem.

Unless you are using the "mod DE" version, this means that it is not
the fault of the language pack.

As a matter of fact, I do believe it's your video driver in connection
with W2K. I have no idea, but is it possible to un-something it and
then see whether the problem persists?

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Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher

[David Buntenbroich]

Hello Ming-Li,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 2:26:29 PM, you wrote:

> Also all time fields show a strange string of "xsupp" at the end
> before the scrambled part. So maybe there's indeed something wrong
> other than the driver.

That would explain, why this happens nowhere else.

> Since you're using a German version of TB, could you try to
> uninstall the language pack and see if the problem disappear in a
> English only version. I vaguely remember some other people ran into
> troubles (not the same one, though) after installing the language
> pack.

Is there a way to uninstall the language pack without uninstalling TB
itself? If there is, I did not find it. I renamed TheBat.LNG
whereafter TB was only able to show up in English, but that had no
effect on my problem.

> BTW, have you email the .png file to RIT for debugging? Did you
> remind them of the erratic display in the time fields. (They might
> miss it, as I did, since the scrambled part at the far right is so
> obvious and might take attention away from other details.)

I sent them the same message that I posted on this list. I might do
what you suggested later when (or if) I get the feedback from the
German mailinglist by someone with the same (or a similar) problem.
However, maybe they already read your message and are already trying
to fix it (hopeful thinking).



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Re: 1.48 version

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo syv,

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:28:55 -0800 GMT (21/12/2000, 00:28 +0800 GMT),
syv wrote:

s> What's the difference between 1.48d and 1.48e?

A bug in the Maintenance Center is fixed.

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Re: New to the BAT, virus question

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,

Responding  to  your  article  on Wed, 20 Dec 2000 at 16:25:40 GMT +
(which was 20/12/2000 23:25 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :


TF>> You can do this with a filtering string. I think it should be in the
TF>> FAQ (www.faq.thebat.dutaint.com),

MDP> ?

MDP> I think you mean http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html

It will go to the same page :-)
(I have made URL forwading for this, long time ago).

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Re: New to the BAT, virus question

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Marck,

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:25:40 + GMT (21/12/2000, 00:25 +0800 GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

TF>> You can do this with a filtering string. I think it should be in the
TF>> FAQ (www.faq.thebat.dutaint.com),

MDP> ?

MDP> I think you mean http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html

I meant http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com

Syafril has put an autorelay to your page on this URL. :-)

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Hi TBUDL,


What's the difference between 1.48d and 1.48e?


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Re: New to the BAT, virus question

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Hi Thomas,

On 20 December 2000 at 00:02:12 +0800 (which was 16:02 where I
live) Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points:

DM>> and how about spam mail, what can I do to stop it coming through?

TF> You can do this with a filtering string. I think it should be in the
TF> FAQ (www.faq.thebat.dutaint.com),

?

I think you mean http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html

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Re: New to the BAT, virus question

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Hi Daniel,

On 20 December 2000 at 16:49:47 +0100 (which was 15:49 where I
live) Daniel Morton wrote and made these points:

DM> What I want to know is about its virus protection system and spam
DM> mail. OE is targetted for viruses (using its address book) either
DM> b/c it is known or vulnerable or both. Is The Bat address book and
DM> file attachment system and whatever else makes email programs
DM> susceptible better protected again virus proliferation?

Completely!  TB does not respond to "GET" requests in HTML mail so you
are  protected  in that way. TB does not auto-execute any attachments.
If  you attempt to launch a suspicious attachment, TB will warn you in
no uncertain terms that you are running a risk of viral infection.

A  virus  was  sent  to  this  list  last  week. Nobody reported being
affected  by  it  but  we  all noticed and and remarked upon it in the
bemused detachment of the smugly immune :-).

DM> and how about spam mail, what can I do to stop it coming through?

There  is a much vaunted spam filtering system which many here employ.
It consists of the following sorting office practices:

1) Set up filters for family/friends to move mails to specific folders
2) Set up filters for the lists you frequent to move mails to specific
   folders.
3) Set up a single catch all filter at the end of the above list of
   filters (filters are processed top-down sequentially) to filter all
   messages addressed to *you specifically* to the Inbox.
4) Set up a final filter to move anything with an 'e' in the headers
   to a "Spam" folder and mark it as "read".

This catches 95% of all spam coming into my system.

Once  in  a  while  I visit my spam folder and transcribe the messages
over to http://spamcop.com to get to perpetrators dealt with properly.

