Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Alexander S. Kunz]

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:29:15 +0200, Mica Mijatovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

Okay, it's about money. I could write some 5-6 KB on this topic,
This is not about money, this is about the quality of the
software, is that SO hard to understand?
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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

rich gregory writes:

> Some of the "users" I "support" tend to not want, care or be able to
> understand anything remotely like "best practices". They include
> several stages of youth and the elderly. Some are quite arrogant and
> purposefully flaunt bad habits without regard to the dangers.

Then they will get what they deserve.

> Some of these people, who will of course get infected just to see what
> happens, share with mom the only computer in the house.

Shared computers are never a good idea.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Melissa Reese writes:

> ...I have mixed feelings if a small caveat is not appended. While
> *never opening any attachments* will indeed keep one "relatively
> safer" than if one were to *never* open any attachment, if the
> admonition to not open *any* attachment is taken too literally, the
> usefulness of the Internet in this respect can be somewhat diminished
> for the end user.

In practice, I open messages with F10 in TB in order to examine the
original text of the message if they are marked as containing
attachments.  If it is clear that none of the attachments contain
executable code, then I'll open the message normally.  I won't open
anything that can contain executable code.  That includes Flash
animations.  I'll open still photos, plain text files, and a few others
that I know to be safe, and nothing else; everything else I delete from
the message in order to recover the space.  I'm sure I've missed many
cute animations of dancing babies and dogs and self-transforming
Volkswagens and so on.

I have only Microsoft viewers installed on my machine, so I can open
Word documents and the like, because the viewers can't run macros.

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Re[2]: Anti Virus S/W

[Paul Berger]

...

AJ> Let me see.the three pieces of software that have most often caused
AJ> me stife are:
...
AJ> 2. The Bat! (still my grouping does not work.)
...

  Have you asked the List about grouping? The list has helped me over
  the years.



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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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I'll chop just tiny bit of this message in this moment, since I am
pretty asleep, will have to plunge into my bed, and to dream something
nice, by chance, if it turned to be a dreaming night, which sometimes
happens, and sometimes not, almost.

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 3 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 00:57:11 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

1)

> This perhaps leads to a meta discussion about the different types and
> motivations of free software, and it was not my intention to lead the
> discussion into that direction.

> My intention was only to state a bold "be aware" when talking about
> free-of-cost antivirus programs. since in that context, I found no free
> software that serves the purpose well enough; and another "be aware" seeing
> how easily people recommend this or that program, just because they like it
> - and this personal liking often goes beyond functionality and/or reason.

Okay, it's about money. I could write some 5-6 KB on this topic,
probably on TBOT, these days, but be warned -- this theme is even much
more "taboo" than a *hot*, hot sex(uality)!

It might hurt someone's feelings, since it's about a false sense of
personal "security" some people "derive" from having/spending money.

2)

> Hope you had a nice ride. :-)

Oh, I had! (-: It was a wet, a bit foggy night, with tiny tiny rain,
almost as a water dust, so fresh and sappy air, and enough dark along
the rivers. (Which smelt so good! Danube is pretty high here so the
first level of quay is under water completely, with lots of trees and
fern.) Chilly frosty and sharp night, just as I needed then. But had to
go back somewhat "prematurely" since I got hungry suddenly and had spent
my olives too fast.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Arjan de Groot]

On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:47:23 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

>> If you don't open attachments, and you configure your browser
>> to disallow active content, and you block all incoming ports
>> that are a potential security risk (you can essentially block
>> _all_ ports on a PC that is used only as a client machine),
>> you can be safe, with or without an A/V product

> You really believe this, do you?

I do. I've been using personal computers for almost 20 years
now and never needed any protection against virusses, trojans or
whatever, whatsoever.

When TB! got plug-in support I installed AVG though. That was
funny and more or less informative while it lasted. But in the
end I got fed up with the incessant Swen.A  and Netsky.Q
notifications and uninstalled AVG.

> Ever heard of the average "Joe User"? :-)

Yes. Poor Average Joe User. Buys Norton Antivirus in a shop and
believes he's safe...


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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Melissa Reese]

Hi,

On Sunday, April 03, 2005, at 2:16:42 PM PST, I wrote:

> While *never opening any attachments* will indeed keep one
> "relatively safer" than if one were to *never* open any attachment,

Oops! That didn't turn out as intended. I should have written
something like...

