Re[2]: running from a BAT file
rg switch /nologo. How can I set the (win 98se) shortcut properties rg to include this switch? NL Are you saying: NL c:\program files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /NOLOGO NL doesn't work in win98se? There you go... I put the switch INSIDE the quotes. Thx -- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hello Gerard, On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:43:44 +0200 GMT (06/10/2003, 03:43 +0700 GMT), Gerard wrote: I am thinking that if TB! can send a mail it is still functioning properly , but I can't figure a way to have TB! send emails automatically, say every 2 hours. You'll be away for a week and want TB send you an automted mail every 32 hours? Hm, I would think this will fill up your Inbox (of the account that you check). Does anyone know if this is possible and how to do this? Or does anyone know of an other way to accomplish the same result? Apart from the scheduler, which Allie already mentioned, I would go about differently: I would create an Incoming filter that is triggered by a secret code (string) in the subject line. When you send a message with that code to the account TB is checking, an automated message will be sent to the account that you check while on the road. This way, you can check wehther TB is running as often as you like. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The difference between a king and a president is that a king is the son of his father but a president is not. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat / MyGate question - crossposting
Hallo John, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:31:42 +1000GMT (6-10-03, 7:31 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JP Is there any way of marking read the second and subsequent downloaded JP cross posted news group messages, using MyGate Bat! at all? Not with the current filtering system. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hello Vishal, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:55:45 -0400 GMT (06/10/2003, 11:55 +0700 GMT), Vishal wrote: MDP Please see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have that message stored on my machine. Any chance you could paste the text or tell me what to search for so I know what you were trying to say? It doesn't seem to have made it into the archives yet. Marck just says that putting a cutmark into the list footer wouldn't work for TB, was tested,etc. MDP (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) ummm..huh? That's an old song; Marck is referring to an endless repetition. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Early to rise and early to bed, makes a man healthy but socially dead. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat / MyGate question - crossposting
Hi Roelof, On Mon, 06 Oct 2003, at 08:01:17 [GMT+0200] (which was 16:01:17 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: JP Is there any way of marking read the second and subsequent downloaded JP cross posted news group messages, using MyGate Bat! at all? Not with the current filtering system. Bummer! Thanks for the reply. What sort of filtering system would be needed to handle this? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Friends don't let friends use Windows. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Regarding group templates
Hi daniel, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, at 00:56:29 [GMT +0200] (which was 0:56 where I live) you wrote: daniel So you haven't checked anything in the Known filter? or just special daniel groups (except the tB-list)? Yes, I have checked the groups individual (family, friends) and not my mailinglists. . -- Best regards, Gerritmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hello Thomas, Monday, October 6, 2003, 7:53:49 AM, you wrote: TF I would create an Incoming filter that is triggered by a secret code TF (string) in the subject line. When you send a message with that code TF to the account TB is checking, an automated message will be sent to TF the account that you check while on the road. This way, you can check TF wehther TB is running as often as you like. How I like that secret code idea! You see: I once came to believe that if I would construct a clever filter system I would probably be able to have The Bat! (at the office) send me any file I would request to me when I am on the road (by putting the full path of the file in the body). Such a thing would defenetely require a secret code, and of course I've never even tried to implement it, but it would be brilliant! -- Best regards, Gerrit Kiers Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hi Vishal, @6-Oct-2003, 00:55 -0400 (06-Oct 05:55 UK time) Vishal [V] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: V I don't have that message stored on my machine. Any chance you V could paste the text or tell me what to search for so I know what V you were trying to say? ,--/ Here it is, a reply to Andrew Hodgson's suggestion \-- LG Again, not using a cut mark was something we've already tried. AH ... I include the cutmark in the footer, ... ... snip AH Is there a reason why this is not a good idea? MDP It doesn't work properly in TB by default. It only cuts the MDP last signature it finds. Also, only the final cut mark is also MDP seen as the real signature delimiter by the RTV, defeating TB's MDP wonderful signature display format features. MDP This is something that was tried and discarded. `-8- MDP (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) V ummm..huh? It's a song, quite long, that starts with that line, continues with Liza suggesting remedies, ending up with a bucket being needed ... and returning to the first verse to start over. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
