Re: The Bat! Help files
Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 4:36:47 AM, Roelof wrote (amongst other stuff): RO Though I certainly wouldn't say that TB is the best documented program RO ever, I certainly can't blame RitLabs too much for the online help. Who else is going to provide it? Or are there people on this list that know the program better than those at RIT? RO Let's face it. What do you expect from a help file? It has to mention RO the features in the program, but it doesn't have to take you by the RO hand like one of those [EMAIL PROTECTED]@d MS wizards that take you almost to the RO place where you'd like to be and then leave you in the dark how to RO get at your final destination. I never said that most other software has brilliant help. I totally agree with your disdain for wizards. IMHO, the Microsofts of this world (and many of their blind followers) have made things worse, not better, by dumbing down their software. For example, I get tired of explaining the difference between connecting to the net and *using* the net. All I want is a help file that is (1) Comprehensive, (2) Consistent and (3) Structured. RO I like the company and I would miss the puzzles like 'what keeps my RO filter from functioning' I can't say that the presence or absence of RO this list would dictate my choice of software. Perhaps the tag-line should change slightly. Replace 'natural' with 'masochistic'. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: hot key for mark as junk- PLEASE
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004 @ 1:10:18 PM, Ben Allen wrote: [snips] Gary Should have a button though, or some preset key. I used Gary ctrl+j, which was park. I never use park, but thats just me. Gary Who doesn't use mark as junk at least 5 times a day? Ben Er.. me Me too, actually - SpamPal is terrific. I would like 'ignore thread' and 'watch thread' buttons/functions though :-) -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) I don't mind what Congress does, as long as they don't do it in the streets and frighten the horses. Victor Hugo Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files, including help with outsourced files
Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 1:41:36 AM, Mary wrote (amongst other stuff): MB I got The Bat! for its safety. Retired, with plenty of time, and MB somewhat paranoid, I look at each message separately on the Dispatcher MB and decide there whether to delete or download. Perhaps a little too paranoid in some eyes, but each to their own. But think about how much this capability alone could attract users if they could use at least the basic features with ease. AJ Yes, and the ambulance is waiting at the bottom of the cliff. MB LOL Where I used to work, this was a well-worn phrase. I'm glad others get some enjoyment out of it, as for me it is tired, if effective. MB What practical help could we offer the Programmers if they were to put MB a useable Help file on their list of priorities? MB I think, for one, a system of prioritization in the Help file. Perhaps MB a simple, Where Is It? category for wading through menus and MB short-cuts to a feature that TB! has in common with other e-mail MB clients. MB As a total newbie, I didn't even realize that I should poke about MB among drop-down menus and submenus. I went straight to the Help file, MB and Argh! :) MB It's not intuitive to look for settings under Account/Properties, for MB instance. Or wasn't for me. MB And so on. MB How would you, for instance, Allister, organize the Help file, if you MB were given the job? I'm not talking about programming code. Just what MB would make sense, as to Content and Index? I think the basic things to cover are: 1) Terms and concepts 2) Quick start 3) Detailed configuration 4) Coverage of ALL primary menus (not including pop-ups) 5) Editing (all editors) 6) Key topics (e.g. address book, templates, etc.) Coverage of pop-up menus should be in the context of where they appear. That's 60 seconds work off the top of my head. It's not that hard. MB Well--I'm putting this on tbot. Are you subscribed there? Hope you MB are. :) U. Alive and well on TBUDL (and no I'm not on TBOT). -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files
Hallo Allister, On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:36:08 +1200GMT (13-7-2004, 8:36 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AJ Perhaps the tag-line should change slightly. Replace 'natural' with AJ 'masochistic'. You've lost me here. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List ainctive?
Hallo Richard, On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:07:39 +0500GMT (13-7-2004, 3:07 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RHS I've received nothing for the past two days, which makes me think that RHS maybe my provider has blocked this address for some reason. (They've RHS blocked other lists' providers before.) My apologies for just checking RHS to see if this goes through. Believe me, there certainly has been flow. This message is being BCC'd to your own address. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: hot key for mark as junk- PLEASE
Hallo rich, On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:46:01 -0400GMT (13-7-2004, 4:46 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RG Will the [Mark as junk] item in the shortcuts editor work in RG conjunction with my SpamPal as a proxy? I don't think so, after all you've got to mark messages as junk in an external program, not in a plug-in. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files
Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 6:58:18 PM, Roelof wrote: RO Hallo Allister, RO On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:36:08 +1200GMT (13-7-2004, 8:36 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: AJ Perhaps the tag-line should change slightly. Replace 'natural' with AJ 'masochistic'. RO You've lost me here. At the head of The Bat!s product page: The Bat! - The Natural Email System -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: hot key for mark as junk- PLEASE
Hallo Gary, On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:23:54 -0700GMT (13-7-2004, 4:23 +0200, where I live), you wrote: GM Who doesn't use mark as junk at least 5 times a day? I don't. I don't use any spam filter at all, I don't get as much as five spams a week and yes, I've been on line for quite some time with my current addresses. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: hot key for mark as junk- PLEASE
Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 6:10:18 AM, Ben Allen wrote: Howdy Gary, Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 3:23:54 AM, Gary wrotened: Gary Should have a button though, or some preset key. I used Gary ctrl+j, which was park. I never use park, but thats just me. Gary Who doesn't use mark as junk at least 5 times a day? Er.. me me too. I use popfile, and have the X-POPFile-Link displayed in grey header-bar of the preview-pane (is that the right name), and click through that URL when I want to reclassify something. Tim -- Tim :Tim_Sharrock: Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files, including help with outsourced files [was Re: BayesIt]
Dear list, Mary said: MB Among my first complaints here, during the evaluation MB phase of my acquaintance with The Bat!, was that I MB could not understand the Help file. It will tell you MB what something does--ocasionally in words that mean MB something to a newcomer--but it never tells you MB *where* to find anything or *how* to use it in a way MB that the steps are easily followed. MB So, this list and the other TB! lists, plus MB tbot--those are your Help file. Which at least reduces the chances of being told to RTFM :-) -- Eric Using TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! Help files
On Monday, July 12, 2004, 7:32:07 PM, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RO Hallo jon, RO On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:04:18 -0400GMT (12-7-2004, 23:04 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: RO RO AJ Documentation is part of a product. RO That's an awkward way of quoting. Blame TB! jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files
Hallo jwayne, On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:33:06 -0400GMT (13-7-2004, 13:33 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO RO AJ Documentation is part of a product. RO That's an awkward way of quoting. J Blame TB! I suppose I could do that, but then again: You're the only one I've noticed using that kind of quoting, so it might be your settings/template and not TB itself that is at fault. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! Help files
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 7:53:22 AM, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RO Hallo jwayne, RO On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:33:06 -0400GMT (13-7-2004, 13:33 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: RO RO RO AJ Documentation is part of a product. RO RO That's an awkward way of quoting. RO J Blame TB! RO I suppose I could do that, but then again: You're the only one I've RO noticed using that kind of quoting, so it might be your RO settings/template and not TB itself that is at fault. = Here's my template: %Cursor On %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, %OFromName %OFromAddr wrote: %Quotes jon -- %FromAddr = Pretty standard. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files
Dear Jwayne, @13-Jul-2004, 08:34 -0400 (13-Jul 13:34 UK time) jwayne said to Roelof: ... snip RO RO That's an awkward way of quoting. RO J Blame TB! ... snip Here's my template: ... snip Now see: Options | Preferences | Viewer / Editor | Editor Preferences | General (common for all editors) | Quote name limit. and *set it to a sensible number*!!! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpUv6iREtLm9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Use of Color Group in Securebat 'freezes' secure flying mammal for 15 seconds
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I recently downloaded a copy of Securebat Lite to try it out, was pretty pleased with all mail/settings in that non-readable form, on HDD, but encountered some sort of freezing when I use Color Group option. Namely, it needs about 15 seconds to accept the color change, and for these 15 seconds, Secure TB simply doesn't work. Is this some known bug, or is possible to tweak it up somehow? - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :hammertroll: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA89oO9q62QPd3XuIRAvveAJ94aXrQXzqbDiOi3seL6Vb/JM+AbQCgmHIp v/FL+OnGOR2CIqzypA4Ia2A= =bWtN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files, including help with outsourced files
Hello Eric! On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 6:11 AM, you wrote: MB ... it [The Bat!'s Help File] never tells you *where* to find MB anything or *how* to use it in a way that the steps are easily MB followed. MB So, this list and the other TB! lists, plus tbot--those are your MB Help file. E Which at least reduces the chances of being told to RTFM :-) :rofl2: ROFLOL I had to ask Google to take me here, in order to understand that acronym: http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/r/RTFM.html QED: Google is adjunct Help File. Moving to tbot. If you are not already subscribed there, you can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :timemachine: -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Proposed TB! Help File Structure [was Re: The Bat! Help files ...]
