Re: Keyboard navigation

[Thomas F]

Hello Joe,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:55:52 -0600 GMT (06/01/2002, 04:55 +0800 GMT),
Joe Finocchiaro wrote:

>>   Just curious: how do you conclude this is a fact?

JF> I think this falls into the realm of common sense, Jan.

I have long decided that there is no such thing as common sense.

If you stay within one culture, say, USA, most people (still not all)
will agree on what is "common sense" (ask Dear Abby, for example).
Once you go across cultures, none of it applies. Do not assume all
people think like Americans - most don't. ;-)

That said, I agree wth syv that the keyboard shortcuts should be
documented, and I agree with you that there is no way I can remember
all of them. I am certainly not a Mouse Guy, hell, I'm not even a GUI
person. I use alt-F2 rather than hitting the Check All button with the
mouse, but I perfectly agree that the mouse made many things a lot
easier for people advancing in age .

FWIW the keyboard shortcuts crtl-C and crtl-V are *not* intuitive. Bit
we use them a lot, and they are the same in every proggie. That's why
we remember them. When windows was jsut new, WordPerfect was still a
rather well-known word processing software. It used keyboard shortcuts
like no other, and a friend of mine, being a legal secretary and
therefore having to type a lot, used it and loved it. I could never
quite remember all these crtl-F5 and shit-F4 and all these, and
preferred Word: clicke-ti-click.

There you go. On the question: What's better - mouse or keyboard, I
contradict myself. Bottom line: I use both. ;-)

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Re: Threading (was Re: Folder Columns)

[Thomas F]

Hello Andrew,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:54:06 +0100 GMT (06/01/2002, 04:54 +0800 GMT),
Andrew Aronoff wrote:

AA> If I'm particularly interested in a thread, though, I don't wait for
AA> the digest. I come to the web archive and compose a reply, using the
AA> same title and referring to the right person.

Do you compose a reply out of the web archive? I don't think that's
possible, but I would love to do this. On Yahoogroups, I read the
postings online when I'm travelling and post replies right there. For
TBUDL/TBBETA, I seem to be able to read only via the web interface,
but not reply to the list.

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Re: HTML email's will not show content?

[Dwight A Corrin]

On 6 Jan 2002, 1:13:33 AM, Don Zeigler wrote:

> But it would be nice if the Bat! had a full-fledged html viewer with
> the ability to toggle on/off external images. This is one strong
> feature of Pocomail. I would leave images off to avoid possible web
> bugs unless the mail was from a trusted source, such as a mailing
> list from a software company.

I used to espouse this view on this list but have come around to the
view that just clicking on the html message icon and opening the
message in my browser is a very adequate remedy.

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Re: HTML email's will not show content?

[Thomas F]

Hello Marck,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:37:40 + GMT (06/01/2002, 05:37 +0800 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

>> Love to be able to read Japanese/Korean/Chinese characters

MDP> This is not going to part of the early v2 release.

Sorry to contradict, but I have been able to read and to compose mails
in Chinese ever since I started using TB (and that was v1.34).

The only problem is that the viewer will not make a line break, as the
whole text appears to it as one word (no spaces, you see). This makes
it rather unusable for Chinese people, but has nothing to do with the
character rendering. Workaround is to write emails with manual line
breaks.

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Re: Different settings for various SMTP servers..

[Thomas F]

Hello Han,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:42:56 +0100 GMT (05/01/2002, 18:42 +0800 GMT),
Han Thomas wrote:

HT> Currently I'm manually changing SMTP server settings for my 3 mail accounts
HT> twice a day; in the morning at the office and then in the evening at home.

HT> Is there a better way to do this?

Create a free account at www.myrealbox.com. Use their SMTP server all
the time (you have to log in with your myreal account data but can
then use the server regardlesss of the From address or through which
ISP you are logged in).

Another way is to have an SMTP server on your hard disk, but that
means you must be logged in until the messages are really sent. This
can be a drag if you send a message just before going home, and then
the recipient's POP server doesn't respond.

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Re: Folder Columns

[Dwight A Corrin]

On 5 Jan 2002, 1:07:03 PM, Andrew Aronoff wrote:

> IMHO, the program should do the reverse. Folder columns should use
> shared settings _unless_ a box is checked.

I would second this suggestion. This is especially important in the
beta series, where some things can cause automatic creation of
folders.

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Re: New message from Favourites & Memo in saved file

[Dwight A Corrin]

On 5 Jan 2002, 12:31:41 PM, Andrew Aronoff wrote:

> I assume that 1.53d is the current production version in English.

If you go to the beta page, you can download 1.53t there.

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Re[2]: New message from Favourites & Memo in saved file

[Raj]

Andrew,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, at 15:08:51 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:38 PM where I live) you
wrote:

AA> Also, we're not using the same version of TB! -- I'm using the latest
AA> production version.

This option has been working for all the versions I have used.

Try this

%bcc=""%bcc="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

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Re[2]: HTML email's will not show content?

[Don Zeigler]

On 1/5/2002 at 3:51 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> "Sadly" is about how many people go over the top as soon as they get
> their hands on rich text formatting. Suddenly everyone's sending HTML
> mails (and it is HTML mail we're talking about here, not merely RTF,
> which is at the same time both a proprietary and a widely variant
> standard). That's sad - I'd rather it didn't have to be encouraged.

> At the same time, as I say, I see the need.

> The even bigger need here is the need to get a tick in the "features"
> column in comparative reviews. That one I can't argue with, not for
> one second .

And the fact that the Bat doesn't do html is always mentioned as a
weakness in most reviews I've read.

Personally, I can live without the ability to compose those types of
mails, since I always use plaintext. But it would be nice if the Bat!
had a full-fledged html viewer with the ability to toggle on/off
external images. This is one strong feature of Pocomail. I would leave
images off to avoid possible web bugs unless the mail was from a
trusted source, such as a mailing list from a software company.

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Re: automatic encryption of message file

[Andy Spiegl]

Hi Peter,

> Andy: I have to admit I was wrong.
No problem.  Good to see that there are still people out there who can
admit their mistakes.  A rare attitude these days. :-(

> is stronger than before implemented in 'StrongBat!' and 'SecureBat!'
Please tell me more about StrongBat.  Never heard about it before.
SecureBat sounds great, but is too expensive for me right now. :-(

Thanks,
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Re: Reformat (Alt-L) multiple times

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello jonathan,

An archeological dig discovered that on Friday, January 4, 2002 at
09:06 GMT -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [JW] typed the
following:

JW> An on-going and annoying problem with reformatting paragraphs with Alt-L.
JW> Sometimes I'll have to position the cursor multiple times within a
JW> paragaph and use Alt-L to reformat it properly.

The problem has a few workarounds, many of which others have posted
earlier.  However, the reason this bug exists is because of a little
known feature.  You can reformat selected lines with ALT-L by
highlighting the text that needs changing.

This feature lets you define a paragraph outside of the blank-line
restrictions.  That means you can easily combine two (or more)
paragraphs into one, or you can reformat lines not separated by a
blank line (like a list).

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Re[2]: Changing both sender & replyto -- interested in the PGP reference

[Luc]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

It was foretold that on 6-1-2002 @ 19:59:57 GMT-0500 (which was 1:59
where I live) ETM wrote and spread these wise comments on "Changing
both sender & replyto -- interested in the PGP reference":


> I am a new user.  What is this PGP business that is so noticeable in the
> below message?  Is it deliberately invoked?

Elaine,

PGP is a program, used to digitally sign your messages. It works with
keys (the letters and numbers you see at the end of the message) to
ensure that the message is indeed from the sender. With PGP you can
check if mail has been tampered with, encrypt your messages,

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=
public key directly: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x85840713
=

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Re: Changing both sender & replyto -- interested in the PGP reference

[ETM]

I am a new user.  What is this PGP business that is so noticeable in the
below message?  Is it deliberately invoked?

Elaine

- Original Message -
From: "David Elliott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "AO on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: Changing both sender & replyto


> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hello AO


> '
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32)
> Comment: GnuPG Signed, sealed, delivered.
>
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> VGVTXOd6ZSqXNTVTUyeV3g==
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Re: Folder Columns

[Jan Rifkinson]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 at 08:05 GMT +0200 (1/5/2002 1:05 AM
where I live) "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [Costas] wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] re: 'Folder Columns':

,- [Costas]
| In  short  (I'm  writing this mostly for my benefit)
| all  folders  with  the  "Use  the  account  column
| default settings"  ticked  in  Folder  Properties
| behave in the same way. If I want  a  specific  folder
| to  have  different settings, then I should untick the
| setting for that folder only.
'-

  I don't think I understand the above but maybe this
  will help you (as it did me):

  When TB! looks for a template, it first looks in the
  AB (address book) listing. If it finds nothing in the
  properties, TB! then looks to see if there is a
  template you want to use in Group properties.

  If TB! doesn't encounter a template there, it looks
  in folder properties. And if there is nothing there,
  it uses the account default templates.

  At each level you can designate a special template
  you want to use but be careful not to assign more
  than one template otherwise TB! gets confused.

  If this is not clear, take a look @ any AB entry or
  Group or Folder or Account 'New Message', 'Reply',
  tabs. In each case, there is an option to 'Use this
  template..."