I would create an Incoming filter that is triggered by a secret code (string) in the subject line. When you send a message with that code to the account TB is checking, an automated message will be sent to the account that you check while on the road. This way, you can check wehther TB is running as often as you like. Funny! I have made such a system to use with my TB. I send my requests from any web-browser - these are my commands: MAIL RELAY: COMPOSE MESSAGES: Compose a munged message READ MAIL: Webread MANAGE SIGNATURES: Retrieve | Update MANAGE RELAY LOG: Retrieve relayed addresses MAILING LIST: GENERAL MANAGEMENT: Send a listadministrator's notification Resume list | Put list On Hold Create a list EDIT LIST INFORMATION: Retrieve | Update | Send EDIT LIST CONFIGURATION: Retrieve | Update EDIT DIGEST: Retrieve | Update | Create EDIT DIGEST CONFIGURATION: Retrieve | Update EDIT BANNER FILES: Retrieve | Update MANAGE SUBSCRIPTIONS: Check subscription status Subscribe | Unsubscribe Enable posting | Disable posting Reactivate | Moderate Approved a moderated message Reinstate | Ban Back-In-Office | Out-Of-Office MANAGE SUBJECT BLOCK: Retrieve | Unblock | Block JUNKSHIELD: GENERAL MANAGEMENT: Reboot | Abort Reboot | Lock | Ping SYMANTEC LIVEUPDATE: Retrieve Status | Update RELAY LOGS: Retrieve | Prune MISCELLANEOUS: MANAGE FILES: Retrieve folder summary Retrieve account files Forward local files by mail HANDLING OF BANNED MAIL: Retrieve | Prune | Process mail As you see, from any web-browser I can send a mail and have it look as if it is coming from the local machine (Compose a munged message); there is a full mailinglists management; I can reboot the PC, Lock the console - and also Ping (which is equivalent to your Check TB thing), I can choose not to trust Symantec Liveupdate by forcing an Update of the virus definitions, and my Misc section provides file retrievement. My TB is set to check mail every 15 seconds. I have a system going on with filters that take care of spam-filtering (SpamCop, Spamassassin, and my own JunkShield). When on tour I can chosse to only read the real mail - no annoying spam! Also, these filters forward to me any mail that is relevant to me as a mailinglist administrator (ie. requests and member submissions), but mail from mailinglists that I just follow I can choose to have it downloaded and sort into local mailboxes for archiving locally, but not forwarded to my webaccess account. I must admit I am very satisfied with my system, alas, I did not think of it as a commercial product when I started out designing it. So it is not very likely I will offer the system - it is too much a personal system now. It is one hell of a satisfaction being able to sit in anywhere (Denmark and Ghana mostly) and administrate my TB-mail and mailinglists from an internet café. The system I have made could probably have been made with the help of a Hotmail-account and by setting up the lists at Yahoogroups - but I enjoy owning my own property, thank you! :)) And half of the reason why I made this system is just that it is FUN! :) -- St Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding group templates
on Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:54:38 -0500 Allie Martin wrote: DH 1. it would be very good to have an identity tab for each address DH book entry (as with the folders), which will be used when sending to DH that recipient/list! Now I have to write the new message in the DH according folder anyway, as it wouldn't use the address for that DH list. AM In each template for the list, define your identity using the %FROM AM macro: AM %From=Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that would mean to have a template for each list, instead of one fore the whole TB lists group! But it would work to have a RegEX, which takes the first part of the addressee (until the '@') and uses that for the %From='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Although an Identity tab would be more flexible. -- shinE! Using The Bat! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 . Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding group templates
on Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:24:40 +0200 Gerrit Kruijer wrote: daniel So you haven't checked anything in the Known filter? or just special daniel groups (except the tB-list)? GK Yes, I have checked the groups individual (family, friends) and not my mailinglists. . And also not Personal Address Book? my mailinglists are also unchecked, like all other groups. Just Personal Address Book is checked, but the mailinglist groups do not appear in the Address Book. -- shinE! Using The Bat! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 . Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Delete up to cutmark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL list, Quite often when replying to messages I want to get rid of everything bellow the cursor up to the cutmark - signature position. In Agent, since the signature was added after the message had been sent, I used to just press shft+ctrl+end to sellect everything up to the end of the message, then the delete key to get rid of it. However, I cannot do this in TB because the sig block is visible in the text. Is there then a way to get rid of everything bellow the cursor in TB up to the sig block, perhaps preserving a line between the last piece of text and the sig separater? Thanks, Andrew. - -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP4FjehvTWk0UTIIuEQL2QQCeMqc/yqBu3TZvKndJ2Ep9vszdP88AnAon Udfd8OZNUZTjLKCru0CnL1sF =nJIB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard not working in spell checker