Hello Allister! On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 1:47 AM, you wrote: AJ I think the basic things to cover are: AJ 1) Terms and concepts AJ 2) Quick start AJ 3) Detailed configuration AJ 4) Coverage of ALL primary menus (not including pop-ups) AJ 5) Editing (all editors) AJ 6) Key topics (e.g. address book, templates, etc.) I like it. AJ Coverage of pop-up menus should be in the context of where they appear. ACK. AJ That's 60 seconds work off the top of my head. It's not that hard. Come on over to tbot. You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're so swift, we can get the entire Help file re-done today. On tbot, I have a number of retired and semi-retired programmers who can help us write the code. (But I'm not sure how many of them can write Delphi.) On tbot I am Queen Trill :timemachine: and my wish is their command. We can do it, Allister. And then, we can put a Zip file on somebody's website, and Wallah to use Leif's word, every newbie who shows up here on tbudl--start that sentence over: We can send to every desperate newbie who shows up here, our customized adjunct Help file for The Bat! MB Well--I'm putting this on tbot. Are you subscribed there? Hope you MB are. :) AJ U. Alive and well on TBUDL (and no I'm not on TBOT). I could transport you there in my time machine :tm: . Or, you could just click here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files, including help with outsourced files [was Re: BayesIt]
Monday, July 12, 2004, 11:03:30 PM, Mary wrote: MB Hmm. I've been joking about the time machine :timemachine: but I MB wonder. Could our mails be lost in here: :tm: A job is never finished until the paperwork is done. :-D -- Regards, Plan9 :plan9: Two strings walk into a bar. The first string says to the bartender: Bartender, I'll have a beer. u.5n$x5t?*4ru!2[sACC~ErJ. The second string says: Pardon my friend, he isn't NULL terminated. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Time to Upgrade?
I'm still using v1.62 on both the desktop and notebook computers (in spite of having paid for the v.2 upgrade early on). Is TB! v 2.11.02 (the latest release version) stable? Are there any valid reasons to upgrade? (I have no intention of sending html mail). If so, is installing over v1.62 recommended, or would it be better to install v 2 to a separate directory? If the latter's the case, what's the best procedure for preserving my folders, filters and account data? TIA Douglas Hinds Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade?
Hallo Douglas, On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:01:09 -0500GMT (13-7-2004, 16:01 +0200, where I live), you wrote: DH Is TB! v 2.11.02 (the latest release version) stable? I'm using 2.11, but I haven't heard anything negative about 2.11.02 DH Are there any valid reasons to upgrade? (I have no intention of DH sending html mail). MTML, IMAP, smileys, Virtual Folders, etc DH If so, is installing over v1.62 recommended, Yes. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Fwd: creating new folders and deleting old folders)
LG Hello Cheryl, LG Monday, July 12, 2004, 11:09:51 AM, you wrote: Cheryl Thanks for getting back to me. This is being reported to me by Cheryl a user on a network and they are all reporting this. I called Cheryl the firm this morning and after her network tech was in, seems Cheryl all of the problems are fixed. Thank you again! LG moderator LG Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not LG just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have LG instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Cheryl. LG This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. LG Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your LG message and following it with all quoted text below, is not LG encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list LG because LG a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the LGtop of the message LG and LG b) It encourages excessive quoting. LG We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to LG which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, LG and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're LG responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each LG part separately and follow each part with your response. LG Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that LG you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much LG respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active LG members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being LG asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership LG here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group LG when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and LG understand. LG Thank you. LG /moderator Thanks for letting me know. I would like to resign from the discussion list. Can you tell me how? Thank you, Cheryl Lynn Abacus Customer Support -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML email (was: Re: Time to Upgrade?)
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004 @ 10:01:09 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote: [snips] Douglas Are there any valid reasons to upgrade? (I have no intention of Douglas sending html mail). I used to think that too, but there are times when it's incredibly useful to be able to do so. Example - I'm a sports journalist, and cover several different teams, etc. in my city. Being able to send an email off each Monday covering the coming week to my editors and associated entities, using a different colour for each team's event that I'm covering shows everybody - at a glance - what I'm covering on each day. (Well, what I'm PLANNING to cover...) Yes, I could just fire off a Word doc, but having it right in the email is a LOT easier, especially for referring back to it later. I use the HTML email very rarely, (although I'd probably use it a little more if the implementation wasn't so very basic), but it's a great thing when you need it. And I've got to say, with bandwidth increasing at the rate it is, HTML email isn't the scourge it once was. (All the usual caveats - used sensibly, etc) -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Multi-tasking - screwing everything up simultaneously. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?]
Hello Douglas! On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 9:01 AM, you wrote: DH Is TB! v 2.11.02 (the latest release version) stable? Yes. it is stable. I've been using it for several weeks now. There's one annoying bug, however, that shows for some people and not for others: The View settings are not conserved for folders. If you are reading in one folder and change to another, when you return to the first folder, the order of messages in the message list pane has changed. I have been switching back and forth between Received time and Created time as a means of refreshing the folder back to my preferred View setting. I have read on tbbeta that simply using the Virtual Folders capability avoids this problem. Also, I have read on tbbeta that the bug is now fixed, and with RC4 being tested, RitLabs is getting close to another full release. I'm planning to get that latest one within days of its availability, I am so annoyed by this folder-View-settings-not-conserved bug. However, not everyone has experienced this. And you might be among the lucky ones who do not. I've been too lazy to learn Virtual Folders. Everyone says they are a wonderful time-saver, however. Go get v. 2.11.02. If it's not good for you, roll back to v. 2.0.06. Both are much superior to v. 1.62, as far as my needs go. YMMV. (Your Mileage May Vary--am I turning into a Geek or what, Douglas? :) ) -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting
Dear Cheryl, @13-Jul-2004, 07:55 -0700 (13-Jul 15:55 UK time) Cheryl Lynn said to Leif: Cheryl Thanks for getting back to me. ... snip LG This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. ... snip Thanks for letting me know. I would like to resign from the discussion list. Can you tell me how? Simply send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface. Or use the Specials | Mailing list | Unsubscribe option. Or read the Welcome message you got when you joined the list. When leaving the list, don't forget to reply to the confirmation request from the list server. Your departure will not complete without it! So many ways! ;-). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpszfRJylhKb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Is there a way to delete an entire thread?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings All, Using the reference thread view, is there a way to delete an entire thread easily and quickly, with no or minimal confirmation? - -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA :usflag: Ecclesiastic Philosopher Teacher Critic Big Brother is watching - George Orwell (1984) - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.12 RC/4 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Surfing with MyIE2 Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall Ponder this: It is easy to be flexible when one is spineless. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQPQPjm2u7N+Qh+ieEQJWRwCeMza3/tpGahMYi2z5/sD280Nrw2cAmwS6 LyY6q3nrjTbPpSCYsAdAtXHJ =Xub2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there a way to delete an entire thread?
Hello Michael, Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 9:36:28 AM, you wrote: is there a way to delete an entire thread easily and quickly, with no or minimal confirmation? crtlshiftdel -- Thanks, Terry Using the Bat! 2.11.02 under Windows XP Service Pack 1 2600 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there a way to delete an entire thread?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Tue, 13 Jul 2004, at 09:36:28 -0700, @ @ when Michael L. Wilson wrote: Using the reference thread view, is there a way to delete an entire thread easily and quickly, with no or minimal confirmation? Just collapse the favorite thread, select its root and push Ctrl+Shift+Del. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA9BH99q62QPd3XuIRAn5pAJsEZSNgxN+dSPNs4Piako+MDCb6EgCfSPtc NMolYvFrvY84dLeG/zTgCgQ= =vbTk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
way to remove legend
hi, in every email i receive undernoted legend is tagged.. by the service provider.. is it possible to remove this from individual email in inbox Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB! 2.10.01 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 built 2195 legend as under : (variables are email id, date, time, sig. definition) -- Message was scanned and no virus found -- Email From [EMAIL PROTECTED] was security checked by 3.93 version of CxProtect(tm) On: sify_mta at: 17:01:31, 13-Jul-2004 Tuesday Engine: 4.110.21, sign.def:12-Jul-2004, sign2.def:12-Jul-2004, macro.def:12-Jul-2004 -- Detailed Virus Scanning Report is attached as CxPReport on 13Jul04 at 17-01-31.txt -- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Fwd: creating new folders and deleting old folders
Hello Cheryl, Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 12:09:51 AM, you wrote: CL Thanks for getting back to me. This is being reported to me by a user CL on a network and they are all reporting this. CL I called the firm this morning and after her network tech was in, CL seems all of the problems are fixed. CL Thank you again! You're welcome! I don't know how I helped, though. ;-) I'm sending this to your PM address too, as you said you would resign. Please stay here! -- Cheers, Thomas. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Is there a way to delete an entire thread?