HTH

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Re: New to the BAT, virus question

[Manfred Ell]

On 20-12-2000 at 16:49:47GMT +0100 (which was 15:49 where I live)
Daniel Morton wrote regarding the subject of "New to the BAT, virus question"


Daniel> I was using Outlook and got a virus so my life was ruined
Daniel>   for a week. I then tried Netscape and thought I would have to buy
Daniel>   more ram to send emails to my mother. I looked Eudora and people
Daniel>   were complaining, so every seems happy with The bat which I am now
Daniel>   using. What I want to know is about its virus protection system and
Daniel>   spam mail. OE is targetted for viruses (using its address book)
Daniel>   either b/c it is known or vulnerable or both. Is The Bat address
Daniel>   book and file attachment system and whatever else makes email
Daniel>   programs susceptible better protected again virus proliferation? and
Daniel>   how about spam mail, what can I do to stop it coming through?
Daniel>   much obliged, just searching for a lifeline solution.

Hello Daniel,

You've found it!

You can get rid of spam via the filtering system. There have been
various threads (not long ago), which explained how to set this up.
You can check the archive at
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/

More help is available via FAQ at http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html

Regarding viruses: you're pretty safe here as long as you don't open
attachments, which you don't know (TheBat doesn't let you open them
without warning anyway). Script and other HTML stuff viruses don't get
triggered because TheBat has it's own HTML displaying machine and
doesn't require IE. (You can't *write* HTML mails yet).


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Re: New to the BAT, virus question

[Beat Strasser]

Hi Daniel

>   and thanks for all your quick responses to my reply message template
>   question. I was using Outlook and got a virus so my life was ruined
>   for a week. I then tried Netscape and thought I would have to buy
>   more ram to send emails to my mother.

...what a true word! ;)

>   were complaining, so every seems happy with The bat which I am now
>   using. What I want to know is about its virus protection system and
>   spam mail. OE is targetted for viruses (using its address book)
>   either b/c it is known or vulnerable or both. Is The Bat address
>   book and file attachment system and whatever else makes email
>   programs susceptible better protected again virus proliferation? and

You've  chosen  a  good  MUA  with  TB,  especially  in  view of virus
protection.  TB  does  a  great  job  with  recognising possible virus
attacks:  not  allowing  code  in  html mails, warning messages before
opening an attachment (default is saving, not opening), etc...

If  you  nevertheless  have  a  virus  infection,  the virus had to be
especially  written  for  TB, else a virus would never find your saved
email addresses or messages - so, you're safe with TB.

>   how about spam mail, what can I do to stop it coming through?
>   much obliged, just searching for a lifeline solution.

You  can  set  up a filter that discards (or moves to special folders)
mails  in  which  your  email address is not listed as recipient. This
will recognize a lot of junk, but also some newsletters and mails from
mailing  lists.  So,  you've to set up some specific filters that keep
these messages.

Your  question  concerning spam was asked some days ago also in TBUDL.
Look  in  the  mail archive - if you don't have the messages anymore -
for the thread 'Spam filter' by John Phillips.
  http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com

So short,
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Re: New to the BAT, virus question

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Daniel,

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:49:47 +0100 GMT (20/12/2000, 23:49 +0800 GMT),
Daniel Morton wrote:

DM>   and thanks for all your quick responses to my reply message template
DM>   question.

Welcome to TBUDL. :-)

DM> Is The Bat address book and file attachment system and whatever
DM> else makes email programs susceptible better protected again virus
DM> proliferation?

Most viruses are attachments to emails with a .vbs or .pif or so
extension. TB will warn you if you try to open a file with such an
extension. The rest is at your own risk, and while theere are no known
viruses targeted to TB (thus answering your question about the
addressbook), it does not substitute a good and updated anti-virus
program.

DM> and how about spam mail, what can I do to stop it coming through?

You can do this with a filtering string. I think it should be in the
FAQ (www.faq.thebat.dutaint.com), or else it's in the archives (see
bottom of each message how to access the archives).

DM>   much obliged, just searching for a lifeline solution.

Should be "lifetime solution", right? ;-)

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Re: Reply message question

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo David,

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:52:40 + GMT (20/12/2000, 23:52 +0800 GMT),
David Bevington wrote:

DB> "The time was when a library was very like a museum and the
DB> librarian was a mouser in musty books. The time is when the
DB> library is a school and the librarian is in the highest sense a
DB> teacher, and a reader is a workman among his tools."

DB> Melvil Dewey  (1851-1931)

Well, and today, a library is a set of .dll files. ;-)

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Re: Reply message question

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Hi Daniel,

On 20 December 2000 at 16:08:06 +0100 (which was 15:08 where I
live) Daniel Morton wrote and made these points:

DM> I am not sure this is the correct forum but I can't figure out when I
DM> hit reply how to put my reply at the top of the message and the
DM> message I received at the bottom.

