Re[2]: attachment icon

[rich gregory]

TF> Hello rich,

TF> On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:43:50 -0500 GMT (12/02/2004, 12:43 +0700 GMT),
TF> rich gregory wrote:

>> I'll press the down arrow to go thru and preview the new mssgs then,
>> when I get to the mssg w/ the attachment icon, it disappears, even
>> though the message does indeed have an attachent and I can open it
>> from the icon in the preview pane.

>> Can anyone please tell me if this sounds familiar?

TF> No, it doesn't sound familiar. Which TB version are you using?

The latest CE download

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Re[3]: Passworrd Change

[Lynn]

Thursday, February 12, 2004, 9:55:14 AM, you wrote:

D> Did you have any luck finding this program?  I searched the TBUD
D> archives using "DeBat" as the argument and came up with a list of
D> messages that contained ...de/bat ... .de being part of a domain name.
D> No luck on a standalone program named DeBat though.

D> Searched using Google ... came up with a bunch of
D> "debate" web sites, poster sites, and multiple Danish
D> web sites which I was not able to interpret. Oh well
D> ...

D> If you did have any luck finding the program, I would
D> appreciate you letting me know where.

D> Thanks in advance.

I didn't search, the person who suggested it sent it to
me.

Email me privately, and I'll pass it on to you :-)

Lynn

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Re: TB!'s Icon

[Peter Olsen]

Hello Joseph,

JN> TB!'s desktop icon choices seem to be embedded in the executable.  Is
JN> there a place to find the bitmaps themselves, so I can use it in my
JN> IBM Word Pro word processing app to launch TB!?

Try www.wincustomize.com, select Object Dock from the library to the
left and search for the bat. There are a few nice icons for Object
Dock in PNG format, which you can use.


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Re: Selected quote in reply

[Dan Perez]

Hello P.Johnson,

Thursday, February 12, 2004, 4:18:07 PM, you wrote:

PJ> Hello all,

PJ> Could someone please remind me of the key sequence to include
PJ> only selected (highlighted) text in the quote of a reply? Sorry
PJ> to be so dim yet again. (:-)


Highlight the text you want and press 'F4' ;)

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Selected quote in reply

[P.Johnson]

Hello all,

Could someone please remind me of the key sequence to include
only selected (highlighted) text in the quote of a reply? Sorry
to be so dim yet again. (:-)

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Re: TB!'s Icon

[Chris]

Joseph N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> @ 12-Feb-2004 4:58:13 PM
"TB!'s Icon" 

> TB!'s desktop icon choices seem to be embedded in the executable. Is
> there a place to find the bitmaps themselves, so I can use it in my
> IBM Word Pro word processing app to launch TB!?

You will need to use a resource editor program to extract the icons
from the EXE. I can do this for you if you want me to. E-mail me and
tell me where to send the file(s).

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Re: disk space, was: Re[2]: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)

[Chris]

Antje Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> @ 12-Feb-2004 1:25:55 PM
"disk space, was: Re[2]: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)" 

> before I found out about the maintenance feature I had loads
> of MBs occupied by TB! without even knowing it was TB!... after the
> first clean-up (purge old messages, remove deleted messages) I think I
> had appr. 100 MB of disk space recovered. Now I do the maintenance
> thing every once in a while, but I'm still wondering why exactly I
> need to do that. Does that have to do with making deleted data
> reversible, maybe?
When you delete a message in The Bat!, it is only marked as deleted in
the index file (the .TBI file). This has a number of benefits:
* Messages can be deleted quickly.
* Deleted messages can be restored.
* The "Move" function can be safer. It copies then deletes. If any
part fails, the message still exists.

When you compress, The Bat! reads the index file and removes any
messages not in it from the message base (the .TBB files). That is
why, after a couple of months of use, compressing can save so much
space. Every time you use a "move" filter, a duplicate copy exists in
the Inbox until you compress. Your deleted messages also exist until
you compress.