Hello Edgar, Sunday, October 5, 2003, 10:00:28 PM, you wrote: E Hello All, E I find that if you use the spell checker some times the Underlined E letter (like I for ignore) is not underlined. Furthermore the alt+c to change does not work, I am in the process of submitting this as a bug report to TB bug tracker. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:23:11 +0200, Marek Mikus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 2.01 version will be possible to selecect HTML as default in Preferences and AFAIK macros for selecting message type are planned. Thank you for this info. The macros would do well too (I didn't think of that option), but the default on is not my style - and IMHO that shouldn't be supported by TB!'s either. Although, speaking business-wise that might open a larger share of the e-mail client market. Grtz, Cory Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Regarding group templates
Hi daniel, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, at 14:27:26 [GMT +0200] (which was 14:27 where I live) you wrote: daniel on Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:24:40 +0200 Gerrit Kruijer wrote: daniel So you haven't checked anything in the Known filter? or just special daniel groups (except the tB-list)? GK Yes, I have checked the groups individual (family, friends) and not my mailinglists. . daniel And also not Personal Address Book? daniel my mailinglists are also unchecked, like all other groups. Just daniel Personal Address Book is checked, but the mailinglist groups do not daniel appear in the Address Book. That's correct. Also not Personal Address Book. I have that also left unticked. That's why it didn't work at my place either when i had that one ticked. -- Best regards, Gerritmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete up to cutmark
Hello Andrew, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:43:38 +0100 GMT (06/10/2003, 19:43 +0700 GMT), Andrew Hodgson wrote: Quite often when replying to messages I want to get rid of everything bellow the cursor up to the cutmark - signature position. In Agent, since the signature was added after the message had been sent, I used to just press shft+ctrl+end to sellect everything up to the end of the message, then the delete key to get rid of it. I just tried it and TB's editor will mark everthing from the cursor to the end of the message - including the sig - if I hit shift-crtl-end. So this doesn't help you, unless you want to re-insert your sig by way of quick template. The other around is to mark everything you want to quote in the original message and then hit F4. This will place only the marked part into the reply and add your sig at the bottom. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Eine Ratte schwaermt der anderen vor: 'Ach ja, diese Lerngesetze sind schon toll! Jedes Mal wenn ich diesen Hebel druecke, muss mir der Weisskittel Futter geben!' Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
ON Monday, October 6, 2003, 7:53:49 AM, you wrote: TF Apart from the scheduler, which Allie already mentioned, I would go TF about differently: TF I would create an Incoming filter that is triggered by a secret code TF (string) in the subject line. When you send a message with that code TF to the account TB is checking, an automated message will be sent to TF the account that you check while on the road. This way, you can check TF wehther TB is running as often as you like. Hi Thomas, Last night, after I send this msg, I though about this myself. The only problem I can see is that it takes some time receive the email (mine is set for 10 min.) and to send a mail back. But the idea is sound and I will fiddle around with it a bit more. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Let Mother show you how to hold that mashie.Whats a mashie ? A new gash opened in Janes heart. Four years old, and he didnt know what a mashie was. ==P.G Wodehouse - JANE GETS OFF THE FAIRWAY == Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
DEfault Column Settings
Hi All, hw can i save my column settings as default. I have changed the column settings but after ticking use the default account column setting it changed back. I am standing on the account and changed it. Can someone help me out here? -- Kind Regards, Gerrit mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hi Thomas Monday, October 6, 2003, 2:06:31 AM, you wrote: TF It doesn't seem to have made it into the archives yet. Marck just says TF that putting a cutmark into the list footer wouldn't work for TB, was TF tested,etc. Thanks..Marck replied too. TF That's an old song; Marck is referring to an endless repetition. Oh well.. :) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hi Marck Monday, October 6, 2003, 5:29:11 AM, you wrote: MDP It doesn't work properly in TB by default. It only cuts the MDP last signature it finds. Also, only the final cut mark is also MDP seen as the real signature delimiter by the RTV, defeating TB's MDP wonderful signature display format features. Thanks. Deborah already helped me out with this. I see the problem. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
