nod32 plugin for The Bat! ??

2004-02-01 Thread S J Love
Dear tbudl,

I searched the knowledge database and couldn't get an answer on where
to get the NOD32 plugin for The Bat!

Previously I have used AVG...and its TheBat! plugin -with no
worries...but I thought I would try NOD32 - though not a
freebie...because it seems to be a better AV program and gets some
trojans too??   (I am resisting  paying for a 'proper' anti-trojan
program at present...)

Anyway ...is there a NOD32 plugin?

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Re: thread sorting

2004-02-01 Thread ken green
Dan Perez wrote:
 Yes I see what you mean now. I have my threads sorted by Subject so my
 suggestion works that way,

Do you mean you are *sorting* by Subject AND threading by subject?  (I
assume yes, as this would make the most sense).  The only time I use a
sort by subject is for reference folders where new messages are rarely
added.

If you have a lot of mail (many threads), and are sorting by subject,
how do you follow topics of interest?  How would you know when new posts
are made to the threads you want to watch?  Do you use color groups?


  but when I sort by Reference (What is
 reference anyways?) I can see that it does not work then.

If you mean *thread* by reference, that refers to message ids.  When you
post new a message to TBUDL, there is a message ID associated with that.
When I reply to your message, it will be connected to your post -
regardless of what I make the subject line.

Sometimes people will select a message in a mailing list, hit Reply and
create a new post to the list that has nothing to do with the message
they selected.  Aside from being lazy, this is inconsiderate of those
who thread by reference, because now you have a new topic attached to
the message id of an irrelevant post.

Threading by subject literally takes the subject line and groups
messages that way.  Because of the different implementations of showing
a reply (RE) you can get mixed results.

While threading by reference and threading by subject can often show
similar results, they are acting on different things.  The Bat (and many
people) consider threading by Reference the standard.

There are many people on this list that could probably do a much better
job at explaining this.



 Maybe this is a bug?

Well, I don't know.  I may be misinterpreting how threading works, and
how threads are sorted.  It would be great if threads were sorted based
on most recent post, but perhaps that's too much overhead (requiring a
re-scan of all messages every time new mail arrives)?

Then again, maybe it's supposed to work the way I want?

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Re: Export of messages and address books

2004-02-01 Thread Mary R Bull
Hello Thomas!

On Saturday, January 31, 2004, 9:55 PM, you wrote:

MRB I've been lurking on tbbeta and saw a couple of hours or so ago that beta 51
MRB is available to download. Message ID, from Stefan:

TF [EMAIL PROTECTED]

TF mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

TF Type mid:; in front of the message ID and it becomes clickable. Try
TF clicking on both strings above and watch the different behaviour of
TF TB. ;-)

Ah. No wonder you guys find this so useful. Avoids a world of quoting.
:) But, of course, I had to tell the dialogue window to look in
tbbeta, the folder where that message is stored.

So I may not have been much help to Mogens, unless he saves his tbbeta
messages in a folder. Oh, well, he can always search the tbbeta
archives for beta 51.

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Re: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!

2004-02-01 Thread Deborah W
On Saturday, January 31, 2004, 10:39:51 PM, ken green wrote:

kg Outlook's Mail Ticker ... err... small window that appears when
kg new messages arrive does have one nice feature: it automatically
kg fades out. That might be a good consideration for a future mail
kg ticker option.

TB's mail ticker can be set to only show messages of a certain
age-range. That seems to me to be more useful than one that simply
fades out after a specified time :-)

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Re:nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread Clive Taylor
 Anyway ...is there a NOD32 plugin?

Not for v2 — and you don’t need one anyway, because NOD32 will
intercept infected mail at a system level and, believe me, you WILL
get a notification if there’s a virus in your mail!