> While *never opening any attachments* will indeed keep one
> "relatively safer" than if one were to open any attachments,

Sorry about that! :-)

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Melissa Reese]

Hi Alexander,

On Sunday, April 03, 2005, at 1:47:23 PM PST, you wrote:

>> If you don't open attachments, and you configure your browser to
>> disallow active content, and you block all incoming ports that are
>> a potential security risk (you can essentially block _all_ ports on
>> a PC that is used only as a client machine), you can be safe, with
>> or without an A/V product

> You really believe this, do you? Ever heard of the average "Joe
> User"? :-)

Do you excuse a bad driver just because they might not know what a red
light means? Or do you feel it's the driver's responsibility to keep
themselves informed of such potentially useful (indeed, essential)
bits of knowledge?

In the greater scheme of things, it really doesn't matter what one
chooses to believe.  What matters is learning how to use the tools we
choose to use.

It is unfortunate that we have to be so concerned with various
security and privacy issues, but since these tools (PCs with their OSs
and other software) are not entirely safe and/or secure *out of the
box* with regards to what might come in to them, invited or not, from
the Internet, I still *believe* that there's no real substitute for a
bit of end user education.

No amount of protective software will eliminate the necessity to learn
something that is necessary to learn. Since our lack of knowledge and
vigilance *can*, and obviously *does* affect others in negative ways,
being willing to learn a thing or two is not just for your own
benefit, but for the benefit of others as well. In that sense, it is
our *responsibility* to learn how to most effectively and "safely" use
these tools we insist upon using.

As far as Anthony's one particular comment above goes...

>> If you don't open attachments,

...I have mixed feelings if a small caveat is not appended. While
*never opening any attachments* will indeed keep one "relatively
safer" than if one were to *never* open any attachment, if the
admonition to not open *any* attachment is taken too literally, the
usefulness of the Internet in this respect can be somewhat diminished
for the end user.

I send and receive "attachments" all the time, and it *can* be a very
convenient *and safe* way to obtain and share various types of files.
Again, the "safe" exchange of attached files of any sort depends upon
how much a person is willing to learn about the potential dangers of
opening certain types of files; whether they be attached to an email
or downloaded in some other way.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Alexander S. Kunz writes:

> You really believe this, do you?

Yes.  As I've said, it has worked for me for many years.

>  Ever heard of the average "Joe User"?

Yes.  So?

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else,

on 03-Apr-2005 at 22:38 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote:

> If you don't open attachments, and you configure your browser to
> disallow active content, and you block all incoming ports that are a
> potential security risk (you can essentially block _all_ ports on a PC
> that is used only as a client machine), you can be safe, with or without
> an A/V product

You really believe this, do you? Ever heard of the average "Joe User"? :-)

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Melissa Reese writes:

> The one thing that's getting very little mention here is the concept
> of "careful practices" above and beyond any particular choice of AV/AT
> and other types of "protective" software.

I've mentioned it.

Antivirus products, generally speaking, are inferior substitutes for
safe computing practices.  You can avoid virus infections without
antivirus products through careful computing practices, but you cannot
completely avoid virus infections through the use of A/V products if you
don't practice safe computing as well.  A/V products can give a false
sense of security, and they can mess up your system as well.

The only threats that truly justify automated protections are those
involving bugs in the software of which you are not aware.  This is the
principle behind use of a firewall.  If your system is properly
configured, you theoretically don't need a firewall; but if your OS
contains bugs, it's possible that an adversary might compromise your
system through legitimate channels by taking advantage of the bug.
Ideally, you can just shut all ports on your PC that are open to the
world, and prevent this.  But some operating systems leave certain ports
open, and you have no choice in the matter (Windows does this for a
handful of ports).  Then you need a firewall.  The firewall should
preferably be separate hardware, since a firewall in your PC may be no
more reliable than the OS on which it is running.

> This involves a multi-layered approach involving the careful selection
> of software (email/news clients, browsers, etc.), "safe"
> configurations of said software, and enough sense to know what not to
> click on, download, etc. regardless of what any AV/AT software might
> or might not have to say about it.