ON Monday, October 6, 2003, 1:36:55 PM, you wrote: SMN I must admit I am very satisfied with my system, alas, I did not think of SMN it as a commercial product when I started out designing it. So it is not SMN very likely I will offer the system - it is too much a personal system SMN now. SMN It is one hell of a satisfaction being able to sit in anywhere (Denmark SMN and Ghana mostly) and administrate my TB-mail and mailinglists from an SMN internet café. Hi St, I think it is great that you have got it automated this way. Can you help me with a few questions. How do you do a restart if TB! hangs? Also my win2K system requires a PW or when no pw is needed a press of the enter key. How do these little menu´s work, is this a separate program? Can you send so files for me to modify privately? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= If it goes right, it's a slice. If it goes left, it's a hook. If it goes straight, it's a miracle. Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hello Marck, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:29:11 +0100 GMT (06/10/2003, 16:29 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) It's a song, quite long, that starts with that line, continues with Liza suggesting remedies, ending up with a bucket being needed ... and returning to the first verse to start over. I only know the German lyrics by heart: Ein Loch ist im Eimer, Karl-Otto, Karl-Otto, ein Loch ist im Eimer, Karl-Otto, ein Loch. (And the rest of it.) The English lyrics are here: http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Glade/8851/s5_51.htm f'up2tbot -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I know that the work cycle is not plan/start/finish, but is wait/plan/plan. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: DEfault Column Settings
Gerrit Kruijer wrote: hw can i save my column settings as default. I have changed the column settings but after ticking use the default account column setting it changed back. I am standing on the account and changed it. Can someone help me out here? Wrong order. Tick 'use default column setting' *then* change columns to what you want the default to be. It's not very clear, but after you realize how the function is implemented, it makes sense. All folders (within one account) that have 'use default...' checked will maintain the same column settings. There is no master folder or master column settings - all folders are treated equally. This allows you to decide on a favorite column display to use across many folders, and only have to set it once. Furthermore, you can make changes to that default setting in any of the folders using the default setting. So, if you have 12 folders in one account, and 10 of those folders are set (checked) to use default column settings, then a change to *any* of those 10 would propagate across all 10. The two folders that are not checked to be default would retain their independent column settings. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete up to cutmark
Thomas Fernandez wrote: The other around is to mark everything you want to quote in the original message and then hit F4. This will place only the marked part into the reply and add your sig at the bottom. Definitely the way to go (unless I misunderstood the original question). -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: DEfault Column Settings
Hi ken, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, at 09:53:16 [GMT -0500] (which was 16:53 where I live) you wrote: ken Gerrit Kruijer wrote: hw can i save my column settings as default. I have changed the column settings but after ticking use the default account column setting it changed back. I am standing on the account and changed it. Can someone help me out here? ken Wrong order. Tick 'use default column setting' *then* change columns to ken what you want the default to be. It's not very clear, but after you ken realize how the function is implemented, it makes sense. ken All folders (within one account) that have 'use default...' checked will ken maintain the same column settings. There is no master folder or master ken column settings - all folders are treated equally. This allows you to ken decide on a favorite column display to use across many folders, and only ken have to set it once. Furthermore, you can make changes to that default ken setting in any of the folders using the default setting. ken So, if you have 12 folders in one account, and 10 of those folders are ken set (checked) to use default column settings, then a change to *any* of ken those 10 would propagate across all 10. The two folders that are not ken checked to be default would retain their independent column settings. Thanks Ken for explaining. Never thaught about that. Although, you are wright. It make sense. -- Best regards, Gerritmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter question (MyGate)
Hello Gerrit, Sunday, October 5, 2003, 12:49:02 AM, you wrote: GK You could add the other line in your first filter with presence GK no. That will di i think. Are you sure it is not crossposted? moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Gerrit. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
In 2.01 version will be possible to selecect HTML as default in Preferences and AFAIK macros for selecting message type are planned. CaC Thank you for this info. When I first installed TB as an eval (v2.00) I was completely unable to send (or queue) any email if composed with HTML option. Reinstalling (was ver 2.00.06?) fixed this BUT now the problem is back!! I again fixed it by again reinstalling TB. I can again send (or queue) HTML/plain text (or HTML only) email. -- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