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Re[2]: thread sorting

2004-02-01 Thread Dan Perez
Hello Ken,

Saturday, January 31, 2004, 9:12:23 PM, you wrote:


... snip ...

kg Do you mean you are *sorting* by Subject AND threading by subject?  (I
kg assume yes, as this would make the most sense).  The only time I use a
kg sort by subject is for reference folders where new messages are rarely
kg added.

Sorry, I definitely wasn't being very clear :(

I have set View Threads by Subject and Sort by Received Time so
anything new would bring its corresponding thread to the top of the
list. But now I understand (thanks to your explanation of the
Reference thingy) why some threads are broken. All in all, though,
it seems to work okay for me to keep these settings by default.

I haven't started using color groups yet (I am pretty new to the bat)
but it should be a useful feature I think.

Many thanks for the explanations :)

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difference in pgp/gpg signing

2004-02-01 Thread Henk de Bruijn
Hello TBUDL

How do I organize that in one group The Bat! automaticly signs the
whole text (inline) and in another group also automaticly signs but
not inline.

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Re[3]: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk

2004-02-01 Thread Jean Site
Hello Dan,

Friday, January 30, 2004, 6:07:40 AM, you wrote:

DP Hello dAniel,

DP Thursday, January 29, 2004, 8:46:45 PM, you wrote:


DP ... snip ...



dh How would that look like? I've tried, but did not manage to get an
dh extra newline at the end:

dh .-[ snipper QT ]-
dh |
dh | [snip]
dh | 
dh | %REM='new line above'
dh '---

dh I also tried %- in the last line. Using %CURSOR there will put the
dh cursor down too many rows..

DP Hmmm, how about...

DP .-[ snipper QT ]-
DP |
DP | [snip]
DP |
DP | %CURSOR
DP '---





You wrote

.-[ snipper QT ]-
|
| [snip]
|
| %CURSOR
'---

Is snipper QT stands for QT'Title?

What is the meaning of snip? 
Is it a free text?

Thanks for help



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Re: nod32 plugin for The Bat! ??

2004-02-01 Thread Gerda Ilmer
Hello S  J Love,

zondag 1 februari 2004, 5:53:42, you wrote:

SJL Anyway ...is there a NOD32 plugin?

Yes there is, you can find it here (site is in German)
http://www.thebatworld.de/modules/download/index.php?op=viewlinkdetailslid=33ttitle=Nod_32

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Re[4]: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk

2004-02-01 Thread Dan Perez
Hello Jean,

Sunday, February 1, 2004, 12:48:53 AM, you wrote:

... snip ...

JS .-[ snipper QT ]-
JS |
JS | [snip]
JS |
JS | %CURSOR
JS '---

JS Is snipper QT stands for QT'Title?

JS What is the meaning of snip? 
JS Is it a free text?

JS Thanks for help

Snipper QT here is just a somewhat arbitrary name for the Quick
Template we are discussing (and which was shown just below inside the
boxed frame). It can actually be anything you like.

Snip means cut and when used within emails it is meant to show
that part of the message being replied to has been cut out from the
reply as it is not relevant to the reply (and to save space and make
it easier to read)

Hope this helps :)


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Re: difference in pgp/gpg signing

2004-02-01 Thread Allie Martin
Henk De Bruijn, [HDB] wrote:

HDB How do I organize that in one group The Bat! automaticly signs the
HDB whole text (inline) and in another group also automaticly signs but
HDB not inline.

With template macros.

For inline signing, use:

%Signcomplete %nopgpmime


For pgp/mime signing, use:

%Signcomplete %pgpmime

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Re: nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread Carsten Thönges
* Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Anyway ...is there a NOD32 plugin?

 Not for v2 ? and you don?t need one anyway, because NOD32 will
 intercept infected mail at a system level and, believe me, you WILL
 get a notification if there?s a virus in your mail!

I don't believe you because even NOD32 does not detect /new/
viruses. IMHO this is an important fact many users seem to forget
these days.