If you don't open attachments, and you configure your browser to
disallow active content, and you block all incoming ports that are a
potential security risk (you can essentially block _all_ ports on a PC
that is used only as a client machine), you can be safe, with or without
an A/V product.

> What the situation really "demands" is a bit of end user education,
> and there's just no way around it; regardless of how many bits of
> AV/AT software someone might want to run concurrently (or even having
> only one running on-access and the other just being available for
> on-demand scanning).

Yes.  Conversely, with enough user education, you don't need the A/V
software at all.

> If someone is either very determined to infect their machine, or
> simply clueless in the realm of prevention, even the "best" AV/AT
> software can eventually let something slip by.

Yes.  And in the absence of OS bugs, and in the face of a prudent user,
even the most determined virus cannot enter a system.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Melissa Reese]

Hi Rich,

On Sunday, April 03, 2005, at 9:25:09 AM PST, you wrote:

> NOW, A QUESTION:
> Is anyone here running more than one A/V product on their PCs?

> It has always been a no-no to do this but the threats out there and
> the coverage any one product may be able to protect against almost
> seem to demand it!

The one thing that's getting very little mention here is the concept
of "careful practices" above and beyond any particular choice of AV/AT
and other types of "protective" software. This involves a
multi-layered approach involving the careful selection of software
(email/news clients, browsers, etc.), "safe" configurations of said
software, and enough sense to know what not to click on, download,
etc. regardless of what any AV/AT software might or might not have to
say about it.

What the situation really "demands" is a bit of end user education,
and there's just no way around it; regardless of how many bits of
AV/AT software someone might want to run concurrently (or even having
only one running on-access and the other just being available for
on-demand scanning).

If someone is either very determined to infect their machine, or
simply clueless in the realm of prevention, even the "best" AV/AT
software can eventually let something slip by.

> I am considering running side by side nod32 & AVG...

At best, that's useless overkill in my view (I also still have
questions as to AVG's overall quality). As far as *anti-virus* goes,
NOD32 alone should be enough (see again my comments above concerning
"careful practices"). Trojans are another issue, and even with a great
AV like NOD32, I still feel a little better running BOClean alongside
(these two do not conflict, as they work on different levels, and in
different ways).

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Jernej Simoncic & everyone else,

on 03-Apr-2005 at 11:05 you (Jernej Simoncic) wrote:

> My experience: during the two latest worm outbreaks (Bagle.AZ and something
> else), AVG Free detected the virus several hours before Trend Micro, NAV and
> Panda have.

Here's a chart of reaction times for the outbreaks of Bagle.BB thru .BD:

http://www.pcwelt.de/news/sicherheit/104653/ (german only, but thats not
important for the time charts) on the pages 2,3,4.

The interesting part, at least for me, is that some scanners (BitDefender,
Sophos and partly F-Prot) recognized the virus without updates.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

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Hi Alexander,

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:25:53 +0200 (2:25 PM here), Alexander S. Kunz
[ASK] wrote in :

ASK> A good virus scanner is only one part of a complete security
ASK> strategy, and you named a couple of very good additional programs
ASK> (and conception) that I use myself, too. :-)

I'm sure there are some other useful security related program that I
haven't heard of. I'm always interested in that type of thing. I
suppose we should move this to TBOT. To keep on topic, I consider The
Bat! another important part of the overall security scheme.

>> While its true you often get what you pay for, I think a reasonable
>> defence can be built for free. Not all AV programs are effective
>> for intercepting spyware.

ASK> You are of course right. Currently, dealing with ad- and spyware
ASK> requires separate programs (Mica: free programs, oh yes ;-).

I can appreciate those living on a fixed income and I'm thankful that
there are free programs that can be utilized.

ASK> I can imagine that more and more AV program vendors will include
ASK> complete spyware removal into their products in the future,
ASK> because ad- and spyware becomes more and more "virus" (or trojan)
ASK> like.

This seems to be the trend. The various threats are beginning to blend
together. Already some of the "Suites" are already attempting to do
this. Their cost is fairly significant and then there's the annual
renewal fees.

ASK> For anyone who's interested, there's a nice set of articles by
ASK> Tom Liston of ISC that describes the problem:

Thanks ... I visited the links and tried the bad boy link. No spyware
was installed, so what I have must be working.