bug reports
I tried to report a bugs on the bugtrak system but do not see a way to post! One issue is the needd to reinstall every now then when the ability to send HTML emails no longer works. The 2nd is the way the address book is storing an IMPORTED GROUP (mailling list). The group name does include all the right addresses but if I try to address an email with it only the first name in that list is used in the TO: (or CC:or whatever) filed. I know the names are in there for 2 reasons: 1) In the open address book when I hover over the group name I can see the list 2) email received from any member of thta group is routed to the folder. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat / MyGate question - crossposting
Hallo John, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:16:36 +1000GMT (6-10-03, 8:16 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JP Is there any way of marking read the second and subsequent downloaded JP cross posted news group messages, using MyGate Bat! at all? Not with the current filtering system. JP Bummer! Thanks for the reply. You can't win 'em all JP What sort of filtering system would be needed to handle this? You'd need something that keeps a database of the message-id's that were seen and be triggered when the same message-id is encountered again. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Gerard- Monday, October 6, 2003, 7:08:26 AM, you wrote: G How do you do a restart if TB! hangs? Also my win2K system requires a PW G or when no pw is needed a press of the enter key. Pick up TweakUI from Microsoft's site and set the Logon options to log on the desired user automatically. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list archive
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: The entire wishlist is help on the RITlabs BugTraq server. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Is the viewing of the wishlist limited to registered users? If I log in anonymously, nothing seems available. Not sure why the anon login is there... -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hallo Gerrit, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:33:53 +0200GMT (6-10-03, 10:33 +0200, where I live), you wrote: GK How I like that secret code idea! You see: I once came to believe GK that if I would construct a clever filter system I would probably be GK able to have The Bat! (at the office) send me any file I would request GK to me when I am on the road (by putting the full path of the file in GK the body). Such a thing would defenetely require a secret code, and GK of course I've never even tried to implement it, but it would be GK brilliant! Isn't that difficult Set your password (secret code is rather dramatic) in your subject line and create two filters that trigger on that subject. Your first filter exports the message to file (overwrites it) the export template will only contain the macro %text and the filter (at options) is set to 'continue processing with other filters' Your second filter is set to reply to any message with your password in the subject line with a reply template that has this: %include=path\filename path\filename being the file where you exported your message to in your first filter. To instruct TB to do whatever you'd like it to, you'd only need to send it a template, something like: %AttachFile=C:\My documents\My silly text.doc Could be something entirely different too, like: %To=%To=[EMAIL PROTECTED]%- %Subject=Out of office%- Hi, I forgot to tell you I'm out of the office, can't be reached for a while. LLAP Just to tell somebody that you're gone without telling him your travelling e-mail address. Of course you'd need to remember some macros, but not the really difficult ones. Since the only things you'd want to is replying the message to a different address than you'd be using to send the trigger message, to change the subject (your reply template should take care of a neutral subject, since it would otherwise send your password as subject line) and to add some files. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Auto responde to mail with an attachment with a large size
Hi Allie, On 06 October 2003 at 01:11:59GMT +0100, Allie Martin sent an E-Mail mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on the subject of Auto responde to mail with an attachment with a large size: SF I set TB up to leave messages larger than 2MB on the server, SF and also have the option set to Delete downloaded messages. SF My test message was purged from the server even though I only SF received the automated test notification that a large message was SF waiting for me to deal with. AM Now open the sorting offices filters and create an incoming filter that AM will catch the large message notification. I've not seen one of those AM notifications in a while but I think the message is from 'The Bat!' so AM you can have it filter on 'Sender' being 'The Bat!'. Put this filter at AM the very top of the filter list. AM The next filter will be one that matches all messages. You can therefore AM define the string 'e' with Kludges being the source. For the filter AM action, enable 'delete message from server'. Very importantly, also AM enable the option to 'continue processing with other filters'. Just wanted to say that this worked fine - thanks! -- Regards, Simon Fincham Using The Bat: Version 2.00.22 on Windows XP Pro SP1 Build 2600 SPAM Detection:BayesIt! 0.4fm Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto responde to mail with an attachment with a large size