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Re:nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread Clive Taylor
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Hi Carsten,

 I don't believe you because even NOD32 does not detect /new/
 viruses. IMHO this is an important fact many users seem to forget
 these days

What do you mean NOD32 does not detect new viruses? It's one of the
best out there at detecting viruses and updating itself against new
threats. It's proven - especiall“ here in the past few days with the
MyDoom worm.

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Re:nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread Clive Taylor
Well, what happened there? The first message wouldn’t go. TB froze and
I had to ctrl Alt Del. When I sent again, it went twice.

Still, my comments were worth making twice!

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Re[2]: nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Carsten,

Sunday, February 1, 2004, 10:13:53 AM, you wrote:

CT I don't believe you because even NOD32 does not detect /new/
CT viruses. IMHO this is an important fact many users seem to forget
CT these days.

Of course it is possible that I am mistaken, or that there is something that
I did forget/not see yet. That being said:

Although my PC-Cillin had caught every single virus that came in, I tried out
Nod32 after joining this list. I bought it and tested the plugin as well.

Since version 2 of Nod32 there is little use left for it (the plugin), unless
you want to add completely useless information like This mail has been
scanned with... or you absolutely want to slow down the transfer of messages.

I still have two scanners running, PC-Cillin and Nod32. But since Nod32 comes
first in line, PC-Cillin hasn't caught anything, unless I deliberatly wanted
it to (for testing purposes); everything has been caught by Nod32.

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Re[2]: nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread Bill Blinn - Technology Editor
At 6:53 AM on 2/1/2004, Clive Taylor typed ...

C What do you mean NOD32 does not detect new viruses? It's one of the
C best out there at detecting viruses and updating itself against new
C threats. It's proven - especiall“ here in the past few days with the
C MyDoom worm.

NO antivirus program detects all new viruses. From the time a virus or
worm is seen in the wild, it is often 24 hours or more before the AV
companies identify it, react, add it to the definitions file, and make
an update ready. Depending entirely on anybody's AV program is not a
good idea.


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Re:nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread Clive Taylor
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Hi Bill,

 NO antivirus program detects all new viruses.

I agree, Bill. My post was a reply to Carsten’s strange comment that
NOD32 does not detect new viruses. No more, no less.

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Re[5]: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk

2004-02-01 Thread Jean Site
Hello Dan,



DP Hope this helps :)

Thanks it helps.

A question more. The last.

JS .-[ snipper QT ]-
JS |
JS | [snip]  What can I place here? Stroke a key? Write text?
JS |
JS | %CURSOR
JS '---




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Re[2]: nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hello Clive,

Sunday, February 1, 2004, 10:05:59 AM, you wrote:

CT Not for v2


If I remember this right, NOD32 developers already have the
BAV specification... Anyway, nothing was changed here comparing to v1

CT — and you don’t need one anyway, because NOD32 will intercept
CT infected mail at a system level and, believe me, you WILL get a
CT notification if there’s a virus in your mail!

What about secured connections?


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Re[3]: nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all,
Sunday, February 1, 2004, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

 If I remember this right, NOD32 developers already have the
 BAV specification... Anyway, nothing was changed here comparing to v1

Yes, they have it, but as they told me in October 2003 on Invex
tradefair, they do not plan it in the near future :-(

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Re: Bayesit: Sound on sucessful catch of Junk

2004-02-01 Thread dAniel hAhler
Hello bats,

on Wed, 28. Jan 2004 at 09:18:49 + Stuart Hemming wrote:

SH Thanks for that.
SH I think that it it the fact that is the error sound that bothers me.

btw: this is
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001813


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Re[6]: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk

2004-02-01 Thread Dan Perez
Hello Jean,

Sunday, February 1, 2004, 10:57:44 AM, you wrote:

... snip ...

JS A question more. The last.