You  have  received  a  number  of accurate replies which point to the
position  of  the  %QUOTES  macro  in  reply  templates  and  advising
interspersed comments.

Might  I recommend the excellent article by Allie Curtis Martin on the
FAQ site which discusses templates.

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/templates.html

I  would  like to echo this and say that I believe that the M$ LookOut
methodology  (which you are trying to emulate) is *not* a good one. It
goes  against  netiquette in that comments you make are out of context
and  the  reader  has  to  trawl  down through the reply to get to the
original  points  about  which  a  reply  is being made. Also, in that
method,  over-quoting  (including more of the original message than is
necessary  to convey the reply context) is the norm ... and a very bad
norm it is too!

The netiquette order of preference in reply formatting is:

1). Comments placed alternately between quoted points.
2). Recap context first, add comments at end (as in this message)
.
.
.
999). Put entire original message at the end complete with headers.

This is opinion, not rule. IMHO it *should* be a rule somewhere.

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Re: Reply message question

[David Bevington]

Hello Daniel,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 3:08:06 PM, you wrote:

Daniel> I think it might have to do with the reply template, but I
Daniel> couldn't see where I edit or view all these macros. thanks.

>From the main TB! window go to Account/properties/Templates. Click the
+ sign to expand this option. Click the reply template to select this
option and in the window on the right is the default Account reply
template. The macro %CURSOR is what determines the position of the
cursor when you enter the editing window. In my template this come
after the following:

%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote:

%Quotes

This sets up a reply so that your message appears after the previous
message. Move the %CURSOR in the template to be above those lines and
reply will appear as you want them.

Templates are one of the strengths of The Bat!. The default account
templates can be overruled by templates at the folder level and
address book level. There is a useful article on the FAQ site at
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New to the BAT, virus question

[Daniel Morton]

Hello TBUDL,

  and thanks for all your quick responses to my reply message template
  question. I was using Outlook and got a virus so my life was ruined
  for a week. I then tried Netscape and thought I would have to buy
  more ram to send emails to my mother. I looked Eudora and people
  were complaining, so every seems happy with The bat which I am now
  using. What I want to know is about its virus protection system and
  spam mail. OE is targetted for viruses (using its address book)
  either b/c it is known or vulnerable or both. Is The Bat address
  book and file attachment system and whatever else makes email
  programs susceptible better protected again virus proliferation? and
  how about spam mail, what can I do to stop it coming through?
  much obliged, just searching for a lifeline solution.

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Re[2]: Reply message question

[Beat Strasser]

Hi Nick

> My preferred method (about which I'm not a zealot, nor indeed
> especially scrupulous in practice) is to place my comments at the end
> of short messages, and to intersperse comments on individual points in
> longer messages thus:

I think this is the best method.

> Of course (he said mischievously), you could reverse the quote and
> comment in non-Bat list messages (by using folder templates), but
> leave it as it is for messages to the Bat lists. That way, no-one here
> would know about your wickedness!

:-)) What a phony guy... ;-)

So short,
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Re: Reply message question

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Daniel,

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:08:06 +0100 GMT (20/12/2000, 23:08 +0800 GMT),
Daniel Morton wrote:

DM> I am not sure this is the correct forum

It is. :-)

DM> but I can't figure out when I hit reply how to put my reply at the
DM> top of the message and the message I received at the bottom.

In the main menu, go to Account / Properties / Tempaltes / Reply.

You will find a %Quotes macro there. In between all the other macros,
this is were the original message is quoted. Move it to the bottom,
where you want it.

Your own reply will start at the point indicated by the %Cursor macro.

If this is not clar, I can post my own Reply macro here for you to see
as an example. But I might have different preferences from you.

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Re: Reply message question

[Nick Gordon]

Hello Daniel,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 3:08:06 PM, you wrote:

DM> I am not sure this is the correct forum but
DM> I can't figure out when I
DM> hit reply how to put my reply at the top of
DM> the message and the
DM> message I received at the bottom. Currently
DM> my message appears at the
DM> bottom. I have looked at the FAQ and I
DM> think my question is too
DM> elementary to be there and I looked in the
DM> help and I think it might
DM> have to do with the reply template, but I
DM> couldn't see where I edit or
DM> view all these macros. thanks.

If you look at the reply template, it says:

%QUOTES
%CURSOR

and so it quotes the message first, then places the cursor after the
quote.