Hello Allie, Monday, October 6, 2003, 2:07:25 AM, you wrote: This will work though I thought it wasn't necessary anymore: Set the account to leave messages on the server and to download only the headers of messages beyond 2MB in size. Now open the sorting offices filters and create an incoming filter that will catch the large message notification. I've not seen one of those notifications in a while but I think the message is from 'The Bat!' so you can have it filter on 'Sender' being 'The Bat!'. Put this filter at the very top of the filter list. The next filter will be one that matches all messages. You can therefore define the string 'e' with Kludges being the source. For the filter action, enable 'delete message from server'. Very importantly, also enable the option to 'continue processing with other filters'. First of all thanks for the answer to Simons request. This helps me half way with my problem (see: MID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) But still I can not sent the sender of the large mail a return mail automatically. Does any one know how to do that? The second filter marks all other messages for deletion and passes them on to be filtered as usual by your other filters. Each time you do a POP check, the messages previously marked for deletion by this filter will be deleted from the server. The little messages will be deleted the next time you check your mail and not during the first connection, can you confirm that? This can cause a problem if you only check ones and then again 1 day later. (mailbox full) -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.00.6, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. - Niels Bohr Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
How do you do a restart if TB! hangs? Also my win2K system requires a PW or when no pw is needed a press of the enter key. Well, I am fortunated enough to have people around that can turn the PC off and on - and when that has been done my PC logs in with the correct user. It hasn't happend that TB has hanged on me. How do these little menu's work, is this a separate program? The menues you saw were weblinks that links to webforms - there is an example of one such form here: http://www.musaic.net/tb After filling out the form and clicking Submit, the form result is then sent to the respective administrative address. TB downloads mail for this address and provided the secret code and receipient etc. complies with the Office Rules I have set up ;) TB will store the form result as a text file. Finally, TB executes the program I have made to handle the request. This program administrate the mailinglists, it creates the munged email (the mail I can send from anywhere / from any network yet it seem to come from my PC at home ;) and the program also reboot the PC, and updates Norton Antivirus etc. Can you send so files for me to modify privately? Both the Office Rules and especially the program are very proprietary. Unless I go in and tweak the programcode extensively I don't think the system would work on any other PC than mine, I'm afraid... It is possible I can make a lite version that should work properly with any Windows system - what is it that you want it to do? -- St Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: DEfault Column Settings
06-Okt-2003 17:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ken for explaining. Never thaught about that. Although, you are wright. Some typos are simply great - if I were Ken, I'd be flattered. ;-) SCNR -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
ON Monday, October 6, 2003, 9:26:27 PM, you wrote: SMN Both the Office Rules and especially the program are very proprietary. SMN Unless I go in and tweak the programcode extensively I don't think the SMN system would work on any other PC than mine, I'm afraid... SMN It is possible I can make a lite version that should work properly SMN with any Windows system - what is it that you want it to do? Hi St, Well me #1 priority is to check if everything is still up and running, meaning my PC and TB!. But after reading about your system I might want to do some extra things like forwarding a few mails :-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bomb - A very long shot, usually a drive. When we try to hit a bomb the result is usually what youd expect from a bomb a disaster! Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hello Roelof, Monday, October 6, 2003, 7:48:45 PM, you wrote: RO Isn't that difficult Thanks! I had to read it three times to fully comprehend what you wrote. ;-) I am utterly amazed by the scope of these two filters. I thought of one specific filter for the %AttachFile-macro. You presented a general control mechanism. If I only imagine the faces of my colleagues when I phone in one day to tell them Please start up my computer. I want to do some e-mailing) ;-) But I am not at ease with the password in the subject, since these are very easy revealed (usually logged and so on). I actually started already thinking of a %SetHeader generating a pass-field. But considering the power of these filters, even that I consider unwise. Thinking of what I wanted to do in the first place (sending a certain document to myself) I might gain safety by making the second filter only send to my own e-mailaddress. But I think these macro's %To=%To=[EMAIL PROTECTED]%- would be able to break that precaution and any file could be send anyware! So at the moment I think these filters should not be used lightly. RO Set your password (secret code is rather dramatic) snip (still looking for a secret code) ;, -- Best regards, Gerrit Kiers Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list archive