NB: The message may be marked as deleted in the message base also. To
test this theory, delete a message but do not compress. Then, after
making the proper backups, delete the index files. Re-open The Bat!
and see if the deleted message reappears. If it does, it was only
marked as deleted in the index file and not the message base.

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Re: TB!'s Icon

[Stefan Riegler]

Hello List! Hi Joseph N.,
on 12.02.2004 at 22:58 [GMT -0600] you wrote:

> TB!'s desktop icon choices seem to be embedded in the executable. Is
> there a place to find the bitmaps themselves,
[...]

Use Icon Extractor to extract the icon from the executable and save as
bitmap. (Freeware)

hp : http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jaesenj/software/software.html
dl : http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jaesenj/downloads/jsie.exe
scr: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jaesenj/software/screenshots/JSIconEx.gif

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TB!'s Icon

[Joseph N.]

TB!'s desktop icon choices seem to be embedded in the executable.  Is
there a place to find the bitmaps themselves, so I can use it in my
IBM Word Pro word processing app to launch TB!?

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strange encodings

[MikeD (3)]

Hello all,

I have had something strange happen twice now, so I thought I would
ask and see if anyone has any ideas.

I am subscribed to a mail list much like this one.  Twice now when I
have replied to emails from the list (going back to the list), the
messages ended up being in "base-64" plain text instead of 8-bit plain
text.

It happened the first time many months ago when I was using an older
version (ver 1.46 IIRC) and then again just yesterday.  I sent out
three replies to the list and only the middle one had the problem.  So
I am guessing it has something to do with the original message.  But I
did not get any indication that the message I was replying to was
anything other than plain text.

Can anyone offer some insight into 1.) why this happens, 2.) how I can
prevent it ... or at least detect when it is happening.

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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Onno,

Thursday, February 12, 2004, 1:37:52 PM, you wrote:
OB> Now *that*'s a terrific idea! Will do that shortly... It does not
OB> only properly solve the cut mark problem, but also makes life a
OB> bit easier ;-) Thanks a lot!

Great! Looking forward to seeing proper cutlines from you soon! ;-)

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Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Onno Broekmans]

On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote:

LG> What I did was create a text file that is actually my sig, then
LG> used the %PUT macro. i.e.

LG> %PUT="L:\Program Files\The Bat!\templates\TBsig.txt"

Hi Leif,

Now *that*'s a terrific idea! Will do that shortly... It does not only
properly solve the cut mark problem, but also makes life a bit easier
;-) Thanks a lot!

Regards,

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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Onno,

Thursday, February 12, 2004, 11:19:37 AM, you wrote:
OB> Well, hereby a message with a cutmark-test to see if it works when
OB> doing it manually from the message editor. If it does, then
OB> perhaps I should try to fix my template... Btw, any idea if
OB> setting a template for a parent folder also sets that template for
OB> the folders in it? Or if there's a quick way to apply one template
OB> to multiple folders simultaneously?

It worked fine. See, you just had to believe in me! 

What I did was create a text file that is actually my sig, then used
the %PUT macro. i.e.

%PUT="L:\Program Files\The Bat!\templates\TBsig.txt"

You can create as many different sig text files as you want, and then
you only have to modify them once to affect any number of folders.
BTW, my .txt file for each sig is where the "-- " cutline is... i.e.

The contents of my TBsig.txt file is as follows.

***
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Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME 
%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION
Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB

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Re: Sorting Office/Filters

[Antje Lehmann]

Hi,

Peter Zhigulin wrote:

> Good day, sirs.

Even though I'm not a sir I'll try anyway ;-))

> I have some questions about Sorting Office. I clearly understand
> Incoming, Putgoing and Selective Download filter< when they are
> applied and for what reasons. But there are two options that confuse
> me a bit. It has an option to set up "read mail" filter. When The
> Bat applies it? > Will be it applied when I manualy mark message as
> read

I just tried it and it seems TB does that as soon as an e-mail that
corresponds the filter settings is marked read (when I tried it it
worked only when is was marked automatically).