  If this is something you already understand, my
  apologies for not realizing it.

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Re: HTML email's will not show content?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Hi Ottar,

On 05 January 2002 at 00:39:27 [GMT+0100] (which was 23:39 where I
live) Ottar Grimstad wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these
points:

>   I agree that plain text is the best for most emails, but rich text
>   is out there, and _sometimes_ it can be nice to have the
>   possibility.

I know what you're saying. I'll never (and I mean never) use it
myself, but I can see the requirement.

>   If it is beeing made available with v2, then I will for 99% stick
>   to plain text anyway, but I think it will be nice, not sad, to
>   have the possibility the few times I need it.

"Sadly" is about how many people go over the top as soon as they get
their hands on rich text formatting. Suddenly everyone's sending HTML
mails (and it is HTML mail we're talking about here, not merely RTF,
which is at the same time both a proprietary and a widely variant
standard). That's sad - I'd rather it didn't have to be encouraged.

At the same time, as I say, I see the need.

The even bigger need here is the need to get a tick in the "features"
column in comparative reviews. That one I can't argue with, not for
one second .

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Re: HTML email's will not show content?

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Marck,

5 Jan 2002, 22:37:40, you wrote to TBUDL:

>> Love to be able to compose rich text e-mails as well.

MDP> This probably will be. Sadly from my POV, but there you are.

  I know you are going to stop this discussion as a moderator soon, as
  it has been a recurring theme, but you started:

  I agree that plain text is the best for most emails, but rich text
  is out there, and _sometimes_ it can be nice to have the
  possibility. If it is beeing made available with v2, then I will for
  99% stick to plain text anyway, but I think it will be nice, not
  sad, to have the possibility the few times I need it.

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Re: Threading (was Re: Folder Columns)

[David van Zuijlekom]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Andrew,

On 5 Jan 2002 at 21:54:06 +0100, Andrew Aronoff [AA] wrote concerning
'Threading (was Re: Folder Columns)':
...
AA> Yes, I'm on digest. That's the way I prefer to configure all my
AA> mailing lists. It never caused a problem... until now.

No it's not a real problem, but when I was reading some posts I
thought that a had a solution to the problem. But I didn't take the
time to think it over.

AA> If there's some information that I should add manually to my
AA> message so that it threads correctly, please let me know.

No I don't think there is a way to this unless there is a way to
obtain the headers information or if the server would have
MIME-digest.

AA> If there's no way to obtain correct threading the way I'm
AA> currently doing it, I'll unsub from the digest and elect to
AA> receive individual messages.

Like Peter already mentioned if you prefer digest I'm the last one to
say you should switch to individual messages.

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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[Sam]

 Would going to Options/Preferences/Applications and checking the .eml
 box and maybe clicking on Associate Now change the settings for .eml
 to The Bat?

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> Not that I'm aware of. .msg could be somehow important, as this is the
> file type an attachment of content type "message/rfc-822" get's
> silently 'converted' to, but .eml I've never seen except for messages
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Palm Success

[Joseph N.]

Success achieved loading my TB! messages and their attachments onto a
Palm m125.

First of all, thanks much to Britt Malka, who focused me on Tim
Musson's entries in the Silverstones FAQ.  And, though I don't know if
he tunes in to this list, thanks to Tim Musson.  Here's what I did and
what worked, didn't work.

1.  First, my setup:  PC with AMD K-6; Palm m125.  I Palm Desktop
(ver. 4.0.1) loaded but don't use it.  I have Intellisync (ver. 5.02)
as my primary conduit.  I also have the Windows Add-On Kit for DataViz
Documents-To-Go.  The Add-On Kit allows PDF files to go to the Palm,
as well as Outlook mail messages *along with* their attachments
(assuming one has ver. 4.0 of Documents-To-Go, which is a version
upgrade from what came bundled with many Palms).

2.  I don't know if this sequence matters, but prior to installing the
Add-On Kit, I set my HotSync/Custom/Mail to Eudora, but nothing
happened.  I don't know whether simply installing the Add-On Kit would
have done the trick, but I highly doubt it.  After installing it, I
went into the FAQ and read the entry on the sync.ini file.

3.  My c:\Palm\"user"\sync.ini file had, under "[Mail]" only
"WarnedUnconfigured=1"  I don't know what that means or what system
Tim Musson has, but I changed the file to read exactly as his sync.ini
file.

4.  When I next HotSynced, it was the DataViz Email conduit that
handled the mail.  This was a surprise, but it turned out to be
critical.  Not only did all of my mail download onto the Palm, but,
because it went through DataViz, my attachments all came through also,
linked to the mail message and viewable/editable in Documents-To-Go.

5.  The many messages in custom folders in TB! (such as
\Clients\"Client Name") did not get into the Palm.  Only my Inbox
went.  Perhaps if I had some in the Outbox they would have gone, also,
but I don't know.

The good news is that TB! inbox messages move.  The bad news is that
the process does not have the automation of Outlook-related
applications.  It's necessary to mess with the configuration files.

If anyone has an explanation of Musson's .ini lines and the conditions
under which the specific entries might have to be changed, please send
it to this list.

JN


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Re: HTML email's will not show content?

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On 05 January 2002 at 16:29:48 [GMT-0500] (which was 21:29 where I
live) Kenneth S. Rhee wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these
points:

MDP>> It is understood that TB V2 may eventually provide an option
MDP>> thatwill cover this.

> Am I wrong that we've been waiting for this for a long time?

To an extent, yes. Many of the v2 features have already put in an
appearance. Most of the remainder are in the latest beta.

> Love to be able to read Japanese/Korean/Chinese characters

This is not going to part of the early v2 release.

> Love to be able to compose rich text e-mails as well.

This probably will be. Sadly from my POV, but there you are.

> Hopefully in year 2002???

Q1 is the current release schedule. Let's hope that the beta goes
well.

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Re[2]: Keyboard navigation

[syv]

On Saturday, January 05, 2002 , Jan Rifkinson wrote the
following in regards to: [Keyboard navigation]



+--
JR> Hello syv.

JR> At 10:12 PM on Friday, January 04, 2002 you wrote the
JR> following on the posted subject 'Keyboard navigation':

syv>> These are the kind of things that make sure that TB is not
syv>> commercial success!

JR>   Just curious: how do you conclude this is a fact?
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already sold 14 copies to customers of mine, once I
demonstrate to them the mass mailing feature and no IE HTML
which make it much more difficult to get a virus.

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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Sam,

On 5 Jan 2002 at 22:17:01 you wrote (at least in part):

S>  Would going to Options/Preferences/Applications and checking the .eml
S>  box and maybe clicking on Associate Now change the settings for .eml
S>  to The Bat?

It will. But there's a problem with this at Gerard's site as his
system seems to stick with a kind of permanent amnesia and so we were
looking for others ways telling the system .eml is associated with The
Bat! :-)
Nevertheless we appreciate your effort and comment and encourage you
to continue this as we all participate from every single piece of
shared knowledge about The Bat! :-)

Have a nice afternoon over there

Pit
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Re[2]: HTML email's will not show content?

[Kenneth S. Rhee]

Hello Marck,

5 Jan 2002, 3:58:30 PM, you wrote:

MDP> It is understood that TB V2 may eventually provide an option that
MDP>will cover this.

Am I wrong that we've been waiting for this for a long time?

Love to be able to read Japanese/Korean/Chinese characters

Love to be able to compose rich text e-mails as well.

I don't use those features everyday, but I do occasionally . . .

Well, all those were promised awhile back.

Hopefully in year 2002???

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Re[4]: Palm

[Ray]

I have been trying, for what feels like forever, to get TB! to sync my
messages to my Palm. Can't do it. I've set up the HotSync as if its
Eudora, but it still won't work. What we need is a conduit for TB!,
but I don't think one exists as of yet.


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> lørdag, den 5. januar 2002, kl. 18:31 skrev du:


JN>> Doesn't work.

> I have now re-found the link I used and it works with Palm m505.

> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/howdoi.html


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Re: HTML email's will not show content?

[Pete]

Hello Neal,

5 Jan 2002, 22:43:59, you wrote:


N> I'm sorry, but can't make heads or tails out of the "FAQ" page, I
N> think the FAQ page needs it's own FAQ page.

N> I was lucky to even figure out how to find the mail-list.

Welcome to the club...


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Re: HTML email's will not show content?

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Hi Neal,

On 05 January 2002 at 13:43:59 [GMT-0700] (which was 20:43 where I
live) Neal wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

>> This topic is dealt with on the FAQ web site. Please refer to
>>  for more information.

> I'm sorry, but can't make heads or tails out of the "FAQ" page, I
> think the FAQ page needs it's own FAQ page.

> I was lucky to even figure out how to find the mail-list.

:-).

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Messages.html#3E will take you to
the relevant entry.

It says:

   The Bat! does not download images that are not sent with the
   message.

   It is widely considered that this is a good thing. The downloading
   of images should be the job of a browser and it can become a
   security problem when that functionality is given to an off-line
   email reader.

   The work-around if you really want to see these images is to
   double-click on the HTML attachment to view it in its full gory
   (sic) in your favourite web browser.

