Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello David,
A reminder of what David Pascoe typed on:
05 November 2003 at 07:47:21 GMT +0800
DP The VPN dialup adapter sends all traffic into my work site so TB!
DP cannot poll for mail for long periods.
Why not just turn off auto checking and do it manually when it's
convenient?
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Re: Bat Alternatives
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello rich, On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:59:23 -0500 your time, you said: rg How can I know how to set my word wrap? My rg fear Just set the wrap to 76 characters (or lower). All clients should support this. There won't be incorrect wrapping at that line length. - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k * PGP Key via Web: http://pgp.infowizard.co.uk/ PGP Key via Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faffing about with TB! v1.62r on W2K SP4 #2135. Swam Id Err Sly Quo ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Protect your Privacy with PGP. Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1 Comment: Fingerprint: 40DD 7908 9DF8 634F 1B98 8849 9266 C870 DF80 62C1 iQA/AwUBP6ohyJJmyHDfgGLBEQKg+ACfcS26vSNXX3l38PgQpNfM2kUXREsAn3MK g96iZVOAJ3KDJjjXNq6UmwYk =4X5R -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Searching with simultaneous fields
Hello Marck, ZA Is it possible to perform a search To, Subject, Body... ZA seperately in the Find Message window, like in the OE? Not currently. I hope it's on the development roadmap though. I'd like to see that added. I'd wish it was possible too. The work-around I use is using a couple of Colour Groups. I first search for example for To and on the results tab I select all messages (Ctrl+A) and right click to assign them to a special Colour Group. Then, for next search (for example Subject), on the Advanced tab I select Message colours is . A bit of a PITA, but it works. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
Hello Simon, On 6 November 2003, at 10:26 + you wrote: S Just set the wrap to 76 characters (or lower). All clients should S support this. There won't be incorrect wrapping at that line length. You know, before I set WW to 76 characters. But once I saw my received mail by recipient upon his Yahoo Web-Mailer and I was wondered because my mail was deformed like following: = Privet, Tanja. Byl rad (opjat') poluchit' ot tebja pis'mo. To chto ty ne srazu otvetila, kak ja, ehto ne ochen' strashno. Konechno, ja proverjal pochtu na protjazhenii vsego dnja cherez kazhdye 0,5-1 chasa v nadezhde, no vsjo zhe mogu ponjat', chto ehto u menja poka est' vozmozhnost' tak delat', a u kogo-to takoj vozmozhnosti mozhet i ne byt'. Verno govorju, Fedja? Vot vidish', kakoj ja ponimajushchij i chuvstvennyj molodoj chelovek :) = Something like that. I don't know why, but I guess the cause in Word Wraping so I decided to change my WW to 70. -- Best regards, Vasiliymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using: * The Bat! 2.01.26 * Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 * PGP 8.0.3 Winamp playing now: Rammstein - Ich Will - Mutter - 2001 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Options | Network Administration | No automatic dial for periodical mail checking. And with this activated, what happens when mails are checked? Antje Using The Bat! v2.01 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- | Antje Lehmann | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Antje, @6-Nov-2003, 13:32 +0100 (06-Nov 12:32 UK time) Antje Lehmann [AL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: Options | Network Administration | No automatic dial for periodical mail checking. AL And with this activated, what happens when mails are checked? Using automatic periodical checking, nothing happens *unless* you happen to be connected to the Internet at that moment. This is the best setting for opportunistic mail fetch. Using manual checking, TB connects, checks mail and (if enabled to do so) disconnects. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat Alternatives
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Vasiliy, On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:16:16 +0200 your time, you said: ...pare... VE Something like that. I don't know why, but I guess the cause in VE Word Wraping so I decided to change my WW to 70. Yes, I've seen that as well. I guess it happens when yahoo headers are applied to the messages...but I really don't know. It shouldn't though, as 76 characters is 2 characters below the recommendation in RFC822. You often see the broken wrap when someone using PGP hasn't changed their PGP wrap settings to 78, or hasn't disabled it. Before I dispensed with the PGP wrap feature I had TB! set to wrap at 76 characters and PGP at 78. It worked without a problem like that...well apart from when you entered long URIs of course, then they would break of course. That's why I stopped using PGP wrap setting and just let TB! do it. This isn't a dig at Microsoft client users, but I find that they, on the whole, seem to have problems getting to grips with wrapping their text. It would seem that some people just type until the characters dissappear off of the screen and then just hit enter to start a new line. It drives me batty actually, but then again I'm probably easily irritated ;-) - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k * PGP Key via Web: http://pgp.infowizard.co.uk/ PGP Key via Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faffing about with TB! v1.62r on W2K SP4 #1758. Ram Quid Loess Wry ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Protect your Privacy with PGP. Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1 Comment: Fingerprint: 40DD 7908 9DF8 634F 1B98 8849 9266 C870 DF80 62C1 iQA/AwUBP6paWpJmyHDfgGLBEQInfACg1bPjDSzJJ43Nct5/x8DXatWYkVkAnR/M f2/4LMQTYmeLySd0Pvf2ozRX =iam9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard wizardry