> or - yes I have such cases - it should be deleted at ince as
> soon as I have noticed them?

Well, you can set up a filter to process certain incoming mails to go
directly to the trash folder, or even to be deleted right away, but
in that case you should be pretty sure you don't want to take a quick
look at them before they are gone. Look through the filter action tab
in the sorting office to learn which options are available (gosh, I've
written to many user documentations lately... I already sound like one
myself :-) ).

> It has an option to set up "replied mail" filter. When The Bat
> applies it? As soon as hit reply button|kb shortcut, or message must
> be sent away&

As soon as the reply is sent, because only then will the original
message be marked "replied".

> Does they - filter - will be applied for the replies themself?

They shouldn't be as the option is called "replied mail", i.e. mail
that you have replied to.

> And thу questions. For now I'm using Incoming and Outgoing
> filters, and Selective download a bit (he-hem I have about 15
> thousands mail-error reports).

Dude, is someone using your address for spammning? :-)

> Is there any way to avoid duplicates. i.e. There're a lot of messges
> [...]
> After that I have four messages in `hostmaster` folder -
> "number 1" - outgoing copy - "number 2" - outgoing copy - "number 1"
> - incoming copy - "number 2" - incoming copy

I don't get this exactly *confused*, but I think what you need to do
is to run "kill duplicates" in the folder menu. Even though it's
probably kind of annoying to do that all the time. I don't know that
there is an automated feature for this, but I could be wrong here.

> How could I avoid this situation and have only
>  - "number  1" - outgoing copy
>  - "number  2" - outgoing copy
> or
>  - "number  1" - outgoing copy
>  - "number  2" - incoming copy

> And, of course, I need all incoming mail not writen by me and
> directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] processed by Incoming filter and
> moved to `hostmaster` folder

> Any ideas?

You mean without having your own messages moved to that folder, too?
Try to set up a filter for all messages sent to that address, moving
them to the desired folder, and then create a new filter to sort out
the messages written by yourself and putting them somewhere else. Make
this filter the first in your list and activate "continue with other
filters" (sorry, I don't have the English version of TB, hope my
translation is close to the original wording) in the filter's options
tab. Should work!


Antje

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Re[2]: Contact icon colors

[Stan Robins]

On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 8:42:07 AM, I received a message,
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
in which you wrote:

(Text not relevant to my reply may have been snipped.) 

> Dear Stan,

> @11-Feb-2004, 08:37 -0600 (11-Feb 14:37 UK time) Stan Robins [SR] in
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

SR>> I hate to bother the list for a seemingly trivial question, but
SR>> what do the colors of the icons for address book icons
SR>> represent?

> To put it bluntly - Sex!

> Blue - Boy
> Pink - Girl (well, red really(
> Grey - Unspecified

Very interesting. I didn't detect the pattern. I thought maybe there
was something urgent about those red contacts that I was missing. 8^)

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Templates for multiple folders (was: Re: Mod: Cut mark)

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Onno,

on Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:19:37 +0100GMT, you wrote:

OB> Well, hereby a message with a cutmark-test to see if it works when
OB> doing it manually from the message editor. If it does, then perhaps I
OB> should try to fix my template...

It works ok now. :-)

OB> Btw, any idea if setting a template for a parent folder also sets
OB> that template for the folders in it? Or if there's a quick way to
OB> apply one template to multiple folders simultaneously?

The easiest way I have found as yet is to use a Quick Template. Once
created, I can use it with %QINCLUDE in any folder. I still have to
paste the macro to each folder manually, but this is a minor one time
hassle in my view... *S*

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Sorting Office/Filters

[Peter Zhigulin]

Good day, sirs.