>> Most of us spend a fair amount of money on our hardware and
>> Internet access. Buying a decent AV package should be part of the
>> process. Yes, you can do it for free, but is it worth the risk?

ASK> I rest my case. :-)

I think these types of discussions help elevate awareness of both the
problems and the solutions.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Mica Mijatovic & everyone else,

on 03-Apr-2005 at 14:43 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote:

> Let's be a bit more...reasonable

Whatever you say Mica, it will be right for sure.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 3 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 11:39:02 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else,

> on 03-Apr-2005 at 11:16 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote:

>>> Nonsense.

>> It has worked flawlessly for me for many years.

> That doesn't mean it will work for everyone else.

 |~~|
 | *Nothing* works in same way "for everyone else". (-: |
 |~~|

That's the point of all this recent segment of the thread.

There is a certain "chemistry" between a software and a human being, as
there is a "chemistry" between two humans.

One might have a *jewel* in his/her hands, but if s/he is taking some
*external* "authority" to "verify" her/his *own personal* experience,
then s/he is simply lost, since is not using own personal capabilities
to estimate the value of it, the jewel, when it is -- in her/his *own*
hands! (-: The jewel will *not* ray the same values in different hands.

That's the reason why is good to just "introduce" some "pair", *if* we
think/feel, they will "go well together". That is, to say some
*elementary* words about some software, and not indulge in a fantasy
what *you* would do, or feel, if you would "possess" it/him/her. (-;

You know, it is a bit..."perverse", in the "other", not very "pleasant",
sense of this word; a bit..."inappropriately obtrusive". (-;


DISCLAIMER:

And...if someone even *try* to see even a *shadow* of the thought, of
how is that above a "nonsense", or a "ridiculous rat" -- think again,
and at least 36 times, before you expose in a most vulnerable way to my
"tiny" cannon overfull by silvery. (-:

*This* missive, connected with my initial one
, especially with its part
talking about "objective" "testing" in a compulsive "business"
(buy-sell) environment, will give the basic elements of a perfect
navigation in the world of software, but wider too, since it relates to
our tendencies to "redirect" our emotions to software, and other
*things*, instead to allow them to flow naturally; which is the reason
why a man would love his car much more than his wife, (-; and why a
woman would be in love with the money much rather than with her hubby.
(-; *There*, why emotions erupt when a talk about software escalates,
and why these estimations are then so fallible.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 3 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 12:28:06 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Jeff Gaines & everyone else,

> on 01-Apr-2005 at 12:05 you (Jeff Gaines) wrote:

>> Has anybody any recommendations for an effective A/V product that will
>> work unobtrusively in the background and check my incoming email?

> Very interesting comparisons can be found on the "comparative" section of
> http://www.av-comparatives.org

> The November 2004 retrospective scanning is very interesting, they tested
> various scanners with completely outdated virus signature files (from
> August 2004) against 8 new in-the-wild viruses|virii|virae (sp?), NOD32 is
> the only one with 100% detection rate - they have a very good
> heuristic/generic scan engine.

If you need some *external* "authority" to "affirm" your very personal
"face-to-fact" experience (or even your *existence* itself! (-: ), then
wouldn't be bad to check out for instance who was nominated, by an
Authority of Nobel's prize(s) in last 10, 20, or even 30 years
(especially "for peace"), when the "global" system of values has began
its severe decomposition. (-:

If *that* is so "reliable", what to say about "authorities" in the
sphere of software.  And especially regarding "security" and
"privacy".

No, and *no*, I do not say that here mentioned NOD32 is a "bad" or not
so good! (My personal experiences with it are excellent.) I just say
that an "external authority" is *not* enough, especially in the areas
where a "big money" is flowing around. Let's be a bit more...reasonable.

There is no guarantees that even a very good software, becoming
"popular", and enough "renowned", will not become "something else"
pretty soon, if there are "enough reasons" for this. Influence of money
and external (especially "corporate") "authority" to human mind,
shouldn't be underestimated.

My intention is here to say: let's try to be our own "navigators", "our
own light", in situations when so many false ones are present. Because,
we *are* capable for this! (-:

And, in some way, we are even *obliged* to do so...