Hello Nick, On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:59:23 -0600 GMT (05/11/2003, 20:59 +0700 GMT), Nick Danger wrote: Is there any keyboard combo that will send focus to the message list pane regardless of where the current focus is? AFAIK not in native TB. I don't know what PowerPro can do, though. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. SYMPTOM: Floor blurred. FAULT: You are looking through bottom of empty glass. ACTION: Get someone to buy you another beer. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Marck, On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:06:06 + GMT (06/11/2003, 08:06 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: BD Is there a way to read messages in an off-line mode? Options | Network Administration | No automatic dial for periodical mail checking. This option is not available when you are on a LAN/Ethernet connection, only for DUN. David does not use DUN, if I understand correctly. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ladies, don't forget the rummage sale. It is a good chance to get rid of those things not worth keeping around the house. Bring your husbands. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
Hello Simon, On 6 November 2003, at 14:27 + you wrote: S Yes, I've seen that as well. I guess it happens when yahoo headers are S applied to the messages...but I really don't know. It shouldn't S though, as 76 characters is 2 characters below the recommendation in S RFC822. So, I guess this is a Yahoo peccadillo :) S That's why I stopped using PGP wrap setting and just let TB! do it. I also set off PGP wrapping and set on TB! wrapping as 70. Thus I hope that most of my recipients should do not have broken mails. -- Best regards, Vasiliymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using: * The Bat! 2.01.26 * Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 * PGP 8.0.3 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat Alternatives
ON Thursday, November 6, 2003, 3:27:35 PM, you wrote: S It drives me batty actually, but then again I'm probably easily S irritated ;-) Hi Simon, Can I recommend breathing exercises and when it works go and play golf. You haven't seen problems until you played a round of golf ;-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Things That Sound Dirty At Golf But Aren't: My hands are so sweaty I can't get a good grip Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Thomas, @6-Nov-2003, 22:37 +0700 (06-Nov 15:37 UK time) Thomas Fernandez said to Marck: Options | Network Administration | No automatic dial for periodical mail checking. This option is not available when you are on a LAN/Ethernet connection, only for DUN. David does not use DUN, if I understand correctly. Erm - then what's the problem. Either 1) the connection is permanent and the checking frequency is immaterial and there is no problem to start with or 2) the checking is forcing an unwanted connection in which case the solution is what I said. And who is David? -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Marck, On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:22:41 + GMT (06/11/2003, 23:22 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Either 1) the connection is permanent and the checking frequency is immaterial and there is no problem to start with or 2) the checking is forcing an unwanted connection in which case the solution is what I said. I don't know why Bo (the original poster) needs this. And who is David? Well. I thought he was the OP, but I only went back to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to check where this thread started. My bad! -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Um zu antworten, bitte die From-Zeile mit ROT13 bearbeiten. Danach mit MD5 hashen, zeichenweise den ASCII-Code um 2 erhoehen (mod 57) und erneut um 63 erhoehen. Dann mit der urspruenglichen Adresse x-oren. Schliesslich am Ergebnis erfreuen und so antworten wie gewohnt. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa,
A reminder of what Melissa Reese typed on:
05 November 2003 at 11:29:09 GMT -0800
MR This is something I'd really like to see as well. I have a cable
MR connection that is always on,
I can't believe your moaning about an always on connection. I've had
BB for over a year now and wouldn't be without it. I know plenty of
people who would love a BB connection.
MR I've not found a convenient way to pause all TB! polling,
There is a very simple method that I use when I want to stop The Bat!
interfering with other things I do.
MR but a one-click (and/or keyboard shortcut) solution would be
MR really nice for this.
And there is a simple One Click solution that stops TB! polling and
a simple One Click Solution that starts it polling again.
Little red cross, top right hand of the title bar. One click shuts TB!
down. Little yellow and black icon on the desktop, one click restarts
TB! again.
You may need a double click to re-start it but my PC is set up for single
clicks.
It sounds exactly like the feature your asking for and believe it or
not it does exactly what your asking it to do.
I know your talking about being able to suspend TB's on line activity
without actually shutting it down but what's the difference?
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Re: Bat Alternatives
Hello Gerard,
A reminder of what Gerard typed on:
06 November 2003 at 17:07:38 GMT +0100
G You haven't seen problems until you played a round of golf ;-)
A Round? That's what I was doing wrong! I was trying to hit it
straight. Perhaps I should try again now I know that :)
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Marck,
A reminder of what Marck D Pearlstone typed on:
06 November 2003 at 16:22:41 GMT +
MDP And who is David?