JS .-[ snipper QT ]-
JS |
JS | [snip]  What can I place here? Stroke a key? Write text?
JS |
JS | %CURSOR
JS '---

Where it says [snip] that is text of your own choosing, it can be
anything though the idea is that it would be some indication to the
reader that something was cut out of the original message there, so
you can have just three dots if you prefer. (As you see, I have in
mine ... snip ..., but it can be anything)

With regard to the %CURSOR, it was established that that does not
work well in the current implementation of the bat (it was placed there to put an
extra blank line after the snip indicator) so as others wrote it is
best just to leave that command out and manually adjust the line feeds
yourself

:)

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Re[2]: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!

2004-02-01 Thread Constantin Tanurkov
Hello,

Saturday, January 31, 2004, 5:28:33 AM, you wrote:

Marck No. They're written in sort-of English by Moldovans and then some of
Marck it is translated to real English by me g. Although some of the
Marck help is really great, it has too many sections that aren't.

The information about new features in v2 was originally written by me,
and as far as I remember there was no enough time for improvement by
Mark before the release date. Feel free to send me all the critics
about this part.

In fact, guys in Ritlabs speak Russian (not Moldovan). My sort-of
English is Bulgarian, though this fact doesn't make help files more
readable... Anyway, you can expect better English in the future,
as help is under improvement process for some time past.

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Re: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!

2004-02-01 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Constantin,

Sunday, February 1, 2004, 2:11:44 PM, Constantin Tanurkov wrote:

CT Anyway, you can expect better English in the future,
CT as help is under improvement process for some time past.

Great to hear it.

As for the PC Mag article IMHO not a very *objective* article. From the
wording I would say the article is geared to low end users. I use to get
the magazine many years ago, but dropped the subscription because of the
lack of objectivity. When I say *objective* I mean they are evaluating
products of their advertising customers. It is kind of difficult to bite
the hand that feeds you.

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Re: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!

2004-02-01 Thread Chris
On Sunday, February 1, 2004 at 3:28:57 PM, Greg Strong wrote in the
message PC Mag Review Of The Bat!
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I use to get the magazine many years ago, but dropped the
 subscription because of the lack of objectivity.
What, if anything, do you read now?

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Re: nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread Carsten Thönges
* Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Hi Carsten,

 I don't believe you because even NOD32 does not detect /new/
 viruses. IMHO this is an important fact many users seem to forget
 these days

 What do you mean NOD32 does not detect new viruses?

I mean virus scanners don't detect unknown viruses.

This web page is in German but it shows in detail how quickly AV
companies provided virus definitions for ...

Win32/Bagle worm: http://www.pcwelt.de/news/viren_bugs/37070/2.html
Win32/Xombe trojan horse: http://www.pcwelt.de/news/viren_bugs/37070/3.html

And here's something very nice from Symantec: 

  http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/refa.html#iudefs

| Virus Definitions (Intelligent UpdaterTM) 
| 
| [...] The virus definitions are posted on U.S. business days (Monday
| through Friday) and can be downloaded from the Symantec Security
| Response Web site and manually installed.
| 
| [...]
| 
| Home users: While it is possible, it is not absolutely necessary for
| you to download and install the Intelligent Updater definitions
| daily. [...]

Interesting.

Now see how quickly the latest worms spread over the internet and
compare that to the delay of virus definition updates.

 It's one of the
 best out there at detecting viruses and updating itself against new
 threats.

I think you are absolutely right (although I don't know NOD32).

The question is: is »one of the best« or even »the best« enough to
prevent such worm floods in the future. The answer is: no.

Users have to be educated *not* *to* *trust* their anti virus
tools. There always is a time frame from several hours to two or
more days when these tools are unable to find brand new malware.

Another question: is this really a problem?

I see much too many people trusting their AV tools ultimately
telling me »how on earth can this e-mail contain malware when my
virus scanner keeps quiet?« Those users have to learn how to detect
dangerous mail content with their eyes only. I think this is
possible.

To make it short, I think todays mail worm are not at all a
technical problem but an educational one.

It's proven - especiall? here in the past few days with the
 MyDoom worm.