Hello Mica, Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 9:46:54 AM, you wrote: Just collapse the favorite thread, select its root and push Ctrl+Shift+Del. No need to collapse the thread or be as its root for Ctrl+Shift+Del to delete thread. :-) -- Thanks, Terry Using the Bat! 2.11.02 under Windows XP Service Pack 1 2600 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Hello Mary, Mic Cullen, Roelof and others following this thread, In response to the reply Mary Bull sent on 13/07/2004 to my request regarding Time to Upgrade?] DH Is TB! v 2.11.02 (the latest release version) stable? MB Yes. it is stable. I've been using it for several weeks now. MB There's one annoying bug, however, that shows for some people MB and not for others: So it's both stable and unstable (that is, partially stable). MB The View settings are not conserved for folders. If you are MB reading in one folder and change to another, when you return to MB the first folder, the order of messages in the message list pane MB has changed. MB I have been switching back and forth between Received time and MB Created time as a means of refreshing the folder back to my MB preferred View setting. A pain ITA, IMO. MB I have read on tbbeta that simply using the Virtual Folders MB capability avoids this problem. Also, I have read on tbbeta that MB the bug is now fixed, and with RC4 being tested, The question is, how are the virtual folders implemented? It sounds like messages from several accounts can be viewed in the same window, al la Calypso (which has an account column). The question is, how are the messages to be included selected? In spite of what some TB! users (including a moderator friend) declare, there is no way to filter them accurately, IMO. I'd have to do it message by message, because: 1).- I have no way of anticipating the content or nature of some of the mail I am sent and therefore; 2).- My decisions are made on the fly, depending on what I find. Since I depend heavily on the Message Dispatcher, I'd prefer to select any mail I want put in the virtual window from there (just as I'd like to be able to flag and / or color mail from within the Message Dispatcher). Can any of that be done using v 2.x? MB *RitLabs is getting close to another full release.* So maybe I should wait a bit. MB I'm planning to get that latest one within days of its MB availability, ... MB However, not everyone has experienced this. ... MB I've been too lazy to learn Virtual Folders. In that case, you may not be the best person to ask to explain them to me. MB Everyone says they are a wonderful time-saver, however. I need to know more about them. All I can relate to at present is the virtual folder the Ticker (which I don't use) can create. Furthermore, most of the mail I receive is *never* read (which is why the Ticker doesn't serve my purpose - the volume of unread mail is too great). I use the Mail Dispatcher to Selectively Download as well as alert me to important incoming mail. For this reason, I don't need IMAP4 that much either and IAC, not all my account providers offer it. Despite Mic's example, I feel that adding html creation marks a detour from TB!'s original emphasis and the beginning of a wrong development path for TB! (which was motivated probably in order to cater to M$Express users in the USA, who are *not* oriented to TB!'s priorities, anyway. TB!'s principle competition / market consists of the apps used by by Eudora, Pegasus, Poco, Becky, PMMail and even Mozilla Messenger users - anyone *except* M$ addicts, IMO). MB Go get v. 2.11.02. If it's not good for you, roll back to v. MB 2.0.06. As I mentioned, I'm using v. 1.62, and no roll back is possible AFAIK, since the file format was changed - unless the original message files are saved, of course. At present, my prime motive for upgrading is that I have a corrupt TB! installment on my ThinkPad, due to a corrupt FAT32 Table in the Applications Partition have made me reinstall all of them in a slightly different manner (I lacked the original directory structure and installing a missing application can't be done), which resulted in AVG's plugin not working (virii aren't found until AVG's test is run, not while my email is downloaded, although very few get in anyway, because that's one of the things I check for when using the Mail Dispatcher - that's very easy if I select the size column). MB Both are much superior to v. 1.62, as far as my needs go. YMMV. (Your MB Mileage May Vary--am I turning into a Geek or what, Douglas? :) ) You are talking the talk. Now please explain in what way v 2.x is much superior to v. 1.62, in relation to your needs. What *are* your needs and how does v. 2 do a better job of meeting them? (This is an open question directed at any and all tbudlers who've gotten this far). TIA -- Douglas Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Smileys: Dropping support for PDSF2.MSL for Roguemoticons
Hello all, In order to clean up the code and get ready for not only the official release and GPL'ing it for use by others, I am dumping the code to create the PDSF2.MSL file. Basically, what a non-beta user will need to do now is as follows: 1. Download the .ZIP 2. Unzip the files into the TB images directory 3. Open the Rogues.MSL file and copy all the lines below (and including Type = Rogues). 4. Open your PDSF.MSL file 5. Delete all the Smiley= lines dealing with Roguemoticons (should be at the end if everyone has been doing it right up till now). 6. Paste what you cut from Rogues.MSL into PDSF.MSL. 7. Save and close 8. Do what you did before to refresh the smileys. So.. It should look kinda like this in your PDSF.MSL file (this is the default from RITLabs after I did the above steps): ; smiley on the button ButtonSmiley = ^^ ; info Name= PDSF Smiley Theme Author = PDSF Date= February 2004 Version = 1.0 Modified = 9Val, converted to gif by Valerye Bostan Smiley = .\smile.gif, 0, :) :-), smile Smiley = .\sad.gif, 0, :( :-(, sad . Snipped for brevity . Smiley = .\h2g2.gif, 0, h2g2 Smiley = .\42.gif, 0, :42: Type = Rogues Smiley = .\rogues\Paul_Cartwright.jpg, 0, :paulc: Smiley = .\rogues\Mary_Bull.jpg, 0, :Mary: . Snipped for brevity . Smiley = .\rogues\Gaijin_.jpg, 0, :gaijin: Smiley = .\rogues\Gudrun_von_Versen.jpg, 0, :gvv: -- Leif Gregory (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: If it works, tear it apart and find out why! Using The Bat! 2.12 RC/3 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Hello Douglas! On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 12:18 PM, you wrote: DH ... What *are* your needs and how does v. 2 do a better job of DH meeting them? Like you, I prefer to select my mails from the Mail Dispatcher. Don't know your other preferences, but I prefer to sort by Received time and view threads by None. I filter to five list folders. I filter to about half a dozen PM folders. All that works fine for me in v. 1.62. For some reason--I'm a very amateur user, with little knowledge and skills and not much native ability to acquire more--v. 2.xx loads about twice as fast for me. I use The Bat!'s back-up tool, and it backs up faster, also. I can't say for certain that it's the code in the new version doing that. I have one need you don't have which v. 2.xx meets: I want to use and see the Roguemoticons. This is only possible in v. 2.0.06 and higher. It's the reason I paid for the upgrade. The faster loads and backups were an unexpected bonus. But I *hate* the unstable folder View function. I'd roll back from v. 2.11.02 to v. 2.0.06, except the Smiley functions (a separate but related project to the Roguemoticons) are available only in 2.11.02 and in the subsequent betas. Note: I changed the subject line (which you changed back) to conform to the recently given Moderator request to make subject lines as specific as possible and to change the thread if there is a sharp veering of the topic under discussion within the thread. We talked about this once before on tbot. I had changed a subject line in order to conform to the informal consensus of tbotters that this should be done. You were, to say the least, quite vocally displeased. Now it is a formal requirement on the The Bat! moderated lists. Note regarding Virtual Folders, which you might like, as they let you read threads across folders without changing folders: I suggest that you make a complete new thread with a subject line something like: How Do Virtual Folders work? or How, told in simple steps, can I use Virtual Folders? There was a long thread on these when v. 2.xx first became available. But I doubt if you have time to search the archives and find the understandable and useable parts of it. Mostly it was Greek to me, as at the time I was still running v. 1.62. Sorry to be a PITA. But, it's your life, and you have to make your own decisions. I just try to offer information when I can, in memory of our many common interests outside The Bat! -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New spammer technique?