Little bloke, likes throwing stones at people.
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Re[2]: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Tony, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 11:51:12 AM, you wrote: TB Little red cross, top right hand of the title bar. How come yours is red? Mine is black x on gray background. -- Maggie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Marck, On Thursday, November 06, 2003, at 8:22:41 AM PST, you wrote: Either 1) the connection is permanent and the checking frequency is immaterial and there is no problem to start with ... Here are some of *my* concerns... I have a cable (ethernet) connection, and by default, it's always on...24/7/365. If, for any reason, I want to work offline with TB!, I have three choices (plus a fourth not-by-choice situation): 1) Go to each account (10 of them), one at a time, and manually disable periodic mail polling (then, when I want to go back to online mode, I have to go back and reverse the the process for all 10 accounts individually. 2) Stop *all* traffic with my firewall (including live chess servers, web browser, news client, etc. This can be inconvenient if TB! is the only application I want to deal with offline for the moment. 3) Unplug the cable (same effect/inconvenience of the firewall solution. 4) This last one is more frequent here in Winter, but can happen at any time. My ISP may have a problem, and my connection(s) are cut off for a period of time (I also have a backup dial-up, in case something happens with the cable, and at times, both of these will not work). Here again, I'm faced with either frequent annoying beeps, or I have to go through each account and disable/enable periodic checking. Solution 1 is not very elegant, nor are 2 and 3 for their own reasons. Finally, since I don't really want to disable entirely the error beep sound system wide, every five minutes or so I'm treated to a staggered series of 10 such annoying error beeps. The primary reasons I may want to work offline with TB! for a bit is either when I'm making a TB! backup or if I'm playing with/changing some settings that might be affected by connection issues. Since I don't know exactly what to expect if new email is downloading while the backup is in progress, I prefer to simply be offline during this procedure. This way, I know exactly where the cut-off line is between the backup and when I begin to receive new mail again. It seems to me a perfectly reasonable solution - for both DUN users who might pay for their connections by the hour or for ethernet users with a particular reason for wanting an offline option, to have a simple on/off toggle switch for the periodic mail polling. -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Thomas, This option is not available when you are on a LAN/Ethernet connection, only for DUN. David does not use DUN, if I understand correctly. If David does not use DUN, then that is a way to disable or set off-line. Change from LAN/Ethernet to DUN and have No automatic dial for periodical mail checking already selected. Then, to go back on-line, change from DUN back to LAN. I haven't tested it but should work. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Melissa, @6-Nov-2003, 09:08 -0800 (06-Nov 17:08 UK time) Melissa Reese said to Marck: Either 1) the connection is permanent and the checking frequency is immaterial and there is no problem to start with ... Here are some of *my* concerns... I have a cable (ethernet) connection, and by default, it's always on...24/7/365. If, for any reason, I want to work offline with TB!, I have three choices (plus a fourth not-by-choice situation): ... snip and a fifth: 5) Fool TB by temporarily switching your Network admin settings to DUN with the option I mentioned earlier checked. Maybe set up a dummy DUN configuration to deal with this. Then you can go on and offline by just switching between DUN and direct. I have a LAN connection here and my Periodical checking is at one minute. I've switched to DUN temporarily and it is now 5 minutes since the last check. This will do the job perfectly well. Okay, it's a workaround, but it's a goodie! ;-). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello mm,
A reminder of what mm Meister typed on:
06 November 2003 at 12:05:07 GMT -0500
mM How come yours is red? Mine is black x on gray background.
Somewhere on your monitor you should have a control to increase the
colour saturation :)
In fact mine's not a red cross, it's a white cross on a red
background.
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Tony, On Thursday, November 06, 2003, at 8:51:12 AM PST, you wrote: I can't believe your moaning about an always on connection. Was I moaning about my BB connection? Or was I saying that I felt there could/should be a way to easily toggle online/offline...without either tedious account by account settings changes or clumsy work arounds? And there is a simple One Click solution that stops TB! polling and a simple One Click Solution that starts it polling again. Little red cross, top right hand of the title bar. One click shuts TB! down. Little yellow and black icon on the desktop, one click restarts TB! again. That seems a rather flippant remark considering that some of us may find a use for working *with* TB! while in an offline mode. I've already described my reasons for doing so in other messages. In any event, why not offer us a simple toggle switch? (without the need for the still rather clumsy work around switching between DUN and LAN mode as described by others here)? Even when I used Calypso for a short while a few years ago, there was an easy pause all accounts option for stopping periodic polling. Even that abomination OE has such a work offline switch. Why shouldn't TB! offer such a simple and convenient option? -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PGP: tab in E-mail
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa,
A reminder of what Melissa Reese typed on:
06 November 2003 at 10:18:58 GMT -0800
MR That seems a rather flippant remark considering that some of us may
MR find a use for working *with* TB! while in an offline mode.