I   have   some questions about Sorting Office. I clearly understand Incoming,
Putgoing  and  Selective  Download  filter< when they are applied and for what
reasons. But there are two options that confuse me a bit.
It  has  an option to set up "read mail" filter. When The Bat applies it? Will
be it applied when I manualy mark message as read or - yes I have such cases -
it should be deleted at ince as soon as I have noticed them?
It   has   an option to set up "replied mail" filter. When The Bat applies it?
As  soon  as  hit reply button|kb shortcut, or message must be sent away& Does
they - filter - will be applied for the replies themself?
And  thу  questions.  For  now   I'm  using Incoming and Outgoing filters, and
Selective  download  a  bit  (he-hem  I  have  about  15  thousands mail-error
reports). Is there any way to avoid duplicates. i.e. There're a lot of messges
addressed  to [EMAIL PROTECTED], it's simple to separate them - Incomming
Filter  for  Receipent  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then another one,  I'm writing
messages to the same address [EMAIL PROTECTED], it's a mail-list where I'm
included,  often I need BCC: field filled with address wich should be known to
me  in  the  future.  That's  why  here  comes  Outgoing  filter for Receipent
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Now  I'msending two messages to this address, message
"number  1"  with BCC field and "number 2" without BCC fiels. Both of them are
processed  by  Outgoing filter and soon they arrived again and processed by my
Incoming filter. After that I have four messages in `hostmaster` folder
 - "number  1" - outgoing copy
 - "number  2" - outgoing copy
 - "number  1" - incoming copy
 - "number  2" - incoming copy

How could I avoid this situation and have only
 - "number  1" - outgoing copy
 - "number  2" - outgoing copy
or
 - "number  1" - outgoing copy
 - "number  2" - incoming copy

And,  of  course,  I  need  all incoming mail not writen by me and directed to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] processed by Incoming filter and moved to `hostmaster` folder

Any ideas?


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Re: "\" before parenthesis on reply in "TO" address?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Martin,

Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 10:59:31 PM, Martin Schneider wrote:

>> Why does TB add a backward slash "\" before either a left parenthesis
>> "(" or right ")" parenthesis in the "TO" address?

>>"LastName, FirstName \(Other Info\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

MS> Well, actually the backslash is used to define the character
MS> afterwards that it is used as a character and not as a function.

Yes I know this from other programs that I've used, however I do find it
strange that the backslash has to be added when between quotes. This is
why I asked the question.

MS> I am not sure if the bracktes have a function in a mail address. But
MS> I guess it is made to be on the safe side with all mail-servers.

I guess so. Thanks!

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Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Onno Broekmans]

On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote:

LG> Try doing it manually. Reply to this, delete your sig, and type:

LG> -- 
LG> From Onno

LG> It should work fine provided you do a "-- " enter.

Hi Leif,

Well, hereby a message with a cutmark-test to see if it works when
doing it manually from the message editor. If it does, then perhaps I
should try to fix my template... Btw, any idea if setting a template
for a parent folder also sets that template for the folders in it? Or
if there's a quick way to apply one template to multiple folders
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disk space, was: Re[2]: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)

[Antje Lehmann]

Hi,

Deborah W wrote:

> & using up huge amounts of system resources in Eudora...) which I'm
> very glad I don't see in TB.

I did... before I found out about the maintenance feature I had loads
of MBs occupied by TB! without even knowing it was TB!... after the
first clean-up (purge old messages, remove deleted messages) I think I
had appr. 100 MB of disk space recovered. Now I do the maintenance
thing every once in a while, but I'm still wondering why exactly I
need to do that. Does that have to do with making deleted data
reversible, maybe?

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Re[2]: Passworrd Change

[Dirigo]

LG> Thursday, February 12, 2004, 10:55:14 AM, Lief (if I may) wrote:

LG> It was a post of mine dated 18 Dec 2003 on TBBETA with the
LG> subject of Password Vulnerability.

LG> Here's the URL you're looking for.

LG> http://www.password-crackers.com/crack3.html#thebat

Thanks Lief.  Dummy me ... I didn't think to do a search in TBBETA
archive.  Hhhh, maybe I'll join that list too!

Well, thanks again.