MyDoom prooves only one thing: users are not very, erm, clever or
use the wrong mail client ... ;-)

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mailto: link craziness

2004-02-01 Thread ken green
I remember this problem a long time ago, and I remember figuring it out
and fixing it. But now I don't remember what I did.

When I click a mailto: link on a webpage (IE 6) I get about 30 IE
windows that pop up - and no new message in The Bat.

I had this problem a long, long time ago when I first installed The Bat.
I haven't had it since then, but my recent upgrade/downgrade/re-install
obviously tripped something up.

Anyone know what setting causes this?

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Re: download slowdown

2004-02-01 Thread Chris
On Sunday, February 1, 2004 at 9:53:02 PM, achdut wrote in the message
download slowdown mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I first defragmented the hard drive and then compressed all folders
 in The Bat.
You should now defragment again because your HUGE message base files
are now quite a bit smaller than before.

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Re[2]: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!

2004-02-01 Thread Miles Johnson
 I use to get the magazine many years ago, but dropped the
 subscription because of the lack of objectivity.
C What, if anything, do you read now?
I second what Greg wrote. Same here exactly.

Aside from Fred Langa's remarkable newsletter (www.langa.com) which has saved
our butts so may times over the years at my work (and is easily worth the
$11 per YEAR subscription IMHO) I now read Maximum PC, quite possibly the
only print publication out there that really tells it like it is. A bit
geeky, but often funny, and if it sucks they don't sugar-coat it... Always a
pleasure to read. Don't buy it off the news shelf though, because it's 7 or
8 bucks, versus 12 bucks for a whole year subscription!
 
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Re[2]: download slowdown

2004-02-01 Thread achdut
Hello Chris,

Sunday, February 1, 2004, 9:02:23 PM, you wrote:

C On Sunday, February 1, 2004 at 9:53:02 PM, achdut wrote in the message
C download slowdown mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I first defragmented the hard drive and then compressed all folders
 in The Bat.
C You should now defragment again because your HUGE message base files
C are now quite a bit smaller than before.

I would have thought it was necessary, too.  However, when I did an
analysis (provided by Win XP's defrag tool), the report I got back said that it wasn't 
necessary,
with total fragmentation at only 3% and file fragmentation at 6%.
Of course, there is no harm done in defragmenting, but I'll put that
off until after some important work is completed.

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Langa List WAS: Re[3]: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!

2004-02-01 Thread P.Johnson
On Sunday, February 1, 2004, 11:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MJ Aside from Fred Langa's remarkable newsletter
MJ (www.langa.com) which has saved
MJ our butts so may times over the years at my work (and is easily worth the
MJ $11 per YEAR subscription IMHO)

I just wanted to point out that the Langa List is also available
in a free version; the Plus edition (to which I just subscribed)
is ad-free and has extra articles. I would also recommend it very
highly (it has excellent info for all levels of expertise).

-- 

Pat

A Canadian in Houston
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Re: nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

2004-02-01 Thread William Moore
Hello Carsten

Thank you for your email dated Sunday, February 1, 2004, 5:44:39 PM,
in which you wrote:

 What do you mean NOD32 does not detect new viruses?

CT I mean virus scanners don't detect unknown viruses.

Unless they are caught by Nod's heuristic detection.

-- 

Regards
William

http://www.residues.info 

Flying with The Bat!  www.ritlabs.com/the_bat
Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4




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Re: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!

2004-02-01 Thread Deborah W
On Monday, February 2, 2004, 4:34:25 AM, Miles Johnson wrote:

MJ Aside from Fred Langa's remarkable newsletter (www.langa.com)
MJ which has saved our butts so may times over the years at my work
MJ (and is easily worth the $11 per YEAR subscription IMHO)

He's the one who claims that 40% of emails don't get to their
recipients, right? (But his test involved sending out emails from an
unknown name  address with the subject lines Hi and Follow-up -
maybe the people who volunteered for it are more sensible than he gave
them credit for G)

-- 
Deborah

Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo.



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