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Alexander S. Kunz writes:

> That doesn't mean it will work for everyone else.

They do have to be diligent, yes.

But antivirus software doesn't work for everyone, either, and it can
cause lots of problems, as well as inducing a false sense of security.

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Re: Changes to the TB Lists

[Mic Cullen]

At 10:21 [GMT+0200] on Saturday April 2 (actual time - 4:21pm on Saturday in
Perth, Western Australia), you wrote:

>> But hang on - is not the limit of April Fools midday on the day in
>> question?

Mica> April Fools day is like a wave. It starts at zero point, in Greenwich,

No, It starts in the Pacific - Greenwich is the middle of the day as it moves
around the globe.

Mica> then circumvents entire globe making the world fool,

No, it circles the globe, not circumvents it :-)

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cheers, mic

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else,

on 03-Apr-2005 at 10:13 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote:

> If you don't open attachments, have a firewall, and don't run active
> content on your browser, you won't be infected by viruses and the like,
> with or without antivirus software.

Sidenote, about that active content thing...

"Browsing the Web and Reading E-mail Safely as an Administrator"
http://msdn.microsoft.com/security/securecode/columns/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dncode/html/secure11152004.asp

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 Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981)

Professor Goddard does not know the relation between action and reaction
and the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react.
He seems to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in high schools. --
1921 New York Times editorial about Robert Goddard's revolutionary rocket
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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Jeff Gaines & everyone else,

on 01-Apr-2005 at 12:05 you (Jeff Gaines) wrote:

> Has anybody any recommendations for an effective A/V product that will
> work unobtrusively in the background and check my incoming email?

Very interesting comparisons can be found on the "comparative" section of
http://www.av-comparatives.org

The November 2004 retrospective scanning is very interesting, they tested
various scanners with completely outdated virus signature files (from
August 2004) against 8 new in-the-wild viruses|virii|virae (sp?), NOD32 is
the only one with 100% detection rate - they have a very good
heuristic/generic scan engine.

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 Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981)

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the
right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else,

on 03-Apr-2005 at 11:16 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote:

>> Nonsense.

> It has worked flawlessly for me for many years.

That doesn't mean it will work for everyone else.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Alexander S. Kunz writes:

> Nonsense.

It has worked flawlessly for me for many years.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Jernej Simoncic]

On Sunday, April 3, 2005, 0:57:11, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> My intention was only to state a bold "be aware" when talking about
> free-of-cost antivirus programs. since in that context, I found no free
> software that serves the purpose well enough; and another "be aware" seeing
> how easily people recommend this or that program, just because they like it
> - and this personal liking often goes beyond functionality and/or reason.

My experience: during the two latest worm outbreaks (Bagle.AZ and something
else), AVG Free detected the virus several hours before Trend Micro, NAV and
Panda have.

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Nothing matters very much, and few things matter at all.
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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Allister Jenks & everyone else,

on 03-Apr-2005 at 03:29 you (Allister Jenks) wrote:

> I think there is also considerable "risk" in placing any weight behind
> "payware" being of better quality because you have to pay for it.

I never meant to say that.

> I realise you said the first two factors do not include cost, but
> subsequent statements have been negatory on the "free" bit.

I am using a lot of free software. I just don't divide them into categories
(like, whether its free because the vendor wants to advertise a full
version this way, or if its done out of enthusiasm by individuals to serve
the purpose that a free software that does this and that should exist). If
a software does its job good for me, I use it (and pay for it), its that
simple. :-)

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In the society of men the truth resides now less in what things are
than in what they are not. -- R. D. Laing



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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else,

on 03-Apr-2005 at 10:13 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote:

> If you don't open attachments, have a firewall, and don't run active
> content on your browser, you won't be infected by viruses and the like,
> with or without antivirus software.

Nonsense.

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Time is Nature's way of making sure that everything doesn't go wrong
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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Kevin Coates writes:

> Most of us spend a fair amount of money on our hardware and Internet
> access. Buying a decent AV package should be part of the process. Yes,
> you can do it for free, but is it worth the risk?

If you don't open attachments, have a firewall, and don't run active
content on your browser, you won't be infected by viruses and the like,
with or without antivirus software.

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