You could simply reverse these 2 and have your comments come before
the cursor BUT I believe this is one of those areas in which opinions
are divided and strong. Others on the list have more knowledge and
stronger views than me, but in summary, some people don't like the
comment first.

My preferred method (about which I'm not a zealot, nor indeed
especially scrupulous in practice) is to place my comments at the end
of short messages, and to intersperse comments on individual points in
longer messages thus:

Point A

 Comment on A

Point B

Comment on B

and so on.

Of course (he said mischievously), you could reverse the quote and
comment in non-Bat list messages (by using folder templates), but
leave it as it is for messages to the Bat lists. That way, no-one here
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Re: Reply message question

[Beat Strasser]

Hi Daniel

> I am not sure this is the correct forum but I can't figure out when I

Yes, it is.

> hit reply how to put my reply at the top of the message and the
> message I received at the bottom. Currently my message appears at the
> bottom. I have looked at the FAQ and I think my question is too
> elementary to be there and I looked in the help and I think it might
> have to do with the reply template, but I couldn't see where I edit or
> view all these macros. thanks.

You're right, this has to do with the reply template which is editable
in menu Account/Properties/Templates/Reply. There you'll probably find
something  like %Cursor. Move this string wherever you want, before or
after %Quotes which is the macro to insert the original text quoted.

I  hopefully  may  give  you another hint: if you're replying, it is a
good  thing  not  to  quote  the whole message, but only these phrases
you're  commenting  or  answering. It's also ok, to insert the answers
right between some quotes.

So short,
Beat

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export email to outlook ?

[Frédéric Médery]

Is it possible to export all my email form the bat to outlook 2000 ?


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Reply message question

[Daniel Morton]

Hello TBUDL,

I am not sure this is the correct forum but I can't figure out when I
hit reply how to put my reply at the top of the message and the
message I received at the bottom. Currently my message appears at the
bottom. I have looked at the FAQ and I think my question is too
elementary to be there and I looked in the help and I think it might
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Re: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher

[Ming-Li]

On Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 3:42:38 AM, David wrote:

> I already updated to the beta driver I found on www.3dfx.com by
> now (This was the only one being offered for Vodoo Banshee on
> Windows 2000.) Still, the problem persists.

Just took a good look at your screen capture and found there're
indeed some irregularities that should have nothing to do with
driver:

- the 6th message's time field shows: 13.550 12.2000
- the 7th message's time field shows: 15:29/3:E-mail ko...
- the 6th message's time field shows: 16:32isc: Sonstiges

Also all time fields show a strange string of "xsupp" at the end
before the scrambled part. So maybe there's indeed something wrong
other than the driver.

Since you're using a German version of TB, could you try to
uninstall the language pack and see if the problem disappear in a
English only version. I vaguely remember some other people ran into
troubles (not the same one, though) after installing the language
pack.

BTW, have you email the .png file to RIT for debugging? Did you
remind them of the erratic display in the time fields. (They might
miss it, as I did, since the scrambled part at the far right is so
obvious and might take attention away from other details.)

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Re: Signatures; Margins/wrapping

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Leonard,

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:54:22 -0500 GMT (20/12/2000, 18:54 +0800 GMT),
Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote:

LSB> 1. Is the only way to insert a signature through the use of templates?

You can create a QuickTemplate which in turn calls a text file. When
you write your message, you can invoke that QT, which will put the
text file into your message.

Or your don't use a text file, and put the text of your sig into the
QT. You can have different QT's for different sigs.

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Re[2]: TB! v1.48 - %ABxxxxyyyy

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Januk,

   In a post time stamped re: "TB! v1.48 - %AB" you wrote:

Januk> %ABnnnPPP="Default value"

Januk> An example of this is for greetings.  Suppose I want my greeting to
Januk> say "Hi Chris" when I reply to my friend Christopher, but the full
Januk> first name if the person isn't in my address book.  I would use:

Januk> Hi %ABofromFIRSTNAME="%OFROMFNAME"

  I'm trying to understand the real use of this new macro & how it
  differs from one of the current name macros. Is this new macro
  best used @ the AB level or where?
  
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Re[4]: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher

[David Buntenbroich]

Hello Jamie,

Monday, December 18, 2000, 4:32:25 PM, you wrote:

DB>> Is there anyone with a Vodoo Banshee card not having my prolem? (Just
DB>> checking.)

> Yes me. A sparkle card w/Voodoo Banshee chipset. Always workd happily
> with my Voodoo 4500.

> [...]