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Re: Passworrd Change

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Dirigo,

Thursday, February 12, 2004, 10:55:14 AM, you wrote:
D> Did you have any luck finding this program? I searched the TBUD
D> archives using "DeBat" as the argument and came up with a list of
D> messages that contained ...de/bat ... .de being part of a domain
D> name. No luck on a standalone program named DeBat though.

It was a post of mine dated 18 Dec 2003 on TBBETA with the
subject of Password Vulnerability.

Here's the URL you're looking for.

http://www.password-crackers.com/crack3.html#thebat


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Re[2]: Passworrd Change

[Dirigo]

dh> Hello bats,

dh> on Mon, 9. Feb 2004 at 08:45:35 -0800 Lynn wrote:

L>> I found the file, but no way really to tell what is the
L>> password, unless it's the encrypted string which follows
L>> the server configs .. ? And if I recklessly deleted those
L>> strings, do you know what would happen?

dAniel hAhler wrote:

dh> Dunno.. but someone posted sth to the lists about a program called
dh> DeBat, coded by HOG which can recover the account's password, IIRC.

dh> HTH to find it on google.

Lynn,

Did you have any luck finding this program?  I searched the TBUD
archives using "DeBat" as the argument and came up with a list of
messages that contained ...de/bat ... .de being part of a domain name.
No luck on a standalone program named DeBat though.

Searched using Google ... came up with a bunch of "debate" web sites,
poster sites, and multiple Danish web sites which I was not able to
interpret.  Oh well ...

If you did have any luck finding the program, I would appreciate you
letting me know where.

Thanks in advance.






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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Onno,

Thursday, February 12, 2004, 10:10:02 AM, you wrote:
OB> Well, perhaps I'm just talking gibberish... Never mind then :)

OB> Regards,

OB> --
OB> Onno Broekmans
OB> |Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OB> |Website:http://www.onnodb.com
OB> Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build  2600
OB> Service Pack 1


I don't know about that, as your cutline is obviously not working. If
you do that  correctly, the cutline will
work as advertised.

Try doing it manually. Reply to this, delete your sig, and type:

-- 
From Onno

It should work fine provided you do a "-- " enter.


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Re: attachment icon

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello rich,

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:43:50 -0500 GMT (12/02/2004, 12:43 +0700 GMT),
rich gregory wrote:

> I'll press the down arrow to go thru and preview the new mssgs then,
> when I get to the mssg w/ the attachment icon, it disappears, even
> though the message does indeed have an attachent and I can open it
> from the icon in the preview pane.

> Can anyone please tell me if this sounds familiar?

No, it doesn't sound familiar. Which TB version are you using?

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Cheers,
Thomas.

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Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Onno Broekmans]

On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote:

OB>> When entering a template's contents, TB seems to 'eat' the
OB>> trailing space after the two dashes. The same seems to happen in
OB>> the message editor. This seems to lead to bugs, like TB not
OB>> properly removing signatures etc.

LG> Hmmm. I haven't noticed that being a problem here. My Template for
LG> this list is as follows:

Hi Leif,

Well, perhaps I'm just talking gibberish... Never mind then :)

Regards,

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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Onno,

Thursday, February 12, 2004, 9:08:18 AM, you wrote:

OB> When entering a template's contents, TB seems to 'eat' the
OB> trailing space after the two dashes. The same seems to happen in
OB> the message editor. This seems to lead to bugs, like TB not
OB> properly removing signatures etc.

Hmmm. I haven't noticed that being a problem here. My Template for
this list is as follows:



Hello %TOFName,

  %Cursor


Tagline of the day:
%COOKIE="L:\Program Files\The Bat!\templates\Tags.txt"



-- 
Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user).

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%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION
Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB

%FROM=""
%FROM="Leif Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
%REPLYTO=""
%REPLYTO="Leif Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
%IF:"%TOLIST%CCLIST%BCCLIST"="":"%TO='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'"




Just for the heck of it, I'm going to reply to your post a second time
and use your signature to show it works fine.