   It is understood that TB V2 may eventually provide an option that
   will cover this.

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Re: Threading (was Re: Folder Columns)

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Andrew,

On 5 Jan 2002 at 21:54:06 you wrote (at least in part):

AA> If there's some information that I should add manually to my message
AA> so that it threads correctly, please let me know.

There is, but you can't get this information neither from online
archive nor from the digest: the message id of the mail you're
referring to ...

AA> If there's no way to obtain correct threading the way I'm
AA> currently doing it, I'll unsub from the digest and elect to
AA> receive individual messages.

That would make some people a little more happy, likely.
But I don't know if this is really necessary. If you prefer digest
mode this will be for good reasons.
If you OTOH nevertheless read every message in online archive it might
be in fact easier to subscribe normally and as a side effect you'd
participate in the 'correct threading effect' too :-)

Ciao Pit
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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Gerard,

On 5 Jan 2002 at 21:38:39 you wrote (at least in part):

 
GdV>  I know al this, I was just trying to explain that it is weird that 2
GdV>  programs are fighting over a file type that's not even present on my
GdV>  system. Is this filetype used by TB in any way?

Not that I'm aware of. .msg could be somehow important, as this is the
file type an attachment of content type "message/rfc-822" get's
silently 'converted' to, but .eml I've never seen except for messages
exported from OE (what you're not using, you stated).

GdV>  BTW if you go to explorer|tools|folder options|file types you can
GdV>  delete the association with the EML file type and then enter it again
GdV>  and associate this with any program. Without even having a file on your
GdV>  system.

Yes ... but that's more steps than creating an empty file with correct
ending, right click it, choose 'Properties' and change 'Opens with:'
*GGG* and I'm one of the lazy fraction, that's why I try to don'ttouch
my mouse if not necessary :-) (wasn't this a parallel thread on this
list: about mice guys and keyboard freaks? *g*)
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Re[2]: Keyboard navigation

[Joe Finocchiaro]

Saturday, January 05, 2002, 2:05:07 PM, you wrote:

> Hello syv.

> At 10:12 PM on Friday, January 04, 2002 you wrote the
> following on the posted subject 'Keyboard navigation':

syv>> These are the kind of things that make sure that TB is not
syv>> commercial success!

>   Just curious: how do you conclude this is a fact?

I think this falls into the realm of common sense, Jan.

Probably no one likes TB! more than myself --now-- but it's a very
hard program to learn how to use well.  So many of TB!s best
"features" are totally undocumented, making it extremely hard for most
novices to realize/discover all of the many neat things they can do
with it that they can't do with any other e-mail program out there.

Many folks just give up in frustration, like I almost did.
Fortunately, I'm as stubborn as I am stupid. My own initial
frustration was ameliorated *only* by the patience and assistance of
many members of *this* mail list, especially the moderators. Without
it/them, I'd have long ago chucked TB! into that giant waste bin in
the sky.

>From day one, I've said that the most important person missing from
the great TB! team was a great technical writer.

I still believe that.

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Re: Threading (was Re: Folder Columns)

[Andrew Aronoff]

Hi David,

DvZ> I guess when replying to a particular message you start a new
DvZ> message using the new message button.

Yes, I'm on digest. That's the way I prefer to configure all my
mailing lists. It never caused a problem... until now.

If I'm particularly interested in a thread, though, I don't wait for
the digest. I come to the web archive and compose a reply, using the
same title and referring to the right person. That's the way all of my
messages have been posted so far here. IOW, I haven't used the digest
yet to post a message.

If there's some information that I should add manually to my message
so that it threads correctly, please let me know. If there's no way to
obtain correct threading the way I'm currently doing it, I'll unsub
from the digest and elect to receive individual messages.

Thanks for letting me know about this problem and TIA for your help.

regards, Andy

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Re: HTML email's will not show content?

[Neal]

Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
> 
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> 
> Hi Neal,
> 
> On 05 January 2002 at 13:12:51 [GMT-0700] (which was 20:12 where I
> live) Neal wrote to tbudl and made these points:
> 
> > I think I have settings correct, but HTML content in emails is shown
> > as "!"?
> 
> Your settings are correct. This is all TB will show of out-of-line
> images, and rightly so.
> 
> This topic is dealt with on the FAQ web site. Please refer to
>  for more information.
> 
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I'm sorry, but can't make heads or tails out of the "FAQ" page, I think
the FAQ page
needs it's own FAQ page.

I was lucky to even figure out how to find the mail-list.

Neal


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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[Gerard de Vries]

 
ON Saturday, January 05, 2002, 9:29:46 PM, you wrote:

Peter> Hello Gerard,

Peter> On 5 Jan 2002 at 21:10:52 you wrote (at least in part):

GdV>>  I can't do that because I don't have any EML files on my system.

Peter> That's quite easy to solve ...
Peter> Longer way: export a message from The Bat! and name it ending with
Peter> '.eml'
Peter> Shorter way: right click on your desktop, choose 'New' / 'Text
Peter> Document' and rename it to 'whatever.eml'. You got an '.eml' file :-)
Peter> That's all what counts, don't care about this file not beeing a valid
Peter> one, Windows will associate it nevertheless on your request (as the
Peter> other Peter described) :-)


Hi Peter,

 I know al this, I was just trying to explain that it is weird that 2
 programs are fighting over a file type that's not even present on my
 system. Is this filetype used by TB in any way?

 BTW if you go to explorer|tools|folder options|file types you can
 delete the association with the EML file type and then enter it again
 and associate this with any program. Without even having a file on your
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Re: Threading (was Re: Folder Columns)

[David van Zuijlekom]

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Hello David,

On 5 Jan 2002 at 21:05:10 +0100, David van Zuijlekom [DVZ] wrote
concerning 'Threading (was Re: Folder Columns)':
...
DvZ> No there is one work-around for this; I guess when replying to a
DvZ> particular message you start a new message using the new message
DvZ> button. Now when you enable 'follow-up to' in the pull-down menu
DvZ> 'View' in the editor you can copy the message-id of the message
DvZ> you are replying to. You can do this by pressing Ctrl+Shift+K in
DvZ> the message you're replying to and look for the 'message-id'
DvZ> header and copy it to the follow up header panel in the editor.

Forget this. This is ofcourse not going to work, because you get one
message with all the messages of the list of one day. I'm sorry for
this misunderstanding. ;-)

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Re: HTML email's will not show content?

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Hi Neal,

On 05 January 2002 at 13:12:51 [GMT-0700] (which was 20:12 where I
live) Neal wrote to tbudl and made these points:

> I think I have settings correct, but HTML content in emails is shown
> as "!"?

Your settings are correct. This is all TB will show of out-of-line
images, and rightly so.

This topic is dealt with on the FAQ web site. Please refer to
 for more information.

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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Gerard,

On 5 Jan 2002 at 21:10:52 you wrote (at least in part):

GdV>  I can't do that because I don't have any EML files on my system.

That's quite easy to solve ...
Longer way: export a message from The Bat! and name it ending with
'.eml'
Shorter way: right click on your desktop, choose 'New' / 'Text
Document' and rename it to 'whatever.eml'. You got an '.eml' file :-)
That's all what counts, don't care about this file not beeing a valid
one, Windows will associate it nevertheless on your request (as the
other Peter described) :-)
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HTML email's will not show content?

[Neal]

I think I have settings correct, but HTML content in emails is shown as
"!"?

Neal


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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[Gerard de Vries]

 
ON Saturday, January 05, 2002, 5:42:40 PM, you wrote:

Peter> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Peter> Hash: SHA1

Peter> On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:39:50 +0100GMT (which was 11:39 +0100GMT where I
Peter> live), Gerard de Vries thought about "Removing Microsoft Outlook from
Peter> the system" and wrote:

GdV>>  Somehow MS Outlook keeps associating itself with files from type EML.
GdV>>  I do not use Outlook and I have TB associate itself with EML files each
GdV>>  time. I guess the best way would be to remove Outlook al together, but
GdV>>  I cant find it in the add/remove program option.

GdV>>  Does anyone know what I can do about this behavior, or how to remove
GdV>>  Outlook al together?

Peter> Hi Gerard,

Peter> I have Outlook Express still installed, but the .eml extension is
Peter> associated to TB!. AFAIR, I deleted the key for .eml in the registry
Peter> (HKEY CLASSES ROOT). Then I double-clicked an .eml file and was asked
Peter> which application to use. But then, I don't know if this works in Win2k,
Peter> as I'm still on 98.

Hi Peter,

 I can't do that because I don't have any EML files on my system.
 I did remove the EML extension. I will see if that helps.


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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[Gerard de Vries]

 
ON Saturday, January 05, 2002, 1:22:36 PM, you wrote:

David> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
David> Hash: SHA1

David> Greetings Gerard

David> On 05 January 2002 at 11:39:50 +0100 (which was 10:39 where I live) Gerard
David> de Vries graced us with these comments

GdV>>  I have a little problem.
GdV>>  Somehow MS Outlook keeps associating itself with files from type EML.
GdV>>  I do not use Outlook and I have TB associate itself with EML files each
GdV>>  time. I guess the best way would be to remove Outlook al together, but
GdV>>  I cant find it in the add/remove program option.