Well it wasn't meant to be. I just find it strange that someone with
an Always on connection would want to turn it off. I've had an
always on connection for over a year, TB! is always running and wether
I'm reading, writing or just browsing through my mail, auto mail
collection doesn't get in that way. All that happens is the ticker
appears top of the screen.
If it does get in the way of other activities I just close TB! down.
For example if I'm grabbing digital video, auto mail collection can
cause lost frames for the split second it takes to collect the mail.
MR In any event, why not offer us a simple toggle switch?
Maybe they're thinking the way I am. I see no reason whatsoever to
suspend auto mail collection unless it gets in the way of another
application. There is no cost issue with BB. If you have no programs
at all running it is still on If it does get in the way, just close
it. If your working with TB! then auto mail polling can be made
completely transparent other than new unread mail appearing every now
and again. It needn't interrupt what your doing at the time.
I believe you mentioned making backups? How hard is it to make your
backup in between mail collection times? I personally don't use the in
built backup facility. I use Januks .bat file to back the registry up
and Winrar to zip the whole folder up... And I have to shut TB! down
to do that. Takes a minute at most and my auto times are 5 minutes
apart. TB! doesn't even know it's been done :)
With a dial up you pay by the minute and so the ability to auto
disconnect makes financial sense. With BB, you pay a fixed price per
month wether you use it or not.
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa, Even that abomination OE has such a work offline switch. Why shouldn't TB! offer such a simple and convenient option? I fully agree. It shouldn't be that difficult to include. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa Thank you for your email dated Thursday, November 6, 2003, 5:08:45 PM, in which you wrote: MR 2) Stop *all* traffic with my firewall (including live chess servers, MRweb browser, news client, etc. Do you not have the option to block by application? -- Regards William http://www.residues.info and http://www.magiric.com Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 6:18:58 PM, you wrote: MR In any event, why not offer us a simple toggle switch? (without the MR need for the still rather clumsy work around switching between DUN and MR LAN mode as described by others here)? Even when I used Calypso for a MR short while a few years ago, there was an easy pause all accounts MR option for stopping periodic polling. Even that abomination OE has MR such a work offline switch. Why shouldn't TB! offer such a simple MR and convenient option? I agree. However, there is one other solution too. I use Mailwasher to nuke all spam before I download to TB. Consequently, all my downloads are done manually using alt-F2. Effectively, for me, TB is *always* in an offline mode. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi William, On Thursday, November 06, 2003, at 11:27:14 AM PST, you wrote: Do you not have the option to block by application? Even if I do, this would not alleviate annoyance caused by 10 error beeps every five minutes when TB! insists on polling...regardless of whether or not I've stopped traffic only to it. :-) -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP: tab in E-mail
Hi Peter, @6-Nov-2003, 13:42 -0500 (06-Nov 18:42 UK time) Peter Kerekes said: ... snip extra tab (such as I would with attachments) mainly in this group but page shows only this: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Why do I get this? This is what happens when the list server adds the message footer to a MIME encapsulated (e.g. S/MIME or PGP/MIME signed) message. It can't add it to the message body because the body is delimited by the presence of an attachment. The list server is intelligent enough to add the footer as an attachment... which is why is appears in a tab as an attachment - it is one! 2./ I have installed PGP. When I want to verify the signature and click on the top right corner, if I have the public-key it changes to a checkmark, other times I get a new tab, showing signature verified. Which disappears when I go to the next mail. Why do I get this extra tab sometimes but not other times? Difference between PGP/MIME signatures (ticked) and clear-signed messages (extra tab). ... snip ... I cannot find is Stefan, any time I try it BAT hangs up. It appears on my key-manager that he has an RSA key. Is this which causes me a problem? No idea. I use pgp.surfnet.nl for LDAP searching. Seems to work okay for me. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa Thank you for your email dated Thursday, November 6, 2003, 7:35:43 PM, in which you wrote: MR Even if I do, this would not alleviate annoyance caused by 10 error MR beeps every five minutes when TB! insists on polling I'd have thought with your background you would have turned those beeps into a tune by now :-) -- Regards William http://www.residues.info and http://www.magiric.com Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP: tab in E-mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:42:26 -0500 (1:42 PM here), Peter Kerekes [PK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PK Occasionaly I have an extra tab ... Why do I get this? The attachment is the footer that gets added to all messages posted here from the mailing list server. It shows up as an attachment on pgp/mime signed messages. This is normal. PK Why do I get this extra tab sometimes but not other times? Again the extra tab is from the mime attachment. Inlined signed messages do not display this. PK http://pgpkeys.mit.edu. (it stays here for a long time, maybe PK hangs) although I have identified other servers. I don't think it cycles the servers and only uses the first one. Somebody correct me if this is wrong. PK The only person I cannot find is Stefan, any time I try it BAT PK hangs up. It appears on my key-manager that he has an RSA key. Is PK this which causes me a problem? Some versions of pgp didn't have rsa support. You didn't specify which version of pgp you use. This link might help: http://www.mccune.cc/PGPpage2.htm#RSAsupport I'm not sure if I understand the part about Stefan's key. If you need it look below, if its on your key ring but can't be used, perhaps the url above will help. http://horowitz.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=indexsearch=0xE8101BFD - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/qqmYRbTFvUNHmLkRAoQVAKCvrd+Q9xfJfFB0CHfkYMPNu0wwkACgj6wN unBkJxZz+Hw9lL1OUyA/9aE= =zXkR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
On Thursday, November 6, 2003, 6:47:03 PM, Tony Boom wrote: Maybe they're thinking the way I am. I see no reason whatsoever to suspend auto mail collection unless it gets in the way of another application. There is no cost issue with BB. If you have no programs at all running it is still on If it does get in the way, just close it. If your working with TB! then auto mail polling can be made completely transparent other than new unread mail appearing every now and again. It needn't interrupt what your doing at the time. Maybe NTL's mail servers are more reliable than Pipex's bit short mail outages, but mail server outages, or even my ADSL connection going offline for a few minutes are some of the reasons I would like to be able to suspend mail collection for a while. It is very irritating when TB! dings (or whatever your error sound is) every few minutes when there is a problem with mail collection. I may still be working on my mail, so I don't want to close TB!, I just want it to stop trying to collect mail for a while! Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
A small cosmetic template question...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi TBUDL, I'd love to have a blank line or 2 after the mailto and the PGP Sig header... any idea how to get it there?? - -- Jim PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3-nr1 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/qrDlygKI8gBpGS4RAn4tAKDjoi87WvWyEFd4p31J7c5bv4GKpACg/MUm AsuxiBNpnrjlohbnBJQ2jzA= =6pz/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A small cosmetic template question...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jim, @6-Nov-2003, 15:36 -0500 (06-Nov 20:36 UK time) Jim Dever said to TBUDL: I'd love to have a blank line or 2 after the mailto and the PGP Sig header... any idea how to get it there?? With GnuPG using the built-in support it just isn't possible. See my sig? Well, now I usually MIME sign, but I'll clear sign this one to illustrate. I add a line with just a ' in it to provide a buffer. Empty lines do just get flushed. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3-nr1 (Windows XP) Comment: OpenPGP sealed for freshness iD8DBQE/qrPJOeQkq5KdzaARAo4LAKDKSywn8JFzQy8p2Sf82ViB9FfKSACgjb5F TstvVTB/7OQPkU1VrAmWrk4= =zoz3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Losing Subject in New Message
Hi Tbudl, I am losing the 'Subject' in New Messages. Here are my symptoms :- 1. I start a new message and enter text in the 'Subject'. 2. I click my mouse inside the message body template to begin entering the main text of the msg. 3. The Subject line changes to I forgot to put in the subject line. This is happening in version 2.01.3. It never happened in 1.62. Is this some new feature ? How do I turn it off ? Do I need to set up something in preferences ? -- Best regards, Steve Mullarkey. Berry, NSW Australia. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Julian,
A reminder of what Julian Beach (Lists) typed on:
06 November 2003 at 20:07:21 GMT +
JBL Maybe NTL's mail servers are more reliable than Pipex's
I can honestly say in the past year I've had no trouble at all with
NTL for any reason. It used to take about 10 to 15 minutes to obtain a
an IP via DHCP first thing in the morning. Chap on the phone said
don't unplug the modem at bed time. I've had no trouble since.
JBL It is very irritating when TB! dings (or whatever your error sound is)
JBL every few minutes when there is a problem with mail collection.
Just turn the sounds off. As far as I know, no error boxes pop up
(I've never seen one but I don't use Pipex :) just the odd entry in
the log.
Like I said before, I carry on using TB! regardless. The most that
happens here is I get new unread mail appearing. It's just happened
while I'm writing this but it's in the background and didn't interfere
with what I was doing in any way.
Maybe a change of ISP with a more reliable mail server would help in
cutting down on the errors. I personally don't think it's a Bat issue
but then, maybe I use mine different to you.
--
Best regards,Tony.