Hi Ken, @6-Oct-2003, 12:37 -0500 (06-Oct 18:37 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ K Is the viewing of the wishlist limited to registered users? If I K log in anonymously, nothing seems available. Not sure why the K anon login is there... shrug so ... register? It's free! ;-). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding group templates
Daniel Hahler, [DH] wrote: DH But that would mean to have a template for each list, instead of one DH fore the whole TB lists group! Why? You could use group templates. DH But it would work to have a RegEX, which takes the first part of the DH addressee (until the '@') and uses that for the DH %From='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. I see that you use a separate address for each list. You could use an if macro for this. Create a quick template with the handle name 'addr' and place in it: %IF:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:tbudl:%- %IF:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:tbbeta:%- %IF:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:tbtech: In your group template use: %From=Daniel Hahler %Qinclude='addr'@thequod.de This will generate the appropriate address. You can adjust the if macro as needed. I don't know if you're subscribed to TBTECH. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto responde to mail with an attachment with a large size
Edgar, [E] wrote: E First of all thanks for the answer to Simons request. This helps me half E way with my problem (see: MID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) E But still I can not sent the sender of the large mail a return mail E automatically. E Does any one know how to do that? I'd need to see the format of the notification message. It should have the sender address in it somewhere. For that initial filter I mentioned for the notification message you could set it to send an auto-reply and in the template for the auto-reply, define the to: address using the %To= macro. However, I'd need to see what one of the notification messages looks like to create a macro that works. E The little messages will be deleted the next time you check your E mail and not during the first connection, can you confirm that? Yes. E This can cause a problem if you only check ones and then again 1 day E later. (mailbox full) That's a potential problem, yes. :) -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hallo Gerrit, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:04:41 +0200GMT (6-10-03, 23:04 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO Isn't that difficult GK Thanks! I had to read it three times to fully comprehend what you GK wrote. ;-) I am utterly amazed by the scope of these two filters. I GK thought of one specific filter for the %AttachFile-macro. You GK presented a general control mechanism. Well, as I said, it isn't very difficult. The only thing you've got to study is restricting access. The easiest way to do that is a password eventually combined with a sender address. More complicated things can be accomplished, but you'll have to realise that anybody capable of breaking your code and at the same time being able to give the full path to any of your files probably has access to your computer and won't bother to access them via mail, especially not since it's likely to be found out who did it. (received headers of incoming messages explain a lot) GK If I only imagine the faces of my colleagues when I phone in one day GK to tell them Please start up my computer. I want to do some GK e-mailing) ;-) g GK But I am not at ease with the password in the subject, since these GK are very easy revealed (usually logged and so on). I actually started GK already thinking of a %SetHeader generating a pass-field. That's as likely to be breached as anything. TB's not the only program that can create it's own headers. GK Thinking of what I wanted to do in the first place (sending a certain GK document to myself) I might gain safety by making the second filter GK only send to my own e-mailaddress. But I think these macro's GK %To=%To=[EMAIL PROTECTED]%- GK would be able to break that precaution and any file could be send GK anyware! So at the moment I think these filters should not be used GK lightly. In that case you'd better restrict the scope of the filters. Make your reply message something like %To=%To=MyOwnAddress %attachfile=%put='filepath/filename' Now the only thing you need to insert in your command message is the path/name of the file you want to get and only that at the very top of the message body. The reason for the double To macro is that even if somebody got the filter being triggered that the message would get to you whatever the reply-to header of the command message would be. RO Set your password (secret code is rather dramatic) snip GK (still looking for a secret code) ;, What what you say about this: OnlyMeAndNobodyElse As good as any other password. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Repeated Downloads