GdV>>  Does anyone know what I can do about this behavior, or how to remove
GdV>>  Outlook al together?

David> I to have had this problem. In my case my OS is win2K Server and a one of the
David> services re-registers EML files this every time I start my LapTop.


Hi David,

 I use Win2000 Professional and its OE doing the re-registering.

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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[Gerard de Vries]

 
ON Saturday, January 05, 2002, 12:54:31 PM, you wrote:

Roelof> Hello Gerard,

Roelof> On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:39:50 +0100GMT (5-1-02, 11:39 +0100GMT, where I
Roelof> live), you wrote:

GdV>>  Somehow MS Outlook keeps associating itself with files from type EML.

Roelof> Exit TB
Roelof> Open your browser
Roelof> Set Outlook Express as the default mail editor
Roelof> Close your browser
Roelof> Open TB
Roelof> TB should start to bugger you about default settings and file
Roelof> associations.

Hi Roelof,

Tried that, same result OE keeps taking the EML file, without me using
OE I should add.

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Re: Keyboard navigation

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello syv.

At 10:12 PM on Friday, January 04, 2002 you wrote the
following on the posted subject 'Keyboard navigation':

syv> These are the kind of things that make sure that TB is not
syv> commercial success!

  Just curious: how do you conclude this is a fact?

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Threading (was Re: Folder Columns)

[David van Zuijlekom]

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Hello Andrew,

On 5 Jan 2002 at 20:07:03 +0100, Andrew Aronoff [AA] wrote concerning
'Folder Columns':

All your replies become unthreaded and that's most likely because you
receive this list as digest. Because most users on this list thread by
references your replies messes up the threading. This is because your
messages doesn't contain the 'In reply-To:' and 'References:' headers.

No there is one work-around for this; I guess when replying to a
particular message you start a new message using the new message
button. Now when you enable 'follow-up to' in the pull-down menu
'View' in the editor you can copy the message-id of the message you
are replying to. You can do this by pressing Ctrl+Shift+K in the
message you're replying to and look for the 'message-id' header and
copy it to the follow up header panel in the editor.

This way your messages become threaded! ;-)

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Re: New message from Favourites & Memo in saved file

[Sam]

After the last discussion, I downloaded v1.53t.  It is located on the
Beta Testers download.  I have not looked at the German download site.
The version 1.53t on the Beta site is in English.

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Re: Folder Columns

[Andrew Aronoff]

Hi Costas,

CP> It took me a l o n g time to understand it. In short (I'm writing
CP> this mostly for my benefit)

Mine, too. I've been following this thread and didn't understand what
"default column settings" meant until you explained it. In fact, the
checkbox might better read, "Use shared column settings".

CP> all folders with the "Use the account column default settings"
CP> ticked in Folder Properties behave in the same way. If I want a
CP> specific folder to have different settings, then I should untick
CP> the setting for that folder only.

IMHO, the program should do the reverse. Folder columns should use
shared settings _unless_ a box is checked.

regards, Andy

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Re: New message from Favourites & Memo in saved file

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Andrew,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:42:15 +0100GMT (5-1-02, 17:42 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

AA> Do you send yourself BCC copies using the account template or an
AA> address book template? I'm having problems with the latter, not the

Doesn't matter how I create a new message. When I'm usding an address
book template a BCC is inserted just as easy as when I'm using a
folder template.

AA> If you're using version 1.53d, have you tried that?

That's the one I'm using.

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Re[2]: Replication

[Joe Finocchiaro]

Friday, January 04, 2002, 10:13:42 PM, you wrote:

> @ 18:37:27 -0600 [ Fri, 4 Jan 2002], Joe Finocchiaro [JF] wrote these
> words of wisdom:
> ...
JF>> Yep.  That's the kind of guy I am.  I'm a Button Guy.

JF>> Let the Programmers do the programming, and let the Button Guys push
JF>> the buttons.

JF>> It's called progress.

> That I can agree with. The synchronisation process should really
> ideally ask the user where the source and target installations are and
> then do everything after that.

No, ideally the user shouldn't be asked to do anything but push the
button.

:)

JF>> That why Windows is in, and DOS is out.

JF>> I'm also a Mouse Guy, rather than a Keyboard Guy.

> Your loss there. :-)

Allie, it it weren't for mouses and GUIs, I wouldn't even own a
computer, much less two of them.

Neither would, oh, perhaps 1 billion other people.

> Note that I'd rather press a button than go through the exercise that
> I explained. Why? It would be easier.

See?  We're not so different.

> However I don't wish to use the mouse too much, especially when
> editing. Why? The mouse isn't quick enough and can actually make you
> do more.

Allie, there's just no way that I could memorize all those keyboard
"shortcuts" and commands.  Okay, maybe I could if I really worked at
it everyday, but I'm nothing if not lazy. Yes, I do use a few keyboard
shortcuts, like CNRL-C, CRTL-V, etc. but they're universal in nature,
and somewhat intuitive.

And with just a wdel mouse and some INTUITIVE GUI software, I (and
about 1 billion others) can get by.

Bill Gates became the richest man in the world because he knew there
were a lot of Mouse Guys and Button Guys just like me out there.

He probably used to hang out in saloons.

JF>> Mouse Guys and Button Guys hang out together in saloons, but
JF>> Programmers and Keyboard Guys hang out together in coffee shops
JF>> (e.g., Starbucks).

> :-)

> Just today I was with one of my colleagues helping him with the
> editing of his research paper. He was extremely grateful to me when I
> showed him what the CTRL-A, CTRL-Home, CTRL-End, End and Home keys
> did. :-) He was glad to stop using the mouse to do the same things.
> You must realize that he hangs out in saloons, right? 

Mouse Guys and Button Guys are always extremely grateful for any help
that anyone provides to us -- because we always need a lot it.

But the time will come when your friend will revert back to his old
Button Guy or Mouse Guy habits.  He won't be writing a research paper
forever, and as soon as he stops and doesn't need to use those
commands for awhile, he'll probably forget them.

Why?

Because all the booze that he drinks in all those saloons will
eventually kill enough of his brain cells that he will no longer be
able to remember the difference between a CTRL-A and a CTRL-X...
...or, God forbid, a CTRL-ALT-DEL.

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Re: New message from Favourites & Memo in saved file

[Andrew Aronoff]

Hi Thomas,

TF> It definitely is 1.53t on the German TB website www.batmail.de

1.53d is the version offered at the English site:

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html

and the following German-language site:

http://www.ritlabs.com/de/the_bat/download.html

I assume that 1.53d is the current production version in English.

TF> I will try that on Monday and let you know.

Please remember to start a new message by clicking on one of the
favourites in the drop-down box just to the right of the "Create a new
message" button. That favourite should have a %BCC entry in the New
message tab of its address book entry and "Use a specific template for
new messages" on that tab should be checked.

regards, Andy

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Re[3]: Palm

[Britt Malka]

Hello Joseph,

lørdag, den 5. januar 2002, kl. 18:31 skrev du:


JN> Doesn't work.

I have now re-found the link I used and it works with Palm m505.

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/howdoi.html




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Dealing with TBUDL List Volume using GMX

[Randy Burns]

I thought I would share my technique for pre-filtering TBUDL 
messages (getting just the original questions sent to my standard email
account, without so many reply messages).

I filter-out the replys, and just send the original question emails 
to my standard email server. 
Then, if the topic is interesting, which most are, I can go find all the
replies on that topic.



My TBUDL messages go to a free GMX (web) email account
( http://www35.gmx.net/v4/login?LANG=uk ), where I use 
these filters (below).

Messages with "Re: " or "Re[2]: " are stored locally, and others 
are forwarded to my standard email account (to give me a heads-up 
on current topics on TBUDL).

USING:

Options / Mailbox / Forwarding / Paging

ORDERED FILTERS:

RULE / ACTIVE / CONDITION(S) / ACTION(S)



*batre2* / YES / Subject contains "Re[2]: " 
/ Save in: Batbox --- Stop rules processing here  
 
*bat* / YES / Any field contains "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" AND 
Subject does not contain "Re: " 
/ Forward to: STANDARD EMAIL (READ WITH THE BAT) --- Stop rules processing
here  
 
*batre* / YES / Any field contains "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
/ Save in: Batbox --- Stop rules processing here  



Best to all,
Randy


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Re: Different settings for various SMTP servers..

[David Elliott]

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Salutation Han

On 05 January 2002 at 11:42:56 +0100 (which was 10:42 where I live) Han
Thomas wrote and made these points

HT> Currently I'm manually changing SMTP server settings for my 3 mail accounts
HT> twice a day; in the morning at the office and then in the evening at home.

HT> Is there a better way to do this?

I use x-ray.

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OT: EMailoholic (was: Changing both sender & replyto)

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Thomas,

On 5 Jan 2002 at 16:02:36 you wrote (at least in part):

TF> Any one of us who reads less than 300 emails a day suffers from
TF> withdrawal. Apparently, you prefer to have a life instead...

Full-ACK.