I've noticed spam, now, often contains several rows of meaningless, random words, like: annul cripple jacobean hater metric deal prophesy diversify final I assume this is an attempt to foil Bayesian spam filters like BayesIt. If Bayesian filters look for certain recurring words identified as common junk mail words to measure spamminess, it looks like including an abundance of non-junk mail words will allow this spammer technique to bypass the filter. Any training suggestions for BayesIt? -- Code 2 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.11.02 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 At a Music Store: Out to lunch. Bach at 12:30. Offenbach sooner. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there a way to delete an entire thread?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Tue, 13 Jul 2004, at 09:52:38 -0700, @ @ when Terry G. Munson wrote: Just collapse the favorite thread, select its root and push Ctrl+Shift+Del. No need to collapse the thread or be as its root for Ctrl+Shift+Del to delete thread. :-) Ah, even better! I didn't know that. Thanks, Terry. :-) - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA9Ct+9q62QPd3XuIRApHRAKCBRyQWBUks252LCbIvohRcUzv6UwCgjUuC NSy1EcwnGMsBQdFwvgiw/wk= =JByX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New spammer technique?
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Code posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to New spammer technique? : C2 Any training suggestions for BayesIt? IMHO, you don't need bayesit to defeat 99.9% of all spam. I rarely see a spam I don't use bayesit. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.12 RC/4/W2K_SP4 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New spammer technique?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], On 13 July 2004, 14:49 -0400 (19:49 local time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [JR] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C2 Any training suggestions for BayesIt? JR IMHO, you don't need bayesit to defeat 99.9% of all spam. I JR rarely see a spam I don't use bayesit. That was really helpful... I use BayesIt. My advise is to keep on using it and simply mark those messages as spam whenever they're missed. Soon enough it'll pick them up. - -- As ever, :Martin_Webster: Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.12 RC/4 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQPQ4zzknq5PWREYNEQKq2gCg8V4Mev3l67uYZG/ukWeHMkIPjtQAoPLV vpMks6Zg+375nPRUnpxZ6/lo =xG+C -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New spammer technique?
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 2:49 PM, you wrote: jrsn IMHO, you don't need bayesit to defeat 99.9% of all spam. I jrsn rarely see a spam I don't use bayesit. and the filter you use?? -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jun2004 (4.1.418) (avast! version number) 0429-0 (12.07.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.418 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New spammer technique?
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 12:49:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Code posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to New spammer technique? : C2 Any training suggestions for BayesIt? IMHO, you don't need bayesit to defeat 99.9% of all spam. I rarely see a spam I don't use bayesit. I gave up on BayesIt. It simply was not catching very much spam. I installed SpamBayes (http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/), which is written in python. It is not a plugin, but acts as a proxy. It has a nice web-based interface, and it is catching almost all the spam after three days of training. -- Jim McMaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpo8wPk7hpXY.pgp Description: PGP signature smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New spammer technique?
Hello Code, On 13 Jul 2004 at 11:44:25 -0700 GMT [20:44 CEST] you wrote: C2 I've noticed spam, now, often contains several rows of meaningless, C2 random words, like: C2 annul cripple jacobean hater metric deal prophesy diversify final C2 I assume this is an attempt to foil Bayesian spam filters like C2 BayesIt. Yes. It doesn't work though. C2 If Bayesian filters look for certain recurring words C2 identified as common junk mail words to measure spamminess, it looks C2 like including an abundance of non-junk mail words will allow this C2 spammer technique to bypass the filter. No. Spammers don't know how you legitimate mail looks like. The words they include probably never occured in your legitimate mail or at least where no markers for it. They will most likely have neutral spam probabilities. But there will still be words which mark the mail as spam. Bayesit can use that to recognize it. Even if by chance they include a word that has a very low spam properbility it will most likely not be enough for the spam to come through as legitimate mail. Those words may even become markers for spam because they appear only in those spams but not in your legitimate mails. C2 Any training suggestions for BayesIt? If bayesit misses a spam tell it. Over here it recognizes those mails just fine. -- Cheers, Andre :andre: I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Hello Douglas, On 13 Jul 2004 at 12:18:35 -0500 GMT [19:18 CEST] you wrote: DH The question is, how are the virtual folders implemented? It sounds DH like messages from several accounts can be viewed in the same DH window, al la Calypso (which has an account column). They are folders that contain links to messages. The messages aren't really in there but you can manipulate them as if they were. DH The question is, how are the messages to be included selected? Two ways. Using the search tool you can save a search as a vf. Or you can create vf and then define a filter for it. DH In DH spite of what some TB! users (including a moderator friend) declare, DH there is no way to filter them accurately, IMO. I'd have to do it DH message by message, because: 1).- I have no way of anticipating the DH content or nature of some of the mail I am sent and therefore; 2).- DH My decisions are made on the fly, depending on what I find. DH Since I depend heavily on the Message Dispatcher, I'd prefer to DH select any mail I want put in the virtual window from there (just as DH I'd like to be able to flag and / or color mail from within the DH Message Dispatcher). You can create virtual folders that look for flagged messages or parked ones or those that belong to a certain colour group. The moment you mark them they will appear in the vf. The only thing I use virtual folders for is mails I want to reply to. I just flag them when I think I want to do that. -- Cheers, Andre :andre: The government of the people, by the people, for the people. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Douglas Hinds, [DH] wrote: The question is, how are the virtual folders implemented? Create one. A folder appears. Go in the properties where you can define what's common to the messages that are to be displayed. There you can define strings and where they are pretty much as in filters. You then define which folders are to be 'watched' for matching messages. From there new matches are dynamically added as the real folders are watched. It sounds like messages from several accounts can be viewed in the same window, al la Calypso (which has an account column). Yes. The question is, how are the messages to be included selected? Through string searches and defined target folders. Since I depend heavily on the Message Dispatcher, I'd prefer to select any mail I want put in the virtual window from there (just as I'd like to be able to flag and / or color mail from within the Message Dispatcher). VF's cannot be used with the dispatcher. VF's work with messages that have already been downloaded to your real folders. MB *RitLabs is getting close to another full release.* So maybe I should wait a bit. :) Why??? Furthermore, most of the mail I receive is *never* read (which is why the Ticker doesn't serve my purpose - the volume of unread mail is too great). I use the Mail Dispatcher to Selectively Download as well as alert me to important incoming mail. For this reason, I don't need IMAP4 that much either and IAC, not all my account providers offer it. IMAP's strength is in managing the same e-mail account from multiple locations and PC's. When you move between PC's or IMAP clients all is as you left things on the other PC or in the other IMAP client. If you don't have need for this then you don't have need for IMAP. Despite Mic's example, I feel that adding html creation marks a detour from TB!'s original emphasis and the beginning of a wrong development path for TB! (which was motivated probably in order to cater to M$Express users in the USA, who are *not* oriented to TB!'s priorities, anyway. TB!'s principle competition / market consists of the apps used by by Eudora, Pegasus, Poco, Becky, PMMail and even Mozilla Messenger users - anyone *except* M$ addicts, IMO). Which all support HTML creation with the exception of probably Becky. You are talking the talk. Now please explain in what way v 2.x is much superior to v. 1.62, in relation to your needs. What *are* your needs and how does v. 2 do a better job of meeting them? (This is an open question directed at any and all tbudlers who've gotten this far). I wouldn't directly answer that question. But will give a response to your original question as well as this one. I genuinely suggest that you try TB! v2 and see for yourself. Stability is a very personal experience. Testimony to this is the miracle of your using a Win9x system and being Ok with its reliability. Same for Opera 3.x, I think. Those are two examples of the most unstable experiences of my computing life, and yet you don't have much problems with them and have more problems with what I personally find to be FAR better options. Additionally, I couldn't use Win9x or Opera 3.x because of the features I enjoy in WinXP and Opera 7. Same for TB! v1.6x vs v2.11. Our needs are clearly quite different and a testimony of what I find useful in TB! will very likely be followed by why you wouldn't find those same things useful. The dispatcher is a tool I never use and yet you find it indispensable. Finally, every TB! version has its problems and there'll be those who have their problems. Since you're one of those who seems to get on better with older versions of software, I'd be careful taking testimonies from v2 users that things are running great. There are those who enjoy each new release. There are those who have serious problems and those who have none. You really need to take it for a spin and see what it has to offer *you*. This roundabout way of finding out about it is odd and will likely not change anything much. -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgpUOxs3TvHjk.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! Help files, including help with outsourced files
Hello Mary, Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 2:17:32 PM, you wrote: MB I had to ask Google to take me here, in order to understand that MB acronym: So an acronym dictionary is needed, as in 40tude Dialog. When reading a message the acronym appears underlined and hovering over it brings up a comment showing the meaning stored. -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: acronyms [was Re: The Bat! Help files ...]