In order to capture some messages in another e-mail client, I leave messages which have been downloaded into TB! on the server for a period of time. (The other MUA just leaves them on the server.) Once a message is downloaded into either program, it used to not be downloaded again. Now, however, that behavior has changed, so that messages are often downloaded twice. Since this is occurring in both MUA's, I assume that the problem lies with the mail service. I do not know enough about mail transport, however, to specify the likely problem(s). Given the lack of helpful support in the past from this mail service, I would like to suggest a source or two of the problem. Based on what I've written above, are there likely causes of the repeated downloading problem? -- JN Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list archive
On Monday, October 6, 2003 at 1:37:22 PM, ken green wrote in the message Wish list archive mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: The entire wishlist is help on the RITlabs BugTraq server. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Is the viewing of the wishlist limited to registered users? If I log in anonymously, nothing seems available. Not sure why the anon login is there... Go to BugTraq. Click on Login Anonymously. Then click on The Bat! Wishes. Then click on View Bugs (it's in the next box down). -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. You can go anywhere you want if you look serious and carry a clipboard. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Repeated Downloads
Hello Joseph, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:25:11 -0500 GMT (07/10/2003, 08:25 +0700 GMT), Joseph N. wrote: Now, however, that behavior has changed, so that messages are often downloaded twice. Since this is occurring in both MUA's, I assume that the problem lies with the mail service. Each message on the server receives a UID. When TB checks for mail, it will ask the server for the UIDL - the list of unique identifiers. TB will then look into its own database (in one of the account.* files) to see whether it has already downloaded the message with that UID. If so, it will not be downloaded again. If the UID is not found, TB will download the message. Some servers re-assign UIDs. So, a message that has a certain UID now will have another UID tomorrow. I don't know what may be the advantage of this. Given the lack of helpful support in the past from this mail service, I would like to suggest a source or two of the problem. Based on what I've written above, are there likely causes of the repeated downloading problem? I hope the above helps (and I hope it is the cause, too). IMHO they have either changed their mail server software to something that cannot keep static UIDs or they have misconfigured something. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Have you had your Hard drive axle checked for alignment? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hello Gerrit, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:04:41 +0200 GMT (07/10/2003, 04:04 +0700 GMT), Gerrit Kiers wrote: But I am not at ease with the password in the subject, since these are very easy revealed (usually logged and so on). I actually started already thinking of a %SetHeader generating a pass-field. But considering the power of these filters, even that I consider unwise. What I suggested was a filter that, once triggered by yourself, will send a message back to you, so you know your TB is still up and running. This thread has evolved into smething like how to remotely access your PC by using The Bat. This is not what I meant. If you want to remotely access your PC, there are other programs around. PCanywhere comes to mind. Be aware that if you have remote access, so will anybody else who knows your password. SSL encyrption comes to mind - but certainly not a plaintext password sent by mail! Regardless of whether it is in the subject line or a header. the more access you allow yourself to have to your computer while on the road, the more you'll have to think about security. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Eine Frage zu Word: Wo sind denn hier die Sonderzeichen fuer die roemischen Ziffern? Du must alt festhalten und dann auf dem Nummernblock 73 fuer ein I und 86 fuer ein V tippen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Repeated Downloads
On Monday, October 06, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: TF IMHO they have either changed their mail server software to TF something that cannot keep static UIDs or they have misconfigured TF something. Thomas, Thanks for the explanation of the process and the stab at a likely cause. -- JN Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, October 05, 2003, Vishal wrote... V Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv V footer then, instead of relying on users? Although I say this might be one good idea, it doesn't get rid of the fact that some people have huge signatures and the likes. MDP Please see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have that message stored on my machine. Any chance you could paste the text or tell me what to search for so I know what you were trying to say? I'd quote some of it, but for some reason, I'm not able to find that message. MDP (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) ummm..huh? It is a song, it appears only those from England know... I often find myself humming it for some reason, and people look at me blankly, but working in the US now, that tends to happen quite often ;) eg - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Acid bath? You're soaking in it... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA+AwUBP4D8viuD6BT4/R9zEQLdAwCfWJXCj9o+lBHGPEq2uAKkICN0GRUAlRGq rstNp29degzOf1gwiT4QqL8= =WsDV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