My girlfriends prefers I have a life instead ... *GGG*
But I still can withstand her wishes, anathemas and curses *LoL*
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Re: Secure Connection (SSL) with TB

[Thomas F]

Hello Gerd,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:16:28 +0100 GMT (06/01/2002, 01:16 +0800 GMT),
Gerd Ewald wrote:

GE> Oh, please, Thomas!! The visitor was involved in the
GE> choco-deal ;-) 

LOL! You may get up then. It was a noble person you extended your
hospitality to, and you are forgiven. Thanks again, by the way. :-)

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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Gerard de Vries,

On Saturday, January 05 2002 at 02:39 AM PDT, you wrote:

>  Does anyone know what I can do about this behavior, or how to remove
>  Outlook al together?

I realise that you are referring to Outlook Express and not Outlook, and
one thing you can try to remove OE is to remove the Windows Address Book
from your System by Control Panel/Add-Remove/Windows Setup. OE requires
the WAB and without it, Win 98 at least will offer to remove OE as well.


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Re[2]: Palm

[Joseph N.]

Doesn't work.

I have a Palm m125, and on top of the Palm Desktop conduit I have
installed Intellisync.  Intellisync transfers email, but not Eudora,
only Groupwise, MS Outlook, MS Exchange, Notes 4.x, and Notes R5. None
of those settings would stick, because Intellisync knows that my
system doesn't have the correct files.  In the Palm setup, I
configured Mail for Eudora 3.01 and higher, the only applicable
choice, and set HotSync to synchronize the Palm and the desktop.

No synchronization occurred.  The log said that there was one message
synched and that the synch failed, but no message was actually
transferred anywhere.

Is this a failure of the system itself because it's not looking for
.TBB files?

Is it a failure of configuration because my .TBB files are not located
at the default (Program Files/The Bat!) location?

I'd like to stick with The Bat!  But I'd like to have my mail on my
Palm, too  Any ideas out there?

JN


 Britt Malka wrote on Saturday, January 05, 2002:

> Hej Joseph,

> lørdag, den 5. januar 2002, kl. 15:00 skrev du:


JN>> Is there a way to use any of the email applications for the Palm OS
JN>> with TB!?  I want to use the Palm for email messages; my concern is
JN>> not the address book.

> Yes, you can. You should just install Palm e-mail support as if you
> are using Eudora.


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Re: Secure Connection (SSL) with TB

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Hello Thomas F !

  
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:49:11 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was 05.01.2002, 03:49 (GMT+0100) where I live, you wrote:

[...]

GE>> Sorry for being so late, but I had visitors and was busy all the time!

> I must think about whether I can accept your apology or not. ;-)

Oh, please, Thomas!! The visitor was involved in the
choco-deal ;-) 

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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

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On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:39:50 +0100GMT (which was 11:39 +0100GMT where I
live), Gerard de Vries thought about "Removing Microsoft Outlook from
the system" and wrote:

GdV>  Somehow MS Outlook keeps associating itself with files from type EML.
GdV>  I do not use Outlook and I have TB associate itself with EML files each
GdV>  time. I guess the best way would be to remove Outlook al together, but
GdV>  I cant find it in the add/remove program option.

GdV>  Does anyone know what I can do about this behavior, or how to remove
GdV>  Outlook al together?

Hi Gerard,

I have Outlook Express still installed, but the .eml extension is
associated to TB!. AFAIR, I deleted the key for .eml in the registry
(HKEY CLASSES ROOT). Then I double-clicked an .eml file and was asked
which application to use. But then, I don't know if this works in Win2k,
as I'm still on 98.

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Re: New message from Favourites & Memo in saved file

[Thomas F]

Hello Andrew,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:42:15 +0100 GMT (06/01/2002, 00:42 +0800 GMT),
Andrew Aronoff wrote:

AA> I don't know the version numbering system very well for The Bat! -- do
AA> you mean version 1.53d?

No, I mean 1.53t. I don't now why 1.53d is still declared the latest
official version at the Ritlabs page. It definitely is 1.53t on the
German TB website www.batmail.de .

AA> Do you send yourself BCC copies using the account template or an
AA> address book template?

Account template.

AA> I'm having problems with the latter, not the former. I have no
AA> problem getting the account New message template to send BCC's. I
AA> *do* have a problem getting BCC's sent if the message is started
AA> by clicking on the "Create a new message" drop-down box in the
AA> main toolbar.

AA> If you're using version 1.53d, have you tried that?

No, I will try that on Monday and let you know.

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Re: SMTP question

[Gerd Ewald]

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On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:01:41 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 05.01.2002, 18:01 (GMT+0100) where I live, you wrote:

[...]

> "Warning: there were no compatible authentication mechanisms detected."

> Does it mean, that this particular ISP doesn't check SMTP
> authentication? Or what else could it be?

No, Peter, the ISP may check authentication, but not with that
protocoll you checked in TB. As far as I understood the whole thing,
your SMTP-Transport setting is not compatible with that the ISP uses.
E.g.: you have checked RFC 2554 authentication and this is not
supported by your ISP.

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Re: Different settings for various SMTP servers..

[Joseph N.]

1.  Set up separate accounts, each with the SMTP server settings you
want.

2.  Group the accounts together (I think it's under Options/Network,
if you've logged on to TB! with administrator privileges), so you only
have one username (and password, if applicable).

3.  Then just send from each account as you desire, without resetting
anything.  If you want to check all accounts for incoming mail
simultaneously (almost), use alt-F2.

You didn't mention your POP3 settings, but if your mail comes in to
different servers and you want to consolidate it, you could do so
across accounts within the same group by using filters.

JN


 Han Thomas wrote on Saturday, January 05, 2002:


> Currently I'm manually changing SMTP server settings for my 3 mail accounts
> twice a day; in the morning at the office and then in the evening at home.

> Is there a better way to do this?

> I know I can log into Windows as a different user (I use Win2K) and get
> different settings, but I really don't want to keep my settings (and
> filters, cookies, templates) current in two locations. (Not just for The
> Bat but other programs as well; I don't want to log on as a different user
> at home) That would be even more work than changing SMTP settings twice a
> day.

> Thanks!!
> Han.

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Re: New message from Favourites & Memo in saved file

[Andrew Aronoff]

Hi Thomas,

TF> FWIW I use v1.53t in the office, and I send myself a BCC copy of
TF> each message that I send from any of my private accounts

I don't know the version numbering system very well for The Bat! -- do
you mean version 1.53d?

Do you send yourself BCC copies using the account template or an
address book template? I'm having problems with the latter, not the
former. I have no problem getting the account New message template to
send BCC's. I *do* have a problem getting BCC's sent if the message is
started by clicking on the "Create a new message" drop-down box in the
main toolbar.

If you're using version 1.53d, have you tried that?

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SMTP question

[Peter Meyns]

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Hi fellows,

Since I found out how to maximise the Connection Centre, I have been
looking at it from time to time. For one account, when sending a
message, there appears (for a short time):

"Warning: there were no compatible authentication mechanisms detected."

Does it mean, that this particular ISP doesn't check SMTP
authentication? Or what else could it be?

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Re: Palm

[Britt Malka]

Hej Joseph,

lørdag, den 5. januar 2002, kl. 15:00 skrev du:


JN> Is there a way to use any of the email applications for the Palm OS
JN> with TB!?  I want to use the Palm for email messages; my concern is
JN> not the address book.

Yes, you can. You should just install Palm e-mail support as if you
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Different settings for various SMTP servers..

[Han Thomas]

Currently I'm manually changing SMTP server settings for my 3 mail accounts
twice a day; in the morning at the office and then in the evening at home.

Is there a better way to do this?

I know I can log into Windows as a different user (I use Win2K) and get
different settings, but I really don't want to keep my settings (and
filters, cookies, templates) current in two locations. (Not just for The
Bat but other programs as well; I don't want to log on as a different user
at home) That would be even more work than changing SMTP settings twice a
day.

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I hope you can read this one

[Britt Malka]

Hej Morten,

lørdag, den 5. januar 2002, kl. 14:35 skrev du:

M> your charset is koi8-r, is that right? (a .dk person using a .ru
M> charset?)

No, it is not right, but I couldn't find where it was set to that. In
account - properties - templates - New it is set to Latin something,
and I haven't got a speciel template for this folder or group.

M> and perhaps you have base64 encoding set? (account properties,
M> transport, '8-bit characters are treated').

Exactly! Thank you.

M> i've had this problem before, and it was that setting that got set.
M> (not by me, by the elves that house in your computer :) set it to
M> 'quoted-printable'.

Yes, and we have had some of those elves too. Seriously... All of a
sudden properties were changed, but I guess this comes from playing
with betas :-)

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Re: Changing both sender & replyto

[Thomas F]

Hello Ottar,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:40:11 +0100 GMT (05/01/2002, 22:40 +0800 GMT),
Ottar Grimstad wrote:

OG> I am only member of two lists, this and a norwegian, and for
OG> language reasons it is not practical to share templates.

Oh, I use my English-language templates and my mixed English/German
cookies across lists of all languages. 

OG> But how do you cope with many lists in addition to work and music?

Set your priorities right and cut down on the work. ;-)

You may have seen that Marck is an emailaholic. Any one of us who
reads less than 300 emails a day suffers from withdrawal. Apparently,
you prefer to have a life instead...