Hello Mike! On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 3:55 PM, you wrote: MB I had to ask Google to take me here, in order to understand that MB acronym: MeTB So an acronym dictionary is needed, as in 40tude Dialog. When reading a MeTB message the acronym appears underlined and hovering over MeTB it brings up a comment showing the meaning stored. Eric was already veering off-topic with that joking comment to me, to which I decided to reply, despite the obnoxious word I found, on the website Google sent me to, in the expanded meaning. Are you suggesting this as a feature to be added to The Bat! Or as something for me to download as an adjunct program? Either way, I think let's go to tbot. Thanks for writing. :) -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spaces After Periods
Is there any way to have Alt+L not change the spacing after periods from two to one? -- JN Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spaces After Periods
...not change the spacing after periods from two to one? Why? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to delete accounts?
Hi folks, Currently, I have three different e-mail accounts setup in The Bat! I want to eliminate one of the accounts but I can't find how to do it! Nothing within The Bat! seems to allow me to delete an account. I'm sure I must be wrong. What am I missing? TIA, Rick -- The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ballgame at Yankee Stadium. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to delete accounts?
I want to eliminate one of the accounts but I can't find how to do it! You're going to kick yourself! Highlight the account... Go to Toolbar... Click Account... Click Delete... ...does your shin hurt? :-) -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Which Anti-Spam (other than bayesit).
Hi fellow users, I've been using the bayesit plug-in for quite a few months now and it was seamless. But, things aren't so effective now and I've decided to potentially look elsewhere for my anti-spam solution. Programs I've looked at so far include (in not particular order); 1 - K9 2 - Mailwasher 3 - POPFile 4 - SpamAssassin 5 - SpamBayes I've seem most of them mentioned on here at various times and was after some user comments on how effective they are and how they perform/work. My requirements are as follows; 1 - Ideally, I'd like a plug-in as it's one less program to run, but this doesn't seem to be the case 2 - I'd like it to mark somewhere that the mail is suspected as SPAM so I can use TB! filtering to move the message 3 - Must support TLS connections 4 - Must be free :D Just as an additional though, I assume IMAP support is possible aswell? I've over 700 items of spam to train it with and plenty of good mail, so that shouldn't be an issue. Any other comments/feedback would be greatly received!(y) -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to delete accounts?
Hi Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 10:13:23 PM, Mike email (The Bat!) wrote: RF Hi folks, RF Currently, I have three different e-mail accounts setup in The Bat! I RF want to eliminate one of the accounts but I can't find how to do it! Select the account in the folder tree, then try AccountDelete...yes -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to delete accounts?
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 5:13 PM, you wrote: RF Currently, I have three different e-mail accounts setup in The Bat! I RF want to eliminate one of the accounts but I can't find how to do it! RF Nothing within The Bat! seems to allow me to delete an account. I'm RF sure I must be wrong. RF What am I missing? under the account menu , second item, delete. first item is NEW. -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jun2004 (4.1.418) (avast! version number) 0429-0 (12.07.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.418 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to delete accounts?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Rick, On 13 July 2004, 17:13 -0400 (22:13 local time) Rick Friedman [RF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RF Currently, I have three different e-mail accounts setup in The Bat! I RF want to eliminate one of the accounts but I can't find how to do it! RF Nothing within The Bat! seems to allow me to delete an account. I'm RF sure I must be wrong. RF What am I missing? Select the account in your account tree (the account name) and then use Account | Delete... You then have the option to retain the account files. - -- As ever, :Martin_Webster: Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.12 RC/4 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQPRSnjknq5PWREYNEQL5iQCfbNNos235KjnVrmsxUZGJev0+PCMAn0pj RV5VYxkvwNcZ6G/LaJ7a9WTD =ife5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which Anti-Spam (other than bayesit).
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cannot find a quick template TidySub Hello Chris, On Tuesday, July 13, 2004 , at 22:19:27[GMT +0100](which was 2:19 PM where I live) you wrote (at least in part): CW 1 - Ideally, I'd like a plug-in as it's one less program to run, but this CW doesn't seem to be the case CW 2 - I'd like it to mark somewhere that the mail is suspected as SPAM so CW I can use TB! filtering to move the message CW 3 - Must support TLS connections CW 4 - Must be free :D CW Just as an additional though, I assume IMAP support is possible aswell? CW I've over 700 items of spam to train it with and plenty of good mail, so CW that shouldn't be an issue. CW Any other comments/feedback would be greatly received!(y) It has got to be SpamPal. Free and everything you say, except not a plug-in. - -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA :usflag: Ecclesiastic Philosopher Teacher Critic If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. - - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.12 RC/4 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQPRTHW2u7N+Qh+ieEQKsXACgy7jt2qfQ039xBR65wMHd/+jRHecAnRxE EAROpNuDF6B5upobkX6UYPfI =5zfQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: way to remove legend
Hallo royminoo, On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:36:16 +0500GMT (13-7-2004, 18:36 +0200, where I live), you wrote: R in every email i receive undernoted legend is tagged.. R by the service provider.. That's odd behaviour for an ISP. After all you're not paying them for altering your mail. R is it possible to remove this from individual email in inbox No TB won't alter incoming mail -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: hot key for mark as junk- PLEASE
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:07:35 +0200, Roelof Otten wrote: GM Who doesn't use mark as junk at least 5 times a day? I don't. Me neither. Spampal takes care of the junk marking all by itself. I don't use any spam filter at all, I don't get as much as five spams a week and yes, I've been on line for quite some time with my current addresses. I have used (and still use) real mail addresses on usenet. Before my provider took care of it, my Spamfilter caught around 200 Spam mails on average days and around 300 on peak days. IMO provider side filtering is _the_ future of Spam control. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which Anti-Spam (other than bayesit).
Hi Chris, On Tuesday, July 13, 2004 22:19 our local time, Chris Weaven [CW] wrote; CW My requirements are as follows; CW 1 - Ideally, I'd like a plug-in as it's one less program to run, but this CW doesn't seem to be the case CW 2 - I'd like it to mark somewhere that the mail is suspected as SPAM so CW I can use TB! filtering to move the message CW 3 - Must support TLS connections CW 4 - Must be free :D CW Just as an additional though, I assume IMAP support is possible aswell? Forgot to add; 5 - Require support multiple account for both IMAP POP. I'm not really bothered by previewing mail on the server, I just want something that once set-up, run's quietly and effectively with minimum fuss. (y) -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Which Anti-Spam (other than bayesit).
Hi Michael, On Tuesday, July 13, 2004 14:24 your local time, which was 22:24 my local time, Michael Wilson [MLW] wrote; CW 3 - Must support TLS connections MLW It has got to be SpamPal. Free and everything you say, except not a MLW plug-in. Looks good, but requires something such as stunnel (as suggested by spampal) to connect using TLS. Umm, another added program and another potential loop for error. I'll take a look though and appreciate your suggestion! :D -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
spell checker - three usage questions / difficulties
Hi I cannot work out a couple of things about using the spell checker. Firstly, how do you abort the spell-check but still send the message. If I press cancel, the spell-checking is cancelled but so is sending the message. The only way round this I've found so far is menu Spell checker uncheck the option to check before send/queue and then press send again. Surely I have missed something? Secondly, pressing add when the spell-checker fails to recognise a word has no effect. The word continues to be picked up as a possible mistake. How do I make this work? Thirdly, I have British English selected as my language but spell-checker seems to suggest a mix of UK and US spellings. For example, British colour not American color. American-style -ize endings on words instead of the British -ise ending. Co-operative with the hyphen(UK-style) or without (US). Is this a feature of the dictionary used and If so can I import a better third-party version? Or is it likely to be something wrong with my setup? My spell-checker options are Automatic checking Check before send Language 2. British English Options case sensitive typographical suggestions auto-correct moderately fast and accurate TIA for any help -- Best regards, Mike mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files, including help with outsourced files
Hello Mike, When reading a message the acronym appears underlined and hovering over it brings up a comment showing the meaning stored. The e-mail client I used for 7 years before changing to TB had that feature. Very useful indeed. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.03 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spaces After Periods
Hi Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 10:12:14 PM, Mike email (The Bat!) wrote: ...not change the spacing after periods from two to one? aacu Why? In generations gone by the standard was three spaces after a full stop and two after a comma but just one space seems to be the norm these days. -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to delete accounts?