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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Onno,

Thursday, February 12, 2004, 9:08:18 AM, you wrote:
OB> Well, there *was* a cut mark, was there? That reminds me of the
OB> little problem I have with The Bat!, so I'm posting this reply
OB> here. Not sure about it, just wondering if it's me or TB.


OB> Regards,

Please note, the below is not my real signature. I tested this with a
template to show it does work.

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Re: "\" before parenthesis on reply in "TO" address?

[Martin Schneider]

Hello Greg,

on Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 2:25:47 PM, Greg Strong wrote:

> Why does TB add a backward slash "\" before either a left parenthesis
> "(" or right ")" parenthesis in the "TO" address?

>"LastName, FirstName \(Other Info\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Well, actually the backslash is used to define the character
afterwards that it is used as a character and not as a function. I am
not sure if the bracktes have a function in a mail address. But I
guess it is made to be on the safe side with all mail-servers.

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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Onno Broekmans]

On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote:

AJ>> --
AJ>>  Cheers,
AJ>>   Allister

LG> Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
LG> of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
LG> This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
LG> the signature and list footers since everything below and including
LG> the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. 

Hello all,

Well, there *was* a cut mark, was there? That reminds me of the little
problem I have with The Bat!, so I'm posting this reply here. Not sure
about it, just wondering if it's me or TB.

When entering a template's contents, TB seems to 'eat' the trailing
space after the two dashes. The same seems to happen in the message
editor. This seems to lead to bugs, like TB not properly removing
signatures etc.

Regards,

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Re: cut-line RFC and client support

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Allister,

Sunday, February 8, 2004, 6:46:36 PM, you wrote:
AJ> Well, we all love a bit of circular logic! If you insist on it,
AJ> insist on it - there's reason enough without the above.

Nope, nothing circular about it. I purposely added another cutline
below my signature to simulate what would happen if we included it in
the list footer. When you reply, you'll have to remove my sig
manually.


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Re: Add to Address Book

[MAU]

Hello Allister,

> I thought this was simply a 'feature' of Windows?  i.e. the fact that
> there is only one active window ever by default.  I see an awful lot of
> apps that you have to click on first before actually doing any
> meaningful clicks.

As you have mentioned in another message, there are modal and non-modal
dialogs. It is up to the application developer to use one or de other
depending on the circumstances.

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Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)

[Wayne Howard]

Hello Deborah,

On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 4:03:36 AM, you wrote
re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s):

DW> I like TB's behaviour better myself. As Allie pointed out, it's very
DW> nice to be able to leave a folder & return to it & not have to find
DW> the message you were looking at before. I *much* prefer this to the
DW> way any of the other email clients I've used handles leaving/returning
DW> to a folder.

DW> I see you've found a resolution for your problem later in the
DW> thread - apparently the issue wasn't TB's behaviour but rather its
DW> option to purge & compress folders. I like being able to do that
DW> too (though I don't do it on exit).

It's working pretty well for me now, too! I had no idea that the
pointer was being deleted. I'm not sure when or how the Compress on
Exit feature got turned on (unless it is on by default). However, as I
mentioned to Allie, I'm not sure why that would change the last read
mail pointer. I have used many other databases where this is not the
case.

I can think back to the BBS days where all of my databases (on
Wildcat!) were compressed once a week as an automated event. If all of
my users lost their last read pointers, they would have been very
upset. (Looking back on it - another mail product with an exclamation
point in its name!) :)

By the way, looking back at my last several posts, one might think my
responses to you were antagonistic. I hope you did not take it that
way. That certainly was not my intent. I simply was trying to find a
solution - perhaps I was getting a bit frustrated trying to help
others understand what I was looking to do. This is not exactly what I
was looking for, but it now works pretty well for me. I don't need to
compress all the time - that's for sure.

-- 
Cheers!
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Possible bug: selective download filters

[Terry]

Hi all,

I have a selective download filter set to "Ignore" certain messages. I
assumed that meant that the messages would stay on the server until I
used the dispatcher to delete them. This isn't what is happening.