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Re: Changing both sender & replyto

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Hi Ottar,

On 05 January 2002 at 15:40:11 [GMT+0100] (which was 14:40 where I
live) Ottar Grimstad wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these
points:

MDP>> Better yet, I have a "Lists" AB group with generic templates and
MDP>> some very useful macros to ensure that addressing and
MDP>> presentation is how it should be.

>   I am only member of two lists, this and a norwegian, and for
>   language reasons it is not practical to share templates. But how
>   do you cope with many lists in addition to work and music? Keeping
>   up with TBUDL seems a handful in itself, and as a moderator you
>   read and evaluate all messages?

"A man's gotta do " . Mostly I skim, keeping an eye for where I
can help out or where I need to jump in.

To be honest, it's the drama stuff that's overloading me right now.

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Re: Changing both sender & replyto

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Marck,

5 Jan 2002, 13:30:34, you wrote to TBUDL:

MDP> Better yet, I have a "Lists" AB group with generic templates and
MDP> some very useful macros to ensure that addressing and
MDP> presentation is how it should be.

  I am only member of two lists, this and a norwegian, and for
  language reasons it is not practical to share templates. But how do
  you cope with many lists in addition to work and music? Keeping up
  with TBUDL seems a handful in itself, and as a moderator you read
  and evaluate all messages?

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Re: New message from Favourites & Memo in saved file

[Thomas F]

Hello Andrew,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:08:51 +0100 GMT (05/01/2002, 22:08 +0800 GMT),
Andrew Aronoff wrote:

DVZ>> I can't reproduce this behaviour. Maybe you have a duplicate
DVZ>> entry in your addressbook of that particular contact.

AA> The entry has no duplicate and I obtain the same behavior for any
AA> address that I choose to make a Favourite.

AA> Also, we're not using the same version of TB! -- I'm using the latest
AA> production version.

FWIW I use v1.53t in the office, and I send myself a BCC copy of each
message that I send from any of my private accounts, so that I have a
copy in my message base when I check mail at home. The %BCC macro
works just fine.

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Re: automatic encryption of message file

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Thomas,

On 5 Jan 2002 at 03:45:00 you wrote (at least in part):

PP>> And I'm pretty sure this is quite impossible as The Bat! Standard
PP>> never supported this or a similar feature (encryption of message
PP>> base).

TF> I think you are mistaken here. I seem to remember that people
TF> complained that the encryption was not strong enough, and Ritlabs
TF> decided to not encrypt at all any more, so that people don't have a
TF> false sense of security.

OK. point taken. I forgot about the "early days" with a message base
stored in a proprietary format similar to the _idea_ of encryption :-)

Andy: I have to admit I was wrong. As Thomas stated there was
something like encryption (aeons ago, IIRC *ggg*) but for it's
weakness it was removed from The Bat! and is stronger than before
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Re: New message from Favourites & Memo in saved file

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Andrew,
On 5 Jan 2002 at 15:08:51 [GMT +0100], you wrote:

AA> I suspect the %BCC macro field is being ignored by TB! in this
AA> situation. Since David can not duplicate the problem, it _may_ have
AA> been eliminated. That would be nice to know.

I can't duplicate it either. The BCC field is filled correctly on my
system, no matter if I use the favourite drop down list or not.

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Re: New message from Favourites & Memo in saved file

[Andrew Aronoff]

Hi David & Raj,

AA> When I click on the "Create a new message" drop-down box and choose
AA> this Favourite, the message uses the template *except* for the BCC
AA> entry.

DVZ> I can't reproduce this behaviour. Maybe you have a duplicate
DVZ> entry in your addressbook of that particular contact.

The entry has no duplicate and I obtain the same behavior for any
address that I choose to make a Favourite.

Also, we're not using the same version of TB! -- I'm using the latest
production version.

Raj> Is this a problem with all AB entries or one particular.

It's a problem with all AB entries that have been designated as
Favourites (on the Edit Address Entry, Other tab, "Add this address to
the instant address (Favourite) pop-up menu" has been checked) and
that thus appear on the "Create a new message" drop-down box. These
Favourites have New message templates assigned with "Use specific
template for new messages" checked.

Interestingly, if I change the macro label in the New message template
from %BCC to %CC and click on the Create a new message drop-down box,
the e-mail address appears correctly in the CC field. This proves that
the new message is using the New message template from the AB and not
some other template. The anomaly only appears to affect the %BCC label
in the AB New message template.

When I set the New message template to the %BCC entry and send a
message, the address designated by the %BCC does _not_ receive a copy
of the message. This proves that this is not simply a display problem
-- the e-mail address is not present in the BCC field.

I suspect the %BCC macro field is being ignored by TB! in this
situation. Since David can not duplicate the problem, it _may_ have
been eliminated. That would be nice to know.

regards, Andy


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Re: Filter using addressbook

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Gerard,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:51:41 +0100GMT (5-1-02, 13:51 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:


Roelof>> When I check two Address Book Groups messages are only
Roelof>> triggered by Address Book entries that occur in both groups.

Roelof>> Reading your message leads me to believe that you expected NL
Roelof>> *or* UK, while the rule works as NL *and* UK.

GdV> You're right, that's exactly what I expected. So this bug is a
GdV> feature?

That's not how I'd call it, you just misunderstood how it works.

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Palm

[Joseph N.]

Is there a way to use any of the email applications for the Palm OS
with TB!?  I want to use the Palm for email messages; my concern is
not the address book.

JN


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Re: Export messages to Outlook and/or Outlook Express

[Eddie Castelli]

Dear Marck, 

 --->>> Marck D Pearlstone / Samstag, 05.01.2002, 14:39:41
Export messages to Outlook and/or Outlook Express


>>   Maybe, a server eat "Content-Transfer-Encoding:"?

> That's a good thought. Britt. Check the original message to see if
> it had it. The one you sent me off-list *did* have it.

> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

The msg from Britt at 13:08 arrived with "Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=ISO-8859-1" at my desk. 

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Re: Changing both sender & replyto

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Ottar,

On 05 January 2002 at 13:09:15 [GMT+0100] (which was 12:09 where I
live) Ottar Grimstad wrote to Roelof Otten and made these points:

OG> There is some danger in using folder templates. You may
OG> inadvertently direct private mail to the whole list.

Quite right!

OG> I prefer making address book entrys for every list I participate
OG> in. In properties for the address book entry you may specify
OG> seperate message template and reply templates for that list, and
OG> can include the necessary %FROM %TO and %REPLYTO macros in these
OG> templates.

Better yet, I have a "Lists" AB group with generic templates and some
very useful macros to ensure that addressing and presentation is how
it should be. A couple of the lists (esp. the TB lists where I am a
moderator) have custom templates to change my signature. Other lists
don't quite manage to set Reply-To, so these *do* need folder
templates :-(((.

Anyway, here's what I use, in case anyone's interested:

,- [ Lists Group reply template ]
| %QINCLUDE="TMIntro"%CURSOR%-
| %QUOTESTYLE="none"%-
| %QINCLUDE="Req"%-
| %QINCLUDE="LISTTO"
| --
| %QINCLUDE="soft"
`-

"TMINTRO" is the old "... where I live .. " macro with a twist - it
has added intelligence not to say that when replying to someone from
my own timezone.

"Req" is the RegEx Quoter which strips PGP sigs and adverts.

"LISTTO" is the name forming macro

,- [ LISTTO ]
| %TO=""%TO='"%OFROMNAME on %ABoreplyHANDLE=''%ABoreplyNAME''" <%OREPLYADDR>'
`-

Where a list has too long a name, I put an abbreviation in the AB
Handle field.

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Content-Transfer-Encoding stripped from mail

[Carsten Thönges]

Hi list, hi list admins,

"Content-Transfer-Encoding: ..."

seems to be cut from mails[1]. Is this a technical problem on the list
server?

I added "Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64" to Britt's Mail and got:

,- [ you wrote in base 64 ]
| lørdag, den 5. januar 2002, 11:56
| 
| Hello list,
| 
| I have a customer who wants to use The Bat! for him-self, but his
| co-workers uses Outlook and Outlook Express. When they are not at
| work, he would like to keep their messages in his system, and send
| them to them, when they come back.
| 
| I have tried helping him, but it seems that Outlook (both) cannot
| import msg-files.
| 
| Is there a way to solve this problem?
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Re: Export messages to Outlook and/or Outlook Express

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Maxim,

On 05 January 2002 at 15:17:25 [GMT+0200] (which was 13:17 where I
live) Maxim Masiutin wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these
points:

BM>>> ICB8X19fL198IHxffFxfX3xcX198X3wgIHxfXF9fLF98X3xfXF9cX18sX3wNCg0KDQoNCi4uLiBE
BM>>> ZXR0ZSBlciBza3JldmV0IGFmIGVnZW4gZnJpIHZpbGplLi4uc2lnZXIgbWluIG1hbmQhDQoNCg0K
BM>>> DQouLiB3d3cubWFsa2EuZGsgLi4u

MDP>> Oops! What happened there?

>   Maybe, a server eat "Content-Transfer-Encoding:"?

That's a good thought. Britt. Check the original message to see if it
had it. The one you sent me off-list *did* have it.