Thanks to all who pointed out how to delete an account. My actual problem was that I was signed in using a group which did not have administrator rights. The group was a normal user group which, apparently, did not have the ability to delete accounts. Once I signed on using a group with administrator rights, the Account-Delete option appeared on the menu. Again, thanks to all! Rick -- The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ballgame at Yankee Stadium. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: acronyms [was Re: The Bat! Help files ...]
Hi Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 10:07:51 PM, Mary Bull wrote: MB Are you suggesting this as a feature to be added to The Bat! Or as MB something for me to download as an adjunct program? A feature to be added but not a serious one. It works well in 40tude Dialog (which is primarily a news reader but also does email). -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Hello Allie, Andre, Mary and others following this thread, Thanks to all those who've take the time to respond. BTW, is *anyone+ else still using TB! v 1.x? In response to the message Allie Martin sent on 13/07/2004 regarding Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?]) DH The question is, how are the virtual folders implemented? AM Create one. A folder appears. I had to quit downloading v.2. ReGet wouldn't let me download my mail. I'll do it tonight. AM Go in the properties where you can define what's common to the AM messages that are to be displayed. There you can define strings and AM where they are pretty much as in filters. AM You then define which folders are to be 'watched' for matching AM messages. AM From there new matches are dynamically added as the real folders are AM watched. Andre mentioned using it for the messages he wants to reply to. That sounds like the process is agile enough to set them up easily, for temporary use. It also sounds like there ought to be a toggle (flag or menu choice) created specifically for that purpose. It sounds like messages from several accounts can be viewed in the same window, a la Calypso (which has an account column). AM Yes. The question is, how are the messages to be included selected? AM Through string searches and defined target folders. Since I depend heavily on the Message Dispatcher, I'd prefer to select any mail I want put in the virtual window from there (just as I'd like to be able to flag and / or color mail from within the Message Dispatcher). AM VF's cannot be used with the dispatcher. VF's work with messages that AM have already been downloaded to your real folders. That was a suggestion (which was why I copied it to Stef). MB *RitLabs is getting close to another full release.* So maybe I should wait a bit. AM :) Why??? Because 1).- RitLabs is getting close to another full release (Mary said); and 2).- She also mentioned an irritating bug that might not be present in the coming version. Furthermore, most of the mail I receive is *never* read (which is why the Ticker doesn't serve my purpose - the volume of unread mail is too great). I use the Mail Dispatcher to Selectively Download as well as alert me to important incoming mail. For this reason, I don't need IMAP4 that much either and IAC, not all my account providers offer it. AM IMAP's strength is in managing the same e-mail account from multiple AM locations and PC's. When you move between PC's or IMAP clients all is AM as you left things on the other PC or in the other IMAP client. Good point. Using IMAP, the computers at cyber cafes could be used (w/o TB!, however). I am using two computers, one of which is portable and only deletes spam, while the desktop deletes the rest a week after their date. Also, IMAP means storing messages on the server and most of my accounts are free and therefore have limited server space, so storing them on two computers means more space and an automatic backup. Lastly, prodigy.net.mx has 3000 nodes in Mexico, plus access to the 800 in the USA (Telmex's owner bought Sears in Mexico, and Sears owns or owned Prodigy), so I can access the internet from almost any phone using the TP. AM If you don't have need for this then you don't have need for AM IMAP. Despite Mic's example, I feel that adding html creation marks a detour from TB!'s original emphasis and the beginning of a wrong development path for TB! (which was motivated probably in order to cater to M$Express users in the USA, who are *not* oriented to TB!'s priorities, anyway. TB!'s principle competition / market consists of the apps used by by Eudora, Pegasus, Poco, Becky, PMMail and even Mozilla Messenger users - anyone *except* M$ addicts, IMO). AM Which all support HTML creation with the exception of probably Becky. I don't even consider using any of them. The only back up email app I have installed is Foxmail (a good client, for a free mailer), and it's been a year or more since I've used it. You are talking the talk. Now please explain in what way v 2.x is much superior to v. 1.62, in relation to your needs. What *are* your needs and how does v. 2 do a better job of meeting them? (This is an open question directed at any and all tbudlers who've gotten this far). AM I wouldn't directly answer that question. But will give a response to AM your original question as well as this one. AM I genuinely suggest that you try TB! v2 and see for yourself. AM Stability is a very personal experience. We all operate under different conditions, with different hardware, different software and internet accesses. AM Testimony to this is the miracle of your using a Win9x system AM and being Ok with its reliability. Both of my computers run WinXP (one Pro, one Home). The first OS I used was OS/2 v 2.1, a better windows than windows, a better dos than dos, now used only by banks. AM Same for Opera
Re[2]: The Bat! Help files
Hi Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 1:38:27 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Now see: Options | Preferences | Viewer / Editor | Editor MDP Preferences | General (common for all editors) | Quote name MDP limit. MDP and *set it to a sensible number*!!! Default seems to be 20. What would you view as sensible? -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files
Dear Mike, @13-Jul-2004, 23:19 Mike email (The Bat!) said: MDP Now see: Options | Preferences | Viewer / Editor | Editor MDP Preferences | General (common for all editors) | Quote name MDP limit. MDP and *set it to a sensible number*!!! Default seems to be 20. What would you view as sensible? Something other than the 0 or 1 setting used by jwayne! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpCRf0r6k1nY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Douglas Hinds, [DH] wrote: AM From there new matches are dynamically added as the real folders are AM watched. Andre mentioned using it for the messages he wants to reply to. I do the same. I created a colour group for replies. I then created a VF which will list all messages unreplied to and which have the 'for reply' colour group. So when I wish to mark a message for reply later on, I assign it the reply colour group. Since it's unreplied to it appears in the VF. When I reply to the message, it loses it's unreplied to status and therefore disappears from the VF. So maybe I should wait a bit. AM :) Why??? Because 1).- RitLabs is getting close to another full release (Mary said); Since the v1 to v2 step, Ritlabs has always been close to full releases. The next will be out shortly. :) and 2).- She also mentioned an irritating bug that might not be present in the coming version. One irritating bug tends to replace another. The question is how much do these bugs mean to you. What I'm trying to say is that there's no sense waiting. There are many using the current incarnation of v2 for serious work and without significant problems. The only reason I'd suggest waiting for the next full release before trying v2 would be for IMAP. It has undergone a lot of improvements since its debut in v2's initial offerings. AM Which all support HTML creation with the exception of probably Becky. AM Stability is a very personal experience. We all operate under different conditions, with different hardware, different software and internet accesses. Exactly. So the only way to know if TB! v2 will be stable for you is to actually try it. Features are another thing, but again there's only so much one can get out of a description of them. Both of my computers run WinXP (one Pro, one Home). Fabulous. Since when? :) The first OS I used was OS/2 v 2.1, a better windows than windows, a better dos than dos, now used only by banks. I lasted a couple months with Win95 and moved to OS/2 Warp. I agree wholeheartedly. OS/2 v2.1 was FAR better than Windows 3.1 and Warp 34 better than Win9x/ME and also NT4 in some respects. However, OS/2 stagnated while the others progressed. It's now a relic. :) The kind of mail you get allows you to systematize / automatize your mail to a greater extent. Also, your work may emphasize or require repetitive ways of doing certain tasks, where I need to innovate. I don't think it's the different type of mail but the difference in how we work and choose to approach mail management. -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgp858aBjdHB5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: way to remove legend
maybe it is not the ISP but the mail server which puts a tagline like this, can some delete action in the content of the email ,is available under TB whereby by setting up a suitable sorting set. R in every email i receive undernoted legend is tagged.. R by the service provider.. That's odd behaviour for an ISP. After all you're not paying them for altering your mail. R is it possible to remove this from individual email in inbox No TB won't alter incoming mail Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bug Report: Unable to parse PayPal.com spoofed message with Mimail virus
Hello: I get these messages containing the Mimail virus (I-Worm/Mimail.J according to AVG) supposedly from PayPal.com (but obviously spoofed!) and TB has a hard time parsing them correctly. In fact, by some reason it sets the *ENTIRE* message text (headers, body and all) as a single string in the From line. By consequence, AVG cannot scan the message (because to TB its one single header line, no body or attachments) and not even the Selective Download filter (or any other filter for that matter) works on it. All I get is the message(s) in my inbox with a huge From header and no body. Once in a while TB will choke while downloading these messages and crash -- well, not exactly crash; it goes into some infinite loop with 100% CPU utilization, and my computer won't respond to anything, so I end up hitting the reset button. At those times, I've even tried letting it be for a while to see if it eventually finishes, but a couple of hours later its obvious its just burning up my CPU with no apparent progress. I end up telneting into the POP3 server and deleting the message by hand before starting up TB again. AFAIK, no other mail client has problems with these messages. I've tried Eudora Pro 5.x, Mozilla.org's ThunderBird, Opera's M2, and even mutt, and they all download the faulty messages fine without a problem -- even the times when TB has choked with them. It has been happening to me since TB v1.63, and I keep on upgrading hoping that it is a bug that has been fixed, but no dice :( Below is a sample of the headers of one of these messages: HEADERS Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from localhost (ca-buenaprk-cuda1-c8a-104.anhmca.adelphia.net [24.55.222.104]) by mail.mailsystem.caribe.net (Vircom SMTPRS 3.1.300.0) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 29 May 2004 00:26:56 -0400 From: PayPal.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 1 (High) Subject: IMPORTANT isoiawef MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=--B940B23A000BC2F B940B23A000BC2F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit /HEADERS Here are a few facts that might help diagnose the problem: 1. When viewing the source of the message in TB, the headers are parsed correctly (i.e. they are bolded as they should) 2. The message list, as well as the message preview, show the entire message text (headers, body and all) as the From header. No other header or body are shown. 3. When exported as a UNIX mailbox, the From delimiter line at the top contains some text from the headers and every single line of the message body, devoid of whitespace, in place of the envelope's sender address, for example: (This is one single line) ENVELOPE FROM HEADER From [EMAIL PROTECTED], text/plain, 7bitDearPayPalmember, Weregrettoinformyouthatyouraccountisabouttobeexpiredinnextfivebusinessdays.Toavoidsuspensionofyouraccountyouhavetoreactivateitbyprovidinguswithyourpersonalinformation!SNIP! Sat May 29 08:33:58 2004 /ENVELOPE FROM HEADER 4. If I remove all this crud from the From line, and just keep the e-mail address followed by the RFC822 date, and re-import the message, TB will parse it correctly and immediately AVG will detect the virus. This obviously points to the parsing of the headers originally, when retrieved from the POP3 server, as the culprit. I haven't been able to find a specific common denominator in these messages that triggers the problem, nor have I been able to find any distinguishing features that causes TB to choke on some of them. Anybody else has had this problem? Is there a work around? I can provide a full copy of a sample message if necessary. TIA -dZ. -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.10.03, Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New spammer technique?