>  The Bat! 1.48 Beta/12
>  Windows 98 4.10 

OK, that means the problem does not come up on Windows 98. Anyone with
Vodoo Banshee on Windows 2000? (Someone must confirm this problem,
please ;-)

David

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Re[3]: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher

[David Buntenbroich]

Hello Jamie,

Monday, December 18, 2000, 4:30:48 PM, you wrote:

> Would the reference driver at www.3dfx.com work? I used a sparkle
> Voodoo Banshee and always used the reference drivers. I can get you an
> 8MB TNT card cheap if you need it 

I already updated to the beta driver I found on www.3dfx.com by now
(This was the only one being offered for Vodoo Banshee on Windows
2000.) Still, the problem persists.

David

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Re: Signatures; Margins/wrapping

[Beat Strasser]

Hi Leonard

> 1. Is the only way to insert a signature through the use of templates?
> I am not interested in random signatures or cookies. There is an entry
> for "signatures" in the help index, but it displays an essay on
> templates.

Yes.  Templates  are  used  instead of signatures. This is more useful
because  you can put text everywhere you want and also the cursor, not
only at the end like signatures. There are two kinds of templates:

  -  Message  templates  that  you  can  edit  in Accounts properties/
  Templates.

  -  Quick  templates that you can embed whenever you like (Utilities/
  Insert  Quick templates/...). These templates you can create in menu
  Options/Quick templates.

> 2. The message editor wraps nicely until I go back an insert a word or
> two. Then I have to use Utilities>Format Block>Left to fix it. A pain.
> Is there a way to set wrapping to be more automatic, like a word
> processor? In one instance, I highlighted the entire text and selected

Go  to  Utilities/Auto Format (Shift+Ctrl+F). If you want to have this
feature  always  enabled,  go to Options/Editor preferences and enable
the 'AutoFormat' checkbox.

> Format Block. Three paragaphs became one and I had to create the
> paragraphs again. Another pain. Any tricks here?

A  paragraph is recognized by TB only if there is a blank line between
them.
So, this is an example for a 'uncorrect' paragraph.

TB  is  in some things a bit tricky and special, but if you're used to
them, you'll love it and never want to go back to Outlook, Mozilla and
all that crap.

So short,
Beat

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Re: Signatures; Margins/wrapping

[OK3]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote to The Bat Users Discussion 
List about
Signatures; Margins/wrapping:

LSB> 1. Is the only way to insert a signature through the use of templates?
Yes
LSB> I am not interested in random signatures or cookies. There is an entry
LSB> for "signatures" in the help index, but it displays an essay on
LSB> templates.
Nevertheless  random  signatures  also  can  be done by templates with
cookies. A useful macro for signature templates is %ISSIGNATURE.

LSB> 2. The message editor wraps nicely until I go back an insert a word or
LSB> two. Then I have to use Utilities>Format Block>Left to fix it. A pain.
Alt-L.

LSB> Is there a way to set wrapping to be more automatic, like a word
LSB> processor?
Ctrl-Shift-F  toggles  autoformatting.  It  can  be also set in editor
preferences.  But.  You  have  to  be very careful with autoformatting
turned on -- you have to provide an empty line between paragraphs.

LSB> In one instance, I highlighted the entire text and selected
LSB> Format Block. Three paragaphs became one and I had to create the
LSB> paragraphs again. Another pain. Any tricks here?
You  don't need to select a paragraph calling any kind of reformatting
if  the cursor inside this paragraph (if not to mention an ancient bug
with  that  you  have  to place cursor into paragraph with a keyboard,
that  means that you have to make a move with arrows if TB! refuses to
reformat current paragraph correctly).

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Signatures; Margins/wrapping

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

1. Is the only way to insert a signature through the use of templates?
I am not interested in random signatures or cookies. There is an entry
for "signatures" in the help index, but it displays an essay on
templates.

2. The message editor wraps nicely until I go back an insert a word or
two. Then I have to use Utilities>Format Block>Left to fix it. A pain.
Is there a way to set wrapping to be more automatic, like a word
processor? In one instance, I highlighted the entire text and selected
Format Block. Three paragaphs became one and I had to create the
paragraphs again. Another pain. Any tricks here?

Thanks.

Leonard
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Re: Account or parent Templates (and now filters problem)

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Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 1:12:01 AM, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

>> For sure I do it one time, but an option to do this should be fine,

> I agree.   I'm just trying to help you with the tools we have. :)

Don't care, that was just a suggestion. It's a marvellous tool !
:)

>> or what else computers are for if I need to do the job? ;-)

> Perhaps, but where automation fails, Copy (CTRL-C) and Pasting
> (CTRL-V), step in nicely.  :)

sure !!!

Anyway, I've strange things with filters since 1.48d, message are
moved from one account to another when they is no rules for
this...

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