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

Hmmm. Others on the list have either "7bit" or "8bit". Not many have
base64. Okay, I found one from Günther Eisele and that one came
through just fine. I don't think its the list server doing it. I can
see Content-Transfer-Encoding: headers in some of today's postings.

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Re: Changing both sender & replyto

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi AO,

On 05 January 2002 at 12:10:55 [GMT+0100] (which was 11:10 where I
live) AO wrote to David Elliott and made these points:

D>> This QT is called from my address book templates so I don't even have to
D>> worry about calling it for most of my lists.

A> Sounds very smart, but i don't know about AB-templates. Could you
A> explain a little how you use it?

If you don't know about AB templates that means you are using Folder
templates. *Beware*.

I recommend the FAQ tutorials on these subjects:

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/templates.html
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html

The main thing about AB templates is that they are triggered when the
recipient address matches as opposed to which folder just happened to
be selected when you started your message. It's much more accurate.

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Re: Yes, I have a problem. I don't understand this. Have not seen thefaenomen in any other group or mail, I have written. Hey,there is a problem with the alphabet in my cookies too. I will try to figureout, what happened.

[Mrten]

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Om 14:04 op zaterdag 5 januari 2002, Britt Malka:

> SGVqIE1hcmNrLA0KDQps23JkYWcsIGRlbiA1LiBqYW51YXIgMjAwMiwga2wuIDEzOjMxIHNrcmV2
> IGR1Og0KDQpNRFA+IEFyZSB5b3UgaGF2aW5nIHNvbWUga2luZCBvZiBwcm9ibGVtPw0KDQoNCi0t
> IA0KDQpNZWQgdmVubGlnIGhpbHNlbg0KDQoNCg0KIHxcICAgIC98ICBfDQogfCBcX18vIHwgfF9f
> ICAgfCAgXyAgX3xvDQogXC8gICAgXC8gfChfKT48fF8oX3woX3x8DQogfCAgICAgIHwgIF9fXyAg
> ICAgXyBfICAgXyAgIF9fICBfXyAgICAgIF8gXw0KICBcXCAgLy8gIHwgXyApXyBfKF8pIHxffCB8
> X3wgIFwvICB8X18gX3wgfCB8X19fXyBfDQogICBcICAvICAgfCBfIFwgJ198IHwgIF98ICBffCB8
> XC98IC8gX2AgfCB8IC8gLyBfYCB8DQogICAgXC8gICAgfF9fXy9ffCB8X3xcX198XF9ffF98ICB8
> X1xfXyxffF98X1xfXF9fLF98DQoNCg0KLi4uIEvWcmxpZ2hlZGVuIGjbcmVyIGFsZHJpZyBvcC4N
> Cg0KDQouLi4gd3d3Lm1hbGthLmRrIC4uLg==

just two suggestions:

your charset is koi8-r, is that right? (a .dk person using a .ru
charset?)

and perhaps you have base64 encoding set? (account properties,
transport, '8-bit characters are treated'). i've had this problem
before, and it was that setting that got set. (not by me, by the elves
that house in your computer :) set it to 'quoted-printable'.

Mrten.

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Re: Thank you for your answer, but why on earth does it suddenly change my writing into code?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Britt,

On 05 January 2002 at 13:13:31 [GMT+0100] (which was 12:13 where I
live) Britt Malka wrote to Roelof Otten and made these points:

> I have written the letter as usually. I use SecureBat! version 1.54.

This one's perfectly legible. It looks almost as if it's taken the
encrypted message and sent it without decrypting it first. If you have
a copy of the original and the one you got back from the list, MIME
forward both to Max and see what he has to say.

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Re: Searching of Words

[Lars Geiger]

Hi David,
On 5 Jan 2002 at 13:20:57 [GMT +], you wrote:

DE> I wanted to search my archives of The Bat! lists for the words
DE> [Outlook] and [address] and [book] but I have forgotten the
DE> seperators to use.

Try | for OR and & for AND. (IIRC)

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Searching of Words

[David Elliott]

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Hello TBUDL,

I wanted to search my archives of The Bat! lists for the words [Outlook] and
[address] and [book] but I have forgotten the seperators to use.

I know that it was discussed on a list a bit of time ago but I can not find
that either. :(

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Re: Yes, I have a problem. I don't understand this. Have not seen the faenomen in any other group or mail, I have written. Hey, there is a problem with the alphabet in my cookies too. I will try to figure out, what happened.

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Britt,

On 05 January 2002 at 14:04:44 [GMT+0100] (which was 13:04 where I
live) Britt Malka wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points:

> SGVqIE1hcmNrLA0KDQps23JkYWcsIGRlbiA1LiBqYW51YXIgMjAwMiwga2wuIDEzOjMxIHNrcmV2
> IGR1Og0KDQpNRFA+IEFyZSB5b3UgaGF2aW5nIHNvbWUga2luZCBvZiBwcm9ibGVtPw0KDQoNCi0t
> IA0KDQpNZWQgdmVubGlnIGhpbHNlbg0KDQoNCg0KIHxcICAgIC98ICBfDQogfCBcX18vIHwgfF9f
> ICAgfCAgXyAgX3xvDQogXC8gICAgXC8gfChfKT48fF8oX3woX3x8DQogfCAgICAgIHwgIF9fXyAg
> ICAgXyBfICAgXyAgIF9fICBfXyAgICAgIF8gXw0KICBcXCAgLy8gIHwgXyApXyBfKF8pIHxffCB8
> X3wgIFwvICB8X18gX3wgfCB8X19fXyBfDQogICBcICAvICAgfCBfIFwgJ198IHwgIF98ICBffCB8
> XC98IC8gX2AgfCB8IC8gLyBfYCB8DQogICAgXC8gICAgfF9fXy9ffCB8X3xcX198XF9ffF98ICB8
> X1xfXyxffF98X1xfXF9fLF98DQoNCg0KLi4uIEvWcmxpZ2hlZGVuIGjbcmVyIGFsZHJpZyBvcC4N
> Cg0KDQouLi4gd3d3Lm1hbGthLmRrIC4uLg==

Very strange. Did you write to Max? You are using a slightly older
beta of SB. I'll send you the URL for beta 15 off-list. I've been
waiting for Max to announce an update before switching back from TB.

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Re[2]: Export messages to Outlook and/or Outlook Express

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello Marck!

BM>> ICB8X19fL198IHxffFxfX3xcX198X3wgIHxfXF9fLF98X3xfXF9cX18sX3wNCg0KDQoNCi4uLiBE
BM>> ZXR0ZSBlciBza3JldmV0IGFmIGVnZW4gZnJpIHZpbGplLi4uc2lnZXIgbWluIG1hbmQhDQoNCg0K
BM>> DQouLiB3d3cubWFsa2EuZGsgLi4u

MDP> Oops! What happened there?

  Maybe, a server eat "Content-Transfer-Encoding:"?


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Re: Exporting messages

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Britt,

On 05 January 2002 at 13:08:36 [GMT+0100] (which was 12:08 where I
live) Britt Malka wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these
points:

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> IGFnYWluIC0gSSBkb24ndCBrbm93IHdoeSBteSBtZXNzYWdlIHdhcyBjaGFuZ2VkIGludG8gY29k
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> ZXAgdGhlaXIgbWVzc2FnZXMgaW4gaGlzIHN5c3RlbSwgYW5kIHNlbmQNCnRoZW0gdG8gdGhlbSwg
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> IHRoZXJlIGEgd2F5IHRvIHNvbHZlIHRoaXMgcHJvYmxlbT8NCg0KICANCg0KDQotLSANCg0KTWVk
> IHZlbmxpZyBoaWxzZW4NCg0KDQogfFwgICAgL3wgIF8NCiB8IFxfXy8gfCB8X18gICB8ICBfICBf
> fG8NCiBcLyAgICBcLyB8KF8pPjx8XyhffChffHwNCiB8ICAgICAgfCAgX19fICAgICBfIF8gICBf
> ICAgX18gIF9fICAgICAgXyBfDQogIFxcICAvLyAgfCBfIClfIF8oXykgfF98IHxffCAgXC8gIHxf
> XyBffCB8IHxfX19fIF8NCiAgIFwgIC8gICB8IF8gXCAnX3wgfCAgX3wgIF98IHxcL3wgLyBfYCB8
> IHwgLyAvIF9gIHwNCiAgICBcLyAgICB8X19fL198IHxffFxfX3xcX198X3wgIHxfXF9fLF98X3xf
> XF9cX18sX3wNCg0KDQoNCi4uLiBW5WQgcuZ2IGx1Z3RlciBoZWxkaWd2aXMgaWtrZSBhZiB25WQg
> aHVuZC4NCg0KDQoNCi4uIHd3dy5tYWxrYS5kayAuLi4=

That's no better than the last one.

Are you having some kind of problem?

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Re: Yes, I have a problem. I don't understand this. Have not seen the faenomen in any other group or mail, I have written. Hey, there is a problem with the alphabet in my cookies too. I will try to figure out, what happened.