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] stated: C I've noticed spam, now, often contains several rows of meaningless, C random words, like: C annul cripple jacobean hater metric deal prophesy diversify final C I assume this is an attempt to foil Bayesian spam filters like C BayesIt. Actually they are coded in the HTML for a webpage. That way scan engines will pick them up and add the page to their index. The (lazy) spammers are actually sending you the webpage, sometimes with the HTML coding stripped out. -- Cheers Yall \\' Mary had a little lamb -- The doctor was very surprised. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Hello Mary and others following this thread, In response to the message Mary Bull sent on 13/07/2004 regarding Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?]) DH ... What *are* your needs and how does v. 2 do a better job of DH meeting them? MB Like you, I prefer to select my mails from the Mail Dispatcher. MB Don't know your other preferences, but I prefer to sort by Received MB time and view threads by None. We coincide there too. I use a three panel vertical partition spit, with no main tool bar, just the configuration tool bar, on the left; and use both the American English and Spanish dictionaries. MB I filter to five list folders. I filter to about half a dozen PM MB folders. I counted 300 folders on an earlier installation, when I had 17 working accounts. MB All that works fine for me in v. 1.62. MB For some reason--I'm a very amateur user, with little knowledge MB and skills and not much native ability to acquire more--v. 2.xx MB loads about twice as fast for me. I use The Bat!'s back-up tool, MB and it backs up faster, also. I can't say for certain that it's MB the code in the new version doing that. That's good to know. MB I have one need you don't have which v. 2.xx meets: I want to MB use and see the Roguemoticons. This is only possible in v. MB 2.0.06 and higher. It's the reason I paid for the upgrade. The MB faster loads and backups were an unexpected bonus. Photos for the address book, I assume. (It's harder to check recent headers when hundreds of posts care the subject header and most are full of chit chat). MB But I *hate* the unstable folder View function. I'd roll back MB from v. 2.11.02 to v. 2.0.06, except the Smiley functions (a MB separate but related project to the Roguemoticons) are available MB only in 2.11.02 and in the subsequent betas. These are undoubtedly Moldavian terms g. MB Note: I changed the subject line (which you changed back) to MB conform to the recently given Moderator request to make subject MB lines as specific as possible My interpretation of that is different than yours. AFAIC, the theme hasn't changed. The thread remains: Whether or not it's time to upgrade from v. 1.62, which depends on the differences that exist between that version and the current release, as well as the existence or absence of bugs remaining in v. 2.11.02, and nothing else has been discussed. Furthermore, my post asked for responses, all of which I am reading. Rather than look for them within the mass of posts on other subjects, I selected the subject column. MB and to change the thread if there is a sharp veering of the MB topic under discussion within the thread. That hasn't happened. MB We talked about this once before on tbot. I had changed a MB subject line in order to conform to the informal consensus of MB tbotters that this should be done. You consulted with others before doing that, did you? MB You were, to say the least, quite vocally displeased. Not particularly. I simply changed it back, for the reasons stated above. MB Now it is a formal requirement on the The Bat! moderated lists. AFAIC, the subject hasn't changed. MB Note regarding Virtual Folders, which you might like, as they MB let you read threads across folders without changing folders: MB I suggest that you make a complete new thread with a subject line MB something like: How Do Virtual Folders work? or How, told in simple MB steps, can I use Virtual Folders? MB There was a long thread on these when v. 2.xx first became available. MB But I doubt if you have time to search the archives and find the MB understandable and useable parts of it. I see no point in fragmenting this thread. We are not discussing food, nor motor vehicles, nor vacation spots or even, running TB! under Linux. We are discussing v. 2.11.02 as compared to v. 1.62, both of which are on the RitLabs download page. MB Mostly it was Greek to me, I spent a month in Greece and understand a bit of it (a comment which doesn't change this thread). MB as at the time I was still running v. 1.62. MB Sorry to be a PITA. I don't say that. I referred to the bug you described. MB But, it's your life, I know. MB and you have to make your own decisions. And I decided to post and ask what I asked, so here we are. MB I just try to offer information when I can, in memory of our many MB common interests outside The Bat! Yes, Mary. Thank you for your helpful remarks. Also, it was nice to hear from again. BTW - Mexico is 2-1 with Ecuador at the moment, having beaten Argentina in a soccer game held a couple of days ago. Our women's team won over Australia the next day. (And please don't change the subject of any response to this post to a soccer thread unless no reference at all is made to TB! v. 2.11.02). -- Douglas Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! v. 2.12, full release is out
Hello fellow tbudl subscribers! I am subscribed to RitLabs' mailing list. I went off to play with my cats for awhile and when I came back, this from the mailing list was in my In-Box, with the subject line: The Bat!. Version 2.12 released So all of us, including Douglas Hinds if he so chooses, can now enjoy the fruits of the Bat Team! and its beta testers' latest efforts. Here's a copy-and-paste of the mailing list announcement: Begin Copy-and-Paste__ The Bat!. Version 2.12 Date: 16 Jul 2004. -- What's new in The Bat! 2.12? [ Legend: ] [ + Added feature] [ * Improved/changed feature ] [ - Bug fixed (we hope) ] [+] GUI: header pane shows photo for sender presented in AddressBook [+] Improved AntiVirus (BAV) API to pass original attachment name to the scanner in Unicode [+] MicroEd: Ctrl+Del deletes word on the right [+] Support of multiple .msl files located in images directory [*] IMAP Requests queue Connection Center [*] Compress Folders also defragments message base and index files (.TBB and .TBI) on NTFS volumes [*] IMAP synchro progress in IMAP requests [*] Usability improved in the Sorting Office window: for the input fields with accompanying buttons, Enter emulates first button click, Cltr+Enter is used for the second button (if any); tab stops set more correctly now. [-] Mark stored junk mail as read checkbox enabled status wasn't dynamically updated when checking Move a message to the Junk folder if the score is greater than [-] (#0001010) Connection Center was always bringing TB! main window on the top after it's finished [-] (#0001146) When searching on LDAP server which was returning empty entries for user certificates, error messages were popping up for each addressee. [-] (#0002744) AB's File|New message using template commands were using AB entry's personal template if any. [-] (#0002792) AB header titles were not changed immediately upon language switch [-] (#0003079) IP address was provided in non-literal form in the SMTP's EHLO/HELO command [-] (#0003083) X-Mail-Chat: Yes header was added to all automatically created messages [-] (#0003085) Sometimes content of letter in virtual folders not displaying in prewiew pane [-] (#0003132) Filtering by AGE did not work [-] (#0003161) Mark the mail in common VF as Junk leads to common junk mail folder [-] (#0003206) TheBat! asks for a password, when you change the account in editor [-] (#0003230) The hint of Menu Navigator is blank [-] Ctrl+Alt+Shift+T Reloads images from .msl files [-] Ctrl+Shift+R Show/Hides Connection Centre [-] Exchange : Attachment names with national characters were incorrectly encoded when sending messages via Exchange protocol [-] Exchange : Some Exchange-related fixes [-] Group box captions didn't paint with correct charset with XP Themes. [-] HTML Editor: 'Insert table' font [-] HTML Editor and status-bar autospell check [-] HTML Spell-check caused AV [-] IMAP Trash used incorrect image [-] IMAP: (#0002290) Autosynchronisation doesn't lead to sub-folders being synchronised [-] IMAP: (#0003172) subfolder not synchronized automatically [-] IMAP: (#0003196) Funky message list pane and message pane refresh [-] IMAP: (#0002383) INBOX can be set as pre-defined Outbox, Sent and Trash too [-] IMAP: AV on some filters on local Outbox [-] IMAP: Changing remote Outbox/Trash/Sent