Here's what does seems to be happening (I'm using a test account
and sending messages to that account, so no other mail is
interfering.):

The messages are being filtered correctly. The log indicates the
presence of a message in the mailbox.

 2/12/2004, 11:36:12: FETCH - 1 messages in the mailbox, 0 new
 2/12/2004, 11:36:12: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received

On the next check, the log indicates that the message is still there.

 2/12/2004, 11:39:12: FETCH - 1 messages in the mailbox, 0 new

On the third check, the message is gone!

 2/12/2004, 11:42:11: FETCH - 0 messages in the mailbox, 0 new

I've used the mail dispatcher to look at the e-mail in various stages
without automatic checking. On first check, the e-mail is there with
only the read flag checked. On the second dispatcher check, the read
and *delete* flags are checked. *I wouldn't expect that the delete
flag would be checked.* By the third dispatcher check, of course, the
e-mail's been deleted because the flag was checked.

My settings on the account are to "Delete received messages from
server." Since these aren't received messages, I wouldn't expect them
to be deleted, whether through automatic checking or through the use
of the dispatcher.

I could, of course, use the "Keep messages on server" option. The
messages aren't removed, but then no messages are removed. That
defeats the purpose, IMHO, since the account I want to use the filter
on gets a large amount of e-mail daily and I don't want to wade
through all of the e-mail to find the ones that are ignored.

I've read the help files, but there's not much guidance there.  Is
this behavior some kind of bug, or is this by design?

I've also noticed that the results from the Selective Download filters
(whether set to kill or ignore) don't appear in the log. Is this
normal?

-- 
Regards,
Terry


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Re: Disembodied trash

[Stuart Hemming]

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AJ> I seem to now have a trash can outside of all my account folder trees.
It's for your common folders.

- --
Stuart

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Error: Government.SYS corrupted... Re-boot Parliament? (Y/Y).

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Re: Disembodied trash

[Allie Martin]

Terry, [T] wrote:

T> I've got one as well. I believe that it appeared when I added some
T> common folders. In fact, I think I deleted it once and it
T> reappeared. It's been a while, so my recollection is a bit fuzzy on
T> that one.

Yes. It's the common trash folder and will appear if you've started
using common folders and then delete messages from any of the common
folders to trash.

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Re[4]: Add to Address Book

[Terry]

Hi Allister,

> See my other post, but if you're into programming you'll come across the
> concept of a 'modal' dialog.  Such a dialog is *designed* to elicit a
> response from the user to exclusion of all else in the application.  It
> appears this concept is heavily misused - probably because it makes the
> programmer's life easier without users trying to click on things that
> would upset the dialog.

Thanks for the explanation. :) I appreciate it.

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Terry

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Account Logs - An FYI

[Terry]

Hi all,

A weird thing happened on my machine. I discovered it when I needed to
check the log on an account.

If I Ctrl+Shift+A on each account to view the account logs, three of
the accounts only displayed the logs up to a certain day, 1/24/04 at
8:59 in the morning. The other accounts are fine.

I checked the actual log files. For two of the accounts, all the data
was there but not being displayed. For one of the accounts, no new
data was added to the log file since 1/24. One of the logs looked like
it had some corrupt entries on 1/24, but it wasn't the one with no
data after 1/24. The other two didn't have any obvious evidence of
corruption. I also checked file permissions and whether the files had
somehow become read-only. Everything was fine.

I was not alerted to the problem until I needed the log file,
naturally. :) I do look at the log panel in the main window often, but
all that data was up to date, even for the account that was missing
data. I deleted all log files and now they all seem to be working
correctly. I'll definitely be checking the logs more often to make
sure that the files haven't become corrupted.

I just wanted to post a note here as to what a fix was in case someone
else runs into the problem. Most likely, I experienced some kind of
"event" on 1/24 that caused some file corruption. I have had a couple
of BSOD incidences due to a driver issue which I have since corrected.
It doesn't seem to me to be a TB! problem per se.