[Allie C Martin]

@ 14:04:44 +0100 [ Sat, 5 Jan 2002], Britt Malka [BM] wrote these
words of wisdom:
...
BM> X1xfXyxffF98X1xfXF9fLF98DQoNCg0KLi4uIEvWcmxpZ2hlZGVuIGjbcmVyIGFsZHJpZyBvcC4N
BM> Cg0KDQouLi4gd3d3Lm1hbGthLmRrIC4uLg==

Something very strange is happening to your mail when you send it. If
you have a copy of TB!, you had better use it until this is sorted
out.

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Yes, I have a problem. I don't understand this. Have not seen the faenomen in any other group or mail, I have written. Hey, there is a problem with the alphabet in my cookies too. I will try to figure out, what happened.

[Britt Malka]

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ICAgfCAgXyAgX3xvDQogXC8gICAgXC8gfChfKT48fF8oX3woX3x8DQogfCAgICAgIHwgIF9fXyAg
ICAgXyBfICAgXyAgIF9fICBfXyAgICAgIF8gXw0KICBcXCAgLy8gIHwgXyApXyBfKF8pIHxffCB8
X3wgIFwvICB8X18gX3wgfCB8X19fXyBfDQogICBcICAvICAgfCBfIFwgJ198IHwgIF98ICBffCB8
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Cg0KDQouLi4gd3d3Lm1hbGthLmRrIC4uLg==


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Re[2]: Thank you for your answer, but why on earth does it suddenly change my writing into code?

[Britt Malka]

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Cg0KDQotLSANCg0KS2luZCByZWdhcmRzLA0KDQoNCg0KIHxcICAgIC98ICBfDQogfCBcX18vIHwg
fF9fICAgfCAgXyAgX3xvDQogXC8gICAgXC8gfChfKT48fF8oX3woX3x8DQogfCAgICAgIHwgIF9f
XyAgICAgXyBfICAgXyAgIF9fICBfXyAgICAgIF8gXw0KICBcXCAgLy8gIHwgXyApXyBfKF8pIHxf
fCB8X3wgIFwvICB8X18gX3wgfCB8X19fXyBfDQogICBcICAvICAgfCBfIFwgJ198IHwgIF98ICBf
fCB8XC98IC8gX2AgfCB8IC8gLyBfYCB8DQogICAgXC8gICAgfF9fXy9ffCB8X3xcX198XF9ffF98
ICB8X1xfXyxffF98X1xfXF9fLF98DQoNCg0KLi4uIEl0J3MgJ2ZyaWVkIHJpY2UnLCB5b3UgUGxp
Y2shDQoNCg0KLi4uIHd3dy5tYWxrYS5kayAuLi4=


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Re: Export messages to Outlook and/or Outlook Express

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Britt,

On 05 January 2002 at 11:58:21 [GMT+0100] (which was 10:58 where I
live) Britt Malka wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these
points:

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Oops! What happened there?

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Re[4]: Changing both sender & replyto

[AO]

Hi David

It works...!  Thank you very much  :-)


Regards
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Re: Filter using addressbook

[Gerard de Vries]

 
ON Saturday, January 05, 2002, 12:40:22 PM, you wrote:

Roelof> Hello Gerard,

Roelof> On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:45:23 +0100GMT (5-1-02, 11:45 +0100GMT, where I
Roelof> live), you wrote:

GdV>>  I just found that when I build an incoming filter which checks for
GdV>>  presence of the sender in the address book, the filter doesn't work if I
GdV>>  select more then 1 group.
GdV>>  This doesn't work: InAddrGroups: NL+UK
GdV>>  This does work : InAddrGroups: NL

GdV>>  Can someone else duplicate this behavior, because it looks like a bug
GdV>>  to me?

Roelof> I used a manual filter, during re-filtering, just for testing
Roelof> possibilities, but it works exactly as I expected.

Roelof> When I check two Address Book Groups messages are only triggered by
Roelof> Address Book entries that occur in both groups.

Roelof> Reading your message leads me to believe that you expected NL *or* UK,
Roelof> while the rule works as NL *and* UK.


Hi Roelof,

You're right, that's exactly what I expected. So this bug is a feature?

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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Gerard,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:39:50 +0100GMT (5-1-02, 11:39 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

GdV>  Somehow MS Outlook keeps associating itself with files from type EML.

Exit TB
Open your browser
Set Outlook Express as the default mail editor
Close your browser
Open TB
TB should start to bugger you about default settings and file
associations.


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Re[3]: Changing both sender & replyto

[David Elliott]

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Hello AO

On 05 January 2002 at 12:10:55 +0100 (which was 11:10 where I live) AO might
have written

D>> This QT is called from my address book templates so I don't even have to
D>> worry about calling it for most of my lists.

A> Sounds very smart, but i don't know about AB-templates. Could you
A> explain a little how you use it?

In your address book create a group for your lists. In that group put all
your list that you want to use your alternate name/address.

When you click onto properties of this group you will see some tabs for new
message, Reply's and Forward. You can then specify to use these group
templates in place of the account templates.

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Re: Thank you for your answer, but why on earth does it suddenly change my writing into code?

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Britt,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:13:31 +0100GMT (5-1-02, 13:13 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

BM> I have written the letter as usually. I use SecureBat! version 1.54.

So I saw, this message was readable, but your second message about
exporting didn't make much sense either.
Changed any settings lately or changed versions?

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Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system

[David Elliott]

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Greetings Gerard

On 05 January 2002 at 11:39:50 +0100 (which was 10:39 where I live) Gerard
de Vries graced us with these comments

GdV>  I have a little problem.
GdV>  Somehow MS Outlook keeps associating itself with files from type EML.
GdV>  I do not use Outlook and I have TB associate itself with EML files each
GdV>  time. I guess the best way would be to remove Outlook al together, but
GdV>  I cant find it in the add/remove program option.

GdV>  Does anyone know what I can do about this behavior, or how to remove
GdV>  Outlook al together?

I to have had this problem. In my case my OS is win2K Server and a one of the
services re-registers EML files this every time I start my LapTop.

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Re: Changing both sender & replyto

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Ottar,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:09:15 +0100GMT (5-1-02, 13:09 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

RO>> Create a separate folder for every list (improves readability too) and
RO>> set in the folder properties for every folder the appropriate identity

OG> There is some danger in using folder templates.

I know, but read carefully what I wrote . I talked about folder
*identities* and not folder *templates*

OG> You may inadvertently direct private mail to the whole list.

Besides folder templates are only dangerous when you're using a macro
to insert a To-address.

OG> I prefer making address book entrys for every list I participate
OG> in.

That depends on the goal you want to achieve. When I'm off list
corresponding with somebody on this list about a message here, I'm
still using my list-address. Just to protect my privacy.
I'm doing that for every public list. So that once an address of mine
gets spammed I know what's the source (and take appropriate measures)

OG> In properties for the address book entry you may specify seperate
OG> message template and reply templates for that list, and can
OG> include the necessary %FROM %TO and %REPLYTO macros in these
OG> templates.
  
In my opinion the %To macro isn't the fitting one to be used in an
address book template. 

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Re[2]: Changing both sender & replyto

[David Elliott]

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Dear Marck

On 05 January 2002 at 10:52:52 + (which was 10:52 where I live) Marck D
Pearlstone thoughtfully wrote the following

>> %FROM=""
>> %FROM="David Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
>> %REPLYTO=""
>> %REPLYTO="David Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

MDP> You don't actually have to clear these fields before setting them -
MDP> they're non-cumulative. Or was this necessary because of a (now fixed)
MDP> problem where TB would not accept the settings when there was already
MDP> a value in the field?

I did have a problem at one time this fixed it, and I have never got around
to changing it back. (If it works don't fix it!)

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Thank you for your answer, but why on earth does it suddenly change my writing into code?

[Britt Malka]

I have written the letter as usually. I use SecureBat! version 1.54.


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Re: Export messages to Outlook and/or Outlook Express

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Britt,

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:58:21 +0100GMT (5-1-02, 11:58 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

BM> bPhyZGFnLCBkZW4gNS4gamFudWFyIDIwMDIsIDExOjU2DQoNCkhlbGxvIGxpc3QsDQoNCkkgaGF2

I'm sorry, but I can't read this.

Exporting e-mail from The Bat to Outlook Express is as follows:
Select the messages you want to export and export them to *.msg
 (Tools -> Export Messages -> Message files)
Rename the *.msg to *.eml (Last time I used Flash Renamer for this,
freeware http://rlvision.com)
Drag the *.eml in the OE-window in the correct folder.

The last time I exported to Outlook, I exported to OE and choose in
Outlook 'import from Outlook Express'.

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Re: Changing both sender & replyto

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Roelof,

Saturday, January 05, 2002, 12:59:59 PM, you wrote to TBUDL:

RO> Create a separate folder for every list (improves readability too) and
RO> set in the folder properties for every folder the appropriate identity
RO> that doesn't have to be an identity from one of your accounts.
RO> You've also got to create a filter to every list to put it into the
RO> right folder.

There is some danger in using folder templates. You may inadvertently
direct private mail to the whole list. I prefer making address book
entrys for every list I participate in. In properties for the address
book entry you may specify seperate message template and reply
templates for that list, and can include the necessary %FROM %TO and
%REPLYTO macros in these templates.
  

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Exporting messages

[Britt Malka]

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