doesn't need program restart [-] IMAP: Moving messages has some problems (may be it caused problems in deletion and in filtering) [-] IMAP: better work with remote Outbox at Courier IMAP server [-] IMAP: doesn't send message if other requests (sync, list) are before and IMAP Outbox used [-] IMAP: filtering to local folders was not working [-] IMAP: filtering ignored queue [-] IMAP: filter by kludge AV Error [-] IMAP: incorrect message number in Sync and Download Requests [-] IMAP: search results were not sorted [-] IMAP: sometimes synchronization of new messages cleared all folder cache [-] Incorrect copy from source window [-] It wasn't possible to save attachments which had directory component in their filenames. [-] MicroEd: Spell check language in status-bar popup menu [-] SMTP/TLS+dedicated port workaround for servers that do not accept data blocks larger than 2KB. [-] Sort order arrow in the message header was reversed. [-] Spell check language in status-bar [-] (#0002903) Switching between text/html viewer form Main Menu/View/Use plain viewer (or from viewer popup menu) [-] VFs : SecureBat - Crash when marking a folder read while it is assigned to a virtual folder [-] some other cosmetic fixes Thank you for your choice! You can get more information on our site: http://www.ritlabs.com -- RITLABS Team! __ End Copy-and-Paste from mailing list letter I'm going to take a deep breath and go get it! :scuba:
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Hello Douglas! On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 7:50 PM, you wrote: DH These are undoubtedly Moldavian terms g. No. PCWSmileys are a feature that Leif had the help of 9Val to work out, and I was among a half dozen or so early beta testers on them, which soon mushroomed to many dozens, as the interest in using these increased--most of the use being on tbot. The term Roguemoticon is from Dierk, who offered it as the name for the new pictures for use in signatures that Leif also wrote the code for, based on 9Val's original Smiley code, as I understand it. The RitLabs programmers have now modified that code such that the Roguemoticons appear (as a user's option) in the headers. MB Note: I changed the subject line (which you changed back) to MB conform to the recently given Moderator request to make subject MB lines as specific as possible Allie had recently (just yesterday) reprimanded a friend of mine on this list for just such a catch-all subject as yours, when the discussion turned to a specific part. I was addressing a specific part, an annoying folder view settings behavior, that I understood, from reading the tbbeta list, had been cured in a beta release. Full release v. 2.12 has just been announced as out this evening. You might like to go to the RitLabs site and read about it. -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Hello Allie and others following this thread, In response to the message Allie Martin sent on 13/07/2004 regarding Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?]) AM From there new matches are dynamically added as the real AM folders are watched. Andre mentioned using it for the messages he wants to reply to. AM I do the same. I created a colour group for replies. AM I then created a VF which will list all messages unreplied to and AM which have the 'for reply' colour group. So when I wish to mark a AM message for reply later on, I assign it the reply colour group. Since AM it's unreplied to it appears in the VF. When I reply to the message, AM it loses it's unreplied to status and therefore disappears from the AM VF. Very good. I intend to do that also. (I _would_ like to be able to assign a color to a message from within the Message Dispatcher, however). So maybe I should wait a bit. AM :) Why??? Because 1).- RitLabs is getting close to another full release (Mary said); AM Since the v1 to v2 step, Ritlabs has always been close to full AM releases. The next will be out shortly. :) and 2).- She also mentioned an irritating bug that might not be present in the coming version. AM One irritating bug tends to replace another. The question is how AM much do these bugs mean to you. AM What I'm trying to say is that there's no sense waiting. There AM are many using the current incarnation of v2 for serious work AM and without significant problems. All right, I'll try it. AM The only reason I'd suggest waiting for the next full release before AM trying v2 would be for IMAP. It has undergone a lot of improvements AM since its debut in v2's initial offerings. I can still upgrade again when it is issued. AM Which all support HTML creation with the exception of probably AM Becky. AM Stability is a very personal experience. We all operate under different conditions, with different hardware, different software and internet accesses. AM Exactly. So the only way to know if TB! v2 will be stable for you is AM to actually try it. When I began using TB! 1.35 (on a IBM Value Point 486 upgraded to an Evergreen AMD P133 3 small hard disks which I almost never turned off over 8 years), *nothing* except TB! would run smoothly. AM Features are another thing, but again there's only so much one can get AM out of a description of them. I'm hearing experiences. Both of my computers run WinXP (one Pro, one Home). AM Fabulous. Since when? :) A couple of years ago (2002). The first OS I used was OS/2 v 2.1, a better windows than windows, a better dos than dos, now used only by banks. AM I lasted a couple months with Win95 and moved to OS/2 Warp. Warp began with v. 3, then moved to 4 and sat there, forever. AM I agree wholeheartedly. OS/2 v2.1 was FAR better than Windows 3.1 and AM Warp 34 better than Win9x/ME and also NT4 in some respects. However, AM OS/2 stagnated while the others progressed. It's now a relic. :) It had 10 million users, at one time (but win95 had 90 million). IBM couldn't compete with M$'s promises. M$ managed to keep windows users on the line (and rebooting constantly) until they were finally able to duplicate the functions OS/2 already had, years earlier. Another factor driving M$ was making sure their new versions weren't compatible with OS/2. BG and GWB have a lot in common. While M$ was supposed to be developing OS/2 for IBM, it was getting it's own dos shell out the door instead. The kind of mail you get allows you to systematize / automatize your mail to a greater extent. Also, your work may emphasize or require repetitive ways of doing certain tasks, where I need to innovate. AM I don't think it's the different type of mail How many Sustainable Development, Alternative Agriculture, Co-op, GeneWatch and Political News lists do you subscribe to? You must get more biomed literature, though; and more things that need a reply. AM but the difference in how we work and choose to approach mail AM management. I have always taken your recommendations seriously, which is not to say I'm in the same situation. -- Douglas Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Character Line Limit
Hello, I have some friends who send me long emails and don't believe in formatting or hitting enter to separate paragraphs. I think I've found a bug in The Bat! where it seems to truncate lines that are longer than 1,010 characters. I cut and paste the text into a couple of text counters that I found online to get that number. In addition, I left the mail messages that get truncated in my POP mailbox and I used pine to read them and they appear just fine (no truncation). Has anyone else seen this behavior? Should I file a bug? -- Thanks! -MikeD Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Spaces After Periods
Howdy Mike, Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 10:59:28 PM, Mike wrotened: Mike In generations gone by the standard was three spaces after a full stop and Mike two after a comma but just one space seems to be the norm these days. I always thought it was two after a full stop, and one everywhere else. -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Rohop: crashing The Bat! v2.12 RC/4 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 If you want breakfast in bed, sleep in the kitchen! Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some questions
Hello all! On Saturday, July 10, 2004 (11:11:13 PM) I wrote: [2.] I have some quick templates under account. Some of them have unchecked option Use for New messages/Mass mailing but are still visible in Utilities | Insert Quick templates submenu of Edit Mail Message editor, why? In mass mailing submenu (address book) the are not visible - as expected. Now, I'm using the latest stable version :) But symptoms the are still the same :/ -- With best regards, Jakub Moycho The Bat! 2.12.00 with BayesIt! 0.5.5 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