-- 
Regards,
Terry


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Re: Disembodied trash

[Terry]

Hi Allister,

> I seem to now have a trash can outside of all my account folder trees.
> I am not sure when it appeared, but I don't recall it always being
> there.  Is this a cross between a common folder and the trash?

I've got one as well.  I believe that it appeared when I added some common
folders.  In fact, I think I deleted it once and it reappeared.  It's
been a while, so my recollection is a bit fuzzy on that one.

-- 
Regards,
Terry

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Disembodied trash

[Allister Jenks]

Hi tbudl'ers,

I seem to now have a trash can outside of all my account folder trees.
I am not sure when it appeared, but I don't recall it always being
there.  Is this a cross between a common folder and the trash?

I checked every account and they all have their own trash folders.

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 Allister



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Re[3]: Add to Address Book

[Allister Jenks]

Hello Terry,

Friday, February 6, 2004, 9:49:28 AM, you wrote:

T> I just wonder why some windows lock the program and others don't.

See my other post, but if you're into programming you'll come across the
concept of a 'modal' dialog.  Such a dialog is *designed* to elicit a
response from the user to exclusion of all else in the application.  It
appears this concept is heavily misused - probably because it makes the
programmer's life easier without users trying to click on things that
would upset the dialog.

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Re[2]: Add to Address Book

[Allister Jenks]

Hello MAU,

Friday, February 6, 2004, 8:14:03 AM, you wrote:

M> No, you are not clueless. TB is a great program but what you have
M> described is one of its most stupid limitations. I have used TB for over
M> 2-3 years and the limitation has always been there. And you are not the
M> first (or second, or third, or... ) to complain about it.

I thought this was simply a 'feature' of Windows?  i.e. the fact that
there is only one active window ever by default.  I see an awful lot of
apps that you have to click on first before actually doing any
meaningful clicks.

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 Allister



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Re[2]: cut-line RFC and client support

[Allister Jenks]

Hello Leif,

Thursday, February 5, 2004, 7:50:46 AM, you wrote:

C>> It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and
C>> not the top.

LG> That is correct, and as Marck alluded to earlier in this thread, the
LG> reason we do not include the cut line in the list footer. If we did,
LG> then the poster's cut line wouldn't cut. Hence the reason we ask
LG> people to include a cut line in their posts.

Well, we all love a bit of circular logic!  If you insist on it, insist
on it - there's reason enough without the above.

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 Allister



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Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)

[Deborah W]

On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 7:30:54 PM, Wayne Howard wrote:

WH> You're still not getting it. I'm looking to have my inbox (and
WH> other folders) open to the new, previously unseen messages,
WH> starting with the oldest of these - while keeping the remaining
WH> messages in view. I'm not trying to purge or compress anything.
WH> This is normal behavior for every other mail reader I've seen.

I like TB's behaviour better myself. As Allie pointed out, it's very
nice to be able to leave a folder & return to it & not have to find
the message you were looking at before. I *much* prefer this to the
way any of the other email clients I've used handles leaving/returning
to a folder.

I see you've found a resolution for your problem later in the thread -
apparently the issue wasn't TB's behaviour but rather its option to
purge & compress folders. I like being able to do that too (though I
don't do it on exit).

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Re[3]: Attaching files to The Bat - filename not fully shown?

[Allister Jenks]

Hello Bill,

Wednesday, February 4, 2004, 5:20:42 AM, you wrote:

BBTE> "Hide extensions for known file types."

BBTE> The icons will differ, of course.

Not necessarily - which makes it worse.  I wonder could/would a virus
re-map the icons to its evil cause?

BBTE> It's probably a bad idea to send someone a file with a double
BBTE> extension, anyway, because double extensions are considered by
BBTE> many antivirus programs to be hostile.

Interesting.  I thought it was a good practice for things like zip files
for example.  i.e. mybook.doc.zip tells the true story at a glance.

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