Using The Bat! v2.01.26 ©2ØØ3 - AWB
Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP: tab in E-mail
Hello Kevin, On 6 November 2003, at 15:05 -0500 you wrote: KC I don't think it cycles the servers and only uses the first one. KC Somebody correct me if this is wrong. AFAIK and as I observe, if signature verifying by TB! then it is NOT cycle. But if signature verifying by PGP (from PGP tray icon) then cycle are works. -- Best regards, Vasiliymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using: * The Bat! 2.01.26 * Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 * PGP 8.0.3 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A small cosmetic template question...
Hello Marck, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 3:49:10 PM, you wrote: With GnuPG using the built-in support it just isn't possible. See my sig? Well, now I usually MIME sign, but I'll clear sign this one to illustrate. I add a line with just a ' in it to provide a buffer. Empty lines do just get flushed. Ahh.. Ok.. gottcha. I was just wondering if I was missing something simple here! Thanks! (obviously still revamping templates here) lol -- Best regards, Jimmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP: tab in E-mail
On Thursday, November 06, 2003 Marck D Pearlstone stated: MDP No idea. I use pgp.surfnet.nl for LDAP searching. Seems to work okay MDP for me. Marck, I tried to verify your key from pgp.surfnet.nl (ports= no port, 11370 and 11371) and failed every time. However, I was able to get a valid key for you from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com -- Cheers Yall \\' Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Losing Subject in New Message
Hi Steve, @7-Nov-2003, 07:51 +1100 (06-Nov 20:51 UK time) Steve Mullarkey said: I am losing the 'Subject' in New Messages. Here are my symptoms :- ... snip 3. The Subject line changes to I forgot to put in the subject line. ... snip Is this some new feature ? No, it's a new way of processing templates and a new template expansion engine. How do I turn it off ? You will have to sacrifice your intelligent subject management. Every time you move from the header editing to the body editing and the body is unmodified, the template is re-evaluated. This is kicking in your custom You forgot the subject line stuff. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What is unique about TB?
I am trying to decide whether to stay with The Bat (moving back to the last version 1 version which I guess is 1.62) or whether to simply move to another email program. I find staying with Version 2 impossible because there are several mailing lists that I post to where some of my messages end up in Base 64 encoding. To make a long story short, I have checked all of my TB setting including the quotable-printable thing and I still have the problem even though I am now totally posting using plain text, fixed width font, etc. I am convinced that this is not something that I am doing. Rather it is something about how TB itself is working in version 2 that seems to cause this problem for some subset of users. I never know when the problem will occur. It is on some replies but occasionally even on new messages. I am persuaded that this is something only the developers can fix and since it is a low incidence problem (although seemingly persistent for a few of us) am doubtful it will be solved. So, I must look at alternatives. The decision is whether to step back to the lower version of TB or whether to go with another program. The difficulty I am having is that I know what features I really like about TB (and which I don't), but I no longer know which programs have those features and which are unique to TB. I know that many on this list do keep other with other mail program so would appreciate input so I can figure out which program has the best total mix of needed features: Programs I have looked at so far to a greater or lesser extent: TB, version 1.62 -- used this one before version 2 Becky -- My impression is filtering is limited Pocomail -- Like the interface a lot Pegasus -- Don't like the interface Eudora -- What I used to use up through version 4.2 and then changed to TB. Downloaded current but haven't tried yet. Mahogany -- Suggested to me but not tried yet. What is important to me: 1. Must be able to do a filter that does two things or run multiple filters to do the following: I move list mail to a folder for that list. Simultaneously, I want a copy of the message to be moved to another folder, and marked read, so that I can then maintain a complete archive of all list mails. Pocomail and Pegasus seem to be able to do this. Don't know about Eudora. Doesn't seem like Becky could do it. What can TB do on filters that no other program can do? Which program has filter abilities most similar to that of TB? 2. Must be able to handle keeping around a lot of messages. I have complete archives of mailing lists going back a few years. This is a couple of hundred thousand messages. TB can handle this. Is this unique to TB or can others? 3. I like to be able to compose and view messages using whatever font is comfortable for me. With TB version 2, I am currently limited to basically having to look at Courier all the time. Virtually all other mail programs seem superior to TB in this regard. 4. While I don't send messages in HTML, I like being able to easily read HTML messages. TB seems more limited than programs such as Pocomail and Pegasus. 5. Quick templates. I have several quick templates I like to use in TB. Is this type of thing unique to TB or do other programs have similar functionality? 6. Multiple signatures that you can automatically set up to be used with different types of messages (that is, filter A to all messages to List B and Filter C for all messages to List D). Do other programs now have this ability? 7. A minor point -- but one dear to my heart. On TB, I have a cookies file that randomly inserts selected quotes as a tagline. What other programs can do this? I think Pegasus can, but I hate its interface so much that probably isn't enough to make me go with Pegasus. Can Pocomail or Eudora or any other program do this other than TB? 8. Easy ability to search and find specific messages. Eudora, way back when, was very good with this. TB below version 2 was weak in this area. TB, version 2 is much better and this is one reason I hate to have to go back a version. Pocomail seems to work well in this regard, don't know about others. So, which programs have these features? Of those programs are there major negatives or bugs that weigh against these features. Looking at my archive I saw someone posted a negative comment about Pocomail and serious bug about 6 months ago. However, I don't know what the negatives are other than I've heard it is slow but it hasn't been slow for me the past couple of days. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Losing Subject in New Message
Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary===-==-==-=---=--==--==-=-=--=-=-=--=; protocol=application/pgp-signature; micalg=pgp-sha1 --==-==-==-=---=--==--==-=-=--=-=-=--= ON Thursday, November 6, 2003, 10:33:47 PM, you wrote: MDP You will have to sacrifice your intelligent subject management. MDP Every time you move from the header editing to the body editing and MDP the body is unmodified, the template is re-evaluated. This is MDP kicking in your custom You forgot the subject line stuff. Hi Marck, Were is this option to be found? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I may be the only golfer never to have broken a single putter; if you don't count the one I twisted and threw into a bush. Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 --==-==-==-=---=--==--==-=-=--=-=-=--= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 iQA/AwUBP6rGR1fVOfprOY8ZEQKehQCdGjf4GSDL1zn1GxdB8qKtaEIAD+AAoLzD EFVHCqr2aingKHpcqNxzJ/fq =0ce2 -END PGP MESSAGE- --==-==-==-=---=--==--==-=-=--=-=-=--=-- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Losing Subject in New Message
Hi Gerard, @6-Nov-2003, 23:08 +0100 (06-Nov 22:08 UK time) Gerard said to Marck: MDP You will have to sacrifice your intelligent subject management. MDP Every time you move from the header editing to the body editing and MDP the body is unmodified, the template is re-evaluated. This is MDP kicking in your custom You forgot the subject line stuff. Were is this option to be found? It's not an option. It would be something that Steve has composed for himself in a template using macros. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A small cosmetic template question...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jim, On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:36:41 -0500 (3:36 PM here), Jim Dever [JD] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JD I'd love to have a blank line or 2 after the mailto and the PGP JD Sig header... any idea how to get it there?? Stick a small unobtrusive character after your signature. I use a period. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/qs9bRbTFvUNHmLkRAv/5AKCvEUPiQCUMdZ3mblihmE/Q6EjmVACg8+iD WdBy/Otgsqr0UnUJpgq1IXE= =PHIm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP: tab in E-mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, On November 6, 2003, 14:46, you wrote: MDP Hi Peter, MDP @6-Nov-2003, 13:42 -0500 (06-Nov 18:42 UK time) Peter Kerekes said: MDP ... snip extra tab (such as I would with attachments) mainly in this group but page shows only this: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Why do I get this? MDP This is what happens when the list server adds the message footer to MDP a MIME encapsulated (e.g. S/MIME or PGP/MIME signed) message. It MDP can't add it to the message body because the body is delimited by MDP the presence of an attachment. The list server is intelligent enough MDP to add the footer as an attachment... which is why is appears in a MDP tab as an attachment - it is one! 2./ I have installed PGP. When I want to verify the signature and click on the top right corner, if I have the public-key it changes to a checkmark, other times I get a new tab, showing signature verified. Which disappears when I go to the next mail. Why do I get this extra tab sometimes but not other times? MDP Difference between PGP/MIME signatures (ticked) and clear-signed MDP messages (extra tab). MDP ... snip ... I cannot find is Stefan, any time I try it BAT hangs up. It appears on my key-manager that he has an RSA key. Is this which causes me a problem? MDP No idea. I use pgp.surfnet.nl for LDAP searching. Seems to work okay MDP for me. Thank you for all the replies and explanation. I tried to use S/MIME but when I get to the page:Select Certificate my name and key shows up, on view it indicates it is a valid key and in the address book, but the OK button is greyd-out and I cannot go further, only Cancel. I have no problem with in-line (OpenPGP) as you can see. I hope(?). -- Peter Using The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows 98 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBP6rQqfBCh/2iZngCEQLX3ACgrJtsZSnCFOzVnKNHdnzgBoNntgoAoMYr 5Ohtf/vug6ma2BlJJ00BqFvt =6Xnr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP: tab in E-mail
Hello Peter, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 3:52:53 PM, you wrote: PK Thank you for all the replies and explanation. moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Peter. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.01.26 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP: tab in E-mail
Hello Peter, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 3:52:53 PM, you wrote: PK -- PK Peter PK Using The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows 98 PK -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- PK Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network PK Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Peter. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.01.26 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
On Friday, 7 November 2003, at 23:35:56 [GMT +0700] you wrote:TF Hello Marck, TF On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:22:41 + GMT (06/11/2003, 23:22 +0700 GMT), TF Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Either 1) the connection is permanent and the checking frequency is immaterial and there is no problem to start with or 2) the checking is forcing an unwanted connection in which case the solution is what I said. TF I don't know why Bo (the original poster) needs this. And who is David? I assume me ! The reason is that when I load my VPN layer, I can no longer see any of the net, only the remote office network. I disconnect the VPN layer to get the internet back again. I need to connect via the VPN to see my work email (Outlook only :( and work servers. I will toggle on and off many time during a day. The idea of Outlook Express's Offline-Mode appeals to me. TF Well. I thought he was the OP, but I only went back to TF mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to check where this thread started. TF My bad! Not this thread exactly, but I did pitch in when I saw it starting again. I did try to get answer recently though, posting mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] but didn't get anything helpful. I just realised I missed a `not' in my original email, which changes the meaning of my question quite a lot... cheers, davidp. -- David Pascoe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Western Australia Using The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is unique about TB?
Hi Kitty, Having an unreasonably severe curiosity when it comes to email clients and text editors, I've tried and/or used/purchased several of the choices you've mentioned here (and several more as well!). To date, TB! always has been, and remains (in my very biased opinion), the best of the best! :-) I'll make short comments below... On Thursday, November 06, 2003, at 1:47:50 PM PST, you wrote: TB, version 1.62 -- used this one before version 2 I feel this is a good choice for you considering your current troubles with v2. I'm one of those *not* experiencing any such problems, so while I feel really bad for what you and a few others are experiencing, I can't offer any constructive ideas at this point. Becky -- My impression is filtering is limited I own Becky as well, and while I do like it, and think it's quite powerful, I still prefer TB! over Becky (even a 1.6.x version of TB! would be my choice over the latest Becky). Considering my personal bias, I will say that Becky is, relative to other non-TB! email clients, a *relatively* close second to TB! (but second nonetheless). Pocomail -- Like the interface a lot Before I started using TB!, Pocomail was my default mailer for about a year. I still own it, and keep my copy updated. Lots of good ideas in it. Though I haven't had time to play around with v3 too much yet, the little I have looked into so far tells me that plain text handling is still not quite ready for prime time. Also...Pocomail has always displayed too much buggy behavior in general for my tolerances. The last truly stable Pocomail was, to my mind, v2.11. Pegasus -- Don't like the interface Nor do I. Pegasus can be powerful in its own way (not anywhere near the power of TB!), but I just really dislike dealing with it. :-) Eudora -- What I used to use up through version 4.2 and then changed to TB. Downloaded current but haven't tried yet. The couple times I've tried Eudora, I ran the other way in a hurry. I really dislike Eudora (more than I dislike Pegasus!). Mahogany -- Suggested to me but not tried yet. I haven't looked at Mahogany in quite a while, but it was one of the clients I went through before finally deciding on TB!. Obviously, for my tastes, it didn't make the grade, and was quickly forgotten. My conclusion: Stick with TB!, and for the time being, until someone can sort out the issue you're having with v2, go back to v1.6x. Good luck! -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is unique about TB?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Kitty, On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:47:50 -0600 your time, you said: K So, I must look at alternatives. I really think you'd be making a mistake Kitty. If you are having problems with v2 at the moment stick with The Bat! v1.62r for the time being and try a later v2 build. I'm using v1.62r and am very happy with it. I will eventually switch to v2 (especially as I've paid for a new licence for it) but I don't have any great urgency at the moment as 1.62r works flawlessly for me. It's up to you what you do of course, and you must obviously choose what's best for you, but I've done the email client circuit (tried hundreds of clients) and there's nothing that really matches up to TB! available. If you want to save yourself a load of headaches and get on with mailing just go back to 1.62r and hang on a while...well that's my advice :-) - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k * PGP Key via Web: http://pgp.infowizard.co.uk/ PGP Key via Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faffing about with TB! v1.62r on W2K SP4 #2031. Mawr Squid Ore Sly ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Protect your Privacy with PGP. Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1 Comment: Fingerprint: 40DD 7908 9DF8 634F 1B98 8849 9266 C870 DF80 62C1 iQA/AwUBP6r9KJJmyHDfgGLBEQJo+wCfXSfTwBmYjzWlmMjtS5ZnE+zwCL4AoMKN hR0nceMb3MfhtYW9DMc0fzo+ =yzhi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Junk folder
Where is the junk folder? Or, what is a junk folder? Will it be created automatically by a spam plugin like BayesIt? Can it exist as a Common Folder? Can it have any name I